Author Topic: Olde Eynsford and the 44-77 (Read 15976 times)

Ranch 13 · « **on:** June 03, 2013, 09:45:53 AM »

Did some shooting with Olde E in the 44-77 yesterday and it's starting to show some real accuracy potential.
Also got some chrono readings, with 76 grs of 1.5 and a 477 gr paper patched bullet , velocity is running just a touch over 1300 fps.
Using 74 grs of 2f and a 410 gr patched bullet velocity is running right at 1370 fps.
With the 1.5 loads I had to wipe two damp and 1 dry patch. Using the same bullet 477 gr bullet with 2f only needed to wipe 1 damp and 1 dry. Did not chrono those 2f loads as the 1.5 is winning the accuracy contest, and as such I wanted to make sure it would make the standards for the nationals at Raton.
The 410 gr bullet is a dual diameter bullet, the nose is about .004 smaller than the base, so with it I am able to run off a string of about a dozen rounds using only a blowtube and not loosing any accuracy even at 800 yds.
Olde E is turning out to be a pretty good powder.

Oregon Bill · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2013, 07:23:13 AM »

Ranch: That does indeed sound promising. Good on you for running a .44-77!

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:24:47 AM »

Been having a blast

with the 44-77. Great little cartridge, altho it hasn't held up at 1000 yds as well as I would like in competition, it's sure good to 800.
Just got my #3 back from Shiloh with it's brand new 44-77 barrel. Planning on burning the first rounds thru it sometime this morning. then after I've confirmed the sights, and make sure it's liking the same thing as the other rifle we'll be thinking about going elk tippin.
I'm not sure this gun will ever see a greasegroove bullet in it's chamber.

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Blackpowder Burn · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:25:46 AM »

That's encouraging news. I'm starting to work with Olde E and it is also showing promise in my guns. I hope to get a range session next week with my two Marlins (38-55 and 45-70) and my C Sharps 45-70. I've been waiting a couple of weeks to get my new Magnetospeed chronograph, and got news Friday it has shipped. Should make for an interesting day at the range.

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:38:29 AM »

2f Olde E will be your friend in all those cartridges. Plus it'll make your CAS guns sizzle and shoot so very clean.
I shot the midrange matches at the Rocky Mtn Regional and the Nationals with paper patch loads that need no more fouling control than a brush to make sure there's no paper rings and a blowtube. Shot the Quigley match with those same loads. Yuppers I'm hooked on the Eynsford powder.

Oregon Bill · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2013, 09:59:40 AM »

I'm gonna keep an eye peeled for a pound or two of this stuff to try in the Pedersoli Sharps.

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:00:45 PM »

Had my Shiloh #3 rebarrel to 44-77, got it back night before last, got a chance to shoot it today.
Shooting 75 grs Eysnford 2f, and a patched bullet, this splatter in the bottom right on the steel was the first 15 rounds thru it. 100 yds sitting with the semibuckhorn ladder sight folded down. Think it's ready to go elk tippin.

Yellowhouse Sam · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:48:30 PM »

Kinda curious. Folks use the 45-70 out to 1000 or so. The 44-77 oughta do as well quite handily with the right bullet wouldn't it.

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:57:01 PM »

Sam that question has me guessing too. I've been shooting 480gr bullets, (1.35 long) but haven't had the best results at 1000 yet, altho the shooter could be playing a big part into that. Tried some 540 gr bullets today (slicks) but out of 10 only got one on the target at 800 and it left a sort of side profile on the target..

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2013, 08:59:35 PM »

At Raton my .434 diameter Baco bullet was doing 1275 over their chrono, mine here at the house said 1300 and change... I would of thought that would be plenty of velocity to keep it trooping along at the 1k mark.. but it didn't do well, but then there's the weather that was slowing down a lot of scores,,,
More rounds downrange will tell the tale I suppose.

Blackpowder Burn · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2013, 10:23:10 PM »

I'm also curious to see what 3Fg will do in the 38-55, as my Marlin has responded well to that (both Goex Express and Swiss) in the past. I've got a case of Olde E split between both granulations.

I'm also going to do some side-by-side comparison with Swiss at the same time.

It should be an excellent opportunity to learn many interesting things.

Oregon Bill · « **Reply #11 on:** November 11, 2013, 11:37:08 AM »

Ranch: That's a 1:18 twist in your Shiloh, right?

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #12 on:** November 11, 2013, 11:47:24 AM »

Bill no the twist they put in these 44's is 1-19.
Talked to Kirk a little bit ago, and he said it'ld be no problem to put that 7* lead in my roughrider. Just to schedule a time and come up and get it done in about a 1/2 hour or so... Guess I'll watch the weather and if it looks like there's a stretch of good weather I might just make the run to Big Timber for a couple of days of getting away.. If that doesn't work out I'll just UPS it up to him.

Blair · « **Reply #13 on:** November 11, 2013, 12:28:46 PM »

Ranch 13,

What bullet weight are you using?
1 - 19 twist is kind of odd, but should do well with heavy to med weight bullets.
I actually don't know what weight bullets might be available in the 44-77 these days.
My best,
Blair

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 11, 2013, 12:40:16 PM »

Blair the bullets I've been using for long range are pretty much 480 grs or 1.35 inches long.
I'm thinking maybe a lot of the problem I'm having particularly at 900 and 1000 might just be the front aperature. Here at home shooting on the steel target the bullet splashes all are point on, no bullet profiles in the paint or on the steel.

Yellowhouse Sam · « **Reply #15 on:** November 11, 2013, 12:56:42 PM »

I guess I'lll have to load mine up on a north bound pack mule train to have the 7 degree done. Bit far for me to just amble up the road and drop in!

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 11, 2013, 01:14:31 PM »

Aw heck Sam just order you another one, shoot that one you have is what 2 years old now? Probably purtneart wore out by now

Blair · « **Reply #17 on:** November 11, 2013, 01:27:13 PM »

Ranch 13,

At "home", what altitude above sea level are you, compared to Raton?
Air density at different elevations can make a big difference in performance.
Just a thought?
My best,
Blair

Ranch 13 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 11, 2013, 01:53:40 PM »

My range is right at 4800 , a little lower than Raton, but pretty close to the same as at Byers, Co.
In my notebook elevation settings don't change any except for wind direction , mirage and light at all 3 places.
I'm thinking I'm not getting as solid of a sight picture on those long targets as I should, going to see if I can come up with a smaller aperature, or maybe even just go to a fine post and see if that helps some.

Blair · « **Reply #19 on:** November 11, 2013, 02:11:56 PM »

Ranch 13,

I always thought the 44-77 was under utilized/rated.
It has a great potential.
It sounds like you have a pretty good handle on it from what I can see or have suggested.
Keep us informed, please.
My best,
Blair

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