Rifles

[Charles Isaac]

Hello , Bow View. The centerfire Remington Model 8 Rifle hit the market in 1906.

[Bow View Haymaker]

thanks.  I'll have to research that one. what calibers wa sit available in? When did the first commercial .30-06 rifles become available besides the original BAR and Garand?

[Charles Isaac]

what calibers wa sit available in? When did the first commercial .30-06 rifles become available besides the original BAR and Garand?

The Model 8 Remington was made in .30, .32, .25 and .35 Remington and the .35 Remington cartridge is still sold today. The .30, .32 and .25 Remington rounds were rimless rounds based on the rimmed .30-30 Winchester. The first civilian 30-06 was the Model 1895 Winchester lever action in, I believe, 1906.

[Bow View Haymaker]

Thanks for the info.  I have been having a hankering for a semi-auto .30-06. the remington sparked my interest.  I thinkn one of the first ones was called the woodsmaster or somthing like that  and they kept that name up to the moe recent ones.  the model 8 loooksreallly interesting.  Thanks again.

[Charles Isaac]

Well Bow View, the first Woodsmaster was the Model 81 and hit the market in 1936. It was offered in .300 Savage, which was very close in power to the 30-06.



The modernized 742 Woodsmaster with the slope backed receiver that is still made today with a few slight improvements replaced it in the 1950's. I hope this is of interest to you.

[winchets]

Howdy gents

just found this web site Im an long time cas shooter and newly perverted to Zoot shooting. I am working up a 351 as a 2nd rifle the first is a tommy gun but the 1907 351 is promising. brass is expensive and hard to find. however dies can be purchased from redding and Accurate molds has a design he designed to duplicate the factory jacketed bullet they work real nice. Im experminting with 2400 and unique. load data is available in the cartridges of the World book plus there are some on line stuff. You can make brass from 357 maximum if your talented, I havent tried it yet there isan article on line that describes it. Yo can swage bullets using a die fron CH4. We have a club in Utah that allows cas, wildbunch and zoot shooters on the 2nd sat of the month.

[Border Ruffian]

Howdy gents

just found this web site Im an long time cas shooter and newly perverted to Zoot shooting. I am working up a 351 as a 2nd rifle the first is a tommy gun but the 1907 351 is promising. brass is expensive and hard to find. however dies can be purchased from redding and Accurate molds has a design he designed to duplicate the factory jacketed bullet they work real nice. Im experminting with 2400 and unique. load data is available in the cartridges of the World book plus there are some on line stuff. You can make brass from 357 maximum if your talented, I havent tried it yet there isan article on line that describes it. Yo can swage bullets using a die fron CH4. We have a club in Utah that allows cas, wildbunch and zoot shooters on the 2nd sat of the month.

Very interesting, I have a 351 I need to get cracking on.  Let us know how yours works out.  Can you post a link or information to the mold?  I keep comming up zero on finding a mold.

[winchets]

here are a couple links

http://bobshellsblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/351-winchester-self-loader.html

here is the linl for the molds

http://www.accuratemolds.com/

[Border Ruffian]

here are a couple links

http://bobshellsblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/351-winchester-self-loader.html

here is the linl for the molds

http://www.accuratemolds.com/

This is very helpful, Thank You!

[DeaconKC]

Welcome to the sport Winchets!

[winchets]

I  got some range time the other day and was able to try the new 351 loads, 170 gr cast bullets from my accurate mold and 17 gr of powder worked great. I have some with 10 gr of unique and no gascheck I need to try. so far Im liking this little rifle

[Niederlander]

Winchets,
      Are you using the Accurate Molds #35-175A?  I'm feeling the need for a Winchester '07 and I'm looking into feeding one.  What are you using for brass?

[winchets]

That sounds right. Just Tell Tom you want the 351 mold he built for his Instructor.  Im using Jamison brass its pricy20+ for 20 rounds but it works. Midway has some on back order, supposed to be available in November...so they say...Bertham also makes brass Jamison and Bertham are available through Huningtons. they currently have jamison brass only. Old west scrounger and Buffalo arms both carry it but are on back order. there was another company who has brass or loaded ammo but i cant find it in my email list

[Border Ruffian]

I recently did a test to see if 5.56/223 Rem could be modified to 351 as some claim.  In my rifle it did not work.  The rim on 5.56 is just too small.  I suppose as a blow back it could function without the extractor engaging the rim, but it would be unreliable and perhaps dangerous.

I did email Starline Brass about making a run of 351 Winchester brass, they politely replied that it is not in their immediate plans and they would consider it in the future.  I assume this means if they get enough requests. Here is the place to send them a message. 

http://www.starlinebrass.com/about-us/contact-us.cfm


   

[winchets]

I found the email for another source for 351 brass or ammo

Steven Paulick <steve@loadxammo.com>

I contacted Steve in june of this year and he said they were in stock.

[HKUriah]

I've seen a fellow using one of those .351's at a Wild Bunch match here in New England a couple of times.  He was using a lead bullet and had a muzzle velocity to SASS stardards for "main match rifles" so yeah, low power loads work.  Wish I could remember who it was that had the thing!


On another note, would those reproduction Sterlings that are on the market be okay?  They are a pre 1950 design, and shoot the 9mm.   I think they'd be a fun alternative to the Thompson.

Of course, even if they are okay, I can't buy one...