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Title: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on July 23, 2017, 05:11:27 pm
Greeting,

Growing up I often watched Sergeant Preston of the Yukon.  Has anyone done an impression/portrayal of a Mountie?   I recently started gathering uniform items for an accurate Mountie portrayal.    

(http://i.picasion.com/resize86/37e8999ca076e19fd3db9cc038f360eb.jpg)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on July 23, 2017, 09:16:40 pm
Whoop-Up Roy from Flin Flon, Manitoba and Sgt Burnt Ass from Alberta, both wore period NWMP uniforms  Sgt Burnt Ass was a real Mountie in his younger days


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on July 23, 2017, 10:05:08 pm
I did a Sgt Preston a few years ago. Ive got the red tunic as you can see in my avatar photo, I carried my New Service Colts, Sam Brown belt, wore a brown DI hat with the belt hat band and carried a stuffed plush Husky to each stage. I even have a Sgt Preston signed whistle. I've got a NWMP 76 carbine (repro) but am working on a full stocked 73 Spanish Contract Carbine that looks alot like the 76 src. I've got buttons and insignia too. I also grew up watching Saturday morning tv, Sgt Preston, Foreign Legionaries, Sky King.  Good stuff.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 24, 2017, 11:26:23 am
The surplus shops and antique shops in Canuckistan always have a stock of RCMP kit. There is a high turn over of personnel as the rank & file gets quickly disillusioned by senior management.

Our once iconic national police force is no longer held in high esteem due to repeated incidents such as the High River and Slave Lake gun grabs when thousands of firearms were seized from abandoned homes after a major fire and a catastrophic flood.

They make arbitrary rules about what guns we can own under what conditions based on colour ('black' guns are 'bad'), barrel length, calibre, magazine capacity, etc. We do not regard the force as our "friends" and most Canadians in CAS would not care to do an NWMP/RCMP impression.

The movie and TV images are from a long gone era. The reality of today is far different. Today we have RCMP members wearing turbans and niqabs.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on July 24, 2017, 06:18:57 pm
The surplus shops and antique shops in Canuckistan always have a stock of RCMP kit. There is a high turn over of personnel as the rank & file gets quickly disillusioned by senior management.

Our once iconic national police force is no longer held in high esteem due to repeated incidents such as the High River and Slave Lake gun grabs when thousands of firearms were seized from abandoned homes after a major fire and a catastrophic flood.

They make arbitrary rules about what guns we can own under what conditions based on colour ('black' guns are 'bad'), barrel length, calibre, magazine capacity, etc. We do not regard the force as our "friends" and most Canadians in CAS would not care to do an NWMP/RCMP impression.

The movie and TV images are from a long gone era. The reality of today is far different. Today we have RCMP members wearing turbans and niqabs.

Wow.... I hate to hear that.  When I think of Canada, it's natural to fondly think of the iconic RCMP.  I retired 5 years as a Trooper with the Texas Highway Patrol.  10-12 years ago the Highway Patrol and RCMP had an exchange program.  6 Mounties were stationed at my duty station for 2 or 3 weeks.  They were great guys.  It was nice having them work side by side with us.   Several of us have maintained our friendships.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 24, 2017, 07:06:23 pm
We also regret the current state of affairs re: the rcmp. You'll note that like many, I choose not to capitalize their initials.

Historically, as our west expanded, the NWMP was given carte blanche to write the book on 'gun control'. They decided who could own what even then.
The iconic Canadian hero Sam Steele rode herd on the mining and railroad construction camps, maintaining the peace, which amounted to civil disarmament. This carried on into the Yukon during the Gold Rush.

After his service in the Boer war, he was seconded to the South African Constabulary where he implemented 'gun control', disarming the Boers, blacks and Chinese, issuing permits to those he deemed acceptable. In other words, he took 'gun control' to Africa.

Today, it is a tag team game between the rcmp and the gov't of the day, each pointing at the other saying - "Don't blame us, it's them."
The gov't has allowed the rcmp to make arbitrary decisions about what guns, calibres, etc. we can own. This makes instant criminals out of Canadian gun owners.

For example: -

- a .22 LR lookalike AK47 is classified "Prohibited", a crime to own one
- a 25 rd Ruger 10/22 magazine is a "prohibited device
- a .50 Beowulf magazine than can hold more than 10 .223 rds is now a "prohibited device AFTER thousands of them had been sold
- all other .223/5.56mm mags must be pinned to 5 rds
- the AR 15 is a "restricted" weapon, which must be transported in a locked case with trigger lock installed and can only be fired on an "approved range, whereas my Tavor can be shot anywhere it is legal to do so

I could go on at length with this insanity, but you get the point. None of our gun laws make any sense and are not intended to. The ultimate aim is total civil disarmament one, one calibre, one action type, one classification at a time.

Firearms ownership here is NOT a right, but a PRIVILEGE, subject to gov't whim. Now you know why the low regard for the once proud rcmp. Your second amendment is the most important part of your constitution. If it falls, so will the other parts of it no longer deemed convenient or appropriate.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on July 24, 2017, 07:22:41 pm
We also regret the current state of affairs re: the rcmp. You'll note that like many, I choose not to capitalize their initials.

Historically, as our west expanded, the NWMP was given carte blanche to write the book on 'gun control'. They decided who could own what even then.
The iconic Canadian hero Sam Steele rode herd on the mining and railroad construction camps, maintaining the peace, which amounted to civil disarmament. This carried on into the Yukon during the Gold Rush.

After his service in the Boer war, he was seconded to the South African Constabulary where he implemented 'gun control', disarming the Boers, blacks and Chinese, issuing permits to those he deemed acceptable. In other words, he took 'gun control' to Africa.

Today, it is a tag team game between the rcmp and the gov't of the day, each pointing at the other saying - "Don't blame us, it's them."
The gov't has allowed the rcmp to make arbitrary decisions about what guns, calibres, etc. we can own. This makes instant criminals out of Canadian gun owners.

For example: -

- a .22 LR lookalike AK47 is classified "Prohibited", a crime to own one
- a 25 rd Ruger 10/22 magazine is a "prohibited device
- a .50 Beowulf magazine than can hold more than 10 .223 rds is now a "prohibited device AFTER thousands of them had been sold
- all other .223/5.56mm mags must be pinned to 5 rds
- the AR 15 is a "restricted" weapon, which must be transported in a locked case with trigger lock installed and can only be fired on an "approved range, whereas my Tavor can be shot anywhere it is legal to do so

I could go on at length with this insanity, but you get the point. None of our gun laws make any sense and are not intended to. The ultimate aim is total civil disarmament one, one calibre, one action type, one classification at a time.

Firearms ownership here is NOT a right, but a PRIVILEGE, subject to gov't whim. Now you know why the low regard for the once proud rcmp. Your second amendment is the most important part of your constitution. If it falls, so will the other parts of it no longer deemed convenient or appropriate.

I totally understand your frustration and concerns.   If liberals here had their way, the only folks who would have guns would be the criminals.   


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 24, 2017, 11:20:51 pm
One of our past Ministers of Justice (now with a plum UN job) stated that his vision of Canada was one where only the Army and police have guns. That is a police state.

A retired female Senator admitted that our gun laws had nothing to do with public safety and everything to do with rendering us a gun-less society within a few generations.

Never thought your ally and neighbour to the north was headed for such a fate, did you? Kind of puts the lie to "True north, strong and free ..." doesn't it?


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Mike on July 25, 2017, 12:16:39 am
I have always wanted to do this as well, 1870 period, guns were always a issue. But have the 76 now but in 45-60.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 25, 2017, 10:15:34 am
You've got the better calibre for brass and shooting comfort.

Back to my 'rights' comment .... I just heard a former Justice minister say on TV that under our constitution, NO rights are absolute and are subject to 'limitations'.

Most Canadians are unaware of this and presume they have absolute rights of some kind. Apparently not so.

That is why your constitution is so valuable as it enshrines God given rights, not subject to limitations and interpretations.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on July 25, 2017, 05:10:56 pm
PJ is correct on his comments regarding the RCMP.  Some people feel that they went from protectors of the Constitution to the Palace Guard.  Back in the 50's, 60's and early 70's the RCMP recruit was just that, a recruit.  RCMP basic training was very physical and was similar to a military boot camp.  He received a recruit salary and when he graduated, he came out a man.  With the advent of Females being recruited, the training format changed.  Instead of being a boot camp it became a campus.  Recruits now pay a tuition to attend and have certain opting out features in their training. 

Members now must have a university degree to attend basic training and, I use the term basic training loosely.  As it turns out, most of them have either a degree in social work or criminology and the latter is very similar to the former.  As a result, we now basically have social workers with badges.

PJ was also right when he said that the RCMP have a high turnover.  One of the reasons, is that many members are leaving the force to join municipal police forces mainly, for family stability.  They were getting tired to being transferred to places that start with the word "Fort" or end with the word "Creek".

Having said all that, I have met many current and former RCMP members who are/were dedicated and are a credit to the RCMP but, in my opinion, the Prime Minister does need to pull a Trump and do some swamp draining at RCMP HQ in Ottawa, where I believe the problem lays.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on July 25, 2017, 05:34:15 pm
I'm very sad to hear these stories about the RCMP. They were, at least to me the neatest police force out there along with the Texas Rangers. But too much power corrupts anything. Sorry to hear what they've become. Canadian CAS CITY members, you have my deepest sympathies.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on July 25, 2017, 05:45:39 pm
I have always wanted to do this as well, 1870 period, guns were always a issue. But have the 76 now but in 45-60.

I found this article today.  It's a pretty good read.

https://gunsmagazine.com/guns-of-the-scarlet-riders/


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on July 25, 2017, 06:03:05 pm
I'm very sad to hear these stories about the RCMP. They were, at least to me the neatest police force out there along with the Texas Rangers. But too much power corrupts anything. Sorry to hear what they've become. Canadian CAS CITY members, you have my deepest sympathies.

I too totally agree with Baltimore Ed's sentiments. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 25, 2017, 10:02:00 pm
Good article. I did not realize that the NWMP used the #3 .44 Russian. I just sold mine as I was unable to cock it with one paw. With two paws, using the trigger guard hook, it was a ringer on steel out to 100m.

Now you understand why our once highly esteemed national police force is no longer held in high regard. In fact, I'd say that the feeling more closely borders on contempt.

It would be as though the Texas Rangers started to allow turbans and niqabs, made up arbitrary laws as to which guns you could own in Texas and under what conditions and kicked in people's doors searching for guns during catastrophic times.

Extrapolate that to a national police agency doing those things in the name of "public safety".  Now you know why we don't see many CAS folks doing a NWMP/RCMP impression. We'd be embarrassed.


I found this article today.  It's a pretty good read.

https://gunsmagazine.com/guns-of-the-scarlet-riders/


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 15, 2017, 05:01:57 pm
Good article. I did not realize that the NWMP used the #3 .44 Russian. I just sold mine as I was unable to cock it with one paw. With two paws, using the trigger guard hook, it was a ringer on steel out to 100m.

Now you understand why our once highly esteemed national police force is no longer held in high regard. In fact, I'd say that the feeling more closely borders on contempt.

It would be as though the Texas Rangers started to allow turbans and niqabs, made up arbitrary laws as to which guns you could own in Texas and under what conditions and kicked in people's doors searching for guns during catastrophic times.

Extrapolate that to a national police agency doing those things in the name of "public safety".  Now you know why we don't see many CAS folks doing a NWMP/RCMP impression. We'd be embarrassed.



I totally understand your concerns and feelings.  It's always amazed me how people apply for employment in a uniformed service.  Knowing fully what the job requires and what the uniform dress code consists of.   Surprisingly, once they join they expect and demand special treatment due to religion or ethnic beliefs.   Uniform service has no place for religious or ethnic beliefs.    If the applicant has issues prior to applying, then don't apply!   Look for employment outside a uniformed service.   You can tell, I'm an old school law dawg. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 15, 2017, 05:13:01 pm
Update on the Mountie gear for my portrayal.   A friend sent me an old pair of his breeches.  My muskrat hat arrived today.  Red Serge is in transit from Great Britain.  My brown Sam Brown/holster/cuff case is all polished.  Just have a few more things and I'm ready!

(https://i.imgur.com/vw3z1sD.jpg)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on August 15, 2017, 05:27:07 pm
Looks like you're doing it right! 

Now you know where the expression - ".... more tongue than a Mountie's boot ...." comes from.

They keep those boots spit shined. I mean - "Whatever woukd the Queen think ....", not to forget the the RSM.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 16, 2017, 05:08:54 pm
Looks like you're doing it right! 

Now you know where the expression - ".... more tongue than a Mountie's boot ...." comes from.

They keep those boots spit shined. I mean - "Whatever woukd the Queen think ....", not to forget the the RSM.

Thanks, PJ   I'm trying!   I shipped my boots back to Canada to a business called Royal Spurs.  The owner worked at the RCMP Depot in Regina.  After he left the Depot he started his own business.   He's double soling and fitting my boots with correct spurs and leather.   He  emailed a PDF file titled Polishing 101B.  It's the RCMP polishing instructions for the Strathcona boots/ Sam Brown gun rig and Stetson hat band.  The instructions will be a big help maintaining the standards for the leather gear.  It takes 4 different color polishes to achieve the correct look.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Grenadier on August 17, 2017, 09:21:19 am
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/r__/images/3/36/Dudley_do_right.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130922235801&path-prefix=rockyandbullwinkle)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on August 17, 2017, 06:09:50 pm
"Dudley Doolittle" digs notwithstanding, you definitely are doing it right. Being ex-Regular Army and a Victorian re-enactor, I can vouch for the work and effort it takes to be Regimentaly correct - the ONLY way to do the impression.

My 1860's RE uniform was made in Toronto by the outfit that makes the uniforms for the Guards that perform on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. My repro medals are of high quality.

I served two years as a reservist after 10 years Reg Army and it used to take me an hour to don my Seaforth Highlander dress uniform AFTER things were polished, spit shined, brushed, blancoed, etc. The horse hair sporran had three brass components that needed to be removed in order to polish them. You needed a button hook to do up your white spats.

I also do Mexican Revolution as a Brit Soldier of Fortune, wearing puttees. I could also do an impression of "Steele's Scouts", the ad hoc Cowboy Cavalry formed during the 1885 Rebelllion. These guys were mostly working Cowboys, many of them Americans (some on the lam) and were required to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen Victoria.

They were issued a horse, saddle (if required), rifle and pistol (if required) and after the dust settled, they got the service medal and 160 acre land exemption.

A good book on the unit is "Cowboy Cavalry" by Gordon Tolton. I met him at Fort Whoop Up where he was working in the gift shop. I told him how much I enjoyed the book and he said - "Thank you. I wrote it"!


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 17, 2017, 06:22:08 pm
"Dudley Doolittle" digs notwithstanding, you definitely are doing it right. Being ex-Regular Army and a Victorian re-enactor, I can vouch for the work and effort it takes to be Regimentaly correct - the ONLY way to do the impression.

My 1860's RE uniform was made in Toronto by the outfit that makes the uniforms for the Guards that perform on Parliament Hill in Ottawa. My repro medals are of high quality.

I served two years as a reservist after 10 years Reg Army and it used to take me an hour to don my Seaforth Highlander dress uniform AFTER things were polished, spit shined, brushed, blancoed, etc. The horse hair sporran had three brass components that needed to be removed in order to polish them. You needed a button hook to do up your white spats.

I also do Mexican Revolution as a Brit Soldier of Fortune, wearing puttees. I could also do an impression of "Steele's Scouts", the ad hoc Cowboy Cavalry formed during the 1885 Rebelllion. These guys were mostly working Cowboys, many of them Americans (some on the lam) and were required to swear an oath of allegiance to Queen Victoria.

They were issued a horse, saddle (if required), rifle and pistol (if required) and after the dust settled, they got the service medal and 160 acre land exemption.

A good book on the unit is "Cowboy Cavalry" by Gordon Tolton. I met him at Fort Whoop Up where he was working in the gift shop. I told him how much I enjoyed the book and he said - "Thank you. I wrote it"!

Thanks, I think it's worth the effort, time and money to do it right.   Sounds like you've spent a great deal of time and money on your portrayals.   I'm going to google "Cowboy Cavalry" to see if I can find a copy.  Thanks for the referral and history lesson.  The great thing about boards like this.   You always learn from the members. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 17, 2017, 06:30:09 pm
PJ Hardtack,   

I found and purchased the book on Amazon.com for $33.88

(https://i.imgur.com/u0xxbEG.jpg)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on August 18, 2017, 06:52:45 pm
Great! You'll enjoy it and learn a lot about our common history before the 49th became a wall along the DMZ, only penetrable by illegal immigrants crossing it by hundreds daily, delivered by bus and taxi.

Tolton has other titles as well, all of them about the history of the era. I asked him if there was any money in writing about Canadian history. Answer: "No, it's a ticket to the poor house, but I can't help it. Somebody has to tell the story."

Gotta admire a man like that!

Yes, I've invested a lot in my portrayals over the years in uniforms, medals, rifles, bayonets, travel, etc. It was a lot of fun and a joy to educate the unwashed, unletterred, unappreciative public about the history of their country prior to political correctness.

It irritated the hell out of me explaining that I was NOT a member of the NWMP but a Royal Engineer circa 1858-63, the era of the Cariboo Gold Rush. In Canada, the red serge automatically means NWMP/RCMP in people's minds. I took great delight in 'splaining that the upstart NWMP never came along until 1873.

Here's a trick for you - if you can't 'splain adequately from the era, you draw a line in the dirt and step across into the current time frame. Do your 'splaining and then step back into your era.

Some things cannot be interpreted otherwise.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on August 19, 2017, 10:57:19 am
BTW, it is Dudley Do-Right;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudley_Do-Right


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 19, 2017, 02:36:10 pm
I used to watch Dudley Do Right when I was a kid.   Dudley must be past mandatory retirement age :)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: pony express on August 19, 2017, 05:42:51 pm
I used to watch Dudley Do Right when I was a kid.   Dudley must be past mandatory retirement age :)

He can't retire as long as Snidely Whiplash is on the loose! Who would rescue Nell from the train tracks?



Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 06:39:56 pm
My Mountie gear acquisition is coming along nicely! 

(https://i.imgur.com/86ARW5i.jpg)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on August 21, 2017, 06:50:37 pm
Looking real good. Don't forget the white lanyard. Where did you get your tunic? Nice looking. Here I am in my RE tunic made by Coon Creek Old West.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 07:13:37 pm
Looking real good. Don't forget the white lanyard. Where did you get your tunic? Nice looking. Here I am in my RE tunic made by Coon Creek Old West.

Thanks, Ed

I have the lanyard, just didn't have it on for the photo.   I bought 2 tunics an original and a reproduction.  The one in the photos is the reproduction.  I bought it off ebay for under $100.  The seller has tunics in all different sizes.  If you're in the market for one.  Go on Ebay and type in RCMP Red Serge or Tunic.  He didn't have my size listed, so I messaged him.  That's how I found out he stocks all the sizes. 

(https://i.imgur.com/u5geDvz.gif)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on August 21, 2017, 07:50:23 pm
That looks GREAT! (From an ignorant American who only had good feelings about the RCMP/NWMP prior to reading what some of our Canadian pards have written here.)

CC Griff

P.S.  I have appreciated the RCMP response to various police funerals over the years.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 08:07:34 pm
That looks GREAT! (From an ignorant American who only had good feelings about the RCMP/NWMP prior to reading what some of our Canadian pards have written here.)

CC Griff

P.S.  I have appreciated the RCMP response to various police funerals over the years.

Thanks, Coal Creek

I always had nothing but respect for the NWMP/RCMP too.   It's a shame they've apparently lost a step or two in the eyes of their citizens.  I totally agree they've had a good presence at American police funerals. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on August 21, 2017, 09:03:34 pm
I forgot to ask but what pistol are you carrying, Mountie txchuckcook? I carried my .45 New Services when I wore my red tunic and swapped out my RE collar insignia for RCMP insignia. Did your outfit come from Singapore? That the only one that I see.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 09:13:24 pm
I forgot to ask but what pistol are you carrying, Mountie txchuckcook? I carried my .45 New Services when I wore my red tunic and swapped out my RE collar insignia for RCMP insignia. Did your outfit come from Singapore? That the only one that I see.

Singapore is the correct one.  Barry is the person I contacted.  I believe he's the contact or partner in the states.  He was very easy to work with.  The first tunic they sent did not fit.  I sent it back and they exchanged it.   As of now, I'm using a Colt 45LC.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on August 21, 2017, 09:15:46 pm
Thanks, Coal Creek

I always had nothing but respect for the NWMP/RCMP too.   It's a shame they've apparently lost a step or two in the eyes of their citizens.  I totally agree they've had a good presence at American police funerals. 

More than just a step or two, I assure you. Their anti-gun track record over the last few years has dropped their popularity with the general public immensely. One of Sir Robert Peel's principles of good and effective policing is willing public support. The modern rcmp (note the lack of capitals) has utterly disregarded that.

There are still many good Mounties out there, the problem is with their politicized upper management. A national police force ought not to be making up arbitrary rules re: what guns vetted, licenced gun owners can have and under what conditions. That is more than a little over the top, more like one would expect from a Third World police state.

You guys are representing them from an era where they were still held in high regard - except for out native and Metis populations. They still hold grudges stemming from historic wrongs as the enforcers of government policy.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 09:39:14 pm
More than just a step or two, I assure you. Their anti-gun track record over the last few years has dropped their popularity with the general public immensely. One of Sir Robert Peel's principles of good and effective policing is willing public support. The modern rcmp (note the lack of capitals) has utterly disregarded that.

There are still many good Mounties out there, the problem is with their politicized upper management. A national police force ought not to be making up arbitrary rules re: what guns vetted, licenced gun owners can have and under what conditions. That is more than a little over the top, more like one would expect from a Third World police state.

You guys are representing them from an era where they were still held in high regard - except for out native and Metis populations. They still hold grudges stemming from historic wrongs as the enforcers of government policy.


I wouldn't be happy at all with arbitrary rules on firearms by law enforcement either.  We have a hard enough time dealing with liberal Democrats.  Most of them have zero knowledge on firearms.  Their lack of knowledge never stops them from talking and trying to pass anti-gun legistation.    I've read several posts by members of the RCMP.  Apparently, some of the rank and file have concerns with their leadership.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on August 21, 2017, 10:05:33 pm
Thanks, Ed

I have the lanyard, just didn't have it on for the photo.   I bought 2 tunics an original and a reproduction.  The one in the photos is the reproduction.  I bought it off ebay for under $100.  The seller has tunics in all different sizes.  If you're in the market for one.  Go on Ebay and type in RCMP Red Serge or Tunic.  He didn't have my size listed, so I messaged him.  That's how I found out he stocks all the sizes. 

(https://i.imgur.com/u5geDvz.gif)

Make sure that your lanyard knot touches your top button.  Sgt Preston missed this a few times.  Now you need the RCMP metal tags for the shoulder boards.  Also why not promote yourself to Sgt. three hooks and a crown worn on only the right arm.  Might as well give yourself 2 or 3 service stars (each 5 yrs service) worn on the upper left arm mid way between elbow and shoulder.

The RCMP is still a good outfit, They just badly need a leadership adjustment at the senior level. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 10:20:38 pm
Make sure that your lanyard knot touches your top button.  Sgt Preston missed this a few times.  Now you need the RCMP metal tags for the shoulder boards.  Also why not promote yourself to Sgt. three hooks and a crown worn on only the right arm.  Might as well give yourself 2 or 3 service stars (each 5 yrs service) worn on the upper left arm mid way between elbow and shoulder.

The RCMP is still a good outfit, They just badly need a leadership adjustment at the senior level. 


Creek,

That's good info on the lanyard knot.  I wasn't aware of the knot rule, I appreciate the heads up.  I purchased a pair of RCMP shoulder titles last week.  They haven't arrived yet.  I've been keeping an eye out for Sgt stripes with crown, service stars, crossed pistols and crossed rifles.   I'm sure they will turn up soon.   

(https://i.imgur.com/A3T2vO5.gif)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 21, 2017, 10:29:54 pm
Looking real good. Don't forget the white lanyard. Where did you get your tunic? Nice looking. Here I am in my RE tunic made by Coon Creek Old West.

Ed,  That's a good photo!


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on August 21, 2017, 11:29:11 pm
We were talking about RCMP members attending law enforcement funerals.  Here's a photo from 2009.  This picture shows maybe half of the Mounties that were there as they prepared to march in.  It was very impressive and a great show of support to the families of the four fallen officers.

CC Griff


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 22, 2017, 12:03:12 am
That is a very impressive showing of support by the RCMP.   


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on August 22, 2017, 07:54:25 pm
The RCMP is still a good outfit, They just badly need a leadership adjustment at the senior level. 

You got that right! Hate to keep hammering away at this .....

But the rank & file will always close ranks when the chips are down. For example, after the travesty of kicking in 1500 doors at High River, Alberta, to search for guns and ammo after residents had been evacuated due to a devastating flood, not ONE has stepped forward to say who issued the order.

No one has been named, no one has been disciplined, no one has been charged. The Army had been patrolling in LAV's and operating boats while this was happening. When they realized what was going down, they withdrew, thereby saving their honour. The rcmp sacrificed their's by following orders.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on August 23, 2017, 09:26:09 am
Mountie Txchuckcook, I ordered one. Lets see what I get. My 1912 Punitive Expedition tunic got sent back twice before I got one that fit and it's still on the short side but the sleeves work. I'm thinking that it came from WPG.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on August 23, 2017, 12:46:31 pm

Creek,

That's good info on the lanyard knot.  I wasn't aware of the knot rule, I appreciate the heads up.  I purchased a pair of RCMP shoulder titles last week.  They haven't arrived yet.  I've been keeping an eye out for Sgt stripes with crown, service stars, crossed pistols and crossed rifles.   I'm sure they will turn up soon.   

(https://i.imgur.com/A3T2vO5.gif)

Is your holster for a revolver or a semi auto?  Just wondering what era it is from.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on August 23, 2017, 02:36:23 pm
Creek,

It's made for a revolver.

(https://i.imgur.com/IKNbh2N.jpg)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 02, 2017, 12:01:54 pm
I finally acquired all the necessary Mountie gear for my impression.   Now working on building a gun cart specific for a Mountie.   I've decided to modify a dog sled.   My thoughts are to install wheels on the inside of the runners, add canvas or wood sides with the RCMP emblem on both sides.   Build an oak rifle rack which follows the angle/contour of the sled.   Install a wood box in the bed for ammo and gun supplies.  Add a wooden box for a cooler on the runners behind the seat.  Once loaded drape a buffalo hide over the loaded bed.   It should turn out to be a pretty unique gun cart.



Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on September 02, 2017, 05:13:51 pm
I finally acquired all the necessary Mountie gear for my impression.   Now working on building a gun cart specific for a Mountie.   I've decided to modify a dog sled.   My thoughts are to install wheels on the inside of the runners, add canvas or wood sides with the RCMP emblem on both sides.   Build an oak rifle rack which follows the angle/contour of the sled.   Install a wood box in the bed for ammo and gun supplies.  Add a wooden box for a cooler on the runners behind the seat.  Once loaded drape a buffalo hide over the loaded bed.   It should turn out to be a pretty unique gun cart.



 What a neat idea, be sure to show us pics when you get it done.  You might have to change your alias to "Sgt Preston"'  :D


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 02, 2017, 05:58:13 pm
Now you need a Malamute to pull the cart.

Another idea would be a Metis Shaganappi cart with babiche (raw hide) wrapped wheels. Rattle Snake Jack has just such a cart, a real work of art.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 02, 2017, 07:51:08 pm
What a neat idea, be sure to show us pics when you get it done.  You might have to change your alias to "Sgt Preston"'  :D


Creek,  We must think alike.  I contacted SASS last week and changed my alias to Sergeant Klondike.   I'll post photos when I've finished the sled.   



Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 02, 2017, 07:53:29 pm
Now you need a Malamute to pull the cart.

Another idea would be a Metis Shaganappi cart with babiche (raw hide) wrapped wheels. Rattle Snake Jack has just such a cart, a real work of art.

PJ,   I had to do a google search for Metis Shaganappi cart.  That would be a good cart too.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: pony express on September 02, 2017, 09:30:33 pm
Txchuckcook, I don't find your coat on E-bay, maybe I'm just not searching right.  :)
Was it from someone known by Barry Lindon  or Kliederkasse/ Spearhead Militaria? If it is, I've looked at some of his other items. If I can ask, how is the quality and service time?


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on September 02, 2017, 10:02:53 pm
Your portrayal sounds awesome! Thanks for including us!

CC Griff


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 03, 2017, 06:10:28 am
Txchuckcook, I don't find your coat on E-bay, maybe I'm just not searching right.  :)
Was it from someone known by Barry Lindon  or Kliederkasse/ Spearhead Militaria? If it is, I've looked at some of his other items. If I can ask, how is the quality and service time?

The below link might help.   If your size is not currently listed, contact the seller.  He stocks many sizes.  The quality is good. The brass buttons are generic however work fine.  I have enough RCMP buttons that I can replace the generic one.  Most folks might not even recognize the difference..  It took several weeks for delivery.   After I purchased the tunic, I found and bought an issued RCMP Tunic. It was new or only worn a few times.  It fits perfect so I'll use it most of the time.     

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWI-WWII-Pattern-CanadianMP-Red-Srege-Servie-Dress-Tunic-L-/152638102704?hash=item2389f09cb0:g:bdgAAOSwa-dWjfHC  (http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWI-WWII-Pattern-CanadianMP-Red-Srege-Servie-Dress-Tunic-L-/152638102704?hash=item2389f09cb0:g:bdgAAOSwa-dWjfHC)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 03, 2017, 06:11:46 am
Your portrayal sounds awesome! Thanks for including us!

CC Griff

Thanks CC


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: pony express on September 03, 2017, 09:04:23 am
Thanks! I wasn't looking at doing an RCMP,(or NWMP)impression, but looking at some of his other military uniforms. French greatcoat for Foreign Legion. I did notice the plain brass buttons, but I bought some "Legion Etranger" buttons several years ago off e-bay I can use.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 03, 2017, 11:31:37 am
I had some free time today, so I thought I would make a few SASS business cards.   I used a friend's actual business card for the basic design.  Then changed the information to fit my SASS alias. 





Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on September 04, 2017, 11:57:36 am
That's a neat bus card. It was the "Northwest Mounted Police" until 1904, when it was awarded the prefix "Royal". In the absence of an original, I think a Carte de Visite with an 19th century font would be closer to the marque.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 04, 2017, 12:12:42 pm
Txchuckcook/ Sgt Klondike, appears that you have a split personality. Either a chef or a cop. Food police? You don't say if you were a good cook but you look good as a Sgt so I'd keep that persona. I'm still trying to mail off my uniform for one a bit bigger. Two different local post offices couldn't do it and by the time that I got to the big PO Saturday they were closed. Hopefully tomorrow and then I will order my insignia. Can't wait to see your sled. The bigger the wheels the easier it will move.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on September 04, 2017, 12:22:39 pm
I've wondered what time period you're after too.  It may be too late, but I'd find a better copy of this logo if I was making business cards.  I think the uniform that you've put together looks GREAT!

CC Griff


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 04, 2017, 12:33:58 pm
That's a neat bus card. It was the "Northwest Mounted Police" until 1904, when it was awarded the prefix "Royal". In the absence of an original, I think a Carte de Visite with an 19th century font would be closer to the marque.


I was unable to locate period correct NWMP collar and shoulder titles.   In the absence of those, I elected to do an RCMP impression.   


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 04, 2017, 12:46:36 pm
Txchuckcook/ Sgt Klondike, appears that you have a split personality. Either a chef or a cop. Food police? You don't say if you were a good cook but you look good as a Sgt so I'd keep that persona. I'm still trying to mail off my uniform for one a bit bigger. Two different local post offices couldn't do it and by the time that I got to the big PO Saturday they were closed. Hopefully tomorrow and then I will order my insignia. Can't wait to see your sled. The bigger the wheels the easier it will move.

Ed,  I'm like an onion, many layers :)   I'm a pretty good open fire dutch over cook.  I've owned and cooked on the chuckwagon for 20+ years.

Wonder why the local post offices couldn't or wouldn't mail the package.  Was it because the shipping address was out of the country?  My local PO didn't hesitate, they had all the correct forms on hand.   

The dog sled should be here early next week.   I'll be in cooking in Olathe, Kansas at the end of the month for their Wild West Festival.  I really would like to have the sled finished before I leave.  If not, I'll finish it as soon as I return.     


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 04, 2017, 12:54:12 pm
Just a thought before I mail this tunic back overseas, are there any other cowpokes interested in a Red Serge impression? The tunic looks to be well made, nice stitching, buttons are not too hot though. My tunic is XL and is tight across my shoulders and tummy but was correct in the sleeves. I usually get XL long shirts which fit ok. My waist is 38 in. I would take 60.00 plus shipping if anyone is interested. Looks like what Sgt Klondike has on in his photos.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 04, 2017, 01:02:23 pm
I've wondered what time period you're after too.  It may be too late, but I'd find a better copy of this logo if I was making business cards.  I think the uniform that you've put together looks GREAT!

CC Griff

I originally considered the NWMP mountie impression.  It quickly became evident, that wasn't as realistic as I once thought.   Finding the correct NWMP collar badges, shoulder titles and tunic was damn near impossible.  I then shifted gears to a more Sergeant Preston look.   

Thanks for adding the photo.   The uniform I have now is an issued uniform with the exception of the Sam Brown rig.  The rig is a very good reproduction. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: pony express on September 04, 2017, 02:22:14 pm
Baltimore Ed, I too wear XL in most shirts. XL is listed as 46-48" chest, which is what I measure, but I've found size 48 coats usually are tight.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 04, 2017, 02:39:38 pm
That's a neat bus card. It was the "Northwest Mounted Police" until 1904, when it was awarded the prefix "Royal". In the absence of an original, I think a Carte de Visite with an 19th century font would be closer to the marque.

My thoughts as well.  The card looks like an attempt to impersonate a current member of the rcmp.

I doubt that in the era members had a 'carte de visite' unless they were commissioned Officers.

When I was serving, we referred to collar bagdes as "collar dogs". Don't ask me why .....


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 04, 2017, 02:44:27 pm
Coal Creek,

I found a good one.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 04, 2017, 03:07:21 pm
Sir Charles, 

I like your Carte de Visite idea.   I searched google, the results produced many good examples.  Seems as photography studios back then often used the cards.



Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 13, 2017, 04:12:01 pm
Started building my gun cart this week.  Working on adding wheels between the runners, two wood ammo boxes.  One box in the bed against the seat back. The other behind the seat in a cradle on the runners.  Finally the rifle rack.   

(https://i.imgur.com/f3lM29v.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cWutuLw.jpg)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Good Troy on September 13, 2017, 04:34:20 pm
Sgt. Klondike...I've enjoyed following this thread!  Thanks for sharing all this!

I noticed from you card that you are only about 1-1/2 hrs from the Berger Sharp Shooters, an NCOWS club.  You might want to check them out.  I've made it up there a handful of times, and shot with them.  Will be at their annual match at the end of this month.

Also, you might find so interest in the Grand Army of the Frontier...there is a website with info and a group in this forum.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 14, 2017, 06:01:46 am
Thanks Good Troy,   I'll check out Berger Sharp Shooters.   I might be in Kansas the end of the month, if not I'll try and go to the match.  


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on September 14, 2017, 10:58:58 am
Started building my gun cart this week.  Working on adding wheels between the runners, two wood ammo boxes.  One box in the bed against the seat back. The other behind the seat in a cradle on the runners.  Finally the rifle rack.   

(https://i.imgur.com/f3lM29v.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/cWutuLw.jpg)


BRILLIANT! ::)


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 14, 2017, 12:52:39 pm
Sir Charles,  I appreciate it!  It should be a very unique gun cart when it's finished.   


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 14, 2017, 06:36:05 pm
Who's training the dog to pull it?

It would be good gun cart for this neck of the woods where we have nine months of winter and three months of tough sledding.


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 15, 2017, 05:25:07 am
PJ,  We don't have dogs anymore.  Might use one of our reindeer, they would fit in perfectly in your area. 


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Good Troy on September 15, 2017, 07:36:01 am
Thanks Good Troy,   I'll check out Berger Sharp Shooters.   I might be in Kansas the end of the month, if not I'll try and go to the match.  

There is a match at Berger Sharpshooters the 1st and 3rd Saturday of each month.  So there is a match tomorrow as well.  The one at the end of the month is the annual match, Joe Berger Memorial Match, and it is a hoot!  Hope you make it there soon, you will be more than welcome, and will have a "blast"!


Title: Re: RCMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 15, 2017, 01:21:24 pm
Thanks for the info Good Troy.  I'm looking forward to attending.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 15, 2017, 03:05:41 pm
Making a little progress.  Tried my hand at steaming and bending wood.  It was much easier than I thought.  Stained the sled and finished the wrappings.  Next, Canvas sides and boxes.  Once the boxes are in place, it will be time to build the rifle rack.   

(https://i.imgur.com/i0LVhyT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RYc8wLE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/q9bme1R.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 15, 2017, 06:02:21 pm
Tomorrow's schedule: 

1. Cover the thin wood panels with canvas
2. Make the back panel and cover with canvas

As of now, the sled moves easily over dirt, grass, concrete and gravel driveways.  Unless it becomes an issue, I don't plan on adding wheels.

(https://i.imgur.com/4dhLl1N.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 15, 2017, 08:46:51 pm
Just screw on some steel runners. They will last a long time and skid on pretty well any surface.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 15, 2017, 09:57:06 pm
It looks great and slides good mty but wait until you load it up with all your shootin irons and a match's worth of lead, plus the woodwork to keep your longguns and ammo stationary. And don't forget water and food for you and the huskies or donkeys or reindeer or whatever. Build your boxes and gun mounts and load'er up and see what happens. Nice work there Sgt.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 16, 2017, 09:34:45 am
PJ,  I think you're right about adding steel runners. 


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 16, 2017, 09:39:14 am
Ed,   I agree, once it's loaded I'll be able to tell how must actual pulling resistance it has.  If it's not bad, I'll take it to a few matches and see how it does in the field.  If it ends up becoming uncomfortable to pull, I'll add wheels. 


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 16, 2017, 09:50:06 am
Thanks, Coal Creek Griff!  I appreciate you taking the time to scan and email a high-resolution NWMP logo.  I ordered two 5-inch iron-on decals for the canvas sides.   

(https://i.imgur.com/O7Sy4kT.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on September 16, 2017, 10:23:32 am
That looks GREAT!  I'm glad to have been able to help.

CC Griff


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 16, 2017, 02:44:37 pm
I still regret not having purchased an 'as new' rcmp cape with the beautiful buffalo head devices that connected to the chain closure. At the time I had a similar cape from the Royal Military College I use in my RE portrayal.

I also balked on an 'as new' Winnipeg Police buffalo coat that fit me perfectly. Could have had it for $750. It had a tag on it for $900 at a show and I walked away to think on it, came back and it was gone.

Snooze - ya loose.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 17, 2017, 09:06:42 am
I think we've all been in the same boat before.  I've let a few great deals slip through my fingers.  I try very hard to not let that happen nowadays. 

That's a shame about the buffalo coat.  I have one that keeps me toasty during the winter.       


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 20, 2017, 08:30:13 am
Working on my extreme winter look. 

(https://i.imgur.com/1pyIyYF.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 20, 2017, 10:08:34 am
WOW!! Gorgeous. Making me hot just looking atcha. Curious but how many Mounties got mistook for sasquarches? I will definitely have to get one of those hats for my outfit before winter.

PJ. Just found this. Theres an outfit called Fur Hat World that lists a muskrat fur rcmp hat for 140.00 including shipping. Good reviews. Probably get one next payday.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 20, 2017, 10:25:26 am
The rcmp are no longer issuing the muskrat winter hats - too expensive. Last one I saw was asking $350.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 20, 2017, 01:21:01 pm
Next step.... Staining and lettering the two boxes.   Build a raised box frame behind the seat at the same height as the bed.  Finally, build the rifle rack.   Probably, moving the Winchester ammo box 8 inches back towards the seat.  I'm going to move the box in different positions once the rifle rack is built, to see what works and looks best.   

(https://i.imgur.com/cFJoMk8.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/qGvOEEY.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/f8iOvXQ.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 20, 2017, 01:38:42 pm
Like your box joinery there Klondike.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 20, 2017, 02:29:38 pm
You're quite an artisan! Good lookin' work.

That sled is gonna weigh a mite when fully loaded. I predict some discreet wheels 'ere long .....


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 20, 2017, 02:54:21 pm
This isn't the actual box frame.  Just a pine prototype to work out the kinks.  One issue I found so far.  The box needs to mount approximately 1.5 inches away from the back of the seat.  If not, the box lid will not open all the way.   

(https://i.imgur.com/8hfPvTd.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Good Troy on September 20, 2017, 03:07:47 pm
This is amazing!


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 20, 2017, 04:03:04 pm
You're quite an artisan! Good lookin' work.

That sled is gonna weigh a mite when fully loaded. I predict some discreet wheels 'ere long .....

Thanks, PJ, It's going to be nip and tuck on the wheels.  A few fields tests should tell it.   I bought two sections of 6 foot by 2-inch flat stock steel to bolt on the bottom of the runners.  Hopefully, that will assist in gliding.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on September 20, 2017, 04:04:07 pm
This is amazing!

Thanks, Good Troy!   It's been a fun project.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on September 21, 2017, 08:08:54 am
Well Sarge, now all you need is snow.  :D   I sure would like to see the faces on your shooting pards when you roll in with that whole outfit.  You certainly deserve a trophy for "Spirit of the game".

Cheers!


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Abilene on September 21, 2017, 10:23:22 am
thHowdy fellas, sorry to butt in but you guys should know the answer to my question.  At ShotShow a couple years ago, I was showing the Cimarron NWMP 1876 to a guy from Canada, and then he told me he was a Mountie and he gave me a lapel pin such as Sergeant Klondike is wearing (not sure on his, but this one has red in the crown).  I have been wearing it on my vest lapel for CAS.  If asked, the story is that I helped the NWMP catch a criminal and they gave it to me.  Anyways, I am curious if this design dates back to the 19th century or if it is a more modern design?  Thanks!


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on September 21, 2017, 02:21:19 pm
thHowdy fellas, sorry to butt in but you guys should know the answer to my question.  At ShotShow a couple years ago, I was showing the Cimarron NWMP 1876 to a guy from Canada, and then he told me he was a Mountie and he gave me a lapel pin such as Sergeant Klondike is wearing (not sure on his, but this one has red in the crown).  I have been wearing it on my vest lapel for CAS.  If asked, the story is that I helped the NWMP catch a criminal and they gave it to me.  Anyways, I am curious if this design dates back to the 19th century or if it is a more modern design?  Thanks!

If it has red in the crown, then it is from 1954 to present.  The crest on Sgt Klondike's sled is "probably" commemorative, as it has the modern Queens crown and, it doesn't match any official crest of the NWMP.  The NWMP crest has the word Canada right under the crown, the full words NWMP on the ribbon at the bottom of the crest and MAINTIENS . LE . DROIT Is on the ribbon surrounding the buffalo head.  The RNWMP crest is the same except for the added word, Royal.  The first RCMP crest (1920-1954) is similar to the current one except the wreath was wider at the bottom and narrower at the top and in 1954 the crown changed from the King's crown to the Queen's crown and the little what looks like a bow tie at the bottom, disappeared.   Hope this helps.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Abilene on September 22, 2017, 11:09:57 am
If it has red in the crown, then it is from 1954 to present.  The crest on Sgt Klondike's sled is "probably" commemorative, as it has the modern Queens crown and, it doesn't match any official crest of the NWMP.  The NWMP crest has the word Canada right under the crown, the full words NWMP on the ribbon at the bottom of the crest and MAINTIENS . LE . DROIT Is on the ribbon surrounding the buffalo head.  The RNWMP crest is the same except for the added word, Royal.  The first RCMP crest (1920-1954) is similar to the current one except the wreath was wider at the bottom and narrower at the top and in 1954 the crown changed from the King's crown to the Queen's crown and the little what looks like a bow tie at the bottom, disappeared.   Hope this helps.

Thank you so much for all the details.  Well even though this one does not date to frontier times, it still does in my story and I really like it.  It is a beautiful little pin.  Took a pic of mine:
(http://davidscottharper.com/photos/RCMP%20pin.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on September 22, 2017, 02:17:11 pm
Thank you so much for all the details.  Well even though this one does not date to frontier times, it still does in my story and I really like it.  It is a beautiful little pin.  Took a pic of mine:
(http://davidscottharper.com/photos/RCMP%20pin.jpg)


That's the post 1954 version.  The Queen's crown has the dip on the top center and the King's crown has a rounded top . Judging by the size of the button hole in comparison, it looks like what we call a collar dog as opposed to a lapel pin.  They have three styles of lapel pins that I am aware of, one is a member on a horse (same one that is on Sgt Klondikes business card) plus a small replica of their police badge along with their shoulder patch all in lapel pin size.  The collar dogs are worn on the lapels of the tunic or on the collar of the red serge tunic as per Sgt Klondikes photos.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Abilene on September 22, 2017, 05:08:04 pm
Gotcha.  I was trying to figure out what you were calling a button hole, it is actually just a seam that shows up in the pic, but what shows up is about the size of a button hole  :) .  The pin is 1.26" tall.

Thanks again for all the detail!

BTW, I know nothing more about Mounties than from the movies and such, but I must say to Sgt. Klondike that everything you are putting together looks outstanding!

One last thing, I was happy to see on the back that it is made in Canada, not China  ;D


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on October 11, 2017, 04:59:15 pm
Finally had time today to finish the gun cart.   Added the wooden boxes, steel runners and long gun rack.   It was a fun project, but I'm glad it's finished.

(https://i.imgur.com/wtGxnlu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/uavP8nN.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rxTXU72.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on October 11, 2017, 05:12:41 pm
Very nice, Sarge!  How does it slide with the weight on it?  It doesn't look like you added wheels to the runners.

Now all you need is that NWMP carbine!

CC Griff


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on October 11, 2017, 05:31:57 pm
Very nice, Sarge!  How does it slide with the weight on it?  It doesn't look like you added wheels to the runners.

Now all you need is that NWMP carbine!

CC Griff

Thanks,  It has a tad more resistance, but not enough to make it uncomfortable to pull.   I'll field test it a few times, then decide about the wheels. 


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on October 11, 2017, 06:24:02 pm
A very neat rig there Sgt Klondike. I like it a lot but I see wheels in your future. I was wondering how you planned to stow your long guns on it. My only issue (and with not being currently active in SASS, NCOWS or GAF officially run matches) would be your closed double. The last that I knew long gun actions had to be open except when preparing to shoot or shooting. In a guncart or carrying actions were to be open. Now I might be wrong and I'm sure that others will chime in if I am. Looks real good. Hopefully I wil have my uniform together soon.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on October 11, 2017, 07:17:06 pm
A very neat rig there Sgt Klondike. I like it a lot but I see wheels in your future. I was wondering how you planned to stow your long guns on it. My only issue (and with not being currently active in SASS, NCOWS or GAF officially run matches) would be your closed double. The last that I knew long gun actions had to be open when except when preparing to shoot or shooting. In a guncart or carrying actions were to be open. Now I might be wrong and I'm sure that others will chime in if I am. Looks real good. Hopefully I wil have my uniform together soon.

Thanks, Ed!   The rifle actions and coach gun can open on the cart.  I just didn't open them for the photo.   Did you take your Red Serge to the seamstress this week?


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on October 11, 2017, 11:36:05 pm
My first choice  cleaners/seamstress wouldn't do my button holes but I found another who might. I will carry it to her later this week. She can do the sleeve insignia though. She was knee deep in Marine dress uniforms for the upcoming balls this month.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 12, 2017, 10:24:08 am
This sort of memorabilia turns up at gun shows on a regular basis. My ex-wife was a civilian employee of the rcmp for years and had a lot of it she gave away as gifts.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on November 01, 2017, 06:49:59 pm
My boots finally came back from Royal Spurs in Regina.   They did an awesome job adding Spurs, double soling, permanent side lacing and blocking.   My persona/portrayal is finally finished.  Now it's time to start burning powder!

(https://i.imgur.com/SCdv6bx.jpg)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on November 01, 2017, 08:08:13 pm
Outstanding! Maintien Le Droit.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on November 02, 2017, 09:26:23 am
Looks good Sarge.  Just one thing, the ammo pouch is worn on the right side just ahead of the holster.  You have a realistic number of service stars for your rank.  Saw Nelson Eddy in Rose Marie yesterday on Turner Classic Movies ( I'm calling yooooooooou) he was a Sgt with one service star, must have been a streamer. ;)

Cheers!


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on November 02, 2017, 10:36:21 am
Obviously Sgt. Klondike is using the privilege of rank in that he knows the proper way to reload a DA revolver - with the left hand!

Drives me nuts to see revolver shooters in IDPA and IPSC switching hands to reload a revolver. These same people are capable of reloading an auto pistol in a flash with the left hand under match pressure.

Looks good Sarge.  Just one thing, the ammo pouch is worn on the right side just ahead of the holster. 

Cheers!


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on November 02, 2017, 11:20:52 am
I had to drag out my Phillips & Klancher. Prior to the adoption of the Sam Browne accoutrements the revolver holster seemed to be commonly on the left. Ammunition was carried in a looped waist belt, and in 1887 a bandolier was added. With the Sam Browne gear the holster was on the right with the ammo pouch to its front, also on the right. Page 160 of Arms & Accoutrements of the Mounted Police 1873 - 1973 illustrates the evolution of the Sam Browne revolver belt from about 1890 to1963.

On the prior page, p.159, the 1969 issue revolver belt is illustrated. The caption mentions the "pouch for 6 cartridges", but to photo omits the pouch?


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on November 02, 2017, 12:24:28 pm
Outstanding! Maintien Le Droit.

Thanks PJ


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on November 02, 2017, 12:28:29 pm
Looks good Sarge.  Just one thing, the ammo pouch is worn on the right side just ahead of the holster.  You have a realistic number of service stars for your rank.  Saw Nelson Eddy in Rose Marie yesterday on Turner Classic Movies ( I'm calling yooooooooou) he was a Sgt with one service star, must have been a streamer. ;)

Cheers!

Thanks Creek.   I knew the ammo was on the wrong side.  At the time of the photo, I didn't feel like changing everything on the belt.   Later that night I made the adjustment.   Thanks for keeping me correct.    Sergeant Preston had one service star too.  They were climbing the ladder fast :)


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on November 02, 2017, 02:14:48 pm
Obviously Sgt. Klondike is using the privilege of rank in that he knows the proper way to reload a DA revolver - with the left hand!

Drives me nuts to see revolver shooters in IDPA and IPSC switching hands to reload a revolver. These same people are capable of reloading an auto pistol in a flash with the left hand under match pressure.


You are right PJ about the ammo pouch being more efficient on the left when loading a double action.  Not sure what they were thinking when the came out with the dress regs saying it is to be on the right.  One would think someone would have put in a suggestion outlining how inefficient it was for reloading to have it mounted on that side. 

Looking at a 1895 photo with 7 members of the Pincher Creek Detachment, it shows  the side arm on the left, butt forward with pistol ammo on loops western style on the right side of the belt. So, the ammo pouch obviously came in much later. I also noticed that the lanyard knot is at belt level just off to the right side, and they are all wearing the unauthorized stetson at the time, with the Sgt wearing the right brim turned up Australian  style.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on November 02, 2017, 05:18:04 pm
As for the location of the ammo pouch, you have to remember that until they were first issued a 9mm semi-auto, rcmp recruits were taught to single action cock their .38 Spl. M10 S&W revolvers and shoot with one paw. I don't think they were ever issued speed loaders and were likely discouraged from carrying them as 'non-issue' items.

In most things, the rcmp moves at glacial speed when it comes to adopting what works, i.e the delay in getting AR15 "police carbines" (aka "assault rifles when in civilian hands) into service.

I trained a few rcmp types on both the PROPER way to load and shoot revolvers ala IPSC and the semi-auto. Got my knuckls rapped for so doing until I 'splained that THEY asked me, I didn't ask them.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on November 02, 2017, 08:17:14 pm
As for the location of the ammo pouch, you have to remember that until they were first issued a 9mm semi-auto, rcmp recruits were taught to single action cock their .35 Spl. M10 S&W revolvers and shoot with one paw. I don't think they were ever issued speed loaders and were likely discouraged from carrying them as 'non-issue' items.

In most things, the rcmp moves at glacial speed when it comes to adopting what works, i.e the delay in getting AR15 "police carbines" (aka "assault rifles when in civilian hands) into service.

I trained a few rcmp types on both the PROPER way to load and shoot revolvers ala IPSC and the semi-auto. Got my knuckls rapped for so doing until I 'splained that THEY asked me, I didn't ask them.

Members of the Innisfail Detachment carried 2 speed loaders on the left side front until they went semi auto.  Of course they were one of the last police forces to switch to semi auto


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on November 04, 2017, 07:14:51 am
Sgt Klondike, you has certainly nailed the entire persona. Your uniform and accoutrements are 100% and I especially like the dog sled gun cart. Wow! Very nice job.


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on November 04, 2017, 07:51:56 am
Thanks Ed

I hope your having as much fun putting yours together as I did with mine. 


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Baltimore Ed on November 04, 2017, 08:07:54 am
Something that I realized the other day is that your RCMP Stetson is slightly different than my DI Stetson. Other than the obvious color the dimples are 45 degrees different, my ridges are square to the front, back, L,R while your hats dimples are square to the front back. Something the average cowboy wouldn't even notice unless we were standing next to each other. I might have to invest in still another hat???


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on November 04, 2017, 09:34:41 am
Something that I realized the other day is that your RCMP Stetson is slightly different than my DI Stetson. Other than the obvious color the dimples are 45 degrees different, my ridges are square to the front, back, L,R while your hats dimples are square to the front back. Something the average cowboy wouldn't even notice unless we were standing next to each other. I might have to invest in still another hat???

Sgt Klondike's stetson is a true copy.  But, you are right, the average U.S. cowboy probably wouldn't know the difference having never seen one in real life. other than in the movies.

Cheers!


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Ol Gabe on November 05, 2017, 10:58:42 am
Jist an observation here, only...
Awhile back someone posted old pics of the Gold Rush late in a former century, don't recall if they were in Canada or Alaska Territory. At any rate, in the pic of a town plumb full of guys with gear, almost to a man they were wearing the Mountie-style hat, must have become instantly popular and available overnight at the local haberdashery!
Hopefully someone will recall the pic and repost it here.
Best regards and good researching!
'Ol Gabe


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on November 05, 2017, 05:04:18 pm
Something that I realized the other day is that your RCMP Stetson is slightly different than my DI Stetson. Other than the obvious color the dimples are 45 degrees different, my ridges are square to the front, back, L,R while your hats dimples are square to the front back. Something the average cowboy wouldn't even notice unless we were standing next to each other. I might have to invest in still another hat???

Ed, I think your hat has a crease similar to the Montana Peak style. 


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Sergeant Klondike on November 05, 2017, 05:17:44 pm
Sgt Klondike's stetson is a true copy.  But, you are right, the average U.S. cowboy probably wouldn't know the difference having never seen one in real life. other than in the movies.

Cheers!

During my uniform gathering adventure, I was fortunate to locate a new/old inventory RCMP issued hat and hatband.  The sweatband has the maker and RCMP markings.  It was made by Biltmore-Canada on October 1997. 

(https://i.imgur.com/TIwc1B3.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UdnAa19.jpg)



Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on November 05, 2017, 09:15:36 pm
For those wondering what GRC means, it's French for RCMP ...Gendarmerie royal du Canada


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on November 09, 2017, 11:27:07 am
I'm pretty sure that "Rattlesnake Jack" posted some pics on this topic a few days back. Where did they go?


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on November 09, 2017, 11:36:42 am
Was it these pictures?

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,1340.msg717052.html#msg717052 (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,1340.msg717052.html#msg717052)

CC Griff


Title: Re: NWMP Mountie Portrayal
Post by: PJ Hardtack on November 10, 2017, 11:58:37 am
Yes. I was looking on the wrong forum.