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« on: November 06, 2008, 06:51:35 pm »


I am trying to get a bullet to work in my NM evans whithout any sucess i have loaded 250 gr hollow based bullets .43 cal to fit .43 bore .433 land to land then run through sizing die to crimp they have to be dun this way because chamber tapers into rifling no sholder but have had no sucess any help would be gratly apreciated the rifle has a near perfect bore Huh
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 12:00:31 pm »

Use the serach function for this site and search for "Evans".  There have been a lot of discussions on loadings.  This may not be a lot of help now, but here is a link to an article about Evans rifles that I wrote over 20 years ago.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/blancard/evans.htm

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 03:44:38 pm »

A quick glance at the chamber dimensions shows a similarity to .44 Rem Mag brass.  (Or .44 Russian for the older "short" case.)  A bit longer perhaps.  I'd say .303 Brit cases might be made to work, as they are somewhat similar to .30 US (depending on what is easier to find?)  They might need reaming as they thicken up pretty quick.

Are you using Black Powder?  What have you tried so far?

I don't have one, but this sounds like a facinating project.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 08:59:31 pm »

I have been yousing 30-40 krag brass trimed to 1.56 inch rime turned down to 0.51 inch for bullets i have been driling out 250 gr 0.80 long round nose bullets on lathe with 7mm drill to a depth of 10 mm bullets are .43 inch to start but when i seat them i run them through the full lenth sizer and it swages the base down making a hollow based heeled bullet ovl 2 inches it feeds very well my trouble is whbeforeen i use 40 gr 2f wano black pouder i carnt get enough lube on bullet and only get 3 or 4 shots of before barell gets to derty and acuracy goes to hell     what i think i need is a out side lubed hell based hollow baced 43 cal bullet but i have never seen such a bullet original bullets i have seen pitures of are not outside lubed or hellbased i am starting to wunder if they cared about acuracy at all
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2008, 09:30:30 pm »

If fouling is the only issue, switch to APP.  Very low pressures, doesn't need any lube, makes lots of smoke, and is easy to clean up.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 01:06:49 am »

what is APP I come from austrlia ,not a lot of pouders to choose from hear
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 08:13:46 am »

Herbert,
You might try packing some BP lube into the hollow base of the bullet as well.
I've done this on .38 Colt, using HBWC. My lube is homemade 50/50 beeswax & crisco.

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 12:26:08 pm »

Herbert

If you are using any kind of petroleum based lube this could be your problem or it may be complicating it. Use a lube specifically designed for Black Powder.

Bernie at Old West Bullet Moulds http://www.oldwestbulletmoulds.com/ is the gent to talk to. He can make anything you desire and probably already has done something for the 44 Evans. He also makes moulds that are hollow base for the varoius 44 calibers. He is very good to deal with and extremely knowledgable.

Good luck on ya!
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 10:06:20 pm »

Herbert ... From Cartridges of the World, 10th Edition
44 Evens Long
This not a strong action so it is advisable to load only with blackpowder or Pyrodex.  The cartridge was loaded with 275-300 grain bullets and 40 to 43 grains of blackpowder.  Although the case is somewhat larger in diameter, usable cases might be made by cutting off 303 Savage cases with the Henry Center Fire Flat.  Also, either the case mouth must be thinned or an undersized bullet must be used to provide adequate case-neck to chamber-wall clearance.

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2010, 06:03:18 pm »

My Evans was missing some internal parts and had a really badly pitted chamber so I reamed the camber to 44-40. No extractor yet but shoots them single shot OK. It will cycle dummies through the magazine ok but without the extractor don't really know how well it will work. If not I will make a reamer and sleeve the chamber back to origninal specs.
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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2010, 08:14:15 pm »

I remember sometime back reading an Evans article and the author used a 44 magnum chamber reamer to open up the chamber.  I have also heard of shortening 30-40 krag cases and turning down the rim to make cases.  I seen very little on the bullets.   I thought about buying an original round and taking it apart and having a bullet mold made.   So far my Evans is a closet queen.
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2010, 11:37:13 pm »

I remember sometime back reading an Evans article and the author used a 44 magnum chamber reamer to open up the chamber.  I have also heard of shortening 30-40 krag cases and turning down the rim to make cases.  I seen very little on the bullets.   I thought about buying an original round and taking it apart and having a bullet mold made.   So far my Evans is a closet queen.

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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2010, 10:08:19 pm »

I shoot a 300-gr .421 bullet out of mine, with a .445 Super Mag case that has been resized (buffalo arms).  I've been putting 26 gr of FFg, and have had very good luck with it. I have a few 30-40 Krag cases that have been reamed out, but they're pretty fragile compared with the .445 Super Mag cases. The fellow I bought the rifle from sent me load data, for 25, 30, 35 and 40 gr., but it shot best with 25 gr.. His bullet was a .419 that was built from a mold copied from an original bullet.

I have an original bullet (.419), and it is a beautiful design - very similar to the .458 Type III Big Lube if you looked at it. Two big grease grooves and a long nose. I couldn't afford to get such a nice custom .419 mold and sizing die made, so I bought a semi-custom one in .421. It's an NEI mold for a 400gr .421 gas-check design, that they shortened for me, and it comes out somewhere between 295 and 300gr depending on what the melt is. I normally have a bunch I could send you, but I just finished loading 300+ rounds.

If you want me to send you some bullets when I get back to casting, contact me off-list.  The Evans is definitely a hoot to shoot.
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