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« on: August 24, 2011, 01:32:23 am »


I was wondering what other folks had, or were thinking about getting, to take part in The American Plainsmen Society. Before TAPS came along, I wasn't really focused on a specific persona. My character was a plainsman from the late 1860s to mid-1870s -- a Kansas to the Northern Plains hunter, scout, trader. I had a Spencer carbine, a rolling block buffalo rifle, and a brace of Richard-Mason Navy conversions. Now I want to go earlier. I've got a Lyman Plains rifle to start with, but I'm not sure where to go with my handguns. A pair of single-shot muzzle loaders would take me all the way back to 1840, if that's what I wanted to do. Or a couple of '51 Navies ...
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2011, 06:44:15 am »


    Year is 1854 indan territory.
 Lets see I have a 50 cal. hawken and a newfangel 51 navy. Seeing as how now I ride guard on
 a stage coach. Also have a Greener 10 ga. percussion shotgun 28inch bal. but I cut them down
to 16 inch so to be handier at close in.           Coot
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2011, 08:01:34 am »

For the past 20 years my personna has been a Cowboy/Special Ranger from the 1870's.  7 1/2" Colt and a 73 Win.  I am a gun aquirer, I have an 1860 RM Conversion and a Henry.  I have an H&R Trapdoor Carbine with an original '79 sight added. 

I have a 2nd Gen 1860 Army.  My Navy went down the road years ago.

I have recently acquired a Shiloh Sharpes That looks like it could have been a converstion from a Civil War rifle. I have a 1760 Lancanster Style Long Rifle and a HB Trade Gun.

But for this new time frame, I am not very well prepared.  Dang, I have to buy more guns, phooey! (lie, lie, lie)   

I resently purchased an old Santa Fe Arms Hawken.  If you have been around the mountain man thing very long you will remember them from the early 70's.  They were an early Italian copy and fairly good representation.  My oldest son carried it off, so it now lives in GA.
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2011, 08:48:15 am »

Howdy,
I have a replica of a Browning Harmonica rifle and a Kentucky rifle in 40 cal.

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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2011, 08:59:33 am »

Currently

1. 1858 patent Remington 44
2. 1851 Colt 44
3. 1860 colt Army 44

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Lyman Great Plains 50 Caliber
Traditions Crockett  32 caliber
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2011, 10:30:27 am »

I was wondering what other folks had, or were thinking about getting, to take part in The American Plainsmen Society. Before TAPS came along, I wasn't really focused on a specific persona. My character was a plainsman from the late 1860s to mid-1870s -- a Kansas to the Northern Plains hunter, scout, trader. I had a Spencer carbine, a rolling block buffalo rifle, and a brace of Richard-Mason Navy conversions. Now I want to go earlier. I've got a Lyman Plains rifle to start with, but I'm not sure where to go with my handguns. A pair of single-shot muzzle loaders would take me all the way back to 1840, if that's what I wanted to do. Or a couple of '51 Navies ...

As long as you have the Lyman rifle you might look at their pistols in the same caliber.  I did, and they're just what the doctor ordered...in my case.

I also have a pair of 1860 Army revolvers in .44 and a fine Ethan Allen double barrel single trigger .36 pistol by Hoppes.
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2011, 11:06:44 am »

I carry a Lyman Great Plains .50 and a pair of '51 Navies. I have a .50 percussion dueling pistol as well. The Lyman was factory built but I stripped all blue finish, drawfiled the modern markings off and gave it a nice deep brown all over. I also refinished the stock to a deep, hand rubbed oil finish. Looks like a custom or dare I say an original Hawken? Good set to roam the Plains with I think.

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2011, 11:41:01 am »

I have a 40 cal flintlock pistol, a 50 cal Clinch Mountain flintlock rifle, a 50 cal Traditions Trapper pistol, a 50 cal Traditions Pennsylvania rifle, a 54 cal (actually 53 cal) Santa Fe Uberti Hawken, a 44 cal ASM opentop, 2 Uberti Walkers, a Pietta 44 cal Buntline Special and a Uberti 44 cal Cattleman Carbine. WM
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2011, 11:43:21 am »

Howdy!
 
For a character in the early to mid-1850's (in California like the central gold fields or Los Angeles; probably the same for Texas as well); a Hawken in 50 caliber, and a colt Dragoon. (Don't forget a large bowie type blade!)
I can't imagine someone who was putting themselves in serious situations going without a Dragoon, if they had access to one.  Yes, they're heavy and weren't originally made for belt carry, but having carried and shot one, I wouldn't want anything in a smaller caliber instead.  (Remember the saying about 'comforting' vs 'comfortable'?) Besides, when it was empty, you could always bludgeon someone with it...Have a '51 Navy colt as well; might use that as townie carry, or back up to the Dragoon if going someplace expecting real trouble.
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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2011, 12:16:43 pm »

Howdy,
I have a replica of a Browning Harmonica rifle and a Kentucky rifle in 40 cal.

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Colt

WHERE IS THE COLOUR ME JEALOUS EMOTICON?Huh?   I would love a Harmonica Rifle!!!!!
I kind of based my perosona of a mid 60s missouri boy heading west to get out of the borderwar.   I have 2 1860 Colts, 2 1851 Navy Colts, 1 Remmington and a Henry Rifle.   
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2011, 12:34:18 pm »

Colt Fanning brought the Harmonica gun to our NCOWS shoot.  What a hoot to watch.  It is pretty slow and I think you might want a mountain howitzer carriage to carry it around but it was way fun.  Colt is always bringing something cool to shoot.
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 12:40:19 pm »

The Panhandle Plains Historical Society Museum in Canyon, Texas has a lot of neat items.  If any of yall every go thru the Amarillo area it is worth the half a day or day to stop and see. 

They have a half stock plains rifle that belonged to Charles Goodnight.  It is fairly late to our period but pre-Civil War. 
The rifle has a back action lock and appears to be about .54 Cal.

 Do any of you know of a source for a rifle of this nature other than the Tryon sold by Dixie?

Another rifle that I think would be good for this period would be a Leman. 

The only source I know of for this one is Tennessee Valley Muzzleloaders.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2011, 04:55:30 pm »

Colt Fanning brought the Harmonica gun to our NCOWS shoot.  What a hoot to watch.  It is pretty slow and I think you might want a mountain howitzer carriage to carry it around but it was way fun.  Colt is always bringing something cool to shoot.

I happen to have a full scale Mountain Howitzer that I could be talked in to parting with. Smiley
[It fits the Plainsman time period.  They were in the US arsenal form 1836-1890.]

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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2011, 05:36:33 pm »

I carry a Lyman Great Plains .50 and a pair of '51 Navies. I have a .50 percussion dueling pistol as well. The Lyman was factory built but I stripped all blue finish, drawfiled the modern markings off and gave it a nice deep brown all over. I also refinished the stock to a deep, hand rubbed oil finish. Looks like a custom or dare I say an original Hawken? Good set to roam the Plains with I think.

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I bought my Great plains about 1975-1976 and the first thing I did was strip and brown it and replace the sights.  I now has a silver blade front in a copper base and a cast iron FULL buckhorn of the old style.  I put about 200 brass nails...not tacks but 3/32"headed nails on it to personalize it.  The stock is as issued, a dark honey with wonderful figure enhance by a semi-annual rubbing with Virginaville wax.  I have no idea what I'll do if I run out because I haven't seen it for sale in almost 30 years.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2011, 06:16:04 pm »

I do an impression as a member of the Los Angeles Rangers (ca. 1854-1857) as well as a Nicaraguan Filibuster.
  • I carry a custom made .54 Hawkins pattern rifle.
    2nd generation Navy Six with squared trigger guard.
    Silver-handled bowie with 9" blade.
    Original bone handled "Bowie" pattern bag knife.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2011, 11:28:25 pm »

This turned out to be a fun thread. Cool photos, Tsalagidave. You need to become a member. (Of course, that applies to the rest of you who haven't joined yet, too.)

Forty Rod -- It had slipped my mind that Lyman also made a pistol. Good idea. I think I'll eventually end up with at least one single-shot pistol for very early, and a brace of revolvers for later. I've been looking at 1851 Navies locally, but all I've found so far are .44s, and I want a correct caliber. We've got the annual Fort Bridger (WY) rendezvous coming up over Labor Day weekend. This year I'll have a few more items to look for.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2011, 08:34:03 am »

I normally spend Labor Day weekend hunting doves, but I am going to put Fort Bridger on my calendar for next year.
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2011, 11:26:20 am »

This is a real interesting thread.  I might have some guns to fit in.  I have an old fashioned style rifle.  a .50 cal Traditions Deerslayer.  It is a sidelock with a half stock that looks like it was carved out of a 2x4 with a plastic ramrod but it shoots rounjdball real well and isn't too heavy to carry.  I also have 3 Pietta remington new army .44 revolvers.  (they keep following me home). 
have a hand made belt knife that I can shave with and use as a mirror. 
now I would just need to add some pre 1860 clothes and a good story to go with it all.
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« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2011, 09:48:22 pm »

Tascosa Joe -- Fort Bridger is a trader's rendezvous -- lots of vendors and tons of tourists. They have shooting, but it isn't a big part of the event. A lot, if not most, of the local shooters attend the Fort Buenaventura Labor Day rendezvous in Ogden, Utah. I haven't been to Bridger to camp in years, but if you make it up here next year, I'll be there.

Bow View Haymaker -- Tell me more about your rifle. I did a search on Traditions Deerslayer and couldn't find anything. I'm curious.

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« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2011, 11:23:21 pm »

I was wrong. It's a Traditions "Deerhunter"  Case solor onthe sideplate and the octogon barrel.  Plastic sights,butplate and ramrod. 
It isfar from historicly accurate but looks ok from a distance and shoots well.
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2011, 10:42:04 am »

Bow View -- That's a good looking deer rifle (great reviews, too), but unfortunately it isn't period correct, which is what we're striving for here. If you ever get a chance to pick up a historically accurate rifle -- wooden ramrod, fixed iron (or brass, silver, or copper) sights, no plastic, correct silhouette, etc., we'd love to have you.

We probably need to come up with a list of firearms that fit the 1840 to 1865 period. I'd hate for someone who wants to get involved with TAPS to buy a gun that doesn't fit the period. A good choice would be a Lyman Plains Rifle, but I know there are others out there.

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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2011, 10:57:37 am »

As I was looking at it more last night I began thinking that it wouldn't be to hard to replace the plastic parts with correct iron or brass.  Sights, buttplate, trigger gard and ramrod and guide.  The basic design seems to be there.  I know the varients of the time were many.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2011, 11:50:58 am »

BVW:  Years ago I had something similiar.  I exchanged the sights for a Track of the Wolf Buckhorn rear and a brass and german silver front.  Reshaped the forearm and attached a poured nose cap and it worked out pretty well.    Wooden ram rod.  I ground the spur off of the trigger guard and we have a short rifle that is beginning to look right.  It will do for a start.
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2011, 12:18:41 pm »

Reshaping the forearm to get the ramrod closer to the barrel would be needed, too. I don't know how the thimble currently attaches to the barrel, but I've never seen a ramrod hang so far below the bottom flat.
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2011, 08:07:33 am »

   I have been thinking about our future, and it looks good! Wonder what everybody thinks about guns for shoots once we start getting together (postal or in person). Period correct rifle is a given but 1 pistol ?, 2 pistols ?, scattergun ? Most Plainsmen probably wouldn't have bothered with a scattergun. Distances on the Plains are too great. However, this time also includes wagon train emmigrants  and '49ers both of which could have carried shotguns. Carrying 2 pistols (or more) was a common practice with cap and ball revolvers but the more guns we require, the more we become like the other groups. Since we are NOT timing ourselves, it gives us more latitude when it comes to reloading.This levels the playing field between revolvers and single shot pistols. I like that. It becomes more realistic and historically accurate. This also allows a person to carry the firearms that he feels is appropriate for his personna and still be able to compete. Another bonus!
   Also, I realize that we are The American Plains---'MEN' Society. Does that mean that we are a 'men only' group or do we include any woman who wants what we want from the sport. Personally, I believe that we should include anyone regardless of sex to join as long as they are willing to strive for the levels of authenticity that the rest of us seek. In fact, our time period was the era when non-native women began arriving in the West in numbers. This would also allow family involvement, again keeping authenticity levels in mind.
   I am sure many of you feel the same way but if not let's discuss the pro's and con's of these issues. My only concern is that we remain dedicated to the concept of HISTORIC ACCURACY. We all want to have fun but we should not sacrifice authenticity ito do so. I don't want to sound like a Thread-counting  Nazi. I just believe that it is easier (and cheaper in the long run ) to do the research and do things right the first time. Too often I have seen the "it's close enough" and "if they had it they would have used it" mind set ruin a good thing. I don't want TAPS to fall into it.
   I don't want to offend anyone or seem 'elitist'. The farthest thing from my mind. I just figure if we are going to do this, we might as well do it right. Thanks fer listening.

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