Baretta Renegade

[Trap]

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  The Marshall just called my attention to a new firearm being produced by Beretta called the Renegade. It is a copy of the 1873 Winchester, and if it follows the Beretta heratige, probably a well made firearm. The problem is, on the Beretta website, item # JNA1A01 is listed as distributed from the factory with a short stroke already installed. If you are in the market for an 1873 Winchester copy to shoot in NCOWS, do not buy this rifle.       jt

[Ol Gabe]

Trap,
Many, many thanks for taking the bull by the horns on this one and establishing a bellwether right from the get-go!
This will hopefully quell any future problems and Q & A's from Newbies or change-over Shooters from other venues. Would that any new replica delination could be this easy, but then...
Best regards, good job, keep the faith and never say "..well, maybe."!
'Ol Gabe
NCOWS #925

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Good on ya, Trap!

Now ... HOPEFULLY the word will get out and away from the limited readership of this forum. 

[Irish Dave]

It will also be mentioned in my "Marshal's Desk" column in the Sept/Oct Shootist which is nearly ready to go to the printer.

[ShenandoahRed]

  The Marshall just called my attention to a new firearm being produced by Beretta called the Renegade. It is a copy of the 1873 Winchester, and if it follows the Beretta heratige, probably a well made firearm. The problem is, on the Beretta website, item # JNA1A01 is listed as distributed from the factory with a short stroke already installed. If you are in the market for an 1873 Winchester copy to shoot in NCOWS, do not buy this rifle.        jt

Why, say so Irish Dave???

Thanks,

Shenandoah Red

[Jeremiah]

Red,
Modifications like Short Stroke kits are not allowed in NCOWS.

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

Bought me one today with a complete action job by Cody Conager.  Will shoot my Win 94 in NCOWS.  Whew hew!

Rules, Rules, the old cowboys didn't follow many or any rulez!

The Crisco Keed

[RickB]

And the old cowboys didn't use short stroke kits.

[Pancho Peacemaker]

Bought me one today with a complete action job by Cody Conager.  Will shoot my Win 94 in NCOWS.  Whew hew!

Rules, Rules, the old cowboys didn't follow many or any rulez!

The Crisco Keed

Beretta advertised these as "SASS race ready".   Why did it need an action job as well?

(FYI:  Beretta has discontinued this rifle.)

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

Per a certain Mr. Pettifogger -

The Beretta is a Uberti.  Both are owned by the same parent company and Uberti makes all the Beretta cowboy guns.  The Beretta has a few features that are a little different than a stock Uberti.  The Beretta comes with a factory short stroke and a shotgun style butt plate instead of a cresent or carbine style butt plate.  It still needs an action job to take advantage of the short stroke.  The didn't sell well and the Renegade has been discontinued.  If you look on Gunbroker or Gunsamerica you can find them at really good closeout prices.  If I were looking right now and it was $750.00 for a Renegade or $1,000.00 for a "Uberti," I would take the Renegade.  Of course, I wouldn't shoot either in competition until I had tuned them although many people are satisfied with them out of the box.

This is what I did.  Mr. Conager sweat the details before I bought it.

[OklaTom]

How about this one?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=284815280

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

Naaaaah mine is more authentic, it's antiqued!  If the old timers knew how to short stroke they had done it !

[St. George]

But there was no need - they viewed the weapon as a tool, and not as a toy.

We've had this discussion many times - it's why NCOWS doesn't allow short-stroke kits, and states that fact up front.

Scouts Out!

[Abilene]

Just thinking out loud.  If a rifle is shortstroked with a link kit (as opposed to cutting/bending/rewelding parts), could one put a stock set of links back in it to make it NCOWS approved?  Adding SS links often requires re-timing and carriers have to be filed on, etc.  But putting stock links back in should be no problem, I'm thinking.  And with so many people out there who have put SS links in rifles, it should be easy to find a set of stock links really cheap.  Could be changed out in minutes.  Would need to check headspace.

[Tjackstephens]

The rifle also has a rubber butt cover. Tj

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Is the "High Caliber Club" a big organization?

Is it like the "Mile High" club, only in an 1870s Outhouse?
    
 

 

It IS a pretty rifle!  But a little more than I'm interested in paying!

 

[Itchy Triggerfinger]

The rifle also has a rubber butt cover. Tj

As I said I will use my 94 in NCOWS. Here is a picture of the authentic butt.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn107/shameless54/003-1.jpg

This is how I cover the Renegades butt.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn107/shameless54/002.jpg

The Crisco Keed

[Tjackstephens]

The top one looks best. Guess both are period correct though. Tj 

[Gripmaker]

OK,  This opens up a question in my mind.  Under what circumstances would a rubber recoil pad be allowed for use in NCOWS?  I had to put one on my Model 92 due to rotator cuff problems with my right shoulder. Could I resort to this rifle if necessary for a shoot? FYI, my model 66 doesn't shoot any lighter with full BP loads in 44-40 and I will NOT resort to using a non-period 38 spl gun.

[Tascosa Joe]

Although I have never seen a period Winchester 92 with a recoil pad, solid red rubber pads like the Silvers pad were available on fine shotguns prior to 1900.

[Cash Creek]

Joe:  Had a cowboy shoot with me Saturday that has a shoulder pad under his shirt because he has a bad shoulder..you might try that to see if it helps..CC

[River City John]

. . . I will NOT resort to using a non-period 38 spl gun.

Awwww! Gripmaker, now I'm feeling like a second class citizen.

RCJ