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Title: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on August 17, 2016, 12:33:41 pm
I am Copying over This from the R.A.T.S. 'sign-up page to add more information over time.

I am a 'Relatively' new Ruger Shooter as I bought my First Used Ruger Revolver in late November 2015.

It is a New Model .22 CAL. Convertible Single Six that I had custom converted to a Center Fire Single Eight in .25ACP, and other Cartridges, with a 10-5/8" long barrel.

The end of June 2016 my Second Cylinder was finished by my gunsmith in ".250ALRM"; a .25ACP diameters "wildcat" of 1.250" case length.  I also have some other 'Mildcats' I can shoot through this revolver now:
"6.35x26mmSR Stewart" of 1.020 through 1.056" case length, I currently am trimming to 1.055" in my experiments.
This is the same Case length and overall length as a .22WMR cartridge and also has the name ".25 Magnum Auto" and ".25MACP".
"6.35x28.6mmSR Stewart" of 1.125" case length.  This is the Same length as the old .25 Stevens Rim Fire Cartridge.
"6.35x32mmSR Stewart" of 1.250" case length.  the same case length as the ".250ALRM" but made from a 5.7x28mm Case.
All the 'mm' case designations are Made from Resized and trimmed 5.7x28mm FN once fired Brass.
All the "inch" case designation sar e made form Resized and trimmed .22 Hornet Brass (mostly new PPU brass).

So far I have loaded 50 grain FMJ and 63 grain Lead bullets ahead of BE-86, Power Pistol, Bullseye, Or Unique.
weakest fired to date is Factory Prvi Partisan 50 grain FMJ .25ACP, and the Strongest so far is 3.0 grains of BE-86 behind ^3 Grain Lead in a .25ACP case.

(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/chevwilliam/My%20Ruger%2025%20Cal%20Revolver/c10bec5b-4ebc-4fa1-93ea-b198de0e1eb7_zpsh7wguln4.jpg)
Left side of my Ruger .25ACP Single Eight, with Cylinder installed.

(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/chevwilliam/My%20Ruger%2025%20Cal%20Revolver/a007a007-e395-4538-b79a-5f6182d57649_zpsgjh4flaf.jpg)
Right side of my Ruger .25ACP Single Eight with cylinder removed and Loaded with cartridges.

(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/chevwilliam/My%20Ruger%2025%20Cal%20Revolver/Ruger2025Cal20CF20Conv20Mod20Cyl20Marking_original_zpsg2dggaqx.jpg)
Close up of the Modified 8-shot cylinder. It is still marked as '22-MAG' though.

Eventual Plans is to have four separate Cylinders, one for each basic cartridge designation/case length.

I have not yet come up with a method to remark the cylinders in their actual Cartridges without the chance of distortion.
I also have a Stevens "Favorite" converted to Center fire and use a ".25 Stevens" barrel to 'plink' with .25ACP rounds.
I can fire 6.35x28.6mmSR Stewart in it if I down load to about Trans sonic Velocities (about 1124fps).

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on August 17, 2016, 12:42:00 pm
Yesterday a Friend an dI took my Ruger Single eight, a Colt Lightening DA38 Six Shooter, and an Iver Johnson Top Break Five shooter in .32 S& W to the Shooting range along with a chronograph for a First Testing outing.

Here is a report on our day of Testing .25ACP loads:

Chronograph results of Load Testing on Tuesday August 16th 2016.
At “Angeles Shooting Ranges”.

Instrument used: ‘Super Chrony F1 Master’ with printer.

Test Firearm:
Ruger New Model Convertible Single Eight in 25ACP and .25ALRM Cartridge Chambering eight shot Revolver with 10-5/8” barrel (~12” Muzzle to Breech/Recoil Face.

Test Setup:
Positioned on “Handgun Firing line in front of Permanent Target Frame about 5 yards from long Bench Type Firing line.  Bench height about 38 inches.
A Stool was used for the Testing as a Seat for the ‘Shooter’.
Chronograph wsa Set up on a Tripod about 5 feet forward of the Firing Line.  The Remote readout and printer were positioned on the Firing line bench.
The Printer and Chronograph were operated on Internal Batteries.
Altitude = ~ 1,680 feet Above Mean Sea Level, Temperature ~100 Degrees F.

Test Results:
Comparison run employing “Privi Partisan” (PPU) Factory Loaded (Made in Serbia)  .25ACP 50Grain FMJ-RN ammunition manufactured under CIP Regulations and Controls.

Technical Information
•  Caliber: 25 ACP
•  Bullet Weight: 50 Grains
•  Bullet Style: Full Metal Jacket
•  Case Type: Brass

Ballistics Information:
•  Muzzle Velocity: 771 fps
•  Muzzle Energy: 66 ft. lbs.

Raw results(fps)
874.8; 771.8; 788.3; 913.1; 711.7; 725.1;778.3; 733.7;
742.3; 791.8; 706.4; 618.0; 691.1; 733.2; 745.7.
Max. = 913.1; Min. = 618.0; Average = 755.02, or ~755fps.

755/771 = 97.9% of stated Factory Performance (out of a 2” test Barrel) when fired from a Revolver with a 10-58” barrel. (-2.1%)

Hand Loads Tested:
#1.  50 grain FMJ-RN (Rem.), PPU Brass, WSP Primer, 2.7 grains of “Power Pistol” Propellant;
1118; 1220; 1170; 1278; 1190; 1273; 1130; 1189;
1201; 1302; 1244; 1195; 1136; 1213; 1188.
Max. = 1302; Min. = 1118; Average = 1203.1, or ~1203fps.
Calculated: 1302fps @ 17079psi and Actual 1203fps: -8.2%
 
#2.   63 grain Lead FN (Hunters supply), GFI Ni Brass, CCI SP Primer, Various Charges of “Bullseye” Propellant.
A.   1.36 +/-0.05 grains: 916.1; 876.8; 1042; error;955.5.
       Max. = 1042; Min. = 876.8; Average = 947.6, or ~947fps.
Calculated: 937fps @ 14145psi and Actual 947fps; +1.1%
B.   1.39 +/-0.05 grains: 1162; 1075; 1060; 1150; 1104. (no Tape).
.                                    : 1174 (case fail); 1056; 1030; 1129; 1288.
       Max. = 1288; Min. = 1030; Average = 1122.8, or ~ 1123fps.
Calculated: 991fps @ 14808psi and Actual 1123fps: +13.3%
C.   1.43 +/-0.05 grains: error; 1164; 1179; 1149, FTF.
       Max. =1179; Min. = 1149; Average =1164.0, or ~ 1164fps.
Calculated: 1009fps @ 15492psi and Actual 1164fps: +15.3%

NOTE:  1.46 grain data not taken/recorded.

D.   1.50 +/-0.05 grains: error; error; 1130; error; error.
       Max. = 1130; Min. = 1130; Average = 1130, or ~ 1130fps.
Calculated: 1045fps @ 16925psi and Actual 1130fps: +8.1%
E.   1.53 +/-0.05 grains: 1062; 1070; 1028; 1066; 1043.
       Max. = 1070; Min. = 1028; Average = 1953,8, or ~1054fps.
Calculated: 1063fps @ 17674psi and Actual 1054fps: -0.85%
F.   1.56 +/-0.05 grains: 1262; 1030; 1075; error; FTF.
       Max. = 1262; Min. = 1030; Average = 1122.3, or ~ 1122fps.
Calculated: 1080fps @ 18445psi and Actual 1122fps: +3.9%
G.   1.60 +/-0.05 grains: error; FTF; 1354; 1138; 1210.
       Max. = 1354; Min. = 1138; Average = 1234.0, or ~ 1234fps.
Calculated: 1097fps @ 19239psi and Actual 1234fps: +12.5%
H.   1.63 +/-0.05 grains: 1201; 1368; 1316; 1190; 1151.
       Max. = 1368; Min. = 1151; Average =  1245.2, or ~ 1245fps.
Calculated: 1114fps @ 20058psi and Actual 1245fps: +11.8%
I.    1.67 +/-0.05 grains: 1239; 1182; 1231; 1096; 1278.
       Max. = 1278; Min. = 1096; Average = 1205.2, or ~ 1205fps.
Calculated: 1131 fps @ 20696psi and Actual 1205fps: +6.5%
J.    1.70 +/-0.05 grains: 1297; 1375; 1243; 1238; 1329.
       Max. = 1375; Min. = 1238; Average = 1296.4, or ~ 1296fps.
Calculated: 1147fps @ 21760psi and Actual 1296fps: +13%
K,   1.73 +/-0.05 grains: 1235; 1338: 1209; FTF; FTF.
       Max. = 1338; Min. = 1209; Average = 1260.6, or ~ 1261fps.
Calculated: 1164fps @ 22849psi and Actual 1261fps: +8.3%
L.    1.77 +/-0.05 grains: 1229; 1257; 1232; 1289; 1276.
       Max. = 1289; Min. = 1229; Average = 1256.6, or ~ 1257fps.
Calculated: 1180fps @ 23563psi and Actual 1257fps: +6.5%
M.   1.80+/-0.05 grains: 1266; 1268; 1214; 1241; 1242.
       Max. = 1268; Min. = 1214; Average = 1246.2, or ~ 1246fps.
Calculated: 1196fps @ 24502psi and Actual 1244fps: +4.2%

NOTE:  1.84 grain Data not taken/recorded.

N.   1.87 +/-0.05 grains: 1311; 1275; 1175; 1214; Jam (not fired).
       Max. = 1311; Min. = 1175; Average = 1243.7, or ~ 1244fps.
Calculated:1227 fps @ 26357psi and Actual 1244fps: +1.4%
 


3.  50 grain FMJ-RN (Rem.); GFI Ni Brass; CCI SP primer Propellant compare:

A.   1.50 +/-0.05 grains:”Bullseye”; 1188; FTF; error; 1179; 1278.
       Max. = 1278; Min. = 1179; Average = 1215.0, or ~ 1215fps.

B.   1.50 +/-0.05 grains: “BE-86”:    1107; 1381; 996.2; 1147, error.
       Max. = 1381; Min. =996.2; Average = 1157,8, or ~ 1158fps.
     Conclusion: for the Same Charge Weight BE-86 Generates a lower Peak Pressure than Bullseye under the same conditions.

SUMMARY

     Recorded data Results seems to vary from Calculated Values by Bilateral amounts. It is probable the sample size used is not adequate.  It is also probable that the Charge Weights vary due to the Imprecise Scale used for the Charge Weight Resolution desired.
Due to the Low Value Charge Weights, in the range of 1.3 to 2.7 grains, and the marked Resolution of the Scale used, 0.1 grain, the interpolation of charges to 0.01 grain +/-0.05 grain is less than the observed variation in measured performance.  

The instrument used has a measuring base of about 1 foot and four digit readout resolution but the full Accuracy and Resolution Specifications are not known at this time.  

The factory Ammunition tested for comparison measured about 2.1% lower out of this 10-5/8” barrel compared to factory Test Barrel length of 2”.  This is quite low compared to similar Barrel lengths tested By “Ballistics By The Inch” using a Single Shot Handgun with a Locked Breech and sealed length Barrel (no cylinder gap).  They found a 10” barrel yielded Velocities about 28% increase in measured MV.

How much The Ambient temperature, and the temperature of the Instrument, which was in direct Sunlight, affected These Results is unknown at this time.

Overall, The confidence level in these results is low due to the reasons state in the summary but they ARE the Results obtained and recorded.

The Colt yielded a Louder Report and more "Kick" than my Ruger. and the Iver Johnson was in between the two others.
Later today, when it is cooler, I will be cleaning my revolvers before Putting them away until next time.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: rickk on August 19, 2016, 10:57:11 am
For cylinder marking, consider finding someone with laser etch capability.

As one of the few diehards that reload everything, including the 25 ACP, I feel your pain.

Getting 25 ACP charges to be uniform as a true hassle.   I guess if I got serious about it, I would look for a finely ground power and make myself a custom power measure that works well in the 1-2 grain range, but I don't take it that serious. I have several powder measures and none of them are really practical for 25 ACP.  In fact, I use a cut down 22 case with a wire handle soldered to it for a power scoop.

enjoy... it looks like fun !

Rick


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on August 20, 2016, 08:08:49 pm
For cylinder marking, consider finding someone with laser etch capability.

As one of the few diehards that reload everything, including the 25 ACP, I feel your pain.

Getting 25 ACP charges to be uniform as a true hassle.   I guess if I got serious about it, I would look for a finely ground power and make myself a custom power measure that works well in the 1-2 grain range, but I don't take it that serious. I have several powder measures and none of them are really practical for 25 ACP.  In fact, I use a cut down 22 case with a wire handle soldered to it for a power scoop.

enjoy... it looks like fun !

Rick

Thanks for the Kind words of encouragement.
  Yes! it is Fun to fire this customized Ruger, especially with some of the Hand loads i have tried in it so far.
  Higher MAP charges with 50 grain FMJ bullets do add some to the Interest.
  Ditto with Charges used under 63 grain Lead FP Bullets.

  One Robust one is 3.0 grains of BE-86 behind the 63 grain Bullet.
  It Seems to hit at around the same point as a Factory 50 Grain Bullet at about 7 yards,  I have not tried it at longer ranges yet as I am Still learning to "hold' This Long Barrel for accuracy, I shoot it without a rest under the Barrel.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: rickk on August 22, 2016, 11:38:34 am
FWIW, while I have yet to try it myself, I have heard of #3 buckshot (.251) being used in the 25 ACP for the ultimate penny pinching load.  Lube post bullet seating with Lee liquid Alox.



Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Mustang Gregg on August 22, 2016, 03:26:04 pm
William:

Have you tried to get "extra" cylinders from Ruger? 
The last I talked to them (2013), they would not sell a blank cylinder, because they want to fit the cylinder to the frame.
Do you have a machinist who can mill out a cylinder from stock?
There used to be one in Omaha who would make 5-shot cylinders for the big-ass cartridges like .458, .460, etc.

I still have the dream of getting a 12" K-Blackhawk in .256 Mag.

Mustang


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on August 22, 2016, 03:42:15 pm
For my Ruger "New Model Convertible Single Eight" project I bought 'replacement 22-Mag 8-shot cylinders' from "gunpartscorp.com" over time at about $158 each with the Shipping extra.  I don't know what they might have to fit your frame.

In my case, the 8-shot cylinder is drilled then reamed to .250'-.251" straight through, removing almost all of the 22-WMR chamber but leaving the rim recess outer diameter.  then a piloted chambering reamer (roughing, followed by finishing) run into the straight bores to make it suitable for the intended Cartridge: be it .25ACP, .25ALRM/6.35x32mmSR, or one of the other experiments.

Best Regards,
Chev. William

PS: I have been buying my reamers and pilot bushings from "Pacific Tool and Gauge" over the last few years (one reamer at a time).
They are in the same time zone as I am so it has made telephone conversations much easier.
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: rickk on August 23, 2016, 09:50:57 am
There are people who make wildcat .25ACP/.22's.   That would eliminate the need for changing the barrel.


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on August 29, 2016, 11:37:07 pm
There are people who make wildcat .25ACP/.22's.   That would eliminate the need for changing the barrel.

That might have been a thought a few months ago but I already have my 10-5/8" long .25ACP/6.35 Browning Barrel finished on my Ruger Single Eight Revolver.

I still have about 12" left of the original blank for a Second Barrel.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on September 02, 2016, 09:08:58 pm
 My new spare and Replacement parts for my 'Shooting Chrony' FI Master arrived Via UPS so perhaps next week I can go to the range again.

 I currently;y have 'my eye' on a Used .32 H&R Magnum chambered Ruger 'new model' Single Six at my Local Gun shop.
 I plan to stop by and put my money down next Tuesday.  

So I hope to be a 'two Ruger owner' eventually.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on September 03, 2016, 09:00:40 pm
Evening Project has been preping some 6.35x32mmSR cases for reloading.
Now starting to load 63 grain Lead FP Hunter supply Bullets over Hodgdon Universal Clays with WSP primers.
I am Starting a Test sequence with 3.0 Grains of Universal and I am Seating the bullets to 1.395"=/- .003" overall Length.
Since I calculate a 3.3 grain Charge would give about 25,000psi Pmax in a !2 inch 'Sealed' barrel, and I am firing them out of a 10-5/8" Revolver Barrel with a Cylinder length (at the chambers) of 1.415" I should be good for the range.
I will be using a Roll Crimp on these Cartridges.
I will also load some at 3.1 and 3.2 grain them end the sequence with 3.3 grains.

Labor Day Weekend so Everyone Be Safe and Have an Enjoyable Holiday.
Best Regards,


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on September 06, 2016, 09:38:32 pm
September is my "Birthday Month" so Iam Preparing.
I now have my replacement Sky Screen Parts but have delayed scheduling a trip to the range as i am still loading soem new "Ladder Sets for the testing".

Additionally, today I paid for a Used Ruger New Model .32 H&R Magnum Single Six with a 5-5/8" barrel.  It will come with a Holster as part of the consignment Sale.  Now I need to Wait out the ten day State Imposed waiting period before I can Take Possession.

I have already had conversations with my Gunsmith about adapting a Cylinder to allow Shooting .32 Long Colt Cartridges in the
Revolver (of .930" length and using Heeled Bullets).
This is NOT the S&W diameters.
This IS  the smaller Colt diameter Cases.
My intent is to be able to Interchange Cylinders for the two sizes of case diameters and use the same barrel for Both.
Since Ruger informs me that they DO NOT do custom changes to Cartridge nor calibers, this will be an 'Exercise in Gunsmith Arts' for my gunsmith and myself.
We believe we Can adapt a .22WMR Six shot Cylinder to fit the .32 H&R frame.
We believe we will need to machine the Cylinder rear side to adapt it to the .32 LC Cartridge.
We believe we may need to machine the FRONT of the .32 H&R Cylinder to match the other cylinder so the Forcing Cone can be made to work with both.
It may also need some machining on the Barrel to get it to fit Both cylinders. Possibly setting it back and re-cutting the Forcing Cone.

I also Dropped off my third .22WMR 8-shot Cylinder along with Two reamers to chamber it for ".25ALS/6.35x28.6mmSR" but with the Rim rebates opened to take thinned (to .050" thick nominal) Hornet Rims of .348"-.350" Diameter.

Also i confirmed my order at PT&G for my .25 Magnum Auto Finishing chamber reamer.
This is a .25ACP Diameter Cases of 1.055" case Length.  they estimate a few weeks wait yet.

So goes my 'disposable funds' for this month.  I think I am going to enjoy my birthday later this month.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on September 21, 2016, 11:50:13 pm
Drats!
My plans to get an 8-Shot cylinder chambered in "6.35x28.6mmSR Stewart" hit a 'Roadblock" as The Two PTG Reamers in this cartridge I had purchased turned out to be 'Undersized" as They are marked 'RZR" which means Resizing to PTG and results in a reamer that is made to 'rough out' the chamber prior to running the Finish Reamer into the chamber.
So Now I need to order a correct Finish Chamber Reamer in "6.35x28.6mmSR Stewart" before I can make the Cylinder Correctly.

Talking to PTG, I found they have records that they Completed a Finish Chamber reamer for my ".25 Magnum Auto" but have NO Records of it ever being shipped!  Now they Are Searching for it and will report back to me as to what they find out.

Patience is a Virtue it Seems, and Also a Necessity when it comes to custom chamber reamers.

On a Happier note: I gained possession of my Used .32 H&R Magnum Ruger New Model Single Six Revolver with belt holster on September 20th, and today is my Birthday Anniversary!  My 74th!

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on September 26, 2016, 10:11:57 pm
The PTG Finish Chamber reamer for ".25 Magnum Auto" came today just before the Presidential First debate.
No I need to Verify its dimensions before using it.

Best Regards,
Chev/ William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on October 21, 2016, 08:56:00 pm
William:

Have you tried to get "extra" cylinders from Ruger? 
The last I talked to them (2013), they would not sell a blank cylinder, because they want to fit the cylinder to the frame.
Do you have a machinist who can mill out a cylinder from stock?
There used to be one in Omaha who would make 5-shot cylinders for the big-ass cartridges like .458, .460, etc.

I still have the dream of getting a 12" K-Blackhawk in .256 Mag.

Mustang

Yes, but Ruger customer service says 'not available separately', and also 8-shot cylinders are 'aftermarket' anyway at this time.

There is the "Problem" that IF I send my .25ACP Ruger back to Ruger, FIRST they Will restore it to FACTORY Configuration before it could have any other work done on it.  their Policy is NOT to repair 'modified' firearms unless they are restored to Factory configuration first.

Bummer, but presently I have a "work around" so i am currently'good to go' with this project.

Best Regards,
Chev. William #736


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on December 05, 2016, 07:42:20 pm
My gunsmith is due back in the shop this week so I will be talking to him about scheduling some more Cylinder Re-cut work for this Revolver.
I have Two "Story" 8-shot .22 Cal. cylinders I bought off Ebay to have Modified eventually.  
I also received my "6.35x28.6mmSR Premium Finish Chamber Reamer" form PT&G so I can get my "Number Three" Cylinder Cut.

"Number One" is the .25ACP one cut with standard Tapered Semi-Auto Pistol type chambers.
"Number Two" will be the one Cut with Chambers for ".25Magnum Auto/6.35x26mmSR" Cartridges (at the Gunsmith now).
"Number Three" is described above; it will fit both the 6.35x26.8mmSR and .250ALS cartridges..
"Number Four" is the cylinder cut for ".250ALRM/6.35x32mmSR" cartridges.
"Number Five" will be cut with Straight Cylinder Chambers fo r.25ACP to see if this will stop the "Bulge in the wall at the Web to Wall Transition.  

Here is a photo of my R.A.T.S. Badge fitted in my new Badge Wallet:
(http://i839.photobucket.com/albums/zz316/chevwilliam/My%2032%20Ruger%20Single%20Six%201985%20Project/98edfc30-8e7b-4714-90cb-2f3177d707ff_zpsnmwsf6my.jpg)

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on December 20, 2016, 03:08:12 pm
I have had a Holster made for my custom Long Barrel Ruger Single Eight Revolver and was able to buy a "Factory Second" Western Drop belt and have the same Leather Worker/Saddle Maker add additional cartridge Loops to it so I can carry 36 extra cartridges on it with the maximum eight in the cylinder, for a gross capacity of 44 on hand.

I will add a photo of the Belt and Holster when I am able to get one taken and uploaded.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Mustang Gregg on December 21, 2016, 04:20:21 pm
Chev. William:

I probably missed it, but what barrel do you have installed in the .25 revolver receiver?

Much obliged,
Mustang


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on December 28, 2016, 04:25:16 pm
The barrel on my .25ACP Ruger Single Eight Revolver is a Custom Machined 10-5/8 inch long one made by Willie Clark of "American Gun Works" of Glendale California from a 23 plus inch long "Cr-Mo Alloy Steel" Lothar Walther "Pistol Barrel Blank".  I still have about 12 inches left of the original Blank to make into another barrel at a Later date.

I am sorry it took me so long to notice your Question.

Best Regards,
Chev. William R.A.t.S. #736


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on March 08, 2017, 05:14:02 pm
Passing on Information:
NOE Bullet Molds is hosting a Group buy for the Ranch dog TL255-50-RF 50 grain .25ACP design, and I have Signed up for a 4 Cavity Aluminum Mold (minimum of Ten Purchasers required to start the work).

I also Queried NOE to find out if they could MODIFY the Mold Machining Program / Design to add another driving band/Lube groove so the finished Mold would cast a 65-70 grain Bullet in Soft Lead.  NOE is investigating the possibility and said they will get back to me later with an answer.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on April 02, 2017, 08:19:49 pm
Noe Molds say they think it could be done but they do not have the free time at the moment to fully investigate the programming Modifications needed. they suggested Trying Back in a couple of months.

Oh well.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on October 22, 2017, 05:42:53 pm
October 22, 2017 and I have made Little Progress with my Projects due to Very Limited 'Discretionary Spending Funds' as I have had no "work calls" since the beginning of The year. 
I did receive A Less than COL raise in my Social Security and Military Retirements that was overrun by the 2% annual increase in CA Property taxes, the actual Cost of Living has Gone up over 2% also Plus the CA Government is imposing Increases in Fees and other Taxes Much greater than 2% to further Shrink the amount left me for Food, Utilities, and Shelter.

I did Order a Custom .25ACP Chamber reamer with a .2795" cylindrical Body diameter to hopefully cure the circumferential bulge I see in all my fired Cases, due it seems form the Taper existing in Standard .25ACP chamber reamers.

Also I have another "Wildcat" case registered in "Ammoguide Interactive"; called the .25 Automatic Long Rifle (.25ALR) with a .960" case length (similar to the .22WRF case length). It is cartridge #1011 in their Cartridge Master Data Base.

So there are now Five documented cases in the family:
.25ACP at .612"
.25ALR at .960"
.25MACP at 1.055"
.25ALS at 1.125"
.25ALRM at 1.250"

All use the same .250"-.251" bullet diameter.
All use the same .278" (formed at .276") case body diameter.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on December 12, 2017, 04:47:42 pm
I have received Two new Chamber reamers, both with "cylindrical" Chamber body design; instead of "Tapered" chamber body design.
Both measure .2795" for the Body portion.
they, along with two aftermarket 8-shot '.22 MAG.' cylinders have been delivered into my gunsmth's hands for reaming to new dimensions.
the two Cartridges are:
- .25ACP (nominal .612" case length).
- .25ALR (nominal .960" case length).

Best Regards for the Christmas and New Year Holiday Season,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on December 17, 2017, 11:45:22 am
Sad News:
The recent "Creek Fire" that occurred in the Northeast Border Mountain Ranges of the San Fernando Valley Area of the City of Los Angeles, CA severely damaged the "Angeles Shooting Ranges". the local Commercial out door Shooting Facilities that I frequent. 
The "Reloading Store" in the same complex was left undamaged and is still operating.
I understand  the Range management is planning to rebuild the facility, which is GOOD News.
However, that will take time and for now there is no place locally form me to do any Chronograph Testing of loads.

I still have a Local Indoor Shooting Range that I can use for Accuracy testing of my revolvers but it does NOT alow setting up Chronographs, so no instrumented load development.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Mustang Gregg on January 03, 2018, 11:03:25 am
Good luck getting them back into operation!

MG


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on January 09, 2018, 10:57:50 am
Evacuation Orders in place today for the Lopez, Kagel and Little Tuhunga Canyons burned by The Creek Fire earlier this winter.
Rain Falling Heavily yesterday and today is causing Flooding And Mud flows from all Burn Areas involved, including ones form 2016 fires.
"Issuing Office: Los Angeles
Source: National.Weather.Service

6:07am PST, Tue Jan 9

... THE URBAN AND SMALL STREAM FLOOD ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 900 AM PST FOR THE LA TUNA AND CREEK BURN SCARS IN CENTRAL LOS ANGELES COUNTY... AT 605 AM PST, DOPPLER RADAR AND AUTOMATED RAIN GAUGES INDICATED MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINFALL. RAINFALL RATES BETWEEN 0.33 AND 0.50 INCH PER HOUR WITH LOCALLY HIGHER RAINFALL RATES ARE POSSIBLE. THIS WILL CAUSE MINOR FLOODING AND MUD AND DEBRIS FLOW IN THE VICINITY OF THE LA TUNA AND CREEK BURN SCARS. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... TURN AROUND, DON'T DROWN WHEN ENCOUNTERING FLOODED ROADS. MOST FLOOD DEATHS OCCUR IN VEHICLES. BE ESPECIALLY CAUTIOUS AT NIGHT WHEN IT IS HARDER TO RECOGNIZE THE DANGERS OF FLOODING. MOVE AWAY FROM RECENTLY BURNED AREAS. LIFE THREATENING FLOODING OF CREEKS, ROADS AND NORMALLY DRY ARROYOS IS LIKELY. THE HEAVY RAINS WILL LIKELY TRIGGER ROCKSLIDES, MUDSLIDES AND DEBRIS FLOWS IN STEEP TERRAIN, ESPECIALLY IN AND AROUND THESE AREAS. A FLOOD ADVISORY MEANS RIVER OR STREAM FLOWS ARE ELEVATED, OR PONDING OF WATER IN URBAN OR OTHER AREAS IS OCCURRING OR IS IMMINENT. && "

Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Mustang Gregg on January 12, 2018, 12:15:25 am
Take care, Chev. William.


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: dusty texian on January 12, 2018, 06:50:56 am
Hope you and your family are safe and sound .,,,DT


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on January 14, 2018, 12:33:19 pm
RE: the winter storm of January.  My Front Driveway and vehicle parking area is Gravel covered Alluvial Sand that was deposited a Very Long time ago.  During the peak rainfall here my parking area was covered with a sheet of 'standing' water that covered the Gravel.  the Tent canvas over my Patio developed Two Deep Bulges from accumulated water that i 'dumped' twice during the storm's passage.  Once The Rain Slowed, the standing water subsided rapidly.  The once brown Grass of my Yards turned green the next day with fresh growth and still continues to be green today.  As is normal in Winter, the deciduous trees have Gone to Yellow before the storm and were turned into Bare gray Limbs by the wind and rain.  Wet, yellowed, leaves covered the ground around those trees.  The Pine trees lost some needles and a few old dry limbs that littered my 'lawn' And a sheet of 1/8" thick Luan Plywood was rendered into small pieces by the storms rage. 
Cleanup has been accomplished here, with my 'trash bins' filled and ready For their second 'pick up' after the storm's passing.

Good News from "Angeles Shooting Ranges" as I found out Saturday they have been working diligently and will be reopening the ranges for shooters Monday Morning.  The range Offices are presently in a 'double wide Trailer' while Cleanup and clearing of the old, burned out, Range Office building continues.

The Burned or 'cooked' trees and 'snags' are still being cut down and cut up along the access Road to the range area, mostly an old Eucalyptus planting from about Prior to WW2 Era.  a Line of Pine trees surrounding the County prisoner Camp show 'cooked' foliage about half way up their height but are green and growing above that.  An Oak that bordered the access road is still green but a section of it that had toppled a couple of years earlier and dried out has gone to ash.  the Little Tungah (sp?) Canyon hillsides which were part of the Creek fire burn area are now gray-brown and almost completely bare of growth as it is still too soon after the fire for new growth to be evident.  The Area reminds me of photos of war torn WW1 Battle Zones in color and missing foliage, but without the shell craters.  a abrupt change from the appearance it had Before the fires. 

My Niece lives on a street in the Sunland area that is between the areas burned by the Creek fire and the Previous La Tuna Canyon fire.  She was lucky then but the rains and mud/debris flows did come down her street, so there was cleanup to attend to there. 

Reports of the Massive fire and Rain/Mud damage and cleanups in Monticito, CA have been in the news with the sad loss of Life in the Mudslides.  There are sitll Some Unaccounted for residents of the area with chances of finding them alive dwindling.  Sad.

Best Regards,
Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on March 10, 2018, 08:25:47 pm
Saturday, March 10th, is a rainy day here, the USPS came through with two packages for me that advance my Experiments:
1.  From Lee Precision I received Two Oversized .25ACP Sizing dies to finish size to Maximum SAAMI cartridge diameter of .278" instead of the Undersize  of .276"my past sizing die yielded.
2.  From JGS Precision I received my new ".25MACP WS#3 Finish Chamber Reamer.  The Reamer is a Cylinder body reamer of .2795" diameter with out a body taper.  I believe this will Give a longer Case life in reloading from my Ruger Revolver.

I now have received several chamber reamers form Two suppliers:
From PT&G I have tapered Chamber Reamers for .25ACP, .250ALRM, 6.35x28.6mmSR, 6.35x26mmSR, and .32 Colt Long.
From JGS I have cylinder body Chamber reamers for .25ACP WS#1, .25ALR WS#2, and .25MACP WS#3.

The Next reamer I intend to order is another JGS cylinder chamber reamer for .25ALS WS#4, a case of 1.125" length
and .278" body diameter

Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on April 23, 2018, 07:25:36 pm
Good And bad: Yea and Drat.

The Good: Noe Finished my two Molds and I have them in my Possession; Both are four cavity Aluminum;
First one is for the 50 grain Ranch Dog TL255-50-RF Design;
Second one is for the 65 grain Ranch Dog TL255-65-RF Design.
Al at NOE designed the cutting tool to be able to make both size bullet molds so tooling cost was spread over the Full Group buy of TL255 Molds.
So anyone Desiring a copy of the mold can order it without having a Tooling Charge for it; Just The Wait for production scheduling.

The Bad:  The First of the two Lee "Oversize" carbide ring Sizing dies that I ordered to size to SAAMI .25ACP Maximum Case Diameter has FAILED due to the Carbide Ring Shattering after 100 cases were swaged to its diameter.
The second is sizing slightly OVER SAMMI maximum diameter for the .25ACP case. 

I believe the Failure was my fault as I may have maladjusted the die and caused the failure from the rim of a parent case over stressing the carbide. 
But now I need to order another "Oversize" one from Lee Precision.

The Nice:  I have tried out a .277" ID Drill Bushing for a "Shearing" last step in my forming instead of a "Turning operation(s)" step.
100 Cases of 5.7x28mm FN that had been Swaged down to ~.277" body diameter with a short tapered section near the Base and not yet turned down were pushed into the Drill bushing mounted in a used die body and Successfully came out ~.277" diameter from Mouth to Extractor Clearance Cut (ECC) just above the rim.  The base for about .070" above the ECC down to the top of the ECC showed clean Brass devoid of the Polymer coating.  There was a Thin, fine, ring of sheared Brass and Polymer sittin gin the ECC that was removed by finger manipulation. 
These were the cases final Swage formed by The die that failed on the 101st case when I began the set up for the second 100 case box of formed cases.

Now to wait for Funds (next monthly Social Security Direct Deposit).

Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on May 28, 2018, 12:22:20 pm
Memorial Holiday Weekend and some happy news for me.
I received my Social Security Direct Deposit monthly on May 23rd!
Friday, I received my New JGS Precision Finish chamber reamer; ".25ALS WS #4" for the 1.125" long case 'Mildcat'.
Saturday, I received a $90.00 Check for attending a six hour mandatory safety training class.
Also Saturday, I received the Paycheck for my May 8-9 overnight Emergency Work Call  tending a 1400 amp Tow Plant (Generator) on an LCT 'anchored' in mid channel in Marina Del Rey harbor.
Sunday I bought about $130 worth of food at a local market and spent the late afternoon stowing it in my pantry and refrigerator.
Monday, i use some of the 'future' money (when I deposit the checks) to order a NOE 5 cavity RD TL255-50-RF Mold.

A GOOD Memorial Day Weekend for me.

Chev. William


Title: Re: .25ACP Ruger New Model Single Eight.
Post by: Chev. William on June 08, 2018, 11:03:20 am
The NOE 5 cavity Mold is on order.

Also, I have ordered the Next JGS Precision Finish Chamber Reamer inmy series of tighter sized Chambers for my 'Mildcats'; the on e for a .25 ALRM Rifle Chamber which will have a slight taper added to the Breech end to ease Extraction in a Rifle application of the 1.250" long straight cylinder case Design.  It will also have a longer Throat taper to allow for longer, and heavier, Bullets.
This new Reamer is to be called the ".25ALRM WS#5" by JGS Precision.

Another Experiment in Progress is making ".22 Ladybug" Cases from .25ACP parent Brass via a Multiple step Swaging and Machining Process.  These will be Center Fire Cases for use in converted .22 Long or .22 Long Rifle Firearms.
The design was first brought up by "NoZombies" on the "Cast Boolits Shooter Forums" as a project to make reloadable subsonic cartridges to aid in pest control in his area. 

The originators' development has now also advanced to a ".22 Ladybug repeater" design which also reduces the rim diameter to that of a .22LR cartridge and enhances its 'semiautomatic feeding in converted repeating firearms.

His plan is to be able to convert single shot or Semi-automatic rifles and Handguns to this CF 'Long Rifle' design cartridge and use them quietly for his pest control needs in ihs Semi rural neighborhood.  Sub sonic because he is al;so using a sound Suppressor on his development rifle.

Chev. William