Great News!! Win Model 12 Approved 2013

[Jefro]

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Great news from Founders Ranch. Pecos Clyde posted this on the WB Forum today, the Model 12, 12ga is approved begining Jan 1 2013 for Wild Bunch Shooting!! Yeaaa!!

Effective January 1, 2013 the Winchester Model 12, 12 ga. shotgun is approved for use in Wild Bunch Action Shooting.

Pecos Clyde  

   ....more to follow next week.  The wireless interet connection at Founders Ranch is very slow


Jefro Relax-Enjoy

[Slowhand Bob]

Does this now mean that I need to go shopping for three of these?  Might also be a smart idea for those who use the '97s for both Cowboy and WB to delegate the old model to cowboy use only.  Would seem when they are gone, they ARE gonna be gone!  Figure the prices will start jumping pretty soon on the M12s, what are good ones currently bringing?

[August]

Saw two nice '97s yesterday while I was looking for a Model 12.  The only Model 12s I saw were 16 gauge.  Might go back for the '97s while I'm waiting for a nice Model 12 to show up at the emporium.

And, so it goes....

[Slowhand Bob]

Was planning to go shopping today myself BUT ALAS, my mother has to go into the hospital tomorrow, down in Griffin Ga, for some heart problems so, gotta go, gotta go, gotta go right now!  Yall dont draive those prices up to high before I can get back home and buy me a couple of the good ones!

[Bugscuffle]

Just judging by what I see on the on-line sales sites, the model 12's are already priced way too high. Just how many shells can you fit into a model 12? Where are you going to find mag extensions for the model 12?

[Jefro]

Just judging by what I see on the on-line sales sites, the model 12's are already priced way too high. Just how many shells can you fit into a model 12? Where are you going to find mag extensions for the model 12?

I just did a little searching and found a bunch from $299-$699 in what appears to be good shape. The Model 12 will hold six, some may have a plug (and/or spring) that needs to be removed or replaced. Good Luck


Jefro Relax-Enjoy

[Roscoe Coles]

As soon as I heard, I ran down to the local shop and bought a near mint field gun (30", full, 12ga) for $495.  Its almost too nice to bob, so I may have to find one a little rougher!  Still, I think the Model 12 will be a much better gun that the 97 for WB.

[PJ Hardtack]

I knew there was  a reason I hung onto my M12s - one 30" FC, t'others 28" Mod, one with pretty wood and solid recoil pad. Unless I'm mistaken, you see M12s at work in the "Wild Bunch" movie. They would have been 'state of the art' in the era.

Our club is building a skeet range and I was planning on using a M12 for skeet, a game in which the M12 used to be king. Now I have another game for them.

[Slowhand Bob]

Went looking for one yestiddy and found three at one gunstore and nadda at the other places.  One was a fancy grade and still looked really nice but the store want well over a grand fer it.  The two basic guns were priced at around double the cost of a new Rem 870 so I passed.  One pawn shop said they average one ever few months and usually ask around three hundred for a decent gun.  I see now thet I need to spend more time checking pawn shops as their average gun looked better kept than did the average used ones in the gun stores visited.  My guess, fokes who sell their guns to pawn shops have not shot them as much as those people who trade guns to the gun stores.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

It makes me weep to hear that amputating barrels is being considered.  At what cost to old and valuable guns is the miniscule advantage, more perceived than realized.

[pony express]

I wonder why no 16's? I guess Grandpa's 16ga mod 12 will just stay in the gunsafe for now.

[Sgt. John Campbell]

It makes me weep to hear that amputating barrels is being considered.  At what cost to old and valuable guns is the miniscule advantage, more perceived than realized.

The two Model 12's that I've found for myself are both field grade guns.  The blueing is worn very well on both, and the plain stocks have seen better days.  These are not collector grade Model 12's, they are well carried and used hunting models.  And yes, I'm having the barrels cut back from 30" and 28", to 20" on both guns.

I've been using a 20" Model 97 for both CAS and now WBAS, since I started playing the game in 2004.  For me, the 20" barrel swings quite well, and feels quite comfortable.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Although I use a '97 cut to 22 inches, I still deplore cutting off good guns that work satisfactorily as they are.  My main  97 was already cut to 24 iches with a Weaver "Dial-a-duck" choke installed so it was already altered.  I bought two at once, and the other is a newer 2d last year of production gun and it will retain its 30 full choke barrel.  I have owned a couple of model 12s and both were altered when I got them.  One was assembled from bootleg parts, likely scrounged from the RCAF armourers tasked to maintain the skeet guns the pilots trained with.  The other had a garish trap buttpad and I hated it.  Both went in trade years ago.

I know what you are saying, Sgt. John, but I've never seen the need for sawdoffs in CAS, or wild Bunch. I fact the best match scores I ever made were using 30 inch full choke barrels that slammed every knockdown flat.

[PJ Hardtack]

My M12s will never be butchered. Barrel length is a subjective thing. I base my opinion on esthetics overall.

At a recent match, I paid attention to barrel lengths on shotguns. There were a couple of stages where short barreled guns were a little easier to handle in and out of props and windows, but the difference was more imagined than real.

My original Ithaca 'Flues' SxS has 30" M&F tubes and giving it the chop would be a crime, IMHO. My wife and I just bought Stoeger 'Uplander' SxSs; hers a 26" 20 ga, mine a 28" 12 ga. The 20" 'Coach Guns' didn't have the same appeal with their attenuated barrels.

[Garand]

Having shot at the old "Ft Kusk" a number of times with a 30" M97, I had a number of moments where a 30" barrel was a major pain, in and around some of the props used. I found an old barrel and chopped it to 18.5" with a screw in choke. It is now very easy to handle and pack for transport. The wife and I generally take at least 15 guns between the 2 of us so space in the SUV is at a premium.

If I can find a nice Field Grade M12, I see many reasons to chop it to 20".


By lawrence9 at 2006-01-12

[Slowhand Bob]

I have to drive in to the city later this morning and, if time permits, I want check a couple of more places for a model twelve.  They definitely do not seem to be as common as I was first lead to believe.  I did find a 'like new' field grade Rem 870 for slightly under $300 at a large pawn shop, any chance of these being accepted soon? 

[Garand]

I just made a deal this morning for a field grade M12 for $325.00 on a Canadian firearms web site. Now I just need an old barrel to chop to 20".

[Slowhand Bob]

In desperation I made a bold offer on a really nice looking Mod 12.  After a month of making the long drive into town seeking one without any luck I made the offer on one of the two that had $650 price tags on them.  These are consignment guns and have been on the dealers rack for at least the last month so I offered $500 for my choice.  Do not know the year of manufacture but it really looks nice with good wood and blue.  Two potential problems though, it has this God awful external choke and a vent rib.  The choke would cut off exactly on the 22" line at the last post on the rib but there is my great fear, are vet ribs legal?  The dealer says he should call me within a day or so if the owner isnt out of town or sumpthin.  Is my offer way out of line for a really nice plain Jane gun? 

[Slowhand Bob]

PS: It seems this is a compensator and not a choke!  Notified that offer was accepted yesterday.

[Thomas (Tom) Horn aka James Hicks]

SHB-
Do not know where you hang your hat, but it seems the going rate for Model 12 (as you say "plain jane's") is somewhere between $250 - $750 (as seen on gunbroker) assume mileage will vary depending on location.  All types of "ribs" are allowed.  You can amputate the barrel and eliminate the compensator, your barrel would be anywhere from 20" to 22" which is a good length for WB. Tap barrel and have new sight installed and with some work on the action you will be good to go.  The Trigger Group for the Model 12 can be frustrating... totally different than the '97.

[Roosterman]

It makes me weep to hear that amputating barrels is being considered.  At what cost to old and valuable guns is the miniscule advantage, more perceived than realized.

Ditto. Ever notice all the old doubles at gunshows that lay on the table and never sell? You can never glue those cut off barrels back on again....hacksaws should be outlawed!
Never had a problem shooting a gun with full length barrels.