Guns of the Darksiders

[Leo Tanner]

Nobody lives ferever, chute them things!  Well, I would...
All funnin aside, it is a beaut of a set.

[Fingers McGee]

Nobody lives ferever, chute them things!  Well, I would...

Fingers, that set is awesome!  I'll be happy to shoot them for you!

As Mississippi said "I have a host of friends"

While these will stay pristine like the rest of my NIB Colts, I do have other C series 2nd Gen '51 Navies - and F series '61 Navies that I do shoot.  They are very accurate and smooth shooters.

[Leo Tanner]

I think I would go buggy lookin at em everyday an never pullin the trigger.  I can hear em whisperin, "Leo, we don't wanna die virgins".

[Steel Horse Bailey]

I think I would go buggy lookin at em everyday an never pullin the trigger.  I can hear em whisperin, "Leo, we don't wanna die virgins".

Yeppir!
 

[Fingers McGee]

Like these:

[cpt dan blodgett]

I'm in.

Might short spout or is that just too rude to say???

[Freightman]

1867 Rolling Block manufactured in 1883

[Drayton Calhoun]

Fingers, I just loves that bottom carbine! Got my shoulder stock for my '60.

[Paladin UK]

Fer Freightman..........

A reeel nice looking smokepole
I lurv Rollers too.
I hope yer shootin it

Paladin (Whats got bad Cabin Fever  ) UK

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Call me crazy but sharps don't move me like a rolling block ...

Is there anyone making a r.45-70 rolling block that could be shot BROWS with about 12-15 #s weight and a  30" Barrel?

[Freightman]

I have a Shiloh Sharps and I much prefer the rolling block, but right now it is broke and waiting for a part to be manufactured.

[Dr. Bob]

IIRC, Pedersoli have quite a variety for rollers for sale.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Given a choice which would your preference be for a .45-70 rolling block? And is the .30-30 considered a  BROW?

[Pony Racer]

I love my 43 spanish roller.

1879 full military stocked musket rifle.

Now if'n I can ever find a decently priced correct bayonet for it!:)

If you reload - 43 spanish is not that hard of a caliber to load for.

PR

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Okay,  when reloading., what do you use for a case, and do you have to modify it?   

And what would you use for a bullet?

[Bishop Creek]

Okay,  when reloading., what do you use for a case, and do you have to modify it?   

And what would you use for a bullet?

Or you can buy loaded .43 Spanish black powder cartridges from Gad Custom Cartridges:

http://www.gadcustomcartridges.com/

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

With all respect to Pony Racer, I could never get the bullet close enough to the leade for my 1879 Argie roller to be accurate.  As it had been cut almost to musketoon lenght and lost its collector value I have now had ithe barrel replaced with a Greenmountain #3.5 barrel in .45-70.

These guns were chambered for easy reloading in lousy conditions, and not for accuracy.  The action has been mentioned as desireable for conversion.

The cheapest option is to get a used rifle configured as you wish, and don't fool around with mods.  Spend a lot on good sights and good bullets/moulds.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Sir Charles,

Thanks for the insight ...

I have always liked the rolling block action better than a Sharps, and have always wanted one that could compete Creedmoor style with the Sharps ... and in a perfect world there would be a reproduction rifle that I could afford that would do that ,,, and if it were in smething less punishing than the .45-70 (For my shoulders, though intact, are not getting any younger LOL), well. so much the better ...

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Sir Charles,

 ,,, and if it were in smething less punishing than the .45-70 (For my shoulders, though intact, are not getting any younger LOL), well. so much the better ...

.38-55, .38-56, .40-60maynard, .40-70, or .40-65 are some alternatives, but only the first and last are factory chambered at present, and I'm not sure by whom.  The .38s are considered marginal for 500 meter silhouettes, and the .40s are not really successes at 1,000 yard (Or so I've heard!) The .30-30 or .30-40 would be OK out to 300 yds, but I don't think they are legal for buffalo shoots. For economic reasons, barring a lottery win, try to stick to used factory offerings.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Sir Charles,

Thanks for the advice on ammo and rounds .... for you are right; the time to commit to a round is BEFORE I buy a rifle and am committed to that round ...

[Lucky R. K.]

I have always liked the rolling block action better than a Sharps, and have always wanted one that could compete Creedmoor style with the Sharps ... and in a perfect world there would be a reproduction rifle that I could afford that would do that ,,, and if it were in smething less punishing than the .45-70 (For my shoulders, though intact, are not getting any younger LOL), well. so much the better ...

If you plan to shoot at Creedmoor distances(1,000 yards) unless you want to spend a lot of money or, are good at putting together a rifle, you will need to go with 45 caliber. While 45-70 is acceptable for 1,000 yard shooting 45-90 or bigger would be better but they are not kind to the shoulder.  On the lower end of the scale Pedersoli is making a Rolling Block and Hi-Wall rifle that perform very well.  On the higher end Shiloh Sharps and CPA are making top-of-the-line rifles. 

There has been work done with the 38 caliber for long distances with success.  Fast twist barrels and looong bullets have given good results.  Someone shooting a 38-56 was overall long range winner at one ot the Camp Atterbury matches last year.  Going this route takes money and talent in rifle building.


For distances out to 500 yards,  concern for your shoulder, and cost I would recommend a Pedersoli Rolling Block in 40-65 caliber with the best sights you can afford for it.

Lucky 

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Lucky R.K.,

Thanks for the advice ... I will just be shooting SASS with it ... my eyesight and age is against open or peep sights and I don't see that getting any better at age ...

And there is a couple of  big gunshops nearby that I hope to stumble on somebodies unwanted Pedersoli rolling block ... and most probably will go with a .45-70 ... in that way I am a little 'luckier' ... I would imagine that  .45-70 will be the largest pool of used guns ...

[Major 2]

Sweet cased set Bishop. 

Here are a few pictures of my latest.  A 1 of 250 Grant/Lee matched pair cased set of 2nd Generation 1851 Navies.  Had a gentleman email me offering the set for sale cause he knew I was a collector.  He was the original owner and had never put the set together.  Everything was still in it's original wrapping and boxes.  He only took the pistols out from time to time to oil them up.  They've never been cocked, and the flask had never been unwrapped.  The pistols and accessories had never been put in the case (till yesterday).  I unwrapped everything, placed the items in the case, photographed the case, then rewrapped and boxed everything back up.  This set will stay as NIB as possible.


And a few more

  In the last photo on the round TG frame model what is stamped on the left side barrel flat "

[Fingers McGee]

  In the last photo on the round TG frame model what is stamped on the left side barrel flat "

Round Trigger Guard says "Robert E Lee Commemorative Nineteen Seventy-One"

Square backed one says "Ulysses S Grant Commemorative Nineteen Seventy-One"

[Griff]

Fingers,

Nice set.  And for a collector, very desirable.  However, a coupla years ago I ran across a set that HAD been fired, and the gent was willing to part with them for a VERY reasonable fee.  In fact, less than what two standard 2nd gen 1851s would have been, less than even the deals I got on the two that I did buy.  They didn't have the accessories or case any longer, but I really considered them for my shooters, but ultimately, they slide by the way and someone else got them... or at least I hope someone did, as I'd hate to think of them just languishing around in someone's safe... collecting dust... unused... unappreciated.

My reasoning (read excuse), for not getting them to shoot?  Didn't think I could stand having one with a sq trigger guard and one with a round!  I know, feeble... but hey, like I said, it was MY excuse!