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CAS TOPICS => Gun Reviews => Topic started by: Mike on August 18, 2015, 12:16:40 AM
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Pick up my Pietta Paterson today, this is my second paterson I have owned. The first was a Uberti about twenty five or thirty years ago.
Well if it had been a 1851 or 1860 i would not have picked it up. the quality of finish is below what I would normaly except.
List of thing that will be done over the next month.
1/ strip and clean oil out of the gun
2/ smooth the action
3/ completly trip finish which Black
4/ remove markings from frame and barrel
5/ finish the grips, file marks on one side.
6/ refinsh gun in a blue brown finish
7/ put it back togeather
8/ take it to the range :D This will be the best part.
This gun will be with me for awhile.
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Did you buy the 'Do-It-Yourself' kit, Mike? ;)
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No it is surpposed to be a out of the box ready to go. I would of prefered a kit. Two year wait to arrive in NZ.
The dealer got four i belive tne two i had to choose from were the same.
For a expencive gun they they are not fit for use out of the box.
As a wall hanger fine.
I new i would be tripping the finish off and will add photos when done.
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That sounds like a neat project Mike .What caliber is it?,,,DT
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DT
36, just posted picture. Will up date as we get it done. Will get a better picture before starting.
I have a ASM Walker which will get the same treatment.
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Ok, I was always told a square pin will not go into a round hole. So why have a round cylinder bolt whole and make the bolt retangular.
When the cylinder is out of the gun the bolt will not drop.
Moving house this weekend so no workshop, but next week will strip the gun down and see what other hidden jems i will find. Feels like all internals will need polishing, hope i dont break anything as two years is a long wait fot parts.
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Mike I have never handeled one. How complicated is that trigger poping out deal ? Why so long of a wait 2 yrs. WOW . That is what I call planning ahead! ,,,DT
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I will try and put pictures up as i take it apart, they are not the same as tne later modles.
Pietta only do a run of Patersons when they have enough orders, i placec mine two years ago. I want to trip it down to the white metal and give it a aged look. I also want to shoot it.
As stated we are moving house tomorrow so have not taken it apart except to remove the barrel and cylinder to see why it would not index.
the bolt is rough to say the least and is nkt rounded to fit the cylinder.
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It will look good antiqued. That square bolt and round hole ? ,,,DT
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DT
when you try and cock this New gun it is so rough, i expect to find burs and unpolished parts, tried to up load the PDF i have but will not open.
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No doubt by the time you get finnished slicking it up and polishing it out, you will know that piece well. The FUN of it . ,,,,DT
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Took the Paterson apart today, all internal parts have burs which will need removing. Screws came out easy no damage. Will polish ghe parts and see how it work after and report.
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Ok, spent today on the Paterson and it is better. All parts needed de burring and polishing, all parts are hard not like most of the Uberties I have.
The parts had all the side which bear on other parts or the frame stoned. Reduced the main spring a bit also. Rounded the bolt a bit but may need more work. There is know way this gun could of been shot in the out of box condition.
The trigger need more work but will do that when i strip it to remove the markings and refinish the gun.
Will report after i have burnts some powder.
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Ok.
revisited the Paterson last weekend. :( Took it to the range and fired ten shots and put it away. The action is not working well at all and it fowls badly even with lub over ball.
Fired caps fall down into the action after ever shot, but the main problem is the bolt.
Took the gun apart today and the bolt does not drop on half cock with the cylinder out, but does most of the time with the cylinder in but it is still draging.Took the recall section of the frame off and the bolt drops every time, as soon as you but the recall shield back on even just holding it on the bolt slips the hammer cam. I can get it to do it with a screw driver placed over were the frame fits. Well was going to have a go at fixing the issue with a file when the bolt broke at the screw hole so cant do anything till a new bolt is found. Did soften the hammer spring a little tonight witch make it easer to cock.
Well hope to get it shooting again soon.
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Contacted Pietta by email and it looks like they are sending me the bolt ;D
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Mike, are the nipples standard Pietta? Reason I ask is the Uberti Patterson I had about 10 years ago used a nipple with a "cross" pattern instead of the usual parallel sided shoulders. Had to have a machinist friend make me a nipple wrench. Good luck with this project--you appear to be a patient man and I hope that isn't tried to its limit!
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Navy six.
Nipples are standed factory fitted, I cant play with nipples until i get the gun action sorted. Three guns turned up at the importers last year, i saw two of them and neither one had a good action. The second gun is still there i belive.
Will report when i have the bolt.
I may turn out to be an expensive wall hanger.
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Up date Feb, Pietta said they would send me the new bolt great, main spring turned up two days ago. I sent them a picture of tne bolt will see what turns up.
Any one converted a Rem 58 bolt to work in a Paterson. ??? ???
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Received another main spring today, so now have two but no bolt :'(
will see if any of the US spars guys have one. May have to make one.
Happy Days.
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Any one want a Paterson main/Hammer spring, i have three now ??? ???
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Mike, I checked with VTI and they have the Pietta Patterson bolt in stock. Can you order it from where you are?
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VTI are normaly ok.
will wait another week as the bolt may turn up yet.
thanks
m
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;D ;D ;D
Pietta have come to the party and the bolt tured up today, to give them credit they said they would replace the part and they did.
The part needed no polishing all machine marks gone not like the one tne gun came with.
Pietta are vefy good to deal with as they answer your emails, not like two.
very hapy now gun back togeather.
Thank you Pietta.
;D
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Brave man, the Patterson is an overly complicated and delicate gun. I've got 3, two pietta's and one uberti. The uberti is the nicest of the three fit and finish wise, but the chamber is out of line with the barrel. The two pietta's I've got shoot good, but are very poorly finished and action is rough as guts. I keep saying I'm going to take the pietta down and go through it like your doing, but haven't gotten brave enough yet.
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A few years ago I found a Paterson belt model at a local gun shop at what seemed to be a reasonable price.
I picked it up and gave the action a try. It was like a hand full of builders sand had been dumped into the action.
I don't remember who made that particular firearm, but I do remember thinking to myself "what a piece of garbage!"
I had the same thing happen with a repro Whitey .36 cal. Navy revolver. I do remember that that revolver was made by ASM. I wanted a .36 cal. solid frame revolver to use for target shooting within the N-SSA at 25 and 50 yards.
I couldn't bring myself to spend the money on either gun, nor did I want to waist my time to try to make either work for me.
My best,
Blair
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Yup, they are rubbish, it is back together and still need some work. Had to polish the cylinder face as it was binding on cocking. I think the bolt spring is too strong, but i dont want to play with it as i dont have another one.
I had a Uberti Paterson about twenty years ago which was a much better gun.
I am starting to belive that these Italian made guns are kits which need finishing. The are not proof fired as a complete finished gun
The Paterson is not a hard gun to strip and work on, there are a few more parts and you have to get your head around on how it works
Bolt works the same, off the hammer stud.
Would I buy another one No,
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Mike,
I remember Louie Armadi of Eruroarms telling me he was working on building a La Matt revolver. He had already invested about 50,000 Italian dollars into it. (At that time that was about $60.00 US dollars ???)
I told him, that Navy Arms was just about to introduce their La Matt revolver, within 6 months to a year. Louie gave up on the idea!!!
I asked him not to give it up, but rather to wait and see which model La Matt Navy Arms/Uberti was going to come out with, and he could produce the early or late model La Matt depending on what they did.
It never went beyond that.
So much for trying to offer help to most of the Italian manufactures?
My best,
Blair
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Interesting,
I have around 10 Uberti firearm at present spanning twenty years production and have owned thirty or more, add to that the ASM and Pietta guns i have had over thirty year, the last few years guns that I have had are not as good as the older guns.
Issues with fitting, action work, sights. Just some of the isues. I will add all the rifles once actions sorted not all, shoot well. The ASM SAA still out shoot the Uberti.
It would be a pore world with out the Italian replica and I hope they carry on making good copies of classic antique guns.
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Mike, the two happiest days in a Paterson owners life. The day he buys them and the day he sells them. I had a Pietta and Uberti.
Real happy when I bought them at a good price and really happy when I sold them and made money. I took the Pietta apart and
just shook my head and put it back together. Never took the Uberti apart. I came to the conclusion that like paraphrasing old
Chief Dan George talking to Josey Wales about the hard candy "Patersons are for looking not shooting" Good luck Charlie
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Yes II would agree with that, I wanted one, I wanted to shoot it once and then just have it. But to shoot it was when the work started.
There are far better guns out there.
But I am glade they made a replica ;D
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Paterson is in bits again, it seems the arm on the bolt are too short to work on the cam on the hammer, put the cylinder in the lath to take the bolt marks off and the cylinder is not round? Not too bad but these guns are more than a joke.
Bolt has had a lot of work done to it to get it to drop properly, may need a spare.
Not sure this gun will ever be a reliable range gun.
??? ??? :-\ :-X :-[
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Mike,
I remember Louie Armadi of Eruroarms telling me he was working on building a La Matt revolver. He had already invested about 50,000 Italian dollars into it. (At that time that was about $60.00 US dollars ???)
I told him, that Navy Arms was just about to introduce their La Matt revolver, within 6 months to a year. Louie gave up on the idea!!!
I asked him not to give it up, but rather to wait and see which model La Matt Navy Arms/Uberti was going to come out with, and he could produce the early or late model La Matt depending on what they did.
It never went beyond that.
So much for trying to offer help to most of the Italian manufactures?
My best,
Blair
I got in early on the Val Forgett/Navy Arms LaMat's project, I signed and paid my $100 per gun prebuild subscription
one year later, I was the owner of two Cavalry models. ( Army & Navy models were also produced )
Uberti was not involved , they were of Pietta manufacture, as today.
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Altered a Army bolt and the gun is much smoother, still the bolt drops too soon if hammer is pulled back quickly.
As far as the Italian companies are concerned, Don't sell firearms with out checking them. Also how can you proof a firearm (which is required under law) if the the gun does not work???? Interesting.
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Have always wanted a Paterson. You made me feel so glad that I opted to buy the Dance Brothers Revolver at the time I was looking. Although, not sure if you all watch Supernatural or not, but the demon killing Colt (converted Paterson) is back this season. That makes me want to spend money again. Starting to reread this thread.
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You guys in the US can try more gun than we can, if I order a gun from the dealer / importer it will take eighteen months or more to arrive if the gun is rubbish I have two options leave it or buy it and try and get it working. I have owned Uberti guns since the late seventies and have lost count how many I have owned. The new ones in the last twelve years have all had to be worked to get them to do what they are suppose to do. The work varies from being able to get the screws out with out buggering them to sorting actions and barrel alignment.
This Paterson has been the worst. I wont buy any more new guns only interested in old second hand guns at a price that suits condition.
Good luck with your search.