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CAS TOPICS => Shooter's Meeting => Topic started by: Bugscuffle on February 02, 2013, 10:29:39 AM
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The SASS rulebook simply says that boots need to be of a traditional design. Just what do the rules committee members consider “traditional”? Are exotic leathers allowed, i.e. ostrich, snake, lizard, etc.? Are pointy toes allowed, you know the cockroach-in-the-corner stompers? How much, if any, fancy stitching is allowed? Hmmm... I guess that in "B" Western that would be, how much is required?
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Actually except for CC and B Western, boots, nor any footwear for that matter, are not required.
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I think for sass, other than Classic Cowboy orB-western, probably any boots besides modern combat/tactical or hiking boots would work. Even plain old lace up work boots have been around since pre-1900, as long as they don't have the molded on soles, you know, the ones that look like tennis shoe soles on boots.
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Actually except for CC and B Western, boots, nor any footwear for that matter, are not required.
WOW! Look at the money I can save! I'll just paint my feet with a snakeskin pattern.
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This is Half aa Hand Henri, one of the top lady shooters in SASS. I have been on the same posse and watched her shoot for years. Very gracious lady and a lots of fun. I believe she is a Lady Senior now. Sand, dirt, gravel, crushed rock doesn't aze her. Hurts me to watch.
(http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee189/redcent69/HalfahandHenri_zpsd5f6fd97.jpg)
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Yep, in that photo she is standing in grass. She's been in Arizona for the past few months getting ready for Winter Range. Never wears shoes or boots even in the rocks on our local ranges. She is a hoot and one of the top shooters in SASS.
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Wonder how she deals with the bullheads that were a bain to my existance back in my flat tired bicyle days. Two 1/4 -3/8 inch thorns sticking out of what resembles a cow's skull for those who have not experienced them. Shape makes them like a caltrop always having a thorn sticking up.
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Hi
Rather than start a new thread, I'll just jump on the back of the wagon here.
I plan on ordering a pair of boots from Missouri boot and shoe. I've worn brogans a little, and I wear cowboy boots a lot, but I've NEVER put the pants leg down the boots like they did back in the day. How much do I need to add on the boot width? Do I need to order pants that are thinner in the leg at the bottom?
I also need to work out what socks to wear with the boots. What brand socks actually stay up?
Thanks
Mike
Norman OK
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Not everyone put their pants into their boots back then. In fact most did not. If you plan to tuck your pants, measure your calf with your pants on.
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A lot of it depended on where you were at as to tuck or not. If you are where stuff ends up in the tops it's a bad idea, if you need a bit of brush protection for you pants it's a good idea.
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If you are wearing them just because ... Pants in or out would be a personal choice.
If re-enacting or creating a persona then ...
Townie, pants out
Mule skinner pants in and boot straps
A low life Cowboy pants in or out boots no straps.
How's that for generalization. ;D
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Not that this has anything to do with the original subject but......
I was watching for the 1000th time the movie "the good, the bad and the ugly"........just noticed for the first time the scene where Tuco and Blonde are waiting out the artillery barrage before the yankees and rebs fight over the bridge......
The yankee soldier extra in the background, ducking incoming had his leg stretched out and it showed he was wearing full leather combat boots, current issue for the modern military of the 1960's...........I recognized this as I sold this type boot thru the DoS for the African Union Army two years ago.
I guess it don't matter what your footwear is.........
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Not everyone put their pants into their boots back then. In fact most did not. If you plan to tuck your pants, measure your calf with your pants on.
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Does a lot of the cloth at the hem end up bunched around your ankles inside the boot? Del, just walking around the range here in OKC was messy enough. If I do get to start shooting GAF, I think I'll either need the pants tucked in or really splurge and buy chaps. No horse, so I'm having trouble with the chaps idea.
Mike
Norman OK
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The yankee soldier extra in the background, ducking incoming had his leg stretched out and it showed he was wearing full leather combat boots, current issue for the modern military of the 1960's...........I recognized this as I sold this type boot thru the DoS for the African Union Army two years ago.
I seemed to recall that some sort of Regular Army troops were used as extras, so it is not surprising
that on the low budget of the Spaghett Western the extras would be wearing their own issue shoes/boots
that actually fit.....
here we are, from imdb trivia:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060196/trivia
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
Trivia
"Shot in the deserts of Spain with 1,500 Spanish soldiers as extras"
yhs
prof marverl
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Does a lot of the cloth at the hem end up bunched around your ankles inside the boot? Del, just walking around the range here in OKC was messy enough. If I do get to start shooting GAF, I think I'll either need the pants tucked in or really splurge and buy chaps. No horse, so I'm having trouble with the chaps idea.
Mike
Norman OK
If you're going to shot with GAF it would depend where you shoot, and what sort of outfit you're going for. If it's midsummer, then around where I live, walking around with pants tucked into your boots in the pasture will get you a bunch of grass seed in your boots. But if it's early morning, wear them outside, they'll get soaked from the dew. When I wore mine inside, I would pull the extra cloth tight and sort of fold it over, not just stuff it all down in there. Or you could wear shoes with leggings that will keep out the seeds.
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1961MJS, instead of chaps have you considered Botas?
Here is a pair by Chuck Burrows.
(http://www.wrtcleather.com/1-ckd/1-gallery-2007/Botas_1860-70s_001-1.jpg)
You can find more information in the Leather section.
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1961MJS, instead of chaps have you considered Botas?
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You can find more information in the Leather section.
Thanks, I'll look into those.
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How about a pair of moccasins instead of boots?
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How about a pair of moccasins instead of boots?
Perfectly legal!
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Looking for B-Western boots myself bt have big ol' 22" calves so have trouble finding boots that work for me...can anyone direct me to wide calf boots? 8)
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Cowboy boots were made to have the pants worn on the outside. My father a real Montana Cowboy born in 1914 claimed the only people who stuffed there pants in the boots were Texans. Being from Montana did not think much of Texans.
Also the reason cowboy boots have the notch front and back on the upper is to hold your pant leg up at the top of the boot when mucking out stables and such so the pants dont get muddy or worse.
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and the " the Rooster Ron De Theorie van het dode paard award " goes too ;D
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Necromancy!! Diggin up Bones !!
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PLUS and ALSO: Cowboys were a minority. Plus I'm some more mature so I costume and dress towny. Don't wear "Boots." Wear Hightop Shoes. "COMFORTABLE" high top shoes.
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I’ve been wearing the same Mule Ear boots since 2007 for both matches and more formal events such as banquets. They have served me well but are on their last leg. In searching for some Old West boots to wear at the recent NCOWS Convention, I discovered Chelsea Boots. I shopped online and ended up purchasing a pair of Chelsea boots from Kohl’s Department Stores. Kohl’s is very good about accepting returns. https://www.kohls.com/product/prd-1623762/eastland-daily-double-leather-ankle-boots-men.jsp?prdPV=7 They were on sale and my cost was $84.61 including shipping. I don’t like to buy shoes online but I was lucky and they were a perfect fit. These boots seem to be well made. The soles appear to be some type of a non-slip rubber material. The leather on the boots has a dull matte finish to which I applied a coat of Skidmore’s Leather Crème. Another good feature is these boots go on easily with a shoe horn. I have a new hip and shoe laces are a problem for me. Although these boots were very comfortable from the start, I did insert a pair of Doctor Scholl’s which added to the comfort of these boots.
I was hoping to wear these boots in a match but we had to cancel our April 7th and April 14th matches due to lousy weather. I'm optimistic that these boots will be good to wear in a match.
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I'm New Mexico ranch raised and still ranching. Cowboys tucking their pants into their high topped boots in these parts has always been common and I remember as a kid seeing old timers with their pants tucked in at the monthly Dunlap dances and the yearly Ice Cream Social. I have also seen World Champion Steer Roper Sonny Davis dragging calves in a branding pen wearing lace up army boots. I also remember one of those old timers always wore a set of OK spurs set above his 2 1/2 - 3" way underslung heels. He was at least 6' 6" tall and mostly leg and I wouldn't be surprised if his tops weren't close to 22 - 24" tall.
Another neighboring rancher (who was born in the 1880s) told me that he use to wear boots with tops so tall that he had to take them off before he could take down his pants to relieve himself. ;)
It has been my experience that tucking your pants in while in brush country (whether you wear leggins / chaps or not) is a sure fire way of filling up your boots with sticks and cedar berries.
I'd say that the general rule here is, if they are low tops (12"), pants are on the outside. If they are tall-tops, pants are tucked in.
There are no trees here and I have chicken legs and as a consequence, I tuck mine in for a little bit more padding, so that the tops of the boots don't rub holes in me when I ride.
Billy
Edited to add... I ran across these pictures on the Internet some where, some time in the past and because they are early pictures and the 1st guy has full scallops, I put them in my file. The boots are still square toed and I'm not sure when people started wearing round toed boots. I don't really think this fellow paid for full scalloped boots to muck out stalls. Its style.
And for those wondering about exotic leathers, check out this guy's pants.
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1961MJS
My Dad (who was a Texan, Cpt. Dan) taught me to take the pants leg, at the bottom of the lower seam, in the middle of the ankle and pull it out until you have a fold running from there to the middle of your knee. Then fold that over to the outside of your leg, hold it and pull on your boot. That way you have narrowed up the pant leg and have no wad of pants leg between you, the boot and the saddle fender. If the pants are too long, make as much cuff as you need first or they will wind up baggy above the knee and wrinkles might eat on you before you get out of the saddle. There is nothing wrong with using talcum powder liberally. And I've seen guys pull their (long) socks up over the folded pants leg to hold the pantlegs in place. And, I have shortened long pants by just whacking them off with a knife or scissors, because who is to know? Your pants are tucked in every day.
I use to order Paul Bonds and the measurement around the calf would include the folded pants leg.
I wear Wally Mart long cotton tube socks and the newer, the better. (our gyp water tends to harden socks) Again, for padding.
But after reading and writing all of this, I think Johnny McCrae has the best idea if you are shooting. :)
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Hi
I ended up with a pair of high tops from Farm and Ranch in Nebraska, and a pair of high topped cavalry boots from Missouri boot and shoe. I love custom boots. I ordered a 12 inch pair for everyday wear with Rubber soles.
Later
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Nice choices!
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Say, Yeso Bill, are you talking about the Dunlap that used to be about halfway between Fort Sumner and Roswell?
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Hi Bill,
Yes. They closed the school down in the spring of 1957 and I started school in the Fall of 1957 so I can't say that I attended a one roomed school. :( Almost I guess.
I live about 15 miles west of Dunlap and stopped there on a trip to Ft. Sumner a few months ago. The roof has ruined and fell in, ruining the old hardwood floor and the south wall is badly damaged. (Adobe building) So, the old building will soon be another mound on the prairie. Dust to dust....
A neighbor acquired the property and tried to maintain it for use as a ranch community center. Which it always has been. But he couldn't compete with the vandals driving up and down the hi-ways. And the older generation is gone and there are mighty few in the area that are my generation. In fact, there are mighty few in the whole area. A shame but that is the way it is.... :(
Billy
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Hi
Rather than start a new thread, I'll just jump on the back of the wagon here.
I plan on ordering a pair of boots from Missouri boot and shoe. I've worn brogans a little, and I wear cowboy boots a lot, but I've NEVER put the pants leg down the boots like they did back in the day. How much do I need to add on the boot width? Do I need to order pants that are thinner in the leg at the bottom?
I also need to work out what socks to wear with the boots. What brand socks actually stay up?
Thanks
My Dad being a Montana Cowboy born in 1914 claimed only Texans and Roy Rogers stuffed their pants in their boots. Just say'n
Mike
Norman OK
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How about a pair of moccasins instead of boots?Perfectly legal!
Except Classic Cowboy & B-Western.
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I've mentioned this before, but since we're talking boots here, it bears repeating. If you get a pair of boots with Cuban or riding heels, well, they ain't made for walking. After wearing Buffalo Runners with a walking heel for a long time, I got Texas Jacks (Mexico) boots with the tall heel. They do look good, but killed my feet. You can't just replace the heel with a short walking heel because there is a steel shank in the sole and your toes would be pointing up. I got a couple of recommendations saying that removing 1/4" would help a lot. Doesn't seem like it would but what the heck. The boot shop guy agreed, so I had him do it. Well, it made a world of difference. I can wear them all day. I got another similar pair of boots that I keep for banquets and such, and the first thing I did was shorten the heel.
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NECROMANCY!! RUN FER YER LIVES!! NECROMANCY - again ::)
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It might have been out of fashion after 1914 for a clean cut cowboy but when you look at true 19th century photos of working cowboys, wearing pants inside the boots was the norm and it actually still is today if you go to a farm or ranch where people are actually working.
It only makes sense just as we wear our pants inside our rubber muck boots or even our leather work boots today when working in the mud or around livestock. Mud and manure wash off of boots easier than out of pants and cowboys of that time were wearing those same pants for weeks or months at a time. Plus thorns and sticker bushes don't snag leather boots like they do pants.
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It might have been out of fashion after 1914 for a clean cut cowboy but when you look at true 19th century photos of working cowboys, wearing pants inside the boots was the norm and it actually still is today if you go to a farm or ranch where people are actually working.
It only makes sense just as we wear our pants inside our rubber muck boots or even our leather work boots today when working in the mud or around livestock. Mud and manure wash off of boots easier than out of pants and cowboys of that time were wearing those same pants for weeks or months at a time. Plus thorns and sticker bushes don't snag leather boots like they do pants.
Hmmm, my born in 1914 Montana Cowboy/Farmer father claimed only Roy Rogers and Texans stuffed their pants in their boots. On the outside keep stuff from getting into the boots. If mucking the muddy shitty stable pull pants up and stick on the notched top so they don't fall down and get dirty