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« on: December 04, 2011, 08:15:00 am »


Anyone use Ballistol to clean/lubricate/protect their Spencer?

I recently began working with an individual from Austria. He swears by this stuff for his firearms. We recently tried it on an AR bolt full of carbon. After soaking for about 20 minutes, the carbon wiped off. If you're not familiar with the AR bolts, it is a direct gas impingement system and gasses carbonize on the bolt. The carbon has to be scraped off. 

I was impressed by the stuff and we are going to experiment with it at work.

I was wondering how well this would work in my Spencer.
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2011, 08:34:43 am »

FWIW - I've been using Ballistol for years with my Cowboy action guns and antique Sharps and Winchester High-Wall - all BP shooters. I use it more as a lube than a cleaner but it works well as either. I always take a small container to the range for spot cleaning as needed - bottom line - I swear by this stuff! (Again - I only shoot BP - I really haven't used it with my only non-BP firearm - a Mauser Bolo - so I can't comment on its smokeless capabilities - anyway, this smokeless-thing is just a fad!)
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2011, 09:05:05 am »

I do not own a Spencer...however, I can say that after years of experimentation, I now have no other cleaners or lubes in the gun room, which is dedicated to BP and subs. My son also uses Ballistol extensively on his smokeless weapons, don't see why it wouldn't work on AR's or Spencers. It also seems to work very well, for me at least, as a disinfectant on small cuts, and for anything else that is claimed on the can. Be aware that some folks, especially it seems those of the female persuasion, find the aroma of Ballistol to be objectionable, and are likely to let you know about it.

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2011, 10:59:39 am »

I agree with the others!  Nothing better.....as a cleaner and/or lubricant.  Only objection is the smell.  Smells like a well used jock strap.  At some point the smell doesn`t bother me, but I assure you that is not the case for others....wife, daughter, etc.  Sometimes I wonder what others think.........but more importantly, it does the job and more.  Good for leather, wood, the skin, the list is endless.  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2011, 02:07:33 pm »

Who lets the wimmen folk in the man room?   Shocked Shocked Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2011, 06:19:36 pm »

If you clean and lube two SAA's, one lever gun, and one SXS with Ballistol, it isn't necessary for the "wimmen folk" to enter the room...they WILL pick up the scent from just about anywhere in the house...trust us on this!

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2011, 06:40:30 pm »

Count:

You confuse me. The house is the man room. The wimmen folk are in the red lighted house down the road.

You mean the smell goes that far away?    Grin
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2011, 11:07:18 am »

As an update, I used it to clean a sharps carbine. I invited my wife downstairs to get an opinion on the smell. She had no issues with it, she thought it smelled "kinda sweet". It didn't bother me at all.

It worked well, I learned something new.

I also took my duty AR15 to the range last week and shot about 100 rounds. I cleaned it with Ballistol and it performed much, much better than the CLP we had been using. After our spring range, we're going to have 10-15 officers use it for cleaning their rifles and get more input. We want to get rid of the CLP altogether and this may work for us. Might even use it on the Glocks.

I realize this talk about modern semi's is blasphemy here, but it is interesting something so old can work on modern weapons as well as our "Civil War" era weapons.
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2011, 10:53:44 pm »

I agree with the others!  Nothing better.....as a cleaner and/or lubricant.  Only objection is the smell.  Smells like a well used jock strap.  At some point the smell doesn`t bother me, but I assure you that is not the case for others....wife, daughter, etc.  Sometimes I wonder what others think.........but more importantly, it does the job and more.  Good for leather, wood, the skin, the list is endless.  Grin

I always thought it smelled like crushed insects... perhaps grasshoppers?    Tongue
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 05:56:48 am »

A couple weeks ago I bought a starter kit of Ballistol. It included a can of concentrate, a can of spray, a needle oiler, a spray bottle and a bunch of instructions.

My 1892 Rossi, 1873 Uberti and two NM Vaquero Rugers have not been cleaned all summer.

I'm shooting Lyman #2 lead with LEE tumble ALOX lube. CAS velocities.

I took all four guns and gave them a good spray of the Balistol. Inside the action and in the barrels. I let them sit for 15 minutes.

Using compressed air I blew out the interior of the guns onto a white towel. I did not bother taking them apart although I did remove the cylinders from the revolvers and gave them a good Ballistol scubbing with rag and bronze bore brush.

 Lots of black oil was seen on the towel.

A bronze brush was scrubbed ten times in the bores followed by two cloth patches. The first patch came out black as coal. The second a dark grey and the third was nearly clean!

The bores looked great! And the actions are smooth as silk.

A quick wipe down and I called it done.

This Ballistol is my new cleaning, lubing agent until something better comes along. Amazing stuff!
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2012, 11:37:23 pm »

I love Balistol.  I use it to clean EVERY gun I own.  MY AR15, I do lube with CLP. but my two 9mms 870, and M1 Carbine I just lube with balistol.  I used it on all of my CAS guns whether BP cartridge or smokeless.  It is good for cuts and scrapes on your skin (Germans used it in WW I for topical antibiotic like iodine) and great for leather and wood, too.
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2012, 11:49:59 pm »

Besides cleaning your Spencer, Ballistol is great for cleaning air guns. Ballistol will not damage the seals like some petro based bore cleaners and gun oil.  JW
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2018, 12:30:38 am »

The Germans also used Ballistol as an antiseptic. You can gargle with it to cure sore throats, drink a shot of it to chase away hangovers, and I also heard it can cure syphilis.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2018, 02:09:32 pm »

The Germans also used Ballistol as an antiseptic. You can gargle with it to cure sore throats, drink a shot of it to chase away hangovers, and I also heard it can cure syphilis.

I just saw in the local rag that someone has come up with a vacination syphilis?!
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« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2018, 03:07:01 pm »

After hearing all this stuff, I have to wonder how it works on flat tires?
Anybody research when Ballistol was introduced to the world?
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« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2018, 03:46:10 pm »

Dr. Helmut Klever  a professor of chemistry at the Technische Hochschule in Karlsruhe, developed Ballistol in 1904.
Adopted by the German army in 1905 and used through WW11.
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2018, 09:11:12 am »

Major 2,

Thanks!
I didn't think Ballistol was available when Black powder was the only powder, at least here in the US.
Water, better yet hot water works best for BP.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2018, 09:40:15 am »

After recently shooting a batch of 45 Colt rounds I cleaned the two guns used with Ballistol. No problems and no follow up rust as I've heard some report.

And as an aside, I find it fascinating that some will say hot water is best for cleaning BP while others will declare cold water is best. My inclination is to think cold water was used more often in the day, just because of convenience. That said, when I was shooting BP I always cleaned with hot water and soap. (smile)

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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2018, 09:50:20 am »

It does go back further , Helmet's Father  Friedrich Wilhelm Klever started production of oils based on coal.
Balistol as we know it was  the son Dr. Helmut Klever in 1904 it is basis a medically pure white oil.
 It is also has various drugs and herbs added to the white oil (Mineral oil)
It was used by the Germans in both World Wars , the U.S. Army used it in WWII.
The Family owned company headquarters was targeted by the Allies and destroyed ....
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2018, 10:56:04 am »


Humpff!  Odd man out.  I don't like nor recommend Ballistol for anything.  Clean my guns (All BP or Sub) with Water (maybe a drop of Dawn) and lube em with Mobil 1.  Did I mention I don't happen to like Ballistol??

Whom was the Necromancer brought this Dead Thread back anyway.  Diggin up Bones indeed   Grin
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« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2018, 11:32:33 am »

There is a reason why hot water is "better yet".
It heats up the metal of the firearm. This aids in the evaporation of any moisture that may be left behind after drying with patches. An oil patch to finish the cleaning.
I can't say that I don't like Ballistol, After 45years of competitive shooting with BP I have never had reason to try it.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2018, 12:58:40 pm »

I've done some "perceived" sacrilege cleaning BP guns & other a sundried items ....

I recall cleaning the fuel Injection on my TR6 race car in a Howard Johnson's motel bathtub at a Daytona Sports car race.
Circa 1973 .... that left a ring I can tell you ...

I use to pull the barrel of my smoke pole and stick the breach in a toilet and siphon & flush the bore with a patched rod
flush the carbon down the drain... nice sooty residue in the bowl after that  Tongue

I'd heat water add Dawn swab the bore & cylinders on my C&B's rinse with more hot water so the evaporation of moisture was faster.

I used Moble 1 , and other lubes....  I still have Gibbs Lube , EeZox, Boshield for the Smokeless shooters...

I lke Ballistol on my original guns because it will not build up in the wood & I use it on my Leather ....






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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2018, 01:37:40 pm »

Hello:

Can't resist sharing that a Phd chemist friend, now passed, told me emphatically that cool water dissolves the salts in bp fouling better than hot water. He was an explosives specialist and deeply into bp chemistry.   Hmmmm.  Ok, maybe I missed something.

Would love to have a qualified person comment.  

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2018, 01:47:27 pm »


OK, OK.  I lied.  Sort of.  I was at a match once (didn't do it again) with a new pair of boots (really dumb).  Oh man that hurt.  Then a friend suggested I rub a goodly amount of ballistic into the leather to soften and condition.  Worked a treat.  Only did that once though.  My only good experience with Ballistol.
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2018, 09:09:24 am »

German soldiers in the trenches also used Balistol on their feet to fight trench- foot (don't know how well it worked).  Considering how it smells, it seems appropriate Wink
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