Merwin, Hulbert & Co revolvers

[hawkeye2]

So when they find bigfoot he'll be packing a new made M&H.

[RickB]

Sad to say but I believe more in Bigfoot than I do I M&H at this point in time.   

[CRM]

Thank you fowler.

Charlie

[fowler]

  For now I am packing a brace of 1872 uberti Open top Colts in 45 Colt. Soon I will add the M-H for hide out.  Big foot packs a old M-H too . The finest western handgun ever made!

[CRM]

Maybe Big Foot does carry the M+H but he was not wearing it this morning.
I saw him over at Cabela's, and he is hoping to get his picture taken with Hawkeye and some of these other boys.

[yeti76620]

Maybe Big Foot does carry the M+H but he was not wearing it this morning.
I saw him over at Cabela's, and he is hoping to get his picture taken with Hawkeye and some of these other boys.

Which Cabela's is the Cuz' at now?!

Yeti

[fowler]

  Well gents my order has been in since August 2011 with a $550 deposit of commitment for the finest western handgun that will ever be made. Merwin &Hulbert will be in my hand and holster pards. He -Haw!!!!

[Professor Marvel]

Greetings Dear Readers , here is some info For your further reading entertainment:

Let us begin with a brief recap of the Merwin & Hulbert Replica Company, without too much refernce to the current
ummm .... dissolution and reconfiguration of the "corporate structure"
This is what I have been able to glean from old forums, links, etc.

The website /http://merwinhulbertco.com/ "existed" as early as 2004 but only showed a "Go-Daddy" place holder until
© 2007 Merwin Hulbert & Co.

the original website was opened sometyime in  2007  and had several discussions in the forums.

 Jan 2008:
The website as we knew it appeared at least by Jan 2008
We first see signs of activity ~ Oct 2008 on their original website, taking "subscription orders" and non-refundable deposits.

December 2008:
The online order system went live ~ December 2008 and discussion on various Cowboy forums began...

2009:
Ads in various magazines, orders taken. Only image available was a CAD image.
many promises, much beating of chests regarding integrity and honor

Mid 2010:
shipping was "supposed to " occurr sometime in 2010,
by October,  M&H was going to have working examples at Shot Show 2011 and start shipping by July
still not even one example of a working prototype
Only image of a revolver is still the CAD image
The Beating Of Chests continues.

Jan 2011
No pistols at the shotshow
by November, CAS City members were posting "Well, it's been 1 year to the date when they said the guns would be delivered"
by the end of the year2011 cell phone photos of a handful of proto parts were shown.
still no completed revolver.

Jan 2012
No appearance at the Shot Show

Sometime in February- March, dissolution begins.

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Now for
"Just The Facts"
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Here are some published docs and Newspaper articles:
From
http://www.douglas-budget.com/glenrock/article_d3628d36-7a8f-11e1-8d4b-001a4bcf887a.html
Posted: Friday, March 30, 2012 11:43 am | Updated: 10:25 am, Thu Apr 5, 2012.
snip:
"In contrast, the new agreement with Sharps will give the option to purchase for the same price of $750,000 after only three years on the condition that the company employ only eight people for a 12 month period. The company’s monthly rent payments will be applied toward the purchase price if the company elects to do so, but the option to purchase is only available during the initial seven year lease term which goes into effect May 1, 2012, ending April 30, 2019.

Council has agreed to CEO Kevin Tierney’s request to defer rent payments for six months, allowing him time to gain investors and equity. After six months, it was agreed that Tierney will not only pay the town for the six months of deferred rent, utilities and property taxes, but he will make an advance payment on the next six months of rent as well."
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Here are the lease details:
http://www.glenrock.org/vertical/sites/%7BA6FCC76E-AB91-4180-9161-6D53BC40A04C%7D/uploads/Sharps_Lease_Agreement.pdf

For details of the new company look here
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/documents/DocIndex.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/documents/Execsummary.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/what.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/principals.html
http://www.truthisbinary.com/Sharp/facility.html

It appears to me that  everything is based on obtaining the new funding.
If you fill out the nondisclosure agreement, it appears you will be granted access to some further details.

then read these:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87204011/Merwin-Hulbert-Memorandum-3-28-12

Snips:
3.It is specifically planned, budgeted and in the process of being executed that Merwin will begin making
the New Merwin Hulbert ‘Pocket Army’ Revolver as soon as funding is complete. The first production prototype parts
are being made now and finished production prototypes are soon to be scheduled for testing at an independent
ballistics laboratory.Certain members of the Gun Writers community are also scheduled to receive these production
prototypes for their own testing.
...

5.By way of this writing it should be understood that if you deposited monies with the, now defunct, “old Merwin Company”
for a Merwin Hulbert Revolver at the original then advertised price,your order will be honored. Merwin will not be able to
deliver any configuration or caliber other than the barrel lengths or caliber mentioned in number 3 above.The new
Company has what it believes to be a complete set of records of orders and deposits taken.
...
11.The first production guns will be shipped to those that made deposits in the order that they  were taken. New orders will
be taken as soon as production begins and an announcement to that effect will be posted to the soon-to-bere-launched web site. Pricing for new orders will also be posted at that time and it should be understood that the new pricing will not resemble the old.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/87203859/Sharps-Rifle-Company-Inc-Introduction-Document
dated March15, 2012
snips:
Mr. Tierney and Mr. Martin have completed the necessary documentation in order to raise the $1,300,000 in investment
inSharps Rifle Company, Inc. and have begun making presentations to potential investors.Once the necessary capital
has been secured by the new Sharps Rifle Company, Inc., Mr. Tierney and Mr. Martin will immediately implement
Phase I of the business plan and begin the production,sale andshipmentof the Merwin Hulbert revolvers andthe Sharps
Relia-Bolt from its facility inGlenrock, WY.


Imprtant Snips From the above Sharps Rifle doco dated March 28, 2012 :
" ... will begin making  the New Merwin Hulbert ‘Pocket Army’ Revolver as soon as funding is complete."
" The first production prototype parts are being made now..."

Conjecture:
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- I see no commitments to any dates, except for payback of the 6months deferred lease the Glenrock, WY.
- It appears that Sharps Rifle has 6 months from the date of the lease agreement to secure above funding and pay back the
     6 months deffered rent  or they default on the lease and forfit their equipment
- It appears that no work would begin until the initial $1.3 mill investment is secured.
- since there is no funding yet, and it appears that production will not start until the funding is secured, most production tooling & parts most likely do not yet exist
- We have not yet seen any photos of any completed or operational prototypes, thus it is uncertain how far along or functional they may be.

If all goes well, and the required investor funding is obtained, production might start 6 months (or after) from the start of lease (May 1, 2012) altho the only commitment on paper appears to be the payback of the deferred lease. This is based on the above
Sharp's Rifle doc " ... will begin making  the New Merwin Hulbert ‘Pocket Army’ Revolver as soon as funding is complete."

The rest is not "committments" so much as "plans".
 
Shipment of Production firearms would also depend on
- Hiring new staffing (since everyone has been let go),
- the bugs worked out of the 5 hand assembled prototypes (for which we have only seen some loose parts),
- Production tooling acquisition/setup,
- Training of new Production Manufacturing Staff, QA staff, and Repair Staff
- the transition of the bug-free "prototype" into production

Read the doco, draw your own conclusions

good luck to all involved.

yhs
prof marvel

[DJ]

None of the Bigfoot photos I have seen show him wearing a gunbelt or shoulder holster. 

Do you suppose he carries his Pocket Army in an inside-the-pants holster?

[RickB]

One heck of a write up professor.  I'm not seeing too much there that would make me want to send them one red cent if my money.  I'll stick with my schofields and colt clones. At least they aren't made of smoke,  promises and dreams.  To me that makes them the best damn guns money can buy. 

[Professor Marvel]

Ah My Good RickB -

I am getting older and grumpier, and fickle in my consumer habits:

- I do not want to buy anything unless they are in full prodction and has passed the 1 year "litmus test" & shakeout.

- I want to be able to see  several of the item in a showcase, select the one I like out of the lot, drop my cash on the counter, and walk away with it in my hands.

- I want to see a fully stocked & operational warrenty & repair facility with well trained & competant staff

- When delivery times are stated, I expect them to be met.

I *do not* want to have to buy 1 to use and 2 junkers for parts. Been there too often as an exuberant youth.

When hard and direct questions are asked of the manufacturor, I *do not* want to hear hyberbole, diversions, snake oil, or "chest beatings" regard their integrity - those are indicative of "bad news".  I want direct answers to direct questions.

As an informed consumer I do not consider these things too much to ask for, and If I do not get them I will not have confidence in the vendor, and will vote will my dollars by taking my money elsewhere. I do not think it much of a hardship to do so, and at worst, I only risk not being the "only one on the block" to have whatever toy that may be.

In my zealous pursuit of hard facts, I am perfectly willing to share my findings.

yhs
prof marvel

[fowler]

   No orders taken till production is in full swing. Over 1100 are preorderd. These will be top notch,top drawer pistols not Uberti,s or lesser brands. I will have one in my hand soon and thats this year Gents.  These cost alot to make and I would not be supprized if they sell close to $1500.

[Deadeye Don]

   No orders taken till production is in full swing. Over 1100 are preorderd. These will be top notch,top drawer pistols not Uberti,s or lesser brands. I will have one in my hand soon and thats this year Gents.  These cost alot to make and I would not be supprized if they sell close to $1500.

So at $550.00 a pop for "preordering" that would be $605,000 at least to a company for a product that has yet to see one finished gun?  WOW.

[River City John]

At this point I think his multiple forum posts are just to push buttons and sit back and enjoy the rise he's getting out of all the responses.

The year is one quarter gone. They haven't even begun to tool up.
There will never be 1,100 revolvers delivered this year.

RCJ

[Deadeye Don]

At this point I think his multiple forum posts are just to push buttons and sit back and enjoy the rise he's getting out of all the responses.

The year is one quarter gone. They haven't even begun to tool up.
There will never be 1,100 revolvers delivered this year.

RCJ

A Troll on CAS city....say it isnt so!!   

[St. George]

A troll?

Maybe even a shill - searching for the 'true believer' who'll bite on any hare-brained scheme, since they're still short of operating capital, tools and experienced workers, and if the $550.00 deposits of 1100 folks aren't enough to get that ball rolling, well, now...

'The finest western handgun that will ever be made' - interesting, since back in the day, pretty much every manufacturer eclipsed it, filling holsters with Colts and Smith & Wessons and Remingtons.

Scouts Out!

[Short Knife Johnson]

My guess would be low-level Trollsmanship.  Just judging from the lack of informed content of fowler's 22 posts as of yet, terrible spelling, punctuation, and general use of the Queen's English.  A shill would have a smoother approach, and may even have at least spelled "Merwin, Hulbert and Co." correctly.  

Will have to agree with the observation that MH's would have to be the finest works ever made though.  The example I currently own - a Medium frame .32 in near mint condition - in my first hand opinion, blows anything I've ever seen out of the water.  Other full size Merwins I've been fortunate to handle have the same standard of excellence.  Just because more holsters were filled with Colts, Smiths, and Remingtons doesn't mean they were inferior.  Price point and brand recognition have always been the name of the game.  



Oh yes... I almost forgot.    HEE HAW!!!

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I think we will have to wait for the THIRD INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION;

http://www.economist.com/node/21552901

The likely use of printing technology to manufacture mechanical devices in the future will make items like the Merwin, Hulbert a commonplace.  There was a recent thread in the Spencer Shooting Society on this technology.

It is more likely than scientists being able to create new species like the Chupacabra so we can have a stylish way of packing said Xerox copy of the MH.

[Harley Starr]

I think we will have to wait for the THIRD INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION;

http://www.economist.com/node/21552901

The likely use of printing technology to manufacture mechanical devices in the future will make items like the Merwin Hulbert a commonplace.  There was a recent thread in the Spencer Shooting Society on this technology.

It is more likely than scientists being able to create new species like the Chupacabra so we can have a stylish way of packing said Xerox copy of the MH.

Interesting reading Sir.

[Major 2]

Every Galaxy Class Star Ship has had these since 1966  

Walt Disney once said " If you can dream it, you can do it "

I guess Mr. Fowler Replcator born copy will beam down any time  

[kurt250]

i really hope they make them. we need some new replicas. i wish them luck. if they are ever made and work i'll but a brace of the long barrel 44/40 nickel plated revolvers. i just think the way they have handled this whole thing has been very bad and has done nothing but make people feel its all a big scam.if they want people to trust them clean up your act and act like its not the first day in school all the time.  don't tell people you are going to ship something and can't produce a single photo . quite talking about changing plans and partners. GET A PROTOTYPE FINISHED AND A PHOTO OF IT.get to work and stop wasting our and your time with endless reports of things that never seem to come to pass. kurt250

[CRM]

1100 out standing orders !  To be filled at the original advertised price !

I don't see how they can do it !

That gun needs to sell for around $2250.00 !

If it is made as good as they say it's gonna be made, here in America, then that's what it's gonna cost, it could even be as high as $2750.00 !

At best, this is a limited market, and a price like that.

I do not believe, this Puppy will hunt.

[fowler]

     Not troll,but a MH fan waiting for my New Pocket Army 45Colt. When it comes I will post pictures and a review of the finest western handgun ever made.

[Deadeye Don]

     Not troll,but a MH fan waiting for my New Pocket Army 45Colt. When it comes I will post pictures and a review of the finest western handgun ever made.

If nothing else you are persistant .

[Professor Marvel]

Hope springs eternal
to be callously dashed
upon the rocks of reality.

yhs
prof marvel
(i am not a poet, but I impersonate one on the gramaphone)