Vetterli help?

[River City John]

Found someone who does the conversions. 

[sail32]

I assume you have seen this site.   http://theswissriflesdotcommessageboard.yuku.com/forums/4/Vetterli-Rifles

[River City John]

Yes, thank you.

RCJ

[pony express]

Here's a thread I had seen before about loading for Swiss Vetterli: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=145086

There's other threads if you search their archives.

[River City John]

Thanks Pony.
That's one I had not seen.

RCJ

[pony express]

Here's another source for obsolete ammunition I ran across on another forum. No pricelist, just a huge list of calibers, looks like you have to e-mail them for availability and price.
http://www.ammunitions.com/order.htm

Saw 2 lengths of Swiss Vetterli rounds. (38 and 42mm)

[River City John]

Well, received approval to shoot my Vetterli in the Mid-/Long Range sidematch at the NCOWS National in June by the National Judge.

Now if I can only get my bolt back from the smith converting it, I can try to test loads I've worked up.

I hope to develop documentation to submit to have it approved in main matches, as it was used on the Nebraska frontier during the time period.
RCJ

[River City John]

As an after action report on shooting the Vetterli in Long Range.

We shot three courses of ten rounds each at 200yds., 170yds. and 140yds, with three sighting rounds allowed per position. All the shooters shot in order sitting on somewhat springy wooden picnic tables with elbows resting on the table. Three shooters per table, so we tried real hard to keep movement to a minimum

Long story short I made 13 hits out of 30. While the recoil was not bad, accumulative my shoulder was pretty sore by the time we got to the final set of ten rounds, and I knew I was flinching in anticipation of the pummeling my shoulder took.

I was pleased though, considering I was using the original open military sights and had never fired the rifle. I used brass formed out of 8mm Lebel cases and a 320gr. bullet sized .430, and about 43 gr. Triple 7, or just enough to fill the case to halfway up the neck before seating the bullet. Since we shot as single-shot, I could have seated my bullet a bit deeper in the case as OAL to fit the lifting carrier wasn't an issue. It ended up I was using 5:00 hold below the bottom of the target and two to three widths of the front blade to the right, depending on how the flag was flying off the flagpole.

At least I got a good start on fire-forming my brass.

By the way, the bolt for conversion I had sent off to Gad Custom Cartridges had not arrived by the time I left (I had sent it mid-April!), so I shot another Vetterli I had picked up that was already converted but in a bit rougher shape.

Can't wait to get my bolt back for the other Vetterli so I can fine tune my load for the Muster.

RCJ

[RattlesnakeJack]

Sounds like it's going to work out pretty well, John. 

I look forward to seeing your rifle(s) - do you have a related uniform yet? 

[Grenadier]

Heres a little something from my collection of Swiss militaria. I have a rather large collection of uniforms, gear and various other kit. I have gathered this over the past few years in CH while visiting family.

 This uniform and tschako was used from the late 1890's up thru WW1 and even some making appearances later. Replicas of these uniforms are non-existant as far as I know and I know a group in CH who recreates soldiers from this period. They all use original uniforms! 

[River City John]

There are several original shakos on eBay right now, and good condition ones with insignia in place seem to run QUITE EXPENSIVE!

I have about given up trying to recreate a uniform for the very reason you stated, that repro's are nonexistent and originals are not only prohibitive, but I would be reluctant to risk abuse in use.

But then again, I do have an historical example for a persona that was non-military and native to my state during the era . . .
Thanks for the nice reference picture Grenadier.
RCJ

[Grenadier]

Tschakos are getting expensive, especially in Switzerland. Five years ago, you could pick up a decent Fusilier tschako for $75 to $100, but that has changed recently. I reluctantly passed on a decent artillery one in Zurich last month for $85. I regret that now