Javascript DHTML Drop Down Menu Powered by dhtml-menu-builder.com
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
September 01, 2015, 03:18:58 pm

Login with username, password and session length

Search:     Advanced search
* Home FlashChat Help Calendar Login Register
Currently there are 0 Users in the Cas City Chat Rooms!
Cas City Forum Hall & CAS-L  |  Special Interests - Groups & Societies  |  The Winchester Model 1876 (Moderator: Grizzly Adams)  |  Topic: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] Go Down Print
Author Topic: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF  (Read 4366 times)
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2015, 07:43:06 pm »

Update:
Today we tried 5 rounds same 27gr of 5744 but no filler.
Worked great and got a 2 1/4 by 2 inch group at 50 yards.  Yay!
My friend will be loading up some more and wring it out to 100 yards next week.

That'll make a heck of a varmint rifle!
Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
hatman
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2015, 12:34:43 am »

That'll make a heck of a varmint rifle!

 Wink
Thanks for your insight and experience to get us to this point.
Logged
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2015, 07:02:10 pm »

I have an Uberti 50/95 on order so all this reloading info is great. Thanks for posting it. I am wondering about converting brass for this caliber as 3 bucks a peice for the preformed stuff is a bit rich. I have read that you can start out with 348 Winchester, 50 Alaskan, or 50/90 sharps. Has any one here made up some 50/95? What did you start with and what was your procedure?
  Also been looking at dies online and have noticed that there are dies listed for 50/95 express and for 50/95 Uberti chamber. So this means that Uberti has come up with there own chamber dimensions for the 50/95?
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2015, 08:18:52 pm »

Buckheart - Congrats on the new rifle, Yer gonna love it!

I use Jamison. 50-95 brass. Buffalo Arms has it for between $1.94 and $1.53 each depending on the quantity purchased. It's good brass and ready to load. Why bother with trying to make it from something else? I use the Uberti Ch4D dies, they work great. If I recall correctly, the shoulder of the uberti chamber is a little different. But not much.
Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2015, 06:11:37 am »

True - Just a few pennies more for the formed stuff from Buffalo arms.
What dies are you using?
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2015, 08:46:59 am »

I use the Uberti .50-95 CH4D dies.
Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2015, 07:45:35 am »

Are those CH4D dies carbide. They are 3 times the price of the RCBS legacy dies. Currently have mostly RCBS stuff and its all good. I know I'm pinching pennies here but the more I save the more I can shoot.
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2015, 11:13:00 am »

No, not carbide.  Back when I got mine 5 or 6 years ago CH4D was the only game in town.  If the RCBS dies are for the Uberti chamber, I'd buy them.
Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
hatman
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2015, 10:43:26 pm »

Well today was a very good day.
We again shot AA5744 with no filler and 350 gr 514 lead bullet at 50 yards and got a 2 inch group.
We then took it to 100 yards and got an honest 4X2 1/2" group.
We used 27 gr of AA5744 and also 27gr of the factory-loaded powder (which came in at 33 gr) with similar results.
Given that before this journey i was getting 4 foot groups at 50 yards with BA factory rounds saying I'm very happy would be an understatement.  Smiley
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2015, 06:37:47 am »

What do you mean by "factory loaded powder"? Did you pull apart some old production cartridges? Or change the bullets in the BA rounds?

I'm glad to hear that it is shooting well for you. This caliber seems to get a bad reputation for accuracy. It certainly isn't a long range cartridge. But with a little load development it can hold its own within barrel sight range. I added an authentic Riflesmith tang sight to mine. It really helps with my aging eyes.

Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2015, 06:45:32 am »

Spot on NDN. Here is a reply I got from Buffalo Arms:

 Hello, I would order the RCBS. When Uberti started making those, the chamber dimensions were different so 4D made dies to compensate. Those are only for very early Ubertiís. Thanks

 Dies and brass ordered. Have some 50/90 sharps brass on the way too. The 50/90 will give me something to fiddle with and the stuff from Buffalo Arms will get me shooting quicker.

I am not into casting yet. Any suggestions as to were to get some good cast bullets?
Logged
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2015, 07:22:18 am »

Nice picture NDN. Got one of the whole rifle?
I have another couple months to wait on the next bunch of 76's to get imported so I hear.
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2015, 08:55:59 am »

Not sure of a bullet source other than BACO.  They used to sell the Lyman 515139.  There are probably others too.  It sounds like the RCBS dies will be just fine.  Here a another view of my rifle.

Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
hatman
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 126


« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2015, 01:18:33 pm »

What do you mean by "factory loaded powder"? Did you pull apart some old production cartridges? Or change the bullets in the BA rounds?

I'm glad to hear that it is shooting well for you. This caliber seems to get a bad reputation for accuracy. It certainly isn't a long range cartridge. But with a little load development it can hold its own within barrel sight range. I added an authentic Riflesmith tang sight to mine. It really helps with my aging eyes.



Yes we (I keep saying we, but it's really my friend doing all the work) pulled the bullets off the BA rounds and inspected the powder under magnification and it looked identical to 5744.  So we loaded up 5 test rounds with 27gr of that powder and compared results with the known 5744.  Shot pretty much identical.
We're feeling confident now that we can reclaim the powder so all we have to do is pull the bullets, remold the lead 51539 mould and re-assemble.
FWIW the 300gr and 350gr BA rounds both contain 33gr of powder but with yesterday's results we'll be loading up a bunch more with 27gr and down the road experiment with loads up to 33gr.  
I originally bought 600 rounds from BA so we have plenty of reusable brass, powder, lead and primers.
ETA:  Thanks again for your help in getting my 76 to be a real shooter.

Disclaimer:  Just want to say the above info is working for my rifle and I'm not making any blanket recommendation for others.
Logged
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2015, 06:42:58 pm »

Not sure of a bullet source other than BACO.  They used to sell the Lyman 515139.  There are probably others too.  It sounds like the RCBS dies will be just fine.  Here a another view of my rifle.



Thanks Ndnchf. Going to look at that picture every so often till I get mine. Just re-watched Crossfire Trail. I might have to get a Schofield too. Wink
Logged
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2015, 06:17:59 am »

Got 50 rounds of brass and dies from Buffalo Arms. Great looking stuff although there is a slight shoulder to it which I don't see in any of the pictures of 50/95. I guess this will fire form to the chamber dimension once I start shooting it.
 Also picked up 50 rounds of 50/90 sharps. I can see that of course you have to trim it to length but am wondering how the difference in base  size will effect things. Will it matter that the 50/90 Sharps brass is .036 bigger than the base dimension of the 50/95? I am figureing that this will effect feeding and ejection. Any one have any experience re-forming cases from the Sharps to the 50/95 Exp.?

Just for knowledge sake here they are.


* 50-90 Sharps.jpg (134.96 KB, 756x606 - viewed 16 times.)

* 50-95 Winexpress.jpg (365.22 KB, 1515x886 - viewed 16 times.)
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2015, 07:26:44 am »

That's a pretty big difference in base diameter. I've never used 50-90 brass, so can't comment on how it will work. Are you expecting the. 50-95 sizing die to swage down the base to the proper dimension?
Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2015, 08:32:05 am »

That's a pretty big difference in base diameter. I've never used 50-90 brass, so can't comment on how it will work. Are you expecting the. 50-95 sizing die to swage down the base to the proper dimension?

Thinking that I might have to turn the base diameter down somehow. Don't have a mill or a metal lathe. Not really sure how exacting I can be with some kind of jury rig in my drill press.
Logged
ndnchf
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 869


Ordnance Sergeant, 3rd Regiment ANV


« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2015, 08:04:07 pm »

I've turned down bases on other cartridge conversion projects, but I have a lathe. It would be difficult to do a good job of it without one. In this case, since ready to use Jamison 50-95 brass is available, I don't think it's worth all the effort to try to make it from something else. If for some reason you can't get the jamison brass, I have some extra I can spare.
Logged

"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail
buckheart
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 9



« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2015, 05:52:19 am »

Thanks Ndnchf for your generous offer. I have some proper Jamison brass but almost 40 years in the trades has made me some one who like to tinker with things. Making up some properly demensioned brass would be a project that I might be able to pull off.
Went to a gun show this weekend and spoke to one of the regular vendors from New Hampshire who thinks he might have some Bertram brass kicking around some where.

Thanks again for your offer.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] Go Up Print 
Cas City Forum Hall & CAS-L  |  Special Interests - Groups & Societies  |  The Winchester Model 1876 (Moderator: Grizzly Adams)  |  Topic: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF « previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.075 seconds with 22 queries.