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 21 
 on: Yesterday at 03:15:48 am 
Started by Frank Morgan - Last post by Molasses Mike


I think for our CAS it doesn't make much sense to have a gun that has the look of being around for a hundred years when we are suppose to be portraying people who lived in the old west., but maybe that is just me.  

+1  Been thinking that for years.
                         Molasses Mike

 22 
 on: July 29, 2016, 09:19:16 pm 
Started by Forty Rod - Last post by Forty Rod
Check out the September 2016 issue of Guns and Ammo and see if you wouldn't be better moving to Arizona.
 
Sure am glad we did.

 Wink
 
 

 23 
 on: July 29, 2016, 08:21:45 pm 
Started by Crow Choker - Last post by Bunk Stagnerg
Gee whiz guys
It ain't rocket science, it is simple so don't overthink it, don't IBM it just put in enough FFFg Gun Powder and stuff in a bullet that will slightly compresses the powder, crimp it and let it rip!
The medicine for my .45 Colt guns is a Cowboy Special (.45 Short) case with 1.3 c/c volume of FFFg Gun Powder and a 210 Big Lube bullet crimped in the crimp groove. I have no idea about the weight of powder or how fast it goes, but it hits the Cody Dixon 100 yard target about 12" below the aim point through my 1860 Henry rifle and never fails on the rifle targets. It is a rip snorter on revolver targets and drives the nitro guys (bless their hearts)  nuts.
Yr' Obt' Svt'
Bunk Stagner

 24 
 on: July 29, 2016, 08:00:16 pm 
Started by FTrooper - Last post by Major 2
Maj. General William Mahone

 25 
 on: July 29, 2016, 06:25:21 pm 
Started by tj3006 - Last post by dusty texian
Dont try any of this at home! Geeze! Lets be reasonable , We all know what the old Winchesters can do and not do.  Any load in an original is a risk! BLACK OR SMOKLESS!  One thing is for sure , If your firearm is not 100 % up to snuff than you are risking the old rifle /yourself and everyone around you.  With that said I take that risk quite often ,but I never push the limits ! My 2 CENTS ,,,DT God Bless!

 26 
 on: July 29, 2016, 06:20:02 pm 
Started by FTrooper - Last post by pony express
Looks like it could almost be a "one size fits all" jacket.

 27 
 on: July 29, 2016, 06:14:48 pm 
Started by Major 2 - Last post by Silver Creek Slim
Got back about an hour ago.
Need to load the horse trailer with tack etc for the morning. Prepare for Fair is at 08:30 at the fairgrounds.

Slim

 28 
 on: July 29, 2016, 05:09:00 pm 
Started by tj3006 - Last post by Cholla Hill Tirador
Yes, Winchester did that with BLACK POWDER.  BP is basically self-limiting.  No matter how much BP you put in a gun it can only generate a certain amount of pressure.  Try that same experiment in a 76 with smokeless and see what happens.  As far as the hammer spring holding the bolt shut have you tried it?  That is baloney.  With even light smokeless loads and both links in the rifle if the links are even slightly out of alignment you are going to get a pretty decent smack on your knuckles when the round, BP or smokeless, goes off.  Been there done that.  With no links you've got a straight blow-back condition.  Even half a cocktail won't make your forehead feel any better when the bolt assembly hits you between the eyes.  I too have shot lots of light smokeless rounds out of original 73s.  However, let's not put stuff on the wire that can get somebody killed.  (Oh, when I am using the word "you" I do not mean any particular person.  Just the generic "you.")

  Au contraire. "Self limiting pressure" is a myth according to those who know more than I :

   (pp. 194, right column)

  https://books.google.com/books?id=Dzxyneq43AEC&pg=PA194&lpg=PA194&dq=black+powder+100,000&source=bl&ots=6jk5VfyhtX&sig=W07prIcKydA6ca-sXKlQaYtRBew&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiju7zl25nOAhUE3WMKHfqGADgQ6AEIKzAC#v=onepage&q=black%20powder%20100%2C000&f=false

 (pp. 34 left column)

https://books.google.com/books?id=OF7WL7hIhA0C&pg=PA34&lpg=PA34&dq=black+powder+100,000&source=bl&ots=mTlmn7ZiKp&sig=12ql2rGrTiMuZXh-2LKfWJeCs60&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiju7zl25nOAhUE3WMKHfqGADgQ6AEILjAD#v=onepage&q=black%20powder%20100%2C000&f=false

(par. 14)

 http://www.chuckhawks.com/blackpowder_pyrodex.htm

 Why are different grades of BP? If it were self-limiting in regards to pressure, we could just pour cartridge cases full of 4f and be merrily on our way. Right?


  I've read the account of Winchesters attempt to destroy the toggle link 1876 (I'll try to find and post it as its very interesting) and they did so by driving additional bullets down the bore.

  I didn't say the hammer spring would hold the bold closed rather it seems conceivable that tension from the hammer spring could limit the rearward travel, or velocity, of the bolt. But then, that's the subject of case head thrust, not chamber pressure. Once the fired cartridge case clears the chamber or the buet clearn the muzzle, whichever occurs first, there is no more pressure.

  This is not "the wire", it's the CAS forum  Wink

  No one is suggesting dangerous loads or practices. If smokeless loads are dangerous in these old rifles, why have ammunition manufacturers been loading them and folks using them for nigh on 100 years?

  CHT

 29 
 on: July 29, 2016, 04:35:44 pm 
Started by FTrooper - Last post by Drydock
The blanket is on sale right now.  I got one, its excellent!

 30 
 on: July 29, 2016, 03:45:29 pm 
Started by Crow Choker - Last post by Coffinmaker
A long Time ago .... In a Galaxy Far Far Away ..... In a land time FORGOT!!  I was (gasp) A Bench Rest Competitor!!  I shot small bore (220 Swift) and large bore (7mm Manglem) and suffered Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Stage 5 (Hopeless).  What I went through to prep
each and every case was ....... frightening.  What I went through to select each and every bullet ....... disgusting.  I knew as much about
primers as John Boy.  I even charted the pressure curve of an Elephants Fart.  Wasn't that fun you betcha.  

Just so I could punch a string of bullets through ........ ONE HOLE.  I had recipes based on weather conditions and the phase of the moon.
I could calculate the drift effect of the earths rotation at 600 yards (well, my calculator could, I add 2 & 2 and get 5).  It took me as long
to load 100 rounds .......... I won't go there.  Makes me shiver.

Then, after finding the cure (Cowboy Action with ........ Real Gunpowder) for all those wicked habits, I discovered much to my chagrin,
NONE of that stuff mattered.  Not one bit.  The variations we get loading BP or Subs just don't show much down range effect, if any
at all.  As long as you get enough powder inna case to eject the payload the result will be the same ....... KLANG!!  SO I BURN'D my
recipe books, loading tables, ballistics charts, and stuff then hung a spent 220 swift case outside the shop in effigy.  I feel so much
bedder.

Now:  If you absolutely must know the EXACT and Correct load, pour som powder inna case until you know your gonna compress it, or
not, depending, then weigh what ya got.  It'll change for the next case, but, nobody, least of all the target, will notice.

Coffinmaker

PS::  ALMOST FORGOT ...... Thanks for the Compliment Choker.  I try to have fun onna range too.  I figure when I screw sumpthin up, it
should be entertaining.

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