1911 Pattern Pack

[will ghormley]

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With the completion of the Apache Boot pattern, I started on the 1911 pattern pack today.

My first holster was to simulate the spotted cowboy holster in Packin' Iron.  While I liked the over all effect of that holster, there were some design choices with it I wouldn't have made.  So, I decided that rather than duplicating it, I would make it the way I wanted it to be made in the first place.

So, I labored along all day, drawing, tweaking, and re-drawing the pattern.  I finally stopped for supper.  When I came back to it in the evening, I looked at the tolerances I had incorporated, (bearing in mind it is lined), and decided the slide would rack while being shoved into the holster.  So, I just re-drew the entire dimensions with the competitive shooter in mind.  A much roomier holster now.

Since I don't own any such modern weapon as the 1911, I've been using a toy gun Dalton Masterson has loaned me.  I'm workin' on a deal to trade for a Cimarron 1911 to use in the photos and such.  I would much rather be doin' this with the real weapon, but the toy has the same basic dimensions.  It will do until I get the real deal.

The pattern pack is goin' to be strong on cowboy holsters.  It will also include simplifications of the military belt and shoulder holsters.  They will look basically the same, (except for hardware), but will be built with simplicity.  I'll also include modern carry holsters and a modern shoulder holster offset by spare mag bags.  There will also be slip-on mag pouches for the belt.

That's the plan anyway.  It may change as the actual patterns come into being.  I'm pretty excited about the spotted cowboy holster.  I'll have to post that as soon as I have it done.  If I don't have my Cimarron by then, you boys'll have to enjoy gawkin' Dalton's toy gun.  I think I'll also build a "How-To" webpage for each holster for those who are just startin' out.

Will

[mtgelaude]

That sounds great will.  You do this, and I could be the first one in line to get the pattern    I would love to be able to see a pattern for a 1911, and would really like to be able to see a western 1911 holster patern.  Good luck, I can't wait to see.

[DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM]

That sounds great will.  You do this, and I could be the first one in line to get the pattern   I would love to be able to see a pattern for a 1911, and would really like to be able to see a western 1911 holster patern.  Good luck, I can't wait to see.

If it's like this one I'm second.
 

[GunClick Rick]

I want one of those for my old Luger with two clips...I like the one i have but having another would be cool with that old west look

[will ghormley]

Nice rig there Rick!

Yeah Deadeye, that's the holster I'm workin' on right now.  It will have the same "look", but I'm changin' it some to suite my design sensibilities. 

Will

[DUKE DEADEYE NUKEM]

Nice rig there Rick!

Yeah Deadeye, that's the holster I'm workin' on right now.  It will have the same "look", but I'm changin' it some to suite my design sensibilities.  

Will

How about an matching double mag pouch too?    

[Ten Wolves Fiveshooter]

    Will, we will be looking forward to seeing your new pattern, and you picked a great design also.


                  tEN wOLVES 

[Dave54]

Hi Wil
How did the M1916 assemble go?
Dave

[will ghormley]

Hey Dave,

I'm goin' to copy all the parts to patterns.  However, for this pattern pack to be marketable to Tandy, it has to utilize hardware Tandy sells.  So, what I make for this pattern pack will be a simplification of the military gear.  I'll use the actual military pieces to "simulate" a military looking holster.  Later, I'll try to put together accurate military patterns with hardware packages.

Will

[Dave54]

Cool wil

Let me know if I can help in anyway!

Dave

[Blackey Cole]

Will, I have a blue(it is really black) Colt 1911A1  I can loan you if you will give me the pattern pack and include a 3 slot pancake holster in it.  If interested call me at 5754300139(Mtn Time) and we can work out the arrangements.

[Dalton Masterson]

Will,
You dont happen to have plans to reproduce those conchos do you? I have been looking for a nice set like the Frazier ones, but have had no luck yet.

DM

PS, Definately put me down on the list for a pattern pack.

[Marshal Will Wingam]

That'll be a great pattern pack. Looking forward to seeing it.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre]

Will,
You dont happen to have plans to reproduce those conchos do you? I have been looking for a nice set like the Frazier ones, but have had no luck yet.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=37098.0;attach=33336;image

DM

PS, Definately put me down on the list for a pattern pack.

Those conchos appear to be the same ones Tandy has. Pretty cheap, too. Unless you're talking about different conchos. If so, never mind.

[Dalton Masterson]

The Frazier conchos are not the same as the cheap Tandy ones. They appear to be silver, and the pattern is a little different.
The ones on my 1911 rig are the plated brass ones from Tandy.
DM

[will ghormley]

Hey Dalton,

There aren't any plans on duplicating the conchos.  I won't even be duplicating the holster, just makin' one along the same lines.  The one I'm laying out will use Tandy's plain slotted conchos in 1" and 1 1/4" sizes.  Any other concho of the same size can be substituted.  Or different size ones, but they won't line up with the rest of the spot pattern on the holster.

The spotted holster I'll be laying out is made of 9-10 oz. leather with pigskin lining.  The spotted holster in the photo is a lighter leather and has a slimmer profile.

Will

[Rossmaker]

The Frazier conchos are not the same as the cheap Tandy ones. They appear to be silver, and the pattern is a little different.
The ones on my 1911 rig are the plated brass ones from Tandy.
DM

Dalton, You may want to take a look at www.dangerousthreadzinc.com they have some great conchos you may find what your looking for. They are really good quality also I've ordered quite a few from there.

[GunClick Rick]

http://www.buffalobrothers.net/conchos/conchos_17.htm

I have a few of them.Not real heavy but not thin either.

[will ghormley]

Got the first two proto-types done today.  Posted pics on what will be my 1911 webpage.  You can see the finished protos at this link:

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/1911.html

I made the spotted holster roomy for those who shoot race-guns with large sights.  Don't know if I like the bulker look.  What do you guys think?  With the small original military sights, you don't need much room in there.  But, any kind of modern sight is goin' to get pokey if the pouch is too tight.

Fishin' for sugestions.

Will

[knucklehead]

beautiful work will.  cant wait for the patterns to be available

[Dalton Masterson]

Will, I think the bulky look is fine. Its not that noticeable to me, especially with all the other things going on with the design.

Good job!
DM

[mtgelaude]

I actually like the tooled one on the right.  Of course, I like the entire look of the one on the right more than the left.  I do not know how hard it would be to "slim down" one pattern, but I prefer a good fit with not too much extra.  Just my two bits.....oh, did I say I love those rigs.  But I really like the one on the left.  Great work.

Matt

[Rossmaker]

Amazing job Will! I love both patterns they turned out awesome! I don't think the bulk of the spotted holster takes anything away from the look at all. Great designs all the way around.

[Slowhand Bob]

They look very good Will, the one with the cut away trigger guard would be very popular with the competitive shooters.  As to the extra volume included for weird trigger guards and sight sets, it would be a simple matter to add the fix or two for those with standard guns.  First the space would allow room for a heavy liner to be used where desired.  A second fix would be the addition of a pair of parallel dotted lines running down the fold area of the pattern with instructions on how to remove this strip to snug the holster if desired.  I think that 3/8" to 1/2" strip would go a fair ways without impacting the spot/concho pattern to terribly.

A thought on the military pattern, I like your idea on the close facsimile more so than trying to acheive a perfect clone to the original.  I am sure some would disagree but I think looks good is close enough for ninety percent or more of your market.  I, for one, will be patiently waiting to place my order! 

[Boothill Bob]

Lovely Will. Cant wait to get my dirty hands on the pattern