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Title: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Professor Marvel on January 12, 2016, 11:28:50 PM
Greetings My Good Netizens -

Being so enamored with the oddball Revolving Carbines, such as my latest acquisition the Remington Revolving Carbine
(https://www.gunsamerica.com/UserImages/5263/955487496/wm_4805541.jpg)

I was intrigued  to find another today - the Model of 1893 H. Pieper Revolving Carbine in 8 mm Nagant. The nine-shot carbine has the added feature of the  Nagant revolver in that the cylinder moves forward to effect a gas seal!

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Revolving%20Longguns/H.%20Pieper%20Revolving%20Carbine/H.%20Pieper%20Revolving%20Carbine.html (http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Revolving%20Longguns/H.%20Pieper%20Revolving%20Carbine/H.%20Pieper%20Revolving%20Carbine.html)

As we remember, the original Nagant revolver was designed in 1886, and the finalized design of the M1895 was accepted by the Tzar as the official Russian Sidearm.

As I proceeded down this rabbithole of obscure carbines imagine my delight to discover this Page of All Knowledge
regarding revolving longarms:

http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Revolving%20Longguns/Revolving%20Longguns.html (http://milpas.cc/rifles/ZFiles/Revolving%20Longguns/Revolving%20Longguns.html)

It seems there have been a plethora of these things through the years... some even operated by lever or pump action...

yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: wildman1 on January 13, 2016, 06:56:49 AM
I have two revolving rifles. One is a 44 cal C&B of modern manufacture and one is a Colt Root Rifle of late 1860's manufacture. wM1
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Forty Rod on January 13, 2016, 12:14:58 PM
Had a .44 (? Might have been a .41) Roper long ago.  Didn't have the reloadable "cartridge" sleeves and sold it for a 400% profit... about 1/20th what it's going for today.
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Jake C on January 13, 2016, 12:28:33 PM
Prof. Marvel,

Thanks for sharing those links, they're really interesting. And your Remington carbine is super cool looking, thanks for sharing it! I'm gonna try to get one myself, just need to get my first lever gun before that. I've always loved things that were a bit different from the norm, so those Remington carbines have always caught my eye.
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Mogorilla on January 14, 2016, 07:14:24 AM
Hey Professor,
Nice looking carbine.  A friend has one and they are great to shoot.   I enjoyed it, I had to have a version, mine being more Texas Steampunk, as it is one of those brass buffalo Remington pistols with a shoulder stock.  I got the pistol as a present and had the stock from my 1860 Colt.  I had to do a little internal shaping and buy an extended hammer bolt from Taylor Firearms, but the stock works on both pistols.  Many thanks for the links.   I have handled original root rifles and carbines.  Not sure why the carbine never caught on more.  If held back at the trigger, it felt great.  I would not have wanted to shoot the rifle with my hands out front though.   
Did not see a LeMat carbine on the page.  One of those is on my wish list, but since I did not win the lottery, still just on the list. 

(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b349/Mogorilla/scabbard3.jpg)
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Grenadier on January 14, 2016, 07:27:07 AM
I cannot understand why no one has made a copy of the 1855 Colt rifle. I am sure they would sell to shooters and Civil War re-enactors alike.
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: LostVaquero on January 14, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
I cannot understand why no one has made a copy of the 1855 Colt rifle. I am sure they would sell to shooters and Civil War re-enactors alike.

Palmetto of Italy did at one time (they are long gone now).  From what I read some were good, some had some real quality issues.

Periodically I will shoot an email to Pedersoli urging them to make one of the M1855s since they do so many other black powder weapons.

I have one of the Uberti Remingtion jobs as well and put a Kirst conversion cylinder in it. 

Not period West but the Rossi Circuit Judge can be in that ilk as well since you can put 45lc instead of 410 shotshells. 

Both are a hoot to shoot. 
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Blair on January 14, 2016, 12:16:51 PM
I got a chance to handle one of the DGW Root "Rifles" back in 2003 or 04 during N-SSA Nationals.
I also don't remember who manufactured it. (I seen to remember thinking it was Armi Sport)

It was a six shot in .44 revolver cal. Which was ok for a sporting rifle. However, they put the long fore stock of the Military rifle on it.
This made everything look very much out-of-scale for the military caliber fireaems.

LostVaquero,

Please do contact Pedersoli.
Please do not be surprized if they should turn you down. My experience is that they are not keen on building revolving firearms.
My best,
 Blair
Title: Re: Revolving Rifles
Post by: Mike on January 14, 2016, 09:41:12 PM
How are these companies going to a increase sales, make new modles if they dont know what people want.
I belive people should email them and suggest items they might consider.
I for one are not shy to say what i think good or bad.
Cost may be a factor, i have not seen the internals of a 1855 Colt but cant be any worse than the Paterson.
 ;D