Cheap Sharps Club

[Steel Horse Bailey]

If Kevin Costner can drop a Buff with a Henry...aw, never mind, **************** (message continued) thinking how he'll use one round per buff and is calculating how much money he's going to make from his hunt...he gets educated real fast about how tough buff are.

I'll bet!  With a Henry!  

Just as a matter of interest, I read in a shooting magazine sometime years back - the article was dealing with using the proper round for whatever is being hunted, the author stated that at one time or another, every animal on earth has been killed by a 22LR, but that doesn't mean that someone shouldn't deliberately  set out to kill/hunt with an underpowered round.


Now, don't take ME to task, fellers ... I'm  just reporting what has been said, I don't recommend it!  We've all known about guys who have killed deer, for instance, with a 22.  Personally, I've eaten venison taken with a 22 by an old Army buddy ... it CAN be done, but it isn't good practice!
 

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Amd Davy Crockett supposedly hunted Grizzly with a Bowie Knife .... (if the Bowie actually was 'invented' at that time) ...

But as Steel Horse has remarked, it isn't particullarly good practice unless one has a death wish ...*G*

[Steel Horse Bailey]

 

[Ranch 13]

 Well you need to get things in prospective. During the time frame of the Henry it was considered a fine rifle for most anything out to 200 yds or further.
 :'(Today you'll have devil of a time finding folks that could even have enough riflecraft in them to be able to fire a Henry at something 200 yds out.

[Steel Horse Bailey]

You're sure right there, Ranch 13.

Even the Military doesn't teach true marksmanship.  Most of them (and in many Police forces, too) it seems they believe more in the "spray 'n pray" school of riflecraft.

'Tis a pity, but 'tis true.  When I taught small arms marksmanship, I had the support of my Commanding Officer and I tried to teach my guys real skills with the rifles and pistols we were issued, as well as the tank weapons, both large and small.  It paid off, I guess.  I've heard from numerous ex soldiers of mine who said they learned a lot from my teaching, but nearly nothing from the Army itself.  I always thought that was pretty important considering the business I/we were in!  And if a Henry ... or a 22 were all I had, I'd sure try to make the best of it that I possibly could.  A 44 Henry certainly can kill a buff ...( if the shooter is brave enough,  ) and can put his shots right where they need to be, rather than just shooting AT  the buff!

 

[Ranch 13]

 WEll said Sarge.

[Delmonico]

For many years the 22 Hornet is said to be one of the most popular rounds used in Alaska.  Was used to kill all the game found up there and a box of 50 takes up about as much space as a box of 20 30-06 and cost about the same.

[Ranch 13]

Del I knew a ranchwoman that spent her best years herdin kids and raisin sheep and herefords, and she thought anybody using a bigger rifle than her 2520 on anything was just showing off and wasting meat. (and she never had an elk tag that wasn't filled)

[Delmonico]

Del I knew a ranchwoman that spent her best years herdin kids and raisin sheep and herefords, and she thought anybody using a bigger rifle than her 2520 on anything was just showing off and wasting meat. (and she never had an elk tag that wasn't filled)

Unless things have changed since I last checked, the world record whitetail was killed with a 25-20.   

[Ranch 13]

Yup I believe that's the last I heard as well.

[Cherokee Reb]

Bought an IAB percussion Sharps a last month for $525 shipped and the seller included a box of bullets, nitrated paper, flask, capper and bullet mold.

Yesterday I sent off payment for a Palmetto Armoury 45-70 Gemmer-Sharps with vernier tang sight for $1100 shipped. Can I join the club??

Reb

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Bought an IAB percussion Sharps a last month for $525 shipped and the seller included a box of bullets, nitrated paper, flask, capper and bullet mold.

Yesterday I sent off payment for a Palmetto Armoury 45-70 Gemmer-Sharps with vernier tang sight for $1100 shipped. Can I join the club??

Reb

You sure can, Cherokee Reb!  Welcome!

You got a real good bargain ... now, go out and have some fun with it!  CHEAP FUN!!
 

[Don Nix]

I posted this in a separate thread but it iOkay ,here I go showing my ignorance,
 This afternoon I was fooling with the new Sharps when I decided to drop the carrier and check everything in preparation of slugging the bore.
 The carrier dropped down fine but as I pulled it free something fell of onto the floor.I looked down and there was a small metal disc.
 There was a recess on the rear of the carrier that I assume it fits into. From what i can gather it is called the rear bolt assembly disc.
Can some one tell what part it plays and is it supposed to be so loose that it just falls out. Looks to me like it would be real easy to lose in the field.t would be better answered here I think.

[john boy]

Don, look at this diagram ... http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=61&cat=Pedersoli+Sharps+1874+Sporting+Rife
Is the part rectangular, not disc?  If so, it is the firing pin block (part 104) and goes back in the rectangular slot on the back of the breech block

[Marshal Deadwood]

FOr what it's worth.......my Dad killed more than a few nice bucks,,,the biggest one he killed with a 25-20.........first shot the deer was standing,,the other two the buck was running. All three shots could be covered with the bottom end of a coffee cup. All three shots went in the heart areas.

 My nephew still has that scrape of hide ,,all dried to heck,,but you can see the tight group.

MD

[Don Nix]

No this is a round disc  about the dianeter of a dime.

[Don Nix]

I was looking at a Numrich parts schematic and they list the piece as  a Bolt assembly disconnect,rear.
 The VTI parts show it the same way except abbreviated.
 Now I now what it is ,how does it work and should it be so loose that it falls out when yu drop the carrier.
 I also got my brass in yesterday. It only took three days from order to delivery, Graf & sons.  It is Jamison brass correctly  stamped 45-110.
 As soon as my bullets arrive I'll be in business.

[Patrick Henry Brown]

Back in the CHeap Sharps Club with a Pedersoli Sporting Rifle in 45-70 that I picked up at the Tyler, TX Gunshow this past Saturday. 32" barrel with top of the line Pedersoli Tang and Spirit-level globe front sights -- and the Hadley eyecup. Never fired with BP (that is soon to change) and appears to have been well-cared for and fired very little. $800 was the price tag and had several folks wanting to buy it as I walked the floor looking to sell a Garand I had. Pleased. I'd post pictures, but I'm at work now.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Preacher;  You must have a lot of horsehoes on the wall, all open end up to hold the luck.  Or is it open end down to pour the luck into your hand?  ANYHOO, that sounds like an excellent buy.  Good shootin'.

Here in good ol' Victoria BC, Canada even.  My gunshop has a Chiappa sharps, new, under a thou', so maybe there will be more CSC members soon.  Anyone have any experience with the Chiappa? (Not for myself, I'll stick with my Pedersoli.)

P.S;  SO!  The Chiappa is an Armi Sport.

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Good bargain, Preacher Clint!  Welcome!

[Ranch 13]

  I'm not particularly sure 800$ for a used gun of unknown pedigree is exactly cheap tho

[Patrick Henry Brown]

I'm not particularly sure 800$ for a used gun of unknown pedigree is exactly cheap tho

How do you figure that? It is a Pedersoli. Retail now on that model without the sights is well over $1150 at bargain shops, and Cherry's lists them closer to $1400. The bore is super and shows little wear. The sights are in the $500 range, so $800 is a good deal IMHO. Most Sharps repros I see in the $800 range are IAB's these days, and I've owned a few of those as well. Not bad rifles either. I don't shoot 1000 yd. BPCR anyway, so the Pedersoli suits me just fine. Tell you what though -- if you come across a Shiloh for $800 used of unknown pedigree, pm me where to send the gold dust! I'll risk it!LOL!

[Ranch 13]

Just saying that 800$ for a USED gun is not exactly my idea of cheap.

 What do you suppose the smokeless loads fired in that rifle were. 38 grs of 3031 or 38 grs of bullseye?

[Patrick Henry Brown]

Just saying that 800$ for a USED gun is not exactly my idea of cheap.

 What do you suppose the smokeless loads fired in that rifle were. 38 grs of 3031 or 38 grs of bullseye?

You can say the same thing for any used gun. Period! You're giving a whole new meaning to "cheap". BTW, the guy I bought it from was the original owner and professed to having only shot a few boxes of factory 45-70 loads through it. Is he telling the truth? Who knows? I'll take my chances on a slightly used Pedersoli at $800 over spending $2K for a new rifle anyday. IMHO, 99% of the folks here would agree. I've been buying, selling and shooting used guns for over 40 years. Never had a problem. Routinely buy, sell and shoot C&R weapons all the time. I've shot standing next to folks firing authentic Civil War muskets and carbines in N-SSA Competition. And I have a friend who routinely shoots an original Colt 1860 in NCOWS, though he does substitute a replica cylinder.

[Ranch 13]

 ???Taking this a weebit personal are you?
No one here questioned your credentials.
 
Altho me being the some what owly type I am, do have to wonder why some one would sell a 1500$+ setup for half price, and the just a few rounds of smokeless thing always makes me think about the cheesy twit in the checkered polyester sport coat and " only driven by a little ol lady to church on sundays"
 And it gets pretty ugly when we start to talking about horse, cow and hay brokers..