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Taylor's/Cimarron better?
Stophel:
Among other things, I am looking into getting a 51 navy. Now, I can get one from Cabela's for $189, OR, I can get one (presumably an Uberti), from Taylor's or Cimarron for something like $279. Are they really any better quality? Meaning, is the manufacturing and precision cartridge-gun level? (I'm used to shooting S&W revolvers, and to me, anything less than this level of precision and quality is absolute junk!...I'm slightly jaded.) If the gun is nice enough, I may even get a gated Kirst conversion for it eventually...
Totally irrelevant, but I also like the iron grip frame of the "London" model. I will presume that this is supposed to have been a version produced for export to England, or license built in England????
Marshal Will Wingam:
Colt had a manufacturing facility in London to try to get government contracts there. They took Colt's production methods and streamlined the production of their own inferior guns. The guns weren't any better but they learned a lot about mass production. Colt eventually abandoned the facility there.
Major 2:
Other opinions will vary... but here is my 2 cents
The Cabela's offering will in most cases be Pietta made... not a bad thing, and for the price you get Cabela's reputation for returns or replacement should there be a issue...
Pietta's tend to be stamped conspicuosly, with disclaimers " BLACK POWSER ONLY ", Proof Marks , and the Fili Petta logo.
This for me distracts from the looks, much like Ruger's Lawyer pleasing stampings.
Taylor's and Cimarron will have the Uberti's.... Uberti has been my choice for Guns I use in the Film Prop Business.
And I've used both importers...
I find the Uberti's closer to the originals , and the new CNC forged frames appeal to my idea of greater strength & closer tolerances.
I like the Uberti's use of discrete placement of proof marks.
The main difference between Taylor's and Cimirron will be the Importer's Marks. Both use small lettered stamps
Cirmarron tends to place the Fredricksburg TX. mark where the one line Colt Address would be , & Taylor's will have Winchester VA.
As to which importer, I've delt with Tammy & Sue (Taylor's) for years and with Charlie Hudson at Cimarron, of late I heard of some issue with Cimarron , but it is or was 2nd second hand news ....I've had no issues ( except the long wait for my Type II )
Midway & Phil Rezac handle Cimarron imported guns...
Taylor's Tammy & Sue have been flawless...
I've been using Uberti's nearly 30 years ( not to mention 2nd. Gen. BP Colts ) & back then it was Allen Arms & Navy Arms....
I believe the Uberti London Model is only from Taylor's , I don't recall Cimerron offering one.
And Pietta does not make the the London Armory Model at all.
As to your Smiths, I assume you mean the current offerings from S&W ( as opposed to the Uberti Schofields , Russians & Beretta's )
Pre- sell out S&W's were fine quality, I have my Dad's WWII Hand Ejector Model , the quality went, when the British Holding Company all but destroyed Smith's fine reputation... The Present Company has saved S&W from the brink ...
My Openion as stated ...
If you want a good shooter , get the Uberti (good Quality fun )
if it's an heirloom you seek as well ... Second Generation Black Powder Series Colt.
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Stophel:
Most all of my S&W's are from the '70's and earlier. I have one 681 from sometime in the '80's, which is fine, but just not the same (though still better than virtually anything else available at the time....this period was definitely the low point in overall firearms quality). I also have the brand new Model 22 .45acp, which I like VERY much. It is ALMOST as good quality as my old ones...It should be though, I paid $800 for it, which is far more than I have ever paid for a handgun before. I REALLY wanted it, and buying an old one from the '60's or before would cost me twice as much. Other than the smattering of "classic" revolvers that S&W makes now (due to popular demand), they don't make anything that interests me at all. Everything is Stainless steel, aluminum, titanium, or Scandium (whatever the h377 that is...) ::) That and/or it has a heavy barrel....the full underlug is the worst sin against pistoldom ever committed...
One problem I forsee with the Pietta '58 I have now, is that the frame is pretty durn soft. I had it so that the hammer stopped on the frame just a hair short of the nipples. It worked fine, but even after a few shots, I found that the hammer had battered its way down and had begun to touch the nipples. Well, I went to work again, and filed the shoulders on the frame where the hammer stops so that I would get a better strike on more surface than before. Originally, it was just hitting on the top corner of the hammer and frame. Now I have decent contact on the hammer shoulders about 2/3rds of the way down. Pretty much all I can do (that and reworking the hammer again and case hardening it). I have snapped it many times (not fired yet) since this latest modification, and I can see that even with better contact, I will likely have the same problem, only it will show up more slowly. The frame steel is just not up to taking the impact.
I have read reports that Uberti uses better/harder/tougher steel for their guns. If so, that alone will prompt me to make my next purchase an Uberti. It's not so much that forged is better than cast, but the type of alloy that is much more important. Rugers are cast, and no one besmirches their toughness! 4140 would be the ideal steel to make any gun out of, in fact, many modern ones are. It is ridiculously tough and wear resistant...which you will quickly learn when you have a 4140 rifle barrel that you have to cut dovetails into!
Is the squareback TG gun from Taylor's an Uberti? It is listed about $20 cheaper than the regular Uberti (but still more than the listed Pietta). The site doesn't say whether or not it is an Uberti. If I was to have my druthers, I'druther have the squareback guard.
Wymore Wrangler:
My only thoughts are get it from Rezac's, they are dealers for both Cimarron and Taylors and will get you the best price for what your want...
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