View of Primitive Camp

[TwoWalks Baldridge]

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Called camping on the prairie

This picture shows Paul Kane  right of the tent and a Mitis' that accompanied him during the year 1846.  

This picture is on display at the Stark Museum of Art Orange, Texas, U.S.A.

I believe this picture gives a good indication of what a primitive camp of our time period would have looked like.

[Oregon Bill]

Two Walks: Thanks for posting that -- it's charmingly simple. I'm quite taken by the two-wheeled cart. Does one horse pull the cart with the Metis driving, and Kane rides the other horse? Wouldn't that be the Metis to the right, seated with the pipe? His clothes just look more colorful.

[Major 2]

Metis carts on the trail

I know that's a basket with red trade blanket .... but Dang it sorta looks an old Igloo cooler 

[TwoWalks Baldridge]

Adding a couple more of Paul Kane's paintings, they show how simple a primitive camp can be.

[buffalo bill]

Howdy, Boys.
     I have been trying to figure out how to post pictures of my camp to show how it compares to the first one in this post. Wedge tent, red river oxcart, odds and ends scattered around etc. I received my January issue of Muzzle Blasts magazine and there it is on page 9 ! If you get Muzzle Blasts, and I don't know why you wouldn't, my article this month is on "THE HUNTERS OF FT UNION." Pretty good view of my camp. My next article will be on Alexander Harvey, the 'boldest man on the Missouri'. Some day I hope to do an article on TAPS. That should be a good one, donchathink?

'SCOUTIN' for SHAGGIES'

 BUFFALO BILL

[Caleb Hobbs]

Congratulations, Bill! I haven't been a member of the NMLRA for a good many years, so I don't get the magazine. I looked on-line, but couldn't find it posted anywhere. Good job, though; it's not an easy market to break into.

If you're having trouble posting photos of your camp, you can send them to me and I'll see what I can do. And I agree -- an article on The American Plainsmen Society would be a good fit for magazines like Muzzle Blasts or Muzzle Loader, and maybe a few others , besides.

[James Hunt]

That is a great painting that is indicative of a camp from that period - although it is probably what an eastern artist would need and not necessarily indicative of what a frontiersman would use. I think a camp reflects largely what type of transportation you'd have. If one was traveling with a pack animal it would probably be limited to a piece of canvas  that might be used in poor weather, if your purpose required a wagon it may have provided you with an actual tent, and if you were Russian royalty, well you may have had quite a wine selection with you. All would be period. I think a camp depends on who you are, what you are doing, and how you are getting there.

Albeit a bit later than the period discussed here, my buffalo hunting pals and I travel with a Missouri freight wagon capable of several thousand pounds and allows us some items of comfort. Below is our camp on the Kansas plains in 1872.

[Marshal Deadwood]

Impressive camp, Mr. Hunt.

Deadwood

[Caleb Hobbs]

James: I always enjoy looking at photos of your camp and outfit. That's the kind of attention to detail I'd like to see all of us strive for. Even the fact that it's flipped adds to the sense of authenticity. Thanks for posting it here. Caleb

[James Hunt]

Thanks for the kind comment.

You know that simple piece of canvas - I think it is probably 10 oz. purchased from Lowe's for $20 - has covered us in 90 degree heat and near zero weather and in rain and snow. It is not really bad, it is actually more convenient than my $300 super light nylon - ripstop - or whatever it is backpacking tent - a lot easier to get out of in the middle of the night after to much coffee over evening meal.

It really gives up nothing in comfort. With a buffalo robe thrown down to sleep on top of it is as good as any cot in my opinion, and in the near zero weather I roll up in my single wool blanket with a robe below me and a robe over me and am as warm if not warmer than the $200 super light back packing sleeping bag I also own.

I guess what I am saying is that a primitive camp such as this one really gives up nothing in comfort.

[TwoWalks Baldridge]

Mr Hunt ... thank you for a glimpse in time at a very pristine and useful camp.

[Hopalong Strong]

Hello all, I was surprised to see that all the paintings show a ruler straight upper edge to the tents. This when combined with the lack of ropes tells us they used a ridge pole. This surprises me sinc it is one more piece of lumber to carry. None appear to use the found limbs in the way the James' Hunt's does. I'm sure that many did what Mr. Hunt did but what do you think is the thought pattern behind the more permanent poles and ridge in these paintings? Or am I misinterpreting what I am seeing?

[Caleb Hobbs]

I wouldn't be surprised at a ridge pole, since the metis were known to carry tipi poles atop their carts. I also wouldn't discount artistic license, since I don't see any guide ropes, either.

[Tascosa Joe]

Analysis of the picture says to me they were using tents rather than a fly like James Hunt uses as I see what appears to be end flaps opened back accross to top of the tents.  The one in the Kane picture looks to be a wall tent and the others appear to be  wedge tents.   The lack of ropes would mean all the tents are "magic". LOL.   The Kane picture appears to be out on the prairie when poles picked up off the ground would be very difficult.  There are a lot more trees on the Great Plains today than existed in the 1850's.  Lavender's book on Bents Fort states the Arkansas River did not have any timber growing along its banks.  Bent had to travel to Big Timbers (70 miles) to get the cottonwood trunks they used for vega's in building the fort.  Big Timbers is about where Lamar, CO is today and it was the only timber on the Arkansas.  Today it is solid trees and tamarac from Canon City east.   My best guess if you were traveling with a cart or a wagon you had tent poles. 

T-Joe

[buffalo bill]

Howdy, boys. Been a little while since I have had the opportunity to visit. When I do my hunter camp, I have a red river oxcart and like some of you have mentioned, they did carry poles with them. The Metis hunters carried A LOT of poles with them to dry the meat on. Without poles, they would not have been able to dry the buffalo meat to make pemmican . A couple more for their tents would not be any big deal. Just my two cents. Have a good one!                                          .                                                                                                                                            'SCOUTIN' for SHAGGIES'                                                                                                                                                                                                      BUFFALO BILL

[Hopalong Strong]

I never considered the plains factor and its timber free nature.

my wedge tent is free from ropes and uses a ridge pole so it looks very similar to the one in those paintings.

[Tascosa Joe]

You dont use end ropes to tie the wedge to the ground in a wind?  I have never used a wedge tent so I dont know.

[Hopalong Strong]

Mine uses no ropes at all

[James Hunt]

The real deal, although early 1870's.



If it could at all be avoided I doubt that many would have hauled poles along with them. If you were traveling with stock you had to find water, if you found water you often found vegetation and trees, or else wood that had been carried down stream. Note the picture above, that seen used to support the canvas appears to be field expedient stuff. Also note the lack of ropes, if you do it right they just aren't needed. My outfit has stood up in some pretty bad weather, in fact it has never come down. Like I said the canvas cost me about $20 at Lowes, and the poles came out of the back of my place, and it is really better than the expensive backpacking tent I own, and right up there with the cowboy teepee I also own.

[Tascosa Joe]

Cool Picuture.

[Tascosa Joe]

James:

Do you have a location on the picture.

T-Joe

[James Hunt]

The above image is taken from the book "A Texas Frontier" and is reportedly a buffalo hunter's camp in the early 1870's located in Texas.

Note the woodcut from Harpers Magazine, although dated 1879 and again a bit beyond the period being discussed here, still the camp is rather interesting with field expedient tent architecture. Purportedly representing Texas hunters.

[Tascosa Joe]

It could be in the Rath City/Fort Griffin area.  There would be some timber in the creek bottoms there.   

How big is your canvas fly?  Mine is 9X9 which would be a little small or at least you could not sit up in it very well.  I have used it as a diamond shelter on primative trec's but did not think about turning it into a wedge tent.

[Tascosa Joe]

James:
The 1879 Harpers Mag is another cool picture.  Thanks for sharing.  How has your fly worked in wet weather?  Do you have another piece that you hang on the ends to keep the rain out?  My 9X9 was designed on the premise that would be about the size to cover a pack on a pack saddle.  Something a person in the wild would likely have on hand all of the time.  It works but is not very tall.
Joe

[Hopalong Strong]

I like the look of these tents using "found wood" poles. It is nice to see both transported and locally found lumber was used.