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« Reply #325 on: April 29, 2010, 09:31:29 pm »

Could be ... if you stop and think of all those kindesses that were given in the name of a cowboy uh, 'noblesse oblige', well maybe some of them thought that they were owed ...
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My moniker is my great grandfather's name. He served with the 2nd Florida Mounted Regiment in the Civil War. Afterward, he came home, packed his wife into a wagon, and was one of the first NorteAmericanos on the Frio River southwest of San Antonio ..... Kinda where present day Dilley is ...

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« Reply #326 on: August 01, 2010, 12:57:26 pm »

How short can a belduque blade be...and still be considered a belduque? I ask, because Crazy Crow Traders has one for sale, available with either a horn or bone handle, with a 5-3/4" blade. Price seems decent. I read somewhere that they are made in India, and come with a blunt edge (due to Indian export laws, supposedly), but sharpen up pretty good. But can a knife that short still be considered a "true" belduqe?
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« Reply #327 on: August 01, 2010, 01:30:38 pm »

I can't answer your question about the length, but the knives made by Windlass Cutlery of Indian for Atlanta Cutlery are pretty good.  I have several including my Army officer's saber and Marine NCO sword.  I've compared them to some of the best and they measure up quit nicely for my purposes.  Small details aren't as perfect, but I'm betting there are more NCOs and junior officers with these than with the much more expensive ones.

The smaller knives do well and take a decent edge.  I'd avoid stainless if you have a option , but I don't like stainless anyway.
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« Reply #328 on: August 02, 2010, 12:34:37 am »

I have a Crazy Crow Belduque ... and here is what I have found ...

If I was still sailing, I would drill a hole where the final rivet is, put in a hollow rivet and pass some line through it.

Pro:

*It fits comfortable in the hand, is probably a great knife for about any camp or sailing use I could thing of ....

* It is just plain handy ...

Con:

I used it on some food with an oil base like pasta salad .... it seems to have permanently left oil in the knife blade.

I have been afraid to sharpen it cause it looks like it was chromed ... and that I would but through the chrome finish if I sharpened it

Forty Rod, I would appreciate any assistance you might give on hotreat this blade and get it sharp ....
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« Reply #329 on: August 02, 2010, 10:41:50 am »

Chromed?  I haven't come across this yet.  Most of Crazy Crow's knives... but not all... are listed as carbon steel or stainless.  I haven't bought any stainless because I am simply adverse to stainless anything in the line of cutlery.

I have four small stag handled knives made in Germany in three sizes. One is a dead ringer for one my grandfather brought back from Switzerland in 1894 or 1897.  (He was there twice and I don't which trip produced the knife.)

I also have a Columbia River dagger from them.

All of these knives take and hold a decent edge, but not an excellent one.

I do have one stainless knife, an 8" stag handles Bowie by Linder of Germany, that I may have bought from them, but don't recall for sure.

I have an Atlanta Cutlery Mountain Man Bowie with a carbon steel blade that is a nice knife but it weighs a ton and is too long for my purposes, and the previously mentioned saber and sword.  They do have stainless blades, but I never meant to use them for anything other than display.

I wish I could help you with the problem, but I have never run into one like it before.

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« Reply #330 on: August 02, 2010, 11:25:55 am »

Forty Rod,

Actually you have helped quite a bit .... perhops I will send an email to Crazy Crow to find out about the knife ... It actually came quite dull, and I was thinking it was a looks only, show-an-tell, this-is-what-a-Belduque-would-look-like knife .... and other than stabbing, it is less sharp then the avereage dinner knife  ...

So I  probably interpreted it the wrong wat .... as I said, I will email Crazy Crow and find out that they have to say .... and I will let you know the results ...


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« Reply #331 on: August 02, 2010, 11:29:19 am »

P.S. It makes a great little steak knife ... I have used it in reemactments, and it is quite handy around the food prep area .... and since a Belduques gets it shape and history from Flemish/Dutch butcheer knives, I have little wonder it is so handy ....
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« Reply #332 on: August 02, 2010, 11:52:36 pm »

Went back and checked on the Linder Bowie knife.  I got it from mike Shelhart  (Temecula) at a Cowboys event in Norco.

Can't blame that one on Crazy Crow.  Roll Eyes   It's actually a pretty good knife considering it's a stainless blade.  It won't ever do to shave with or stand any hard use, but it's fair enough.
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« Reply #333 on: August 03, 2010, 12:38:33 am »

I have not heard from Crazy Crow, but I only emailed then this am.

I have the Crazy Crow Large Belduque with me right now no marks on the blade or anywhere on the knife to show who produced it ...

I tried some Never-Dull to the stains on the knife ... it took out about 90% of the stains ... and tried sharpening it with the the 'diamond sharpening stick' from my kitchen knife set and it helped a little ... I might could cut a piece of steak with it now certainly not shave ... *S*
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« Reply #334 on: August 03, 2010, 05:34:19 pm »

I had a reply from Crazy Crow when I came home today ... and I am copying it in its entirelty:

From -> djb  (188631)
These kinves are from India and per customs could not
be sharpened.  You can sharpen these blades just like
you would any other carbon steel blades.  Let us know
if we can help you with any thing else. Thanks Debbie
cust serv 800-786-6210 X116

So, although I believe I could keep the blade sharp, I think for the initial sharpening, I will send it to a blade sharpener.
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« Reply #335 on: August 03, 2010, 06:57:59 pm »

Let us know how it turns out.  You have my curiositizer working now.
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« Reply #336 on: August 04, 2010, 09:31:23 am »

Back during our time period, the Japanese Samurai were allowed to test the sharpness of their blades by beheading convicted criminals (and obnoxious peasants) legally and without retribution. Is it possible that a Californio could have met a Japanese immigrant and picked up that belief system? I'm sure it would conclusively demonstrate the quality of the blade for us, and goodness knows there are plenty of criminals (and obnoxious peasants) around that no one would miss.

Just a thought...



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« Reply #337 on: August 04, 2010, 10:26:38 am »

Kflach

I often joke that I went from a 'commie pinko' (or so I was called) to being a right leaning Democrat just by moving from South Carolina to Califonia .... *S*

So in this left leaning state where every life has meaning, no matter how miscreant, I doubt that they would have any sens of jumor about beheading anybody ...

But it is certainly an interesting thought and a temptation for sure ...*S*
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« Reply #338 on: August 04, 2010, 10:42:44 am »

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« Reply #339 on: August 09, 2010, 12:31:54 am »

Dadburnit! Smile Waddy Grin
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« Reply #340 on: August 09, 2010, 12:35:45 am »

Hey, Dark Ranger,

Before you critique the lack of a smile on my profile, better take  look at the puss on your own  *S*
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« Reply #341 on: August 09, 2010, 12:45:22 am »

Rick,

That last post looks harsh once I saw it ... it was meant to be just gentle kidding ... please consider it as such ... Thanks
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« Reply #342 on: August 09, 2010, 12:50:07 am »

Now children, let's play nice or I'll lock you Grandma's steamer trunk again.   Shocked
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« Reply #343 on: August 09, 2010, 09:40:39 am »

FYI,

Since the knife was pretty unsharpened, I took it to a place that sharpens table saw blades & such ... cost me $5.00 to have both the normally sharpened edge made sharp and the other side sharpened  ... now I can keep it up now that it has an edge on it .... but I think it was well worth the sharpening cost ....

The Belduque I had made I more or less measure so that the blade and scabbard would fit in the space between the knee and ankle, since that was where they were often worn ... look at the right foreleg in the rider in the pic ...


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« Reply #344 on: August 09, 2010, 01:09:40 pm »

His right foreleg is twirling the lassoo. It's his right hindleg carrying the belduqe.
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« Reply #345 on: August 09, 2010, 04:27:22 pm »

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« Reply #346 on: August 09, 2010, 05:32:13 pm »

Elderly Kid,

Point taken ... *S*

But if you blow the picture up, you will see the grips of his knife coming out of his 'Bota de Alas', or litterally 'boot wings'.

These were worn the way a NorteAmericano would wear chaps; and the Belduques was the size of a small machete' and would be tucked into the Botas in a way that it could be accessed quickly

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« Reply #347 on: August 09, 2010, 09:39:01 pm »

Great picture,  But..... only a crazy man goes after a Grizzly bear with a horse and a rope!!  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #348 on: August 10, 2010, 12:46:31 am »

I didn't say that some of their habits weren't a little... unusual ... but bear hunting with four or five riders and ropes was considered a sport ... and as a rule, they distained rifles or pistols ... as in this painting ...
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« Reply #349 on: August 10, 2010, 10:41:39 am »

Great picture,  But..... only a crazy man goes after a Grizzly bear with a horse and a rope!!  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Heard about a cowboy who roped a grizzly one time.

Found himself in a terrible fix:  He couldn't hold on and didn't dare let go.  Shocked

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