Rossi 1892 or Uberti 1866/1873

[Popa Kapoff]

I'm new to cas and want to get a lever gun the Rossi is at at a good price range but I want to have a short stroke kit put in it I've read two threads on the Rossi/Puna and they said the the kit was pretty much waste because it was not a big improvement. I played with one at a dealer it felt well OK but not great little chunky and stiff. I guess a little polishing will fix that. Is the Rossi made by Puma or the other way around.


Now I was think of the Uberti in either 1866 or 1873. Should I just save up or just throw down the $450 for the Rossi and get it slick up. I was thinking of getting the Long Hunter prepared gun $1200.
 One of the guys in my club said the are so trick out that they break easy is that true.
 I'm a fireman and will break anything that not a block of steel.(well I'll dent that some too)

[Pay Dirt Norvelle]

I don't know about the Uberti, but I have a 1892 Rossi that had an action job by Nate Kiowa Jones and it came out great!

[Major 2]

A goodly (high) percentage shooting SASS will tell you ....get the 73 or 66

The Puma is used but not to the numbers of the Toggle bolt actions....
You have to ask yourself.... " am I in the game to aspire to be the next CAS Champion ? If speed is your Huckleberry then you want the Toggle bolts.

Do they break ? given they are cycled way faster and fired way more the design was intended, I say they are darn reliable.
Yes they break, (usually springs) but easily repaired.

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[joec]

I don't know about the Uberti, but I have a 1892 Rossi that had an action job by Nate Kiowa Jones and it came out great!

I also have a Rossi with the Nate Kiowa Jones action job but done from the video by a local gun smith. All I can say is I'm very happy with both the gun and the choice of local gunsmiths. I bought mine new in the box for $418 at Bud's, + the price of the Jones Kit with DVD and $40 to the local gunsmith to do the work.

[Popa Kapoff]

It looks like speed is my Huckleberry. But price is the big issue right now money tite is it worth save or get the Rossi and keep it as a backup.

[Major 2]

It looks like speed is my Huckleberry. But price is the big issue right now money tite is it worth save or get the Rossi and keep it as a backup.

Given your parameters ..then here is the thing...

Money's the motivator here

$418 + tax to $450 for the Rossi and say a more common Smith charge of $75-100 so your shooting say @ $550
fair enough....
If then speed is your quest and cost is an issue then lets say you chose 38 Spl....
Rossi's can be temperamental is 38 Spl... keeping in mind they are chambered for 357.

Now if you hit the lottery down the road or mad cash comes your way and you buy a 73 or 66
you have good backup in the 92....nice to have a backup  

All that said, I say get the 92...and you're shooting now !

but if you can resist the temptation and save a little while (I just bought a 73 LNIB for $825)

It boils down to pays your money and take your choice....I went the 73  

BTW mine is a 44 spcl...and shoots GREAT

[Pettifogger]

Depends on what you want to do with the Rossi.  First, you reference some threads on Rossi short stroke kits.  There are NO short stroke kits for the Rossi or any of the 92 clones.  Second, no matter what you do to it, it will never be as fast as a 73 can be run.  Reliable?  The 73 design is dead simple in operation and even with stroke stroke kits installed it is more reliable than the 92 design.  92's are great beginners guns for people that are new to CAS and if the shooter is just a mid-pack shooter it may be all they ever need.  However, if your goal is SPEED then save your money for a 66 or 73.  NO top shooter uses a 92.  Some one may pipe in and say their brother-in-law just came in third in their category at the Iowa quarter sectional shoot.  When you look at the data that was third out of a field of three.  Again, NO top shooter uses a 92.

[joec]

Depends on what you want to do with the Rossi.  First, you reference some threads on Rossi short stroke its.  There are NO short stroke kits for the Rossi or any of the 92 clones.  Second, no matter what you do to it, it will never be as fast as a 73 can be run.  Reliable?  The 73 design is dead simple in operation and even with stroke stroke kits installed it is more reliable than the 92 design.  92's are great beginners guns for people that are new to CAS and if the shooter is just a mid-pack shooter it may be all they ever need.  However, if your goal is SPEED then save your money for a 66 or 73.  NO top shooter uses a 92.  Some one may pipe in and say their brother-in-law just came in third in their category at the Iowa quarter sectional shoot.  When you look at the data that was third out of a field of three.  Again, NO top shooter uses a 92.

Now that may be completely true as I shoot in NCOWS which doesn't allow short strokes or quick draw. Different game different rules. At my age speed isn't an option however the only thing I find wrong is your comment about reliable Uberti or Rossi should both be reliable period otherwise get rid of them and buy another gun.

[Popa Kapoff]

Anyone have a link or number for Nate Kiowa Jones.
Thanks

[joec]

Anyone have a link or number for Nate Kiowa Jones.
Thanks

Here is his front page http://www.stevesgunz.com/

Here is the kit I got http://store.stevesgunz.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6&products_id=7

[Popa Kapoff]

Thanks to everyone I pull the trigger and put a down payment on mine 92 today. The gun felt pretty smooth but I will get it slick up It will do me just fine.

I've been barrowing a rifle each time I shoot and I didn't feel right shooting my reload out of someone else gun so I've been buy factory loads at $44+tax a box. I'll pay for the rifle in 10 shoots not haven to buy factory loads.

[Holden A. Grudge]

I think you made a good choice.  I started with a Rossi 92 that I already had but ended up spending about $100 to get it slicked up and I have yet to be able to shoot faster than that gun. (I am a definite middle of the pack shooter)

That being said, I have been saving up and just bought a slicked up 73 so now I have the best of both worlds. 

The Rossi will serve you well.  If the time comes that you start to outrun the gun you can upgrade but for cost effective starters it is a great gun.

[Dances With Coyotes]

A LEE gunsmithing Rossi 92 spring kit was the best $15 I've spent. Got it from Brownells. Theres videos on youtube that show you how to put it in and while you've got everything apart it's a good time to do a little stoning.

[Three Fingered Fred]

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The 73 design is dead simple in operation and even with stroke stroke kits installed it is more reliable than the 92 design.

More reliable--nope, my HKJ Hartford (Rossi) 45LC has not missed a lick in 6 years.

Faster--yep, my new 45LC Beretta Renegade is being worked on by Jim Bowie. 

[Popa Kapoff]

Well she's all mine so now how the hell do you get rid of that safety on top. I've been told that it will screw up in the heat of battle so take it off. Is this easy to do.




Yes" I know take of a safety off is stupidly not safe, but the gun has a safety just lower the hammer and crack the lever."

[Old Top]

Poppa,

I beleive on Nat's web site he shows how to remove the safety, has a fix for it, or he can do the work.

Old Top

[Popa Kapoff]

Poppa,

I beleive on Nat's web site he shows how to remove the safety, has a fix for it, or he can do the work.

Old Top

Thanks.  I got to say that this gun is slick already that why I took this rifle it was the best out of ten or so I looked at.  I might order the Lee spring kit and try it. But Im going to polish up the action alittle just to get any rough spots or shap egdes.

 The only thing Im unhappy with is that Rossi release the rifle in 454 Casull and no one knew about it .

[Danny Bear Claw]

In order of purchase...  I got a Rossi '92 carbine in caliber 45 Colt.  A Uberti '66 Yellow Boy rifle in caliber 44-40.  A Uberti '73 short rifle in caliber 38-40.  All are great rifles.  The Rossi came with the slickest out-of-the-box action and is the most accurate of the three.  I still own and shoot all three.   

[robtlah]

I have the new Rossi 1892 in .45 Colt as a back-up to my 1873 I enjoy shooting both rifles. The 92 is a short rifle...has great balance and very accurate. The new models are much smoother actions than the old ones.
Lawdog Bob

[Bugscuffle]

You done good with the Rossi. I have the 24" in 45 L.C. and I love it. I plan on doing the "slick job" myself with the aid of the DVD. As far as the short stroke business goes, the 92 already has a prertty short stroke and doesn't really need a kit to shorten it, and as far as your choices went, there wasn't a "bad" choice in the group, so you couldn't go far wrong!