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Re: To restructure or not to restructure - that IS the question
« Reply #200 on: February 13, 2012, 09:18:05 AM »
As an elected member of NCOWS as a whole, I do want to offer this viewpoint:

NCOWS is many things to many people.  For many, it is a shooting organization.  For some, it is a place to exchange historical footnotes.  Some use it as an avenue to reenacting.  A small, but vocal percentage of our membership trade ideas here, on this forum.  A much larger group exists out there who do not roam this vast "Internet range".  For that group, our publication is their source of connection to the organization. 

We also have a sizable membership who do not live within a reasonable distance to attend local, regional, or national gatherings.  For that group, the periodical is their only contact with the organization. 

We all recognize that our periodical is our "crown jewel".   We all understand the financial, logistic, and manpower challenges we have with the Shootist.   If a restructure of our periodical becomes a legislative item, please keep these thoughts in mind.   


Pancho, I agree with you 100% about how NCOWS appeals to folks for different reasons.  A "one size fits all" mindset will not work well, in my opinion. I am sure that there are many who are members of NCOWS that have no nearby posse to go to and the magazine is the only connection they might have with NCOWS. I would hateto see the magazine go away.

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Re: To restructure or not to restructure - that IS the question
« Reply #201 on: February 13, 2012, 09:48:22 AM »
Range Detective is a class where 2 NCOWS legal revolvers and an NCOWS legal rifle are used. No shotgun. And I want to stress that all ranges are going to be different in what is going to be the most popular class.
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Re: To restructure or not to restructure - that IS the question
« Reply #202 on: February 13, 2012, 11:34:17 AM »
Range Detective is a class where 2 NCOWS legal revolvers and an NCOWS legal rifle are used. No shotgun. And I want to stress that all ranges are going to be different in what is going to be the most popular class.

Thanks and don't see it in most places with more shooters than Cowboy though.
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« Reply #203 on: February 13, 2012, 11:44:59 AM »
Quick Fire, That is the class the folks at Col. Bishops's Renegades (West Side) have asked for. More of them have told me they like working cowboy, but wish they could shoot two handguns. They don't like shooting the shotgun for many reasons. Tj
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« Reply #204 on: February 13, 2012, 12:56:40 PM »
I shoot Working Cowboy because I don't want to shoot a shotgun 2 NCOWS legal revolvers and an NCOWS legal rifle would be great class I think we would find there a lot more like me out there..CC
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« Reply #205 on: February 13, 2012, 01:33:24 PM »
We started shooting Range Detective three or four years ago and it quickly became one of the most popular classes. We do break it down for black powder or smokeless.
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« Reply #206 on: February 13, 2012, 06:27:22 PM »
Thanks and don't see it in most places with more shooters than Cowboy though.

Joe, I bet you'd be surprised at how many folks would like to shoot two revolvers without messing with a shotgun. This class draws folks from not only working cowboy but from the other classes as well as it is in between.

It's one of the classes JCR voted to try this year.
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Re: To restructure or not to restructure - that IS the question
« Reply #207 on: February 14, 2012, 08:29:28 AM »
Joe, I bet you'd be surprised at how many folks would like to shoot two revolvers without messing with a shotgun. This class draws folks from not only working cowboy but from the other classes as well as it is in between.

It's one of the classes JCR voted to try this year.

You really aren't a fan of shot guns are you Cliff.  ;D
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« Reply #208 on: February 14, 2012, 09:24:05 AM »
You really aren't a fan of shot guns are you Cliff.  ;D
joe you have more choices of shooting in classes that require a shotgun at jcr than any other.i don't know what your concerns are to be honest.if you want call me at859-985-3232 day or pm me your # and will call you.jefff

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« Reply #209 on: February 14, 2012, 03:55:22 PM »
You really aren't a fan of shot guns are you Cliff.  ;D

I love shotguns.....for wing shooting, waterfowl, and turkeys.  ;D

They are probably the best choice for a home protection gun and very historically accurate for use in our classes although I don't feel shooting both a shotgun and rifle is very historically accurate, still that is not my main reason for not shooting one.

I don't think I'm alone in not being turned on by shooting stationary steel targets from a few feet away with a shotgun. Probably for the same reason a shotgun makes a good home defense gun, its kind of hard to miss unless you are playing some kind of crazy speed game. In other words I see no challenge in shooting the shotgun at steel plates other than speed which just doesn't do anything for me.
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« Reply #210 on: February 16, 2012, 09:56:27 AM »
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I don't think I'm alone in not being turned on by shooting stationary steel targets from a few feet away with a shotgun. Probably for the same reason a shotgun makes a good home defense gun, its kind of hard to miss unless you are playing some kind of crazy speed game. In other words I see no challenge in shooting the shotgun at steel plates other than speed which just doesn't do anything for me.

Hi Cliff

The reasoning behind my wanting to shoot shogun is primarily because they're less expensive, and because a hammered double barrel is something I think I'd like even if I try NCOWS and then decide I hate cowboy action shooting. 

I would suggest that moving the targets out would make for a more interesting shoot. 

Just my $0.02 and worth every dollar...    ;D

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« Reply #211 on: February 16, 2012, 10:27:21 AM »
1961MJS:  I love my hammer guns.  I shoot Trap with one from time to time.   32" barrel with Full and Fuller chokes are a little hard on phesants. 
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« Reply #212 on: February 16, 2012, 10:58:18 AM »
joe you have more choices of shooting in classes that require a shotgun at jcr than any other.i don't know what your concerns are to be honest.if you want call me at859-985-3232 day or pm me your # and will call you.jefff

I have no concerns Jeff just messing with Cliff a bit.  ;D

I would like to see the 1 pistol shot gun class but none of the classes are a game breaker with me to be honest. I'll shoot what is available regardless. I do prefer the 2 gun classes to more guns as I don't like cleaning a lot of guns when I get home from a meet is all. I have guns the guns that I could cover any class but cap & ball regardless.
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« Reply #213 on: February 16, 2012, 12:46:43 PM »
Hi Cliff

The reasoning behind my wanting to shoot shogun is primarily because they're less expensive, and because a hammered double barrel is something I think I'd like even if I try NCOWS and then decide I hate cowboy action shooting. 

I would suggest that moving the targets out would make for a more interesting shoot. 

Just my $0.02 and worth every dollar...    ;D

Mike
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Moving targets would be a lot of fun but a lot of work building. I needed a shotgun on the man running away from the gallows last year at the Nationals  ;D
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« Reply #214 on: February 16, 2012, 01:08:43 PM »
Moving targets would be a lot of fun but a lot of work building. I needed a shotgun on the man running away from the gallows last year at the Nationals  ;D

How about something like http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Shooting-Accessories/Clay-Shooting%7C/pc/104792580/c/104769180/sc/104269680/Do-All-Full-Cock-Competitor-Trap/707313.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-shooting-accessories-clay-shooting%2F_%2FN-1100229&WTz_l=SEO%3Bcat104269680 I've done this in the past and it is fun as well as challanging.
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« Reply #215 on: February 16, 2012, 01:20:36 PM »
Moving targets would be a lot of fun but a lot of work building. I needed a shotgun on the man running away from the gallows last year at the Nationals  ;D

Cliff,

You'll need to come and shoot at the Texas Peacemaker range sometime.  They've got a line shack with a "running man" target on a 60 yard zip line.  The target is a man-size steel silhouette on a pully.  At release, he glides diagonally downrange across the target array and downhill into a creek.  He gains speed as he goes.  They have a big truck tire that stops him and a hand crank winch to reel him back in. 

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« Reply #216 on: February 16, 2012, 03:45:44 PM »
West Side tells me the gallows is being rebuilt and moved to another part of cowboy town. The bad news, no more running man. I sure loved that stage. Tj

Just got an e-mail from Cash Creek, the running cowboy may be back for the National. Tj :D
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« Reply #217 on: February 16, 2012, 11:01:01 PM »
Now that is one stage I would like to use a shotgun on, that is an elusive rascal. ;D
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« Reply #218 on: February 17, 2012, 12:37:52 PM »
At the Sharpshooters we have a couple of knockdown targets that release a bird when they fall.  Also have a couple of poppers that throw a can when hit.  These are a whole lot better than stationary targets for the shotgun fans.

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Re: To restructure or not to restructure - that IS the question
« Reply #219 on: February 17, 2012, 02:42:22 PM »
I posted an arial of our range...note the Action ranges bays just over the 20' berm in the 300meter range.

We never schedule the two Disciplines hot in the same weekend, but we have a standing rule anyway , a shot over any berm will
get you a match DQ.

That said, Obviously we can not use anything that would pop UP ....I'm working on a spinner and have made several horzonial swing
targets....
when planets align...do the deal !

 

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