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CAS TOPICS => 1911 & Wild Bunch Shooting => Topic started by: The Trinity Kid on April 26, 2014, 01:17:51 AM
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Howdy y'all.
I just got a new Lee reloading press, and some .45ACP dies, and I was wondering: what powders do y'all suggest for my 1911? Bullseye, Unique and 231 are what my load data book uses as examples, but what do y'all think?
--TK
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All three are VERY suitable, but I think 231 gets the nod.
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It is a question of what powder you can find!
Lafitte :o
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Quit using Bullseye years ago when I discovered Win 231 (Hodgon HP-38 is the same powder), but over the last several years, I have been using Hodgon Titegroup more than 231/HP-38 and like it 'very well'!!! Burns clean and accurate. Never have used Unique for 45 ACP, but it's a fine powder. Bullseye is a dirty burner or at least it used to be.
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I use 231 for my Wild Bunch loads with a 230gr RN. Like it a lot.
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Guess what I found available? 231! Guess what I'm gonna use? :)
--TK
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I've loaded .45 ACP with Unique, Bulls Eye, Red Dot, Green Dot, 231 and 700X. The old Unique used to be a dirty powder, but define dirty? So I have to clean thoroughly after 500 rds instead of 750. Big Deal.
My preferred powder is Red Dot, but you gotta take whatcha can get these days.
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but you gotta take whatcha can get these days.
That is sad but very true. I like to use W231 in my semi-autos but it's impossible to find in my area. I've been using Trail Boss in my 1911.
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That is sad but very true. I like to use W231 in my semi-autos but it's impossible to find in my area. I've been using Trail Boss in my 1911.
Me too
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I use Unique powder in my .45 acp because it works well with the 230 grain cast bullets that I prefer and because it works well in most standard pressure, large bore revolver/pistol cartridges such as the .44-40, .45 Colt, etc. It allows me to stock up on a single powder that performs well in revolver, and even rifle reloads with cast bullets. Using it in cast bullet, practice loads for .45-70, 9.3x62, .32 Special, etc allows for a lot of fun practice for low cost. I see that many people seem to use Trailboss for similar purposes now but I have never switched from good old Unique. Soot safe.
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When I started shooting the M1911 in 1973, I used Unique exclusively for all my reloading because it was all I could get. Lately I have been using AA#5, AA#7, W231, HP38, and Hogdon's Auto-Comp with good results with all three.
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Started with Unique-ran out.
Switched to 231-ran out.
Switched to Clays-ran out.
Switched back to 231. Have about 10 lbs of it left.
If I run out of 231, I have 30 lbs of Red Dot and a proven load for it.
Ya just gotta go with what ya can find.
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I've loaded .45 ACP with Unique, Bulls Eye, Red Dot, Green Dot, 231 and 700X. The old Unique used to be a dirty powder, but define dirty? So I have to clean thoroughly after 500 rds instead of 750. Big Deal.
My preferred powder is Red Dot, but you gotta take whatcha can get these days.
I always defined 'a dirty powder' by how much residue it left outside of the gun I was shooting it in, also residue left in the barrel. For the majority of the years I was a badge wearing police officer I carried and shot in competition/plinking a 4" Colt Trooper (38/357) that I had a Metallife finish applied to it (1979) by Magna-Port Arms. It is a silvery/gray color, hard as the proverbial rock and wears like proverbial 'iron'. I like it better than stainless steel in appearance. Anyway, after the refinish, I could really tell more than when the gun was in its blued state as to which powders burned cleaner than others. Used the same guide when loading cast/jacketed loads using such powders as 2400, 296, etc in 357 rounds. Loading/shooting 38 Spec rounds, the old Hercules Bullseye blackened the cylinder/barrel more than 231 and with Titegroup. Unique did so to, but the newer stuff IS cleaner burning. I haven't tried the Alliant Bullseye, probably won't due to liking and having a good supply of 231/HP-38 and Titegroup. In my three 1911 style 45 ACP's, one is a stainless model. The 231/HP-38 powders and Titegroup work real well. Accurate and clean burning. Been gonna' try Red Dot, but it's a 'ben-gonna' project. I do like Red Dot in 45 Colt, one of my favorite powders for that caliber. Most powders in my area (North Iowa) are plentiful and not near the price some have posted as paying. Red Dot Titegroup, Unique, 231 for example run $18-20 per pound. Primers$30-32 per 1000. 22LR's are a nother' matter. :(
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Try $32-$34 per lb. for most rifle/pistol powders in Canada - IF you can find any on the shelves.
Too many hoarders out there who will eventually have no one to shoot with since we can't find powder to load with.
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Here in So Cal, Unique and Bullseye are almost non existent and if you find 231 get all you can. I hear since Hodgdon has taken over Winchester and IMR powders, 231 is being phased out. Two powders I have started reloading 45ACP with and find easy to get are Accurate #5 and Winchester AutoComp. Both seem to be very clean burning and accurate. There is also Hodgdon Longshot which burns a little on the dirty side being a shotgun powder but seems to work well also. Hope this helps. W. L.
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I believe [IMR] powders are made in Quebec, according to "Handloader" magazine. They get shipped to the US and then we go begging here.
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As Stated I used to use Unique exclusively. After conversing with a long time friend and telling him that he informed me that "Hercules", now Alliant Powders, were once described to him as "Explosive Dirt".
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The only powder I use anymore in the .45 acp is Alliant American Select. Easy to find, very clean single base powder, highly consistent both in meter and burn. Try 4.5 grains under a 230 LRN.
in my 1911: avg 856 fps, SD 18.
in a 16" Thompson Semi Auto: avg 997 fps, SD 11.
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I used Tigegroup for a long time but when I couldn't find it I tried Red Dot. I am not looking for Tigegroup any more.
Blackfoot
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Hey, Trinity, take a look at the post I left in the reloading section of thr forum. I just tried loading 45ACP with trail boss and got some really good results. Accurate as any powder I've used and a surprisingly light recoil. A really good match. W.L.
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I actually just sold my 45... I'm planning on using the funds for a 357 though. And I'll probably end up with another 45 someday. ::)
--TK
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Then try it in your 357s and 38 spc. It works even better with those! ;D
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I've always used Alliant Green Dot with my 230gr. LRN Bear Creek Bullets for my .45ACP reloads.
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700X
..works well for me in cartridges calling for 3.5 to 5.0 gr charge weights.....hum, perfect for 44's & 45's....
But use what ya can find.....
Slim
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;D don't forget WST under a 230 lrn. Dusty Boddams
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Actually, I use fffg Grafs BP in mine. It shoots cleaner than the old Unique.
Fingers (Show Me MO smoke) McGee
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Indeed. There are few things in life that cannot be improved with a full case of 3f!
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Back when I shot NRA Bullseye matches the standard load 3.5 grains of Bullseye, 200 cast semi wad cutter bullet. When we started mounting electronic sights on the slide, we kicked it up to 4 grains. This info is probably of no use to your shooting.
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Red Dot, Clays or Clay Dot work well for me. Doubles as my shotgun powder. Was at the Raleigh NC show this past weekend and powder is back 100%. Any brand or size you could possibly want. I figured that the hoarders only had so much disposable income to tie up in reloading supplies and that at some point the suppliers would catch up. Now if we can ever get ahead of the.22 hoarders we might see reasonable .22s again.
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Unique works in just about everything straight wall... a very versatile powder.
It has a wide, useful range... you can make both light practice loads and moderately heavy loads with it.
You will hear people mention that it is dirty, but the newer formulation is cleaner. As long as you are getting it in plastic rather than cardboard containers it is most likely the newer, cleaner burning formula.