Which replica firearms would you like to see available?

[Bow View Haymaker]

How about somthing like the colt Lighting and Thunderer revolvers? 

Wait,  Cimmeron does offer these but just single action. 
Too bad NCOWS doesn't accept them 'cause they'er really neet and other than the size of the trigger gaurd, I don't think most people could tell the difference form 10ft away.

[Trap]

   If they were in double action . there is a good chance they would be legal

[Bow View Haymaker]

They'er as close as we are ever going to get in a modern rendition of the originals.  Modern steel, safe action. affordable, not a colloctors item, in the "spirit" of the originals.  Sound's like everything a CAS gun should be.  LIie a vaquero to a SAA maybe?
Sorry,
I'll shut up now.

[Trap]

  They just aren't reproductions of an original. For that I'm sorry also.   jt

[Roscoe Coles]

How about somthing like the colt Lighting and Thunderer revolvers? 

Wait,  Cimmeron does offer these but just single action. 
Too bad NCOWS doesn't accept them 'cause they'er really neet and other than the size of the trigger gaurd, I don't think most people could tell the difference form 10ft away.

Its not too bad at all, they aint historic so they anit legal.  When you make an exception the next thing you know your shooting a henry big boy!

[Montana Slim]

I'd like to see a repro Merwin Hulbert revolver.
And on the subject of producibility of this oft-described complex (too complex to manufacture?) firearm, I wonder...... how they did it at all back before CNC, investment casting, metal injection molding, and even electricity.
Trust me, metal injection molding can litterally spit small complex parts out in seconds. The "cost" is the investment in the mold. Each mold costs between $20,000 to $70,000 to make. The economics are simply "how many can we expect to sell" and "at what price break will folks actually buy them".

My other wish-list firearm is the S&W Model 3...yes, I know these have been made.....but I want mine in .44 Russian !

My "price-point" for a well made replica of either of these models is around $1,000 each. I'd take two each of the Merwin and the Smith. 

Regards,
Slim

[St. George]

Ah - but a customer's acceptable 'price point' and that which the manufacturer will demand are two different things.

Think 'retail Colt' or 'retail USFA' - and go up.

Those first guns would be what pays for the set-up and tooling.

How the Merwin, Hulberts were made (and all of the others) was because of 'skilled' labor - paid small wages, and 'that' was how those weapons were assembled and fitted - by hand, and by guys with skills in that trade.

Think about what that same labor would cost today - then figure what the American worker would demand.

Granted, a foreign worker may get less - but the manufacturer will be wanting what it'd cost for the weapon to be 'Made in America' - and that'll sound the death knell.

Better to find an original that'll rise in value, than a clone that has zero 'history' to its name.

Clones - once fired - are just 'used' guns, while well-kept originals are 'collectable', and will likely sell for more than what was originally paid, as available guns recede from the market as they sometimes do.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Books OToole]

My other wish-list firearm is the S&W Model 3...yes, I know these have been made.....but I want mine in .44 Russian !


Regards,
Slim

Amen!

Books

[Will Ketchum]

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Better to find an original that'll rise in value, than a clone that has zero 'history' to its name.

Clones - once fired - are just 'used' guns, while well-kept originals are 'collectable', and will likely sell for more than what was originally paid, as available guns recede from the market as they sometimes do.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!
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Bob, this is correct and as you know I do shoot orginal S&W NM 3s.  But I would rather shoot them on occasion and let reproductions take the beating.  Also it would be nice to have the option of shooting smokeless.  Something I don't do with my Smiths.

Will Ketchum

[Forty Rod]

My other wish-list firearm is the S&W Model 3...
Regards,
Slim

WHICH Model 3, Slim? 

1st Mod. American
2nd Mod. American
1st Mod. Russian
2nd Mod. Russian
3rd Mod. Russian
New Mod. SA
New Mod. Target SA
New Mod. Turkish
New Mod. Frontier SA
3" to 8" barrels (depending on model)
Blued, nickel, or two-tone (available on some models)
Maybe a dozen calibers, including the one you want (available on some models)

All Model 3 Smiths.  I prefer a 1st Russian, all nickel, 8", in .44 Russian.  At your price range I'd take a pair in a heartbeat.

[Books OToole]

WHICH Model 3, Slim?  

1st Mod. American
2nd Mod. American
1st Mod. Russian
2nd Mod. Russian
3rd Mod. Russian
New Mod. SA
New Mod. Target SA
New Mod. Turkish
New Mod. Frontier SA
3" to 8" barrels (depending on model)
Blued, nickel, or two-tone (available on some models)
Maybe a dozen calibers, including the one you want (available on some models)

All Model 3 Smiths.  I prefer a 1st Russian, all nickel, 8", in .44 Russian.  At your price range I'd take a pair in a heartbeat.

The New Model 3 SA or DA or either one with optional target sights. ( The eyes are geting tired.)
Some barrel length options would be nice. (31/2, 4, & 5)

Books

[Drydock]

http://www.spanamwar.com/hotchkis165.htm

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

I'll bet you could manage a "clean stage" with one whiff of cannister from that l'il Hotchkiss!  30 musket balls from 200 yards should clean out the whole bay!  Better make sure the Posse is well back of the gun when you pull the lanyard.

UBIQUE!

[Montana Slim]

WHICH Model 3, Slim? 

1st Mod. American
2nd Mod. American
1st Mod. Russian
2nd Mod. Russian
3rd Mod. Russian
New Mod. SA
New Mod. Target SA
New Mod. Turkish
New Mod. Frontier SA
3" to 8" barrels (depending on model)
Blued, nickel, or two-tone (available on some models)
Maybe a dozen calibers, including the one you want (available on some models)

All Model 3 Smiths.  I prefer a 1st Russian, all nickel, 8", in .44 Russian.  At your price range I'd take a pair in a heartbeat.

I'd draw to 'bout any of these....Similar tastes here I reckon....an "American" model, with 8", in .44 Russian would be a good one for me.

[Montana Slim]

Proper engineering of a new replica can reduce a lot of the hand fitting. Also note Colt & USFA are located in a high labor cost part of the country. Signifacantly lower production costs elsewhere including southern regions and even Chicago (of all places).

Regards,
Slim

[Roscoe Coles]

Forty Rod got me thinking, a S&W American would be pretty great. 

[Will Ketchum]

Forty Rod got me thinking, a S&W American would be pretty great. 

The problem is that to be correct it would use a heeled bullet.  How many would want to deal with that?   That's whuy I would prefer a New Model number 3 in 44 Russian.

Will Ketchum

[Forty Rod]

2nd American and 1st Russian are the same gun except for caliber.  I can buy .44 Russian ammo pretty easily and fairly reasonable, but I have never seen commercial .44 American at less than collector prices and it's as scarce as eyebrows on eggs.

In my not-so-humble opinion, the most elegant of all cartridge single actions. (Like the 1860 Colt for percussion revolvers.)  I can close my eyes and see the one I described with ivory grips and fairly plain black gun belt and slim-jim holsters with one of Will Ghormley's oval buckles.  Lawdy, Miss Claudy, that would look great.

[Ottawa Creek Bill]

2nd American and 1st Russian are the same gun except for caliber.  I can buy .44 Russian ammo pretty easily and fairly reasonable, but I have never seen commercial .44 American at less than collector prices and it's as scarce as eyebrows on eggs.

In my not-so-humble opinion, the most elegant of all cartridge single actions. (Like the 1860 Colt for percussion revolvers.)  I can close my eyes and see the one I described with ivory grips and fairly plain black gun belt and slim-jim holsters with one of Will Ghormley's oval buckles.  Lawdy, Miss Claudy, that would look great.

I like the way you think...Forty Rod......and I can do the heeled bullets too!

Bill

[Forty Rod]

I suppose I could be too, but I have this highly developed laziness reflex.....

[Montana Slim]

2nd American and 1st Russian are the same gun except for caliber.  I can buy .44 Russian ammo pretty easily and fairly reasonable, but I have never seen commercial .44 American at less than collector prices and it's as scarce as eyebrows on eggs.

Yep, hence my prior remark of "American" Model in .44 Russian. Officially, this may be a 1st model Russian revolver (no trigger-hook gizzie).
On the commercial ammo for the Heel-based bullet .44 American...my Pa had a box of "Gads custom cartridges" in this calibre..but I think he shot some/all of it up in one of his other .44s. Turns out the extra bullets he had with them to re-load works marvelously in his .44 Rimfire reloads (using the .22 RF primed cartridges)) for a Wesson C.W. Carbine.

Gads "44 American" brass is simply trimmed .41 magnum brass...a bit sloppy trim job at that, but it did go "bang".
If anyone would be interested in the fired brass, shoot me a PM with offer & I'll forward along.

The .44 American cartridges were to be used as substitute for .44 M-H. I think they're all fired now, but never know, some may be left.

Regards,
Slim