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Title: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on December 30, 2016, 09:36:28 PM
Over the years a lot of people have voiced a desire to have a .44 Spcl 1860 Henry.  I know it's been discussed before, but I need a show of hands (or pocketbooks that those hands can reach).  In two weeks it will be Shot Show time and I'll be working the Cimarron booth and hanging around Mike Harvey, and I'd like to put the bug in his ear again with some numbers.  Last time I asked him (maybe 5 years ago) if he'd special order some more .44 Spcl Henries, he said there was no demand.  Keep in mind that you probably would not get a choice as to Military or Civilian, and very unlikely steel frame.  If a one-time batch of them came in, at standard price, would you buy one?  If there is enough response, I will ask him again and report back here.

This is not the topic to discuss why certain calibers are better than others at recreating historic rounds, or better for BP, or what other calibers you would prefer.  These have/are being discussed in other topics.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: major on December 30, 2016, 09:44:21 PM
Not in 44 Spl. but I would like one in 44 Russian.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Daniel Dodge on December 30, 2016, 09:58:17 PM
Abilene!

Put me done for one!

DD
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Major 2 on December 30, 2016, 10:36:48 PM
I'd desire to have a .44 Spcl 1860 Henry...

Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: nativeshootist on December 30, 2016, 11:24:09 PM
i can barely afford a 66 winchester, but i'd stay with 45lc.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Jake C on December 31, 2016, 11:46:41 AM
I would certainly be interested. Whether I could afford it would be another matter, but count me as a hand up.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on December 31, 2016, 02:41:09 PM
Common Youz Guyz.  I know you can read.  PAY ATTENTION.  Abilene didn't ask for opine on 44 Russian or 45s, he asked if you'd buy a 44Spl HENRY.  Forty Four "SPECIAL" HENRY.  Simple Answer.  Yes or No.  Sheesh.

Yes.  I'm bored.  It's winter here in Pennsyltucky.  Cold and the range is covered in SNOW.  And I'm cranky today.  So there  ::)

You Betcha Red Ryder.  I'd snap up a 44 Special in a heart beat.  Oh .... wait.  I did say simple answer, didn't I.  OOPS

YES

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Professor Marvel on December 31, 2016, 05:48:59 PM
Common Youz Guyz.  I know you can read.  PAY ATTENTION.  Abilene didn't ask for opine on 44 Russian or 45s, he asked if you'd buy a 44Spl HENRY.  Forty Four "SPECIAL" HENRY.  Simple Answer.  Yes or No.  Sheesh.

Yes.  I'm bored.  It's winter here in Pennsyltucky.  Cold and the range is covered in SNOW.  And I'm cranky today.  So there  ::)

You Betcha Red Ryder.  I'd snap up a 44 Special in a heart beat.  Oh .... wait.  I did say simple answer, didn't I.  OOPS

YES

Coffinmaker


Ahhhhh .
Coffin is Bored and Hungry!
easy solution: eat some pickled herring and send Abilene a blank check !

yhs
prof ( solutions galore, and all free! ) marvel
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Mike on December 31, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
A New Uberti  of any sort NO, :( still have a bad taste over my Steel Henry and the barrel issue's. I will buy a barrel if one came up.
Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on January 02, 2017, 03:20:17 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!  Twenty Seventeen is Upon us.  At last, Twenty Sisteen goes inna toilette!!

So.  Not feeling lotz of support here for a new short run of "proper" Side-Loader Transitional Henry Rifles. 

Professor Marvel, I didn't detect a Hearty Hi Ho Silver Henry in your reply.  Some swell participation would be greatly appreciated.

Mike ....... Cheer Up.  Perhaps you can have a Henry Repeating Arms 1860 imported.  Two shots of Rum and you'll feel better inna morning.

Nativeshooter .... .45Colt has already been done.  How about a vote for something new and different!! 

Cheer Leaders.  We need some cheer leaders.  Need a couple of girl shooters in short skirts to really stir up the crowd.  Common.  Six is almost a crowd.

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Professor Marvel on January 02, 2017, 07:41:10 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!  Twenty Seventeen is Upon us.  At last, Twenty Sisteen goes inna toilette!!

And to you sir!

So.  Not feeling lotz of support here for a new short run of "proper" Side-Loader Transitional Henry Rifles. 
Professor Marvel, I didn't detect a Hearty Hi Ho Silver Henry in your reply.  Some swell participation would be greatly appreciated.


Yay.
Rah.
Hiyo Silver Henry.
( never say that again! )

Yes! I would love to see one!
unfortunately I would probably not buy one.


Cheer Leaders.  We need some cheer leaders.  Need a couple of girl shooters in short skirts to really stir up the crowd.  Common.  Six is almost a crowd.
Coffinmaker

Here ya go:

(http://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/431/animated-cheerleader-image-0030.gif)

yhs
prof ( just trying to help ) marvel
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Mike on January 02, 2017, 09:30:08 PM
Have all I need now  ;D But always looking for a project gun. No more New ones thanks.

Happy New Year.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Fingers McGee on January 02, 2017, 10:38:21 PM
As to the original question.  No, I wouldn't buy a 44 spcl Henry.  My 44-40 brown barreled military model is quite sufficient.

As to the rejoinders subsequent to the OP, I'll add my own 'Happy New Year' everyone and second Coffinmaker's opinion on twenty sixteen.

May all your bangs be followed by clangs, and may your powder always stay dry.

And Abilene, while you are at the Shot  Show, press Uberti into making stainless steel Colt models again.  I still don't have one of each of the models they used to make & would love some new ones.



Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Shawnee McGrutt on January 03, 2017, 04:41:41 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Rooster Ron Wayne on January 03, 2017, 07:18:50 AM
YES YES YES  ;D
I have been trying for years to get a gun smith to convert a Henry to 44 special .
With No Luck .
I have a 66 , a 73 , and three 92s all in 44 special.
Count Me In on a Brass Henry in 44 Special ! :o
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Rooster Ron Wayne on January 03, 2017, 07:24:38 AM
I did say Yes Right .
YES Yes yes  ::)
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Books OToole on January 03, 2017, 08:35:52 AM
Not in 44 Spl. but I would like one in 44 Russian.

Roger;  The .44 special is pretty easy to tweak so that it will cycle Russians.  I have a 66 in .44 special that has been so tweaked.



Books
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Major 2 on January 03, 2017, 10:35:53 AM
Roger;  The .44 special is pretty easy to tweak so that it will cycle Russians.  I have a 66 in .44 special that has been so tweaked.



Books

Wrong Major.... I'm the 2nd one Major 2

and that 66 in 44 Special is still for sale ( no dog in the fight, I just happen to have met the Guy )
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on January 03, 2017, 02:07:39 PM
Perffesser Marvelous .........

I must know where you found the Cheer Leaders!!  I Must!!  Absolutely Splendiferous!!  Hard on a keyboard though  :o

Unfortunately I happen to own a swell 1866, .44 Special Trapper rifle, tweaked to run 44 Russian.  I say unfortunate, because it will not function with BP or Subs.  Well.  It will.  For about 3 rounds.  It's a "Smokeless Only" rifle. (sniff sniff sob).   :'(

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Will Ketchum on January 03, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
Perhaps what we need is to develop a 44-40 short by cutting down a 45 Colt case to a 44 Russian length and necking it in a 44-40 die. Then all that would be required would be to recut the 44 spl chamber to fit.
Easy for me to say ;) But since I no longer have access to the machine tools required I'm unable to do it. But there are those of you here that do and could.
I realize I left the intent of this thread but this just came to me as I read Coffinmaker's reply bout his 44 spl 66 not running with BP.

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on January 04, 2017, 03:05:02 PM
WOW!!  What an absolutely KOOL idea.  Several Lustrum ago, I needed to be able to load 10 in a 45 Henry Trapper.  That became the 45 Henry Squirt.  A 45 Schofield case the same length as a 45 ACP.

Now, it would be a lot of work to "wild cat" but .......... Making a bottle neck 44 Short would be UBER KOOL.  Make it so the actual case capacity is the same as a 45 ACP with the same bottle neck as the 44-40 with the same thinner neck thickness.  Would make the ideal CAS 44 loading.  Sucker would run thru a Toggle Link Rifle like wet grain thru a Goose. 

Coffinmaker

PS:  Super KOOL idea Will K. 
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Rooster Ron Wayne on January 04, 2017, 05:19:46 PM
Perffesser Marvelous .........

I must know where you found the Cheer Leaders!!  I Must!!  Absolutely Splendiferous!!  Hard on a keyboard though  :o

Unfortunately I happen to own a swell 1866, .44 Special Trapper rifle, tweaked to run 44 Russian.  I say unfortunate, because it will not function with BP or Subs.  Well.  It will.  For about 3 rounds.  It's a "Smokeless Only" rifle. (sniff sniff sob).   :'(

Coffinmaker

That is strange .
I shoot a 92 , 66 , 73 . And a Marlin .
All with BP 44 special .
No issues at all.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Will Ketchum on January 04, 2017, 06:11:20 PM
WOW!!  What an absolutely KOOL idea.  Several Lustrum ago, I needed to be able to load 10 in a 45 Henry Trapper.  That became the 45 Henry Squirt.  A 45 Schofield case the same length as a 45 ACP.

Now, it would be a lot of work to "wild cat" but .......... Making a bottle neck 44 Short would be UBER KOOL.  Make it so the actual case capacity is the same as a 45 ACP with the same bottle neck as the 44-40 with the same thinner neck thickness.  Would make the ideal CAS 44 loading.  Sucker would run thru a Toggle Link Rifle like wet grain thru a Goose. 

Coffinmaker

PS:  Super KOOL idea Will K. 
Thanks, I'm glad you approve. You'er the one I was actually thinking of since you have the expertise and apparently the machine tools to do it.

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on January 13, 2017, 10:40:16 PM
Okay, times up.  Driving to Vegas in the morning.  Looks like the tally is 6.  I'll see what Mike says, but don't hold your breath  :)

Fingers, I don't get to sit in on the meetings with Uberti, Pietta, etc.  But a lot of times those guys show up at the booth, and if I get a chance I'll mention it.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Professor Marvel on January 14, 2017, 02:46:51 PM
Okay, times up.  Driving to Vegas in the morning.  Looks like the tally is 6.  I'll see what Mike says, but don't hold your breath  :)

Fingers, I don't get to sit in on the meetings with Uberti, Pietta, etc.  But a lot of times those guys show up at the booth, and if I get a chance I'll mention it.


Oooooohhhhh
please collect as many photos as possible for us "homestuck" souls...
yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Trailrider on January 14, 2017, 04:52:23 PM
Sorry, no. My (older) Navy Arms M1860 Henry military model is in .44-40, and besides, the danged thing balances too far forward for my ancient, achin' back! I'm shooting mostly 20" Rossi '92's nowadays.   :(
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Fingers McGee on January 14, 2017, 06:41:21 PM
Fingers, I don't get to sit in on the meetings with Uberti, Pietta, etc.  But a lot of times those guys show up at the booth, and if I get a chance I'll mention it.

Thanks Abilene.  You could corral them up at Winter Range too.  Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend WR this year.

FM
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on January 15, 2017, 10:31:23 PM
I have been under the impression that those Uberti guys at Winter Range are not any of the bigwigs.  But couldn't hurt to talk to them.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on January 15, 2017, 10:36:37 PM

Oooooohhhhh
please collect as many photos as possible for us "homestuck" souls...
yhs
prof marvel

Professor,
Alas, working the booth at Shot Show is frustrating, as there is SOOOO much to see but we rarely get to leave the booth due to the hordes of lookers/shoppers/browsers that must be attended to.  If I do get anything of interest I'll post.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Daniel Dodge on February 06, 2017, 02:23:37 PM
Hi gents,

Did this ever get discussed at the shot show? I'm guess we will not be seeing any 44 special Henry's anytime soon.

DD
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Mike on February 06, 2017, 03:45:53 PM
Uberti that is the factory could sent me a 44sp barrel to replace the poorly fitted 44WCF I bought last year. That wont happen so only buying second hand with proven work record now.
Had to many guns from the factory that need work. Your US distributors may be be doing a better job of sorting the crap guns before they leave to the customer. 
 
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on February 06, 2017, 06:50:24 PM
Hi gents,

Did this ever get discussed at the shot show? I'm guess we will not be seeing any 44 special Henry's anytime soon.

DD

I did bring it up to Mike Harvey, but he still had no interest in ordering any.  Sorry!  But hey, keep calling and sending emails to Uberti.  Ya never know!
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on February 06, 2017, 06:53:02 PM
Fingers, When Susan from Uberti (their translator) and one of the main guys (sorry, don't recall his name) were at the booth, I asked them about stainless percussion guns.  They said there was not enough demand.  She said that if someone were to order 100 pieces, then they could do it.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Professor Marvel on February 07, 2017, 12:26:48 AM
Fingers, When Susan from Uberti (their translator) and one of the main guys (sorry, don't recall his name) were at the booth, I asked them about stainless percussion guns.  They said there was not enough demand.  She said that if someone were to order 100 pieces, then they could do it.

Go for it Fingers!
You can order out one or two hundred and sell off the excess ...
you could start up a little store ...
you could use my barn...

yhs
prof mumbles
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 07, 2017, 01:15:31 PM
Absolutely Fingers!!

You could even gift me a pair and I would turn them into (gasp) Gorgeous Stainless Steel ....... SNUBBIES!!  How absolutely ..... KOOL!!

Just imagine the Style Points one would garner (Jennifer??) with a brace of STAINLESS SNUBBIES!!

I'm IN!!

Coffinmaker

PS:  Snake Oil be US Perfesser!!
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Professor Marvel on February 10, 2017, 06:27:02 PM
PS:  Snake Oil be US Perfesser!!

Ah Yes My Dear Coffin!

Endevour to Persevere!

https://youtu.be/hRX6hSGeZs4 (https://youtu.be/hRX6hSGeZs4)
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 11, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
In all actuality ....... were I to be completely Forthright and up front about the entire matter, were I to endeavor to preserve in my humble quest, I would that an Iron Frame Henry in .45 would come available at the same time as I had sufficient disposable folding green available to take said Iron Frame ..... Home.

Running in close second for my heart's desire, would be an additional Henry Transitional.  Also of .45 Colt persuasion.  Suitable for my ministrations as a ... donor ... as it twer.

Understand though.  Were a supply of Henry rifles in .44 Special to suddenly appear in the market place, I would be loath miss that most opportune occasion.

Thanks be ... however ... to B. Tyler, Oliver and Aldo for that which is in fact available for playground use.  Burma Shave!!

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: mtmarfield on February 18, 2017, 11:44:58 PM
   Greetings!

   While you're at it, tell the Uberti Folks that they NEED to begin making copies of
the Webley No. 1 .577" Double Action Revolver in its Percussion Version. They'll sell
millions! Tell them that I'll buy at least two!

   P.S. ~ I'll take a Brass Framed Henry in .44spl, as well.

   P.P.S ~ Well put, Coffinmaker: "Thanks be...for playground use"!

                M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Rooster Ron Wayne on October 12, 2017, 08:44:03 PM
Im still looking for a Henry in 44 special.
Im still in for a new Henry in 44 special .

Im willing to put up my money for one .
Lets see how many we really can get to put up or shut up , And put the money up to get them made .
I will even say I will put up cash for two !

Come on lets get this done .
Just sayin
Rooster
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: grey ghost 99 on October 20, 2017, 09:40:50 PM
Yes, so much so that I'd buy the parts to turn it into a military model and not complain.
Also would buy one in 38-40
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: wool on October 21, 2017, 06:41:24 AM
Yes, if you could arrange delivery to the UK !
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Cholla Hill Tirador on October 21, 2017, 10:34:44 AM
  Why couldn't a fella make a permanent chamber insert/adapter for a 44-40 Henry? In other words machine from a piece of steel a 44-40 cartridge that would match the chamber of said rifle, then "chamber" the insert to .44 Special. The bolt and or extractor might require a little modification.

  There are inserts such as this available that allow a .308 to be fired in a 30-06. Folks use them in their Garands.

 CHT
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Abilene on October 21, 2017, 12:11:06 PM
  Why couldn't a fella make a permanent chamber insert/adapter for a 44-40 Henry? In other words machine from a piece of steel a 44-40 cartridge that would match the chamber of said rifle, then "chamber" the insert to .44 Special. The bolt and or extractor might require a little modification.

  There are inserts such as this available that allow a .308 to be fired in a 30-06. Folks use them in their Garands.

 CHT

If you look at the outer dimensions of the two cartridges you will see that is not possible.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Dave T on November 26, 2017, 07:55:05 PM
Since the 44 Special doesn't seem to be happening, I'll throw out what I think is even a better idea in the interest of authenticity.

The Henry was chambered for the 44 Henry Flat (case length of .875") and fired a 200g bullet at ~ 1125 fps. A Henry chambered for the 44 Russian (case length of .97") could load a 200g bullet and duplicate the original velocity with black powder or smokeless. And it would be much closer to the original than the current offering of 44 WCF or even the 44 Special discussed in this thread.

With all that said I'm curious if any gunsmiths out there think it would be possible to re-chamber a modern Henry to 44 Russian?

Dave
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on November 26, 2017, 08:59:46 PM
SURE!!  Easy Peasy.  All you need is a gunsmith some familiar with Toggle Link rifles and has done a fair amount of barrel lining.  Bore the chamber out of a 44-40, install a sleeve insert and chamber it for 44 Russian.  You'll have a bit of free bore unless your Smith is creative with the sleeve, but I would doubt you'd notice any accuracy problems.

Install a cartridge stop in the carrier block with a clearance slot in the side of the Breach Block and your in business.

I have a rifle that is part way there.  I have an 1866 in 44 Special with a custom carrier that runs 44 Russian like wet grain thru a Goose.

Option number two.  Pull the barrel, Cut the tenon (threaded part) and the rest of the 44-40 chamber off the barrel then re-establish the tenon, chamber it, set the head space, slot the breach for the extractor and rim guide and your I business.  

Neither solution is particularly "cheap" but both are very doable.  I'd have done it already, but found C45S cases in a 45 Rifle to be Soooooo much easier.

PS:  Another thought ..... Try ordering a 44 Special Henry barrel from Uberti.  You may grow old waiting ..........

PSS:  Another another thought.  Contact the "Big Cheese" at Henry Repeating Arms and ask if he would be willing to make you a special order Henry in 44 Special??  Or even build you one in 44 Russian??  Well worth a try.  Worst is he could say no .........
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Long Johns Wolf on November 27, 2017, 02:23:34 AM
Coffinmaker and the campfire: there is an alternative for you pards and pardettes to end up eventually with a Uberti Henry in .44 Special.
Order what Uberti calls a "semi finished" Henry barrel assembly in .44 cal. (.429 groove dia) without a chamber!
Long Johns Wolf
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Dave T on November 27, 2017, 09:18:38 AM
PSS:  Another another thought.  Contact the "Big Cheese" at Henry Repeating Arms and ask if he would be willing to make you a special order Henry in 44 Special??  Or even build you one in 44 Russian??  Well worth a try.  Worst is he could say no .........

I did and they said no.....

Dave
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on November 27, 2017, 02:00:47 PM
How Rude.

LJW's suggestion makes real good sense.  Don't know what the wait would be though.  Worth a shot.  If doing the "semi finished," Cut barrel or chamber sleeve ....... be sure to special order a chambering reamer at the minimum spec.  My 44 Special 1866 chamber is large enough several of us could walk through it hand in hand.  There is so much Blow-By the chamber fouls out in 4 rounds of BP or Sub.  To actually run BP or Sub, I have resorted to annealed cases (Thanks OD#3) which work a treat.

Uberti did build and market some 44 Special Henry rifles.  A long time ago in a Galaxy Far Far away > > > > > > > > 
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on November 27, 2017, 02:05:22 PM
I agree with Dave T.  If I could wave a magic wand and have any current caliber, I'd make it a 44 Russian.  If my magic wand was really powerful, I'd have it in 44 Henry centerfire and have Starline start making the brass, RCBS making the dies, I'd get a mold from Accurate Molds...  I'd better stop dreaming--I get carried away sometimes.  On the other hand, the "modern" 56-50 Spencer round was developed and the "modern" 44 Colt round came along too.

CC Griff
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: 2jakes on November 30, 2017, 12:20:30 PM
(http://i66.tinypic.com/5xsqdd.jpg)
For a Few Dollars More (1967)

I would buy this one if it was available.
And would feel a lot better if he pointed that rifle in another direction!  ;D
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on November 30, 2017, 03:07:11 PM
Come to think of it, I really wonder where they found an original Volcanic Rifle.  Even more of a question is how they managed to talk the person whom own'd said Volcanic into letting them use it inna movie.  You just don't throw something that valuable around like a bag of Pop Corn.

A few years ago there was fella (Long Thread on Paco Kelly's Lever forum) scratch built a modern reproduction of a Volcanic.  Used a .40 Auto cartridge.  I wouldn't mind having that either.

I really need to win the Lotto.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Will Ketchum on November 30, 2017, 03:24:04 PM
Come to think of it, I really wonder where they found an original Volcanic Rifle.  Even more of a question is how they managed to talk the person whom own'd said Volcanic into letting them use it inna movie.  You just don't throw something that valuable around like a bag of Pop Corn.

A few years ago there was fella (Long Thread on Paco Kelly's Lever forum) scratch built a modern reproduction of a Volcanic.  Used a .40 Auto cartridge.  I wouldn't mind having that either.

I really need to win the Lotto.

I was wondering the same thing but don't recall seeing it in the actual movie. ???

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: 2jakes on November 30, 2017, 03:54:41 PM
 “For a Few Dollars More” (1967).

The volcanic rifle in the movie has a ring like for a sling strap.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/5v1wzt.png)

(http://i67.tinypic.com/j8h7uo.jpg)
Engraved receiver.

I owned a Henry 44-40 octogon barrel, brass receiver by Uberti back in 1990.
I know that it was too heavy to hold it like Eastwood is doing in the movie.
I’m not familiar with these rifles to determine what model was used in the movie
that he was able to hold it with one hand, unless the dude was super strong to hold
it like that for a long time.

I was wondering if anyone knows what model was used and if it’s available as a reproduction.

Or if this was only a “Hollywood prop”.
Similar to the movie., ‘The Good, the Bad & the Ugly”.
Where Tuco walks into a gun shop, takes several black powder revolvers from different companies
and within minutes manages to convert the black powder revolver to use cartridges.
I’m no expert, but is this possible to do so that quick ???

Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Major 2 on November 30, 2017, 06:21:40 PM
A Few Dollars More was filmed in Spain as was TGBU & several others....

The gun is a Volcanic in 41 cal.  either had a 20" barrel , Eastwood has it tucked under his arm, Easily held as the photo shows.

 Stembridge Gun rentals of Hollywood probably had a Volcanic or two, but I don't think this FDM gun was one of theirs.

They did produce a Hollywood Henry made from a 92 Winchester, seen in more than few Films & TV shows.

Stembridge is no more, its vast collection sold off in auctions some years back .

Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Major 2 on November 30, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
1892 Winchester converted to Henry appearance by Stembridge Gun Rentals in the 1950’s before the advent of reproductions. The gun measures approx. 41-1/2” overall with 22-1/2” round barrel, full magazine. The frame is extended approx. 1-3/8” with false Henry type magazine spring lever, and a long range tang sight added. The barrel and small parts have been nickeled, the frame and buttplate gold-plated. The stock is stamped “C. B. 176”. The action good, the bore rough from shooting 5-in-1 blanks. The barrel is in .44-40 caliber, but not for firing live rounds. This exact rifle was included in the Stembridge Gun Rentals sale and was noted at that time as being used in the 1964 Western movie Cheyenne Autumn, by John Ford starring Richard Widmark, Carl Malden, and Jimmie Stewart and a host of other famous actors including Mike Mazurki. This was Ford’s last film in Monument Valley and there is a fun scene of Jimmie Stewart as Wyatt Earp in Dodge City. 1892 Henrys like this are in many other films throughout the 1960’s and also a couple of shots in Silverado
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on December 01, 2017, 12:03:23 PM
Additionally ..... Now that we are successfully drifting without a rudder ......
There is a surprisingly large and active collectors movement in Europe (Just ask Long Johns Wolf) for antique American guns.  Also quite the market for specialty Gun Smiths who built super authentic reproductions of Colt pattern conversions (just ask Long Johns Wolf) and the existence of an original Volcanic is not really surprising.  That an owner of one would let it be used in a movie is surprising however.

The Volcanic pictured does have a sling loop of a type not seen (at least not by me) on later Henry Rifles.  With the manner Eastwood is holding the rifle, can't see the sling mount in the Butt Stock.  I shoot several custom carbine length Henry Rifles.  They could be held in the same manner as the shorter barrel is much more user friendly.  That said, the Eastwood rifle is an actual Volcanic, which is considerably smaller and lighter than a Henry.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: treebeard on December 01, 2017, 04:06:30 PM
Ok— so what is the big deal with 44 Special?
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Dave T on December 01, 2017, 04:38:34 PM
Ok— so what is the big deal with 44 Special?

I'll give you my answer, but that doesn't mean it applies to anyone else.

The 44 Special is much closer "in spirit" to the original 44 Henry Flat than the 44 WCF (44/40) that is generally offered in Henry reproductions. And just as the 44 Special is closer, the 44 Russian would be even closer...in spirit.

YMMV,
Dave
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: treebeard on December 01, 2017, 06:22:33 PM
I guess I kinda thought that a 44-40 with 200gr bullet in front of 28gr of black powder would come reasonably close to the original Henry performance. I agree with the suggestion of reproduceing the original 44 Henry CF case thru Starline and chamber that in a repro Henry or 1866.

Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Coffinmaker on December 01, 2017, 07:44:16 PM
Dave T.  Hit the nail onna head first try.  The Original Henry rifle was chambered in 44 Henry Flat.  The closest cartridge we have to that today is the 44 Russian.  Acquiring a Henry, chambered in  44 Special (Hen's Teeth) enables one to then modify a Carrier Block to permit the use of 44 Russian cases to closely mime 44 Henry Flat.  As previously noted .... "In Spirit."  Today, nobody is chambering anything rifle in 44 Russian.  Nor 44 Henry Central Fire.  Nor making rifles in those calibers.  So we hope to improvise .... "In Spirit" as it twer.

On the other hand, I have taken a different tach with my own personal rifles.  45 Squirt.  The 45 Squirt is a 45 Schofield case cut to the same length as the 45 ACP.  Fired in a rifle chambered in 45 Colt.  With an appropriate cartridge stop added to the Henry Carrier Block, and the Breach Block clearance for the cartridge stop, a reproduction Henry will contain a whole pile of them (45 Squirts).  You may also substitute C45S cases.  Same same overall dimensions.

I too would covet a 44 Special Henry, just to be able to harken back to those Halcyon days of Yesteryear.  Butt.  And However.  I can already do that with my 45 Caliber Rifles.  They cycle 45 Squirt or C45S like wet grain thru a goose and since I already held ownership, the modifications were dirt cheap although making 45 Squirt is real boring.  The result has been worth it.  FUN.  Real FUN has been the result.  And utilizing a cartridge case more approximating the 44 Henry Flat than does 44-40 or 45 Colt.

So, in summation, there are those of us Loony enough to see approximating the Original cartridge with more modern and available cartridge cases as a genuine accomplishment just for FUN.  Atz why I built an 1866 chambered in 44 Special into a 16 inch barrel Trapper and set it up to run 44 Russian to partner up with a pair of 1872 Open Top pistols chambered in 44 Colt and running the same 44 Russian cases as might have been back in the day with the original Open Top and an original '66.  Just for fun.  Also had a great set of buckskins (shirt and pants) made me look like Fox Creek Kid to go with the guns (then I got fat) (and old).  So the whole shebang boils down to ...

                                                                                FUN
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Mike on December 02, 2017, 12:42:11 AM
Not if I find it first ;D been searching the web for pictures of this for awhile. I believe it is missing parts but who cares.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Rooster Ron Wayne on December 08, 2017, 07:53:18 PM
I found a 44 special Uberti Henry for sale in Germany .
1350 plus shipping .
One from FFL in  Germany to the USA and to The FFL in Michigan another 1300 .00 for the fees and transfer.
And all has to be Pre Paid and it takes 6 to 8 months to make it happen .
To rich for my blood .
Rooster .
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Cholla Hill Tirador on December 09, 2017, 09:16:49 AM
  Don't know if it's been mentioned yet, but I think the simplest solution would be to buy a Henry in 44-40, have the chamber cut out, sleeved and rechambered to .44 Special or Russian, similar to sleeving a barrel.
  I'd contact John Taylor http://johntaylormachine.com/38.0.html (http://johntaylormachine.com/38.0.html). He's very well known for his work sleeving barrels and he sleeved the barrel of one of my old Winchester '73's. I removed the barrel (super easy on this type rifle), sent it to him and in 2 or 3 weeks had the barrel back with an invoice. That's right....he did the work, returned it, THEN asked for payment.

  CHT
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: mtmarfield on May 02, 2019, 08:42:33 PM
      Greetings, All!

   As You may know, I sold my Henry .44-40, and bought a Win 1866 "Musket" in .44WCF. I STILL WANT an A.Uberti Brass-Framed
Henry Military Model in .44Spl. ( .44R, actually... ). Just in case the Gun Gods are feeling propitious...

             M.T.Marfield
               5-02-19
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Drydock on June 08, 2019, 08:45:25 AM
Observation:  The .442 groove diameter of the .44 Henry flat is just as close to .45 Colt as it is to .44 Special.  Get a .45 Henry, modify the block for .45 Cowboy, and ballisticly you are there.  Neither case uses a Heel bullet, so the only advantage I can see to the special is it has "44" in the name.  Or just use .45 S&W and be happy.
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Drydock on June 08, 2019, 08:52:30 AM
Observation:  Starline is making .41 special brass, which is an easy trim down to .44 Henry CF.  I know, as I have trimmed 100 of these down to use in my .440 Argentine Nagant.  (the Nagant round being pretty much a .44 HCF with a different head stamp)  And yes, I strangely enjoy making heeled bullet rounds . . .
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: mtmarfield on June 09, 2019, 09:58:22 PM
      Greetings!

   I cut .41S&WM down to about 0.9" to make .44LCF for my OM F. Wesson Rifle. It's close...!

                   M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: Would you buy a new .44 Spcl Henry?
Post by: Rooster Ron Wayne on January 15, 2020, 12:30:13 PM
Im still in and waiting to make this happen .
A Henry built in 44 special is 100% My Desire  ;D