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Title: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Scout53 on December 31, 2010, 08:00:59 AM
I am thinking about making a holster and belt in a late 1800's "Western" pattern but I am not sure what patterns are considered authentic. Are the Tandy gun belt and holster patterns authentic? If not do you have any suggestions?
This will be my first attempt at this and I think that having a pattern will be very helpful.
I would like to make a typical  cross draw holster for a single action, nothing fancy a plain "working" rig.
I appreciate your help.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: buckskin billy on December 31, 2010, 08:23:21 AM
many of us use will ghormley's patterns . his patterns supllies patterns for many different old west guns and in strong side or cross draw  as well as carving patterns and the tools needed to complete the job.

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/OWC.html

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/OWC2.html

hope this helps
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on December 31, 2010, 09:03:17 AM
many of us use will ghormley's patterns . his patterns supllies patterns for many different old west guns and in strong side or cross draw  as well as carving patterns and the tools needed to complete the job.

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/OWC.html

http://www.willghormley-maker.com/OWC2.html

hope this helps

This is the route I am taking.  I have gathered a few tools like mallet, swivel knife and a half dozen stamps and been practicing, practicing and then practicing some more.  In another week I will be picking up some leather to make my first holster, considering how well I am doing, I will pick up enough for three holsters so I end up with one.  I have 3 of Will Ghormley's pattern packs and even I can understand them and recognize their quality.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on December 31, 2010, 09:10:51 AM
Howdy Scout53

    Welcome to our forum pard, buckskin billy and "TwoWalks" Baldridge pointed you in the right direction for period gun leather, Will Ghormley has helped all of us get started, his patterns are first class, and easy to understand, so you can't go wrong with any of them, and he has a wide variety of choices. this is a great place to ask questions and get a number of good answers, so make yourself at home, and be sure to post a picture of your holster when finished.

                    Regards

                 tEN wOLVES  :D ;D

                          
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on December 31, 2010, 10:39:10 AM
Yes Tandy has had some original style patterns offered through the years, often mixed in with later versions.  My favorite were two sets offered many years back based on the Slim Jim pattern on one and the second was a skirted style based on the early version Mexican Loops that still retained a lot of the looks of a Slim Jim.  Through the years they offered them as reprints several times but I have not noticed them recently, perhaps because I haven't been watching???  I am a double thumbs up fan of the Ghormley pattern sets and he well covers many of the many early variations.  I do occasionally see the used Tandy patterns mentioned offered on EBay.  If I can be of further help, let me know. 
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Marshal Will Wingam on December 31, 2010, 07:38:09 PM
Welcome to the forum, Scout 53. The pards here have steered you right. Will has some very authentic patterns. Like Bob, I've found authentic patterns from Tandy in past years. I don't know what they offer now but if you see something that you may be interested in, post a link here and let the forum members take a look. They'll be honest with you and offer great feedback.

Looking forward to seeing and hearing about your first rig. We all had first ones and it's really great to see someone else get addicted started. :D
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: buckskin billy on December 31, 2010, 10:02:09 PM
i have noticed in the past tandy sells will's pattern sets. the old west collections is will's
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Cliff Fendley on January 03, 2011, 06:17:47 PM
You can buy some of Will Gormley's at Tandy because I've seen them there.

Some of Will's I've seen made are authentic looking but I've not been able to find any that are truly like a lot of the old holsters I see at shows and like you see in "Packing Iron".

You likely will have to make your own if there is a certain holster you want.

F. A. Meanea's work of the 1880,s is my favorite of the old west saddlers. Maybe someone makes those patterns that I haven't seen but I measured, made, altered, made another, took them and compared to originals in collections at gun shows, altered, and so on until I've got two FA Meanea patterns that are about as absolutely as close as you can get them to some of the originals.  I have made some on purpose alterations such as a little wide where it folds over the belt for stability and a little more roomy to allow my stitching to be a little farther in from the edge. The originals have such close stitching close to the edge that I'm afraid it wouldn't hold up to Cowboy action shooting.

Once you have a couple patterns that you know works it's not hard at all to make a new one by looking at a picture. You know to keep it about the same size as the one you got for fit and make the alterations from there.

I've thought about offering some patterns for sale but don't know how to go about it or whether there would be enough interest. 
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Dalton Masterson on January 03, 2011, 08:29:47 PM
Welcome Scout 53!
The current Tandy kits are not authentic, but some of the pattern packs are pretty good. I like Will's, as mentioned before. With his patterns, you can alter to suit your needs pretty easily, or just build right off the pattern.

Cliff,
I think there is definately interest. It seems to me that leatherworking is growing in popularity again. I dont know if SASS/CAS is doing it, or the economy, or just a new found desire to build something, but there are lots of people at least trying to make their own stuff. Make patterns, they will come....
DM

Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Trailrider on January 03, 2011, 10:40:58 PM
As an alternative, and to get close to original holsters, take a look at holsters in the book, "Packing Iron".  This won't provide you with the actual patterns, but you can get close by using heavy craft paper, wrapping it around your favorite gun, and then stapling the seam.  Trim the edges just outside the staple line and then remove the staples, flatten the paper out and glue it to mat board.  Leave a little extra room as leather is thicker than paper.  It may take a try or two, but once you have the pattern you can keep it and reuse it whenever...
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: buckskin billy on January 03, 2011, 10:42:13 PM

Cliff,
I think there is definately interest. It seems to me that leatherworking is growing in popularity again. I dont know if SASS/CAS is doing it, or the economy, or just a new found desire to build something, but there are lots of people at least trying to make their own stuff. Make patterns, they will come....
DM


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i'm with dalton, we need more pattern makers
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: GunClick Rick on January 03, 2011, 11:42:02 PM
Now here is a pattern you all will like.Notice the bueatiful skrting and attention to detail.From the original KT Ranch made by the orginal leather artist KT Morin 18?? ;D

(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/patternholster001.jpg)

 (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/patternholster004.jpg)
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Scout53 on January 04, 2011, 04:59:00 AM
Thank you all for your replies to my questions.
Tandy does carry Will Ghomley patterns. They are sold under a "title" of Old West Collection. There are several different pattern types in the holster category and 1 for "gun belts".
I am thinking of making a belt first and then progressing on to making holsters.
I suppose that the patterns will give some information about what weight of leather to use for a "lined" or "unlined" belts and holsters. Is this correct? I do have some supplies needed like needles and linen thread in heavy and light weight. I need to make a new awl but I should have the making's to get that completed without a problem.
Again, thank you for your help.
                                                                                                                             Scout53
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: outrider on January 04, 2011, 07:05:21 AM
Scout,

irst of all welcome to the forum.  If you are interested in the pattern packs from Will Ghormley it would probably be best if you bought them directly from him.  Tandy has discontinued alot of his pattern packs and there are a few new ones that Tandy has never handled.  check out his website at ......... willghormley-maker.com
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Cliff Fendley on January 04, 2011, 07:47:28 AM
I see Will Gormley has a Cheyenne pattern pack that look pretty authentic. I'd like to compare them to what I've come up with comparing to originals.

I noticed on his cartridge belts he has that extra loop for the main part of the belt to slide in. Did any of the 19th century ones have that because I haven't seen them on any? I thought that first turned up on Hollywood rigs.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: will ghormley on January 07, 2011, 05:22:54 PM
Hey Cliff,

I have never found a belt keeper on a belt dated before 1904.  That doesn't mean they weren't made, just that I've never seen a photo or sample of one.  They were probably the exception rather than the rule.  However, in saddles, I've seen the most uncomfortable saddles are the ones that didn't get used to death.  So, in the case of saddles, the poorly made ones were the ones to survive in larger numbers, because they weren't ridden to pieces like the good ones.

In many of the old photos, you will see the belt hangs at an odd angle at the buckle, sometimes with the end of the belt hangin' down.  Since I got my start in the leather business makin' belts for modern shooters, and they didn't like their belts hangin' down, that's what I mostly made for 'em.  When I started makin' patterns, I just made what folks want.  If you wanted to best represent what was common in the old west, leave off the keeper and let the belt hang at an odd angle.

All of my patterns are authentic.  You may not want to reproduce the gear they represent, but that has nothin' to do with authenticity.  There were other ways of makin' the same thing.  I just didn't make patterns for 'em that way.

The great thing about a pattern is, you can use it as a startin' point and make it your own by addin' or takin' away aspects of it.  I rarely use my own patterns when I'm makin' somethin' for me.  I copy something specific I've seen in a museum or in a book.  But, a guy can't make a livin' makin' 457 different patterns.  It takes me over a month to put together a pattern pack.  It takes me years to earn that money back in sales.  They only solution is to make a basic set of patterns and let folks modify 'em to suit themselves. 
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on January 07, 2011, 06:01:03 PM
Howdy Will

       With the keeper thing, I remember seeing old westerns where they used what looked to be authentic holsters and gun belts, the type before Hollywood did there thing on design, and with most all those old holsters and gun belts they seemed to lack the simple details that would have made there rigs much better in design, I know I know we try to copy the old as close as we can, but the lack of a keeper on the main body of the belt was bad design, in my book anyway, the keeper helps to stabilize both chaff and billet side as they are joined together making the Ranger style belt solid and comfortable to wear, some of those rigs looked pretty loose and sloppy on, and they couldn't have been fun to wear, but as you said there aren't many to see of the old gun belts left to look at that had keepers, it could be that the keepers on a lot of these old belts just got wore out and feel off, heck I've had that happen to some of my old belts, and trying to wear a belt without a keeper doesn't work for me, especially when it is such an easy fix. I just want you to know I really appreciate all your pattern packs, and own most of them, you have done us all a great service my making them, it was a big help for me when getting started and I still refer to your patterns even today, so thanks for adding the keeper pard, and like you say, once you have the basics, you can go and do your own thing, which a lot of us have done.






             tEN wOLVES  ;D
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Cliff Fendley on January 08, 2011, 10:31:55 AM
Thanks for the info Will,

I never put the keeper on a belt unless someone asks for it as I've never seen a picture or one in the 19th century either. I don't notice my own belts hanging weird without it anyway once you position it.

I agree and said before, having patterns that you know works makes the process of making or modifying it much easier. Now that I have several of my own that I know work I can trace it and modify from there or at least use the size to make sure the new one I'm making will work the first go around. I spent a lot of time making my first patterns but just today a made up a new one for a special order in just a few minutes by combining features and sizes of three of my other patterns.

I would recommend anyone just starting to buy some patterns even if you don't plan to make that exact one. Just to make sure your sizing is right in the important areas can save you more in time and materials than the patterns will cost. I got lucky and never made a holster that didn't work but still could have saved myself a lot of time if I had some patterns to look at.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Scout53 on January 13, 2011, 05:56:12 PM
Thank you for all the advise and help. I know there will be more questions when I get started on this project and I believe that the answers will be found here if I just ask.
Thanks.
                                                                                                                            Scout53
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Branding Iron Bill on January 21, 2011, 03:46:19 AM
Here's a nice one

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/IMG_0671_Gro_e_E_Mail_Ansicht.jpg)

Finished product.  Not made by me, BTW

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/IMG_0674_Gro_e_E_Mail_Ansicht.jpg)

This is the original TR from the Gene Autry Museum.  A little more finess on the carving obviously.

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/Autry_2321.jpg)

One more.  Main and Winchester pattern.  Love these old patterns.

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/MainWinchesterholsterpattern.jpg)
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on January 21, 2011, 04:46:50 AM
Cliff, I'm with you on this. I've never seen a keeper on old belts and I never make them. It just depends if you're an authenticity nerd. I am......

Will's patterns are terrific and, as he says, you can adapt them to get that look you're after. For someone struggling with pattern making, they're the best resource I know of. The basic dimensions are all there.

But I guess it would be nice to see someone else come up with patterns. Chuck mentioned the possibility that he might, on his DVD.

Branding Iron, that's a pretty good Collins template. And that's the best close-up of the Roosevelt holster I've seen.

Skeet
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on January 21, 2011, 05:00:38 AM
Gotta love that double row of stitching on the seam and plug to hold the lining on the Roosevelt holster. Have pards ever seen that on other holsters?
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 21, 2011, 07:01:45 AM
Branding Iron Bill,

I love Maine and Wichester patterns ... here is one Will Ghormley made for me from an original Maine And Winchester pattern ... which I wear when portraying a mid-1850s Californio ...

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab107/WaddWatsonEllis/BlackPowderRigwith51Colt.jpg)

And while we are/were talking about adaptions of Will Ghormley patterns, I will put my 'modified' Will Ghromley patterned holsters on here as well ... I both lowered the loops so that the pistols ride lower and raised the outide of the 'bucket to give the holsters an 1880s look ... attached is a pic of how the holsters wwere supposed to look ....

(http://i854.photobucket.com/albums/ab107/WaddWatsonEllis/FinishedHolsterswithPistolsandDaveColeKnifeandSheath.jpg)



Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: outrider on January 21, 2011, 07:12:31 AM
Slowhand,

Was that Tandy pattern (slim jim) offered in the mid-70's?  I had one from the old Tandy Leather Co. that they called the "hogleg"  but I can't find the darn pattern...most likely lost during my move south.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on January 21, 2011, 08:30:23 AM
Ill try to dig those old patterns up when I get to the shop again.  Its possible that they came from the 70s but I was thinking earlier due to an old holster I made from them.  My memory is really bad now but there was a time in the late '60s to early '70s that I was really into the c&b revolvers and I thought this was when the holster was made.  Ill be back with this within a day or so. 
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Marshal Will Wingam on January 21, 2011, 02:53:28 PM
BIB, I love that TR holster, too. That's a very nice reproduction of it. Thanks for the pics.

WWE, you really did a great job on those. The drop is not all that noticeable and surely effective. Good work.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on January 21, 2011, 04:44:05 PM
I found these two different sets of patterns from the past.  It seems that Outrider has a much better memory than I as the pattern pack was Copyright-'84.  The second set was cut from an old MIWL magazine and has a Copyright-'76 but I can not find an issue number or date. 

The version that came as a pattern Pack had holster patterns for cap and ball guns from the little .32s up to the big Walker. It has patterns and instruction sheets for; a buscadero belt, two belt style powder flasks and a ball pouch.  As I mentioned before, these have gone in and out of print several times through the years.  It seems the envelope is now missing and it would have had nicer color photos of everything.

The second set of patterns, from the magazine, had one holster that was styled three different ways, a buscadero belt, a powder flask pouch and a ball pouch.  These also have simple  floral patterns to use on the various pieces.  Im not sure who has the commercial rights to these now but a check with George Hurst or Tandy might get a few of them reprinted now that SASS has somewhat revived the old cap and ball guns??
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: outrider on January 22, 2011, 12:52:29 PM
Slowhand,

Seems to me that the pattern I was seeking had the powder flask pttern in it..because I made one of the flask holders years back.  Problem now is that Tandy Leather Co., was bought out by the Leather Factory about ten years ago...so getting them to reprint these pattern packs would probably not happen.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Branding Iron Bill on January 22, 2011, 03:16:19 PM
Rifle sleeves.  None of these are made by me.

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/Kopie_vonIMG_0223.jpg)

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/Kopie_vonIMG_0231.jpg)

And another one

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/IMG_0230_840X629.jpg)

One more

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/Kopie_vonIMG_0232.jpg)
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Branding Iron Bill on January 22, 2011, 03:23:52 PM
Here's some Collins dove wings.  Again, not made by me.  These old patterns are very inspiring

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/Collins.jpg)
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: outrider on January 22, 2011, 05:53:11 PM
Very nice patterns...especially the rifle scabbard.

Speaking of patterns...I got an order today for a flap holster for a Civil War LeMat revolver...will let you know how it turns out...have to make the pattern first
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on January 22, 2011, 06:01:24 PM
Beautiful work, BIB, whoever made it. Those scabbards are terrific, both the original and the remake. Do you have more information on them?

Interesting to see the similarity of design between the Collins dove wings and the Roosevelt holster. Either the same artisan or else there was a Collins design book.

Skeet
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Branding Iron Bill on January 22, 2011, 10:54:19 PM
I have no info on any of them.  They have all been lifted from other forums, most of them from http://leatherworker.net/content/  I have a few others, but those are the cream of the crop.  I too have wondered about a Collins design book.  If there's any around, I'm sure they are worth a small fortune.

 
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Dalton Masterson on January 23, 2011, 10:21:39 AM
Outrider, I have the one with the flask holder, and the ball pouch.
Its called "Hog-Leg Holsters Pattern Pack". Its catalog number 2692 and was from Tandy in 1976.
Its got a Mexican single loop that looks a lot like the Cabela's offerings in the blackpowder section of their catalog. It has a nice flapped holster pattern in it as well, along with a ball pouch, and a flask carrier.

The copyright says "The Leathercraftsman, 1976". Makes me wonder if it wasnt a pattern in the magazine that they put into an envelope.

DM
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on January 24, 2011, 08:07:08 AM
DM, I am unable to find the pattern numbers on either set and figure it was on the envelope for the really nice patterns copy righted in the '80s but alas I no longer have the envelope.  These patterns are really nice looking styles but on two or three are actually accurate to the period.  Though the lines are very reminiscent of early Slim Jims they changed the mout to be a more modern fully exposed trigger guard style on most of them.  Still looks cowboy and I like them but definitely not something you will see in Packing Iron.   

As you can see in this scan, a pack was offered for the one that appeared in the old magazine but this patterns holster appears to be done up in three different styles from one basic design.

 
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Dalton Masterson on January 24, 2011, 08:17:36 AM
Slowhand,
Thats the same pictures on the pack I have, except I also have the flask holder and ball pouch pictures on the back. It also looks like the same furry guy in a different pose than what you posted earlier. My pack doesnt include Walker patterns or anything other than the normal 51, 60, Rem58 generic size patterns.
DM
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on January 24, 2011, 09:52:49 AM
The other set is much much larger and actually includes several instruction booklets on project creation.  Another item of interest that does not follow the topic heading is the fact that the belts included with both pattern sets is for buscadero belts and I am sure that someone on this forum told us years ago that the belt mounted black powder flask pouches were never actually there.  Kinda like ruff out holsters, if they were not, they sure look like they shoulda been!
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Wild Billy Potts on January 24, 2011, 03:52:47 PM
The other set is much much larger and actually includes several instruction booklets on project creation.  Another item of interest that does not follow the topic heading is the fact that the belts included with both pattern sets is for buscadero belts and I am sure that someone on this forum told us years ago that the belt mounted black powder flask pouches were never actually there.  Kinda like ruff out holsters, if they were not, they sure look like they shoulda been!

Ready rolled cartridges were commonly available and easier to carry. Therefore loose powder, balls and caps would be carried in baggage or packs.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: ChuckBurrows on January 24, 2011, 05:32:42 PM
Interesting to see the similarity of design between the Collins dove wings and the Roosevelt holster. Either the same artisan or else there was a Collins design book.

Skeet

J & S Collins built all of TR's leather goods that are so often seen today: holster, saddle, and spur straps.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on January 25, 2011, 06:10:26 PM
I was looking over some of the patterns in one pack and was intrigued by one and decided to ruff one out to see what the pattern would do.  The leather is some of the old dry 10oz leather I have on hand with a small piece of 8-9oz used for the belt loop.  The first picture is of the commercial pattern and the rest show the unfinished holster, please forgive my poor camera skills. Note that the one gun that rides as a cut away trigger guard is a '51 Navy with a 5 1/2" barl.  A second post will show the back of the holster with a much smaller '49 Colt in place.

Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Slowhand Bob on January 25, 2011, 06:21:59 PM
I forgot to mention the fact that the pattern was altered slightly to be a Slim Jim.  The back of the holster is shown with the '51 and the second photo shows the same holster with a '49 in place.  For information the Ruger SS rides just like the '51 Colt while the Bearcat fits just like the '49.  The leather is a bit heavy for the smaller guns.  I like it enough that I will make a left hand match for it and finish them out to be Little Buckaroo loaners. 

Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: outrider on January 27, 2011, 06:22:22 PM
Slowhand,

I just picked up a western gunbelt and holster pattern (Tandycraft #PH-4) and two Tandy catalogs 1951 and 1952.  the PH-4 pattern is in the 1951 catalog for a price of $0.35.  Found them on Ebay.  The catalogs are kind of sparse compared to today's offerings.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Branding Iron Bill on February 21, 2011, 03:02:02 PM
Not made by me, but here's some floral carving that caught my eye.  It's from Julia's latest catalog.  It's simple, uncomplicated, yet beautiful.  I think it's called 'Porter style'.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

(http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll394/bib44wcf/JULIA.jpg)

God Bless
Patrick
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Don101 on March 10, 2013, 09:59:38 AM
chuckel the scabards and Patterns Roosevelt Holster and Patterns and spur straps are made by me  ;)
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on January 16, 2018, 11:30:19 AM
I'm trying to download an image of a pattern for a Meanea scabbard that's on this page but darned if I can do it. It goes to photobucket and I can't take it past there. Any help appreciated. (It's from Branding Iron Bill)
Skeet
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on January 16, 2018, 07:50:44 PM
Skeeter, send him a PM, maybe he can help you direct...

tEN wOLVES  ;D
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on January 17, 2018, 09:28:32 AM
I've PMd him, though his last post was seven years ago. Looks as though he's no longer involved.
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on January 17, 2018, 09:02:56 PM
Sorry to hear that, I wish I could help you with this, maybe someone will shime in..


tEN wOLVES  ???
Title: Re: Authentic Patterns for belts and holster.
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on January 18, 2018, 12:22:46 PM
Glad to say Bill replied and told me about screen capture...it worked.