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Title: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Arapaho Kid on January 22, 2005, 12:08:38 PM
Let's get a sort of poll going here on your favorite Western.  I personally lean toward the comedy westerns. " How the West was Fun".  Among them are:  "Evil Roy Slade",  "Rustlers Rhapsody", "The Hallelujah Trail", "The Cheyenne Social Club", "Support Your Local Gunfighter", "Support your Local Sheriff"and "Waterhole #3".  I never saw a John Wayne movie I didn't like.  I have to be honest.  I didn't care all that much about the Clint Eastwood Speghetti Westerns.  They was somewhat close to reality, but they just didn't grab me like other Westerns have done.  Of course, the old Roy, Gene and Hoppy classics have always been favorites.  I grew up with those! 

So lets have it here!  What is/was your favorite Western?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western? FM, RIO DEL RIO
Post by: RIO DEL RIO on January 22, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
McLINTOCK, CAT BALLOU, CONAGHER, BITE THE BULLET, FOR GOOD FUN NOTHIN BEATS TRINITY IS MY NAME. DEATH RIDES A HORSE,FALSE COLORS.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ T Chambers on January 22, 2005, 04:23:20 PM
Not sure! ??? ???   Gonna hafta think on this awhile.  :) :)  So many Westerns so little time!   ;D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Arapaho Kid on January 22, 2005, 06:51:13 PM
Another sort of stylized Western that I like is "Red Garters" starring Rosie Clooney, Jack Carson and Guy Mitchell.  It's a kind of Western Comedy/Musical.  In that one they are always talking about "The Code of The West" and when that is said....all hats come off. 

Then, of course, there's the two Bob Hope Classics:  "Paleface" and "Son of Paleface".  Those are hilarious!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on January 23, 2005, 03:37:19 AM
As for Western Comedies, "Blazing Saddles" has to considered.   "The Searchers" with John Wayne has to be best of the Classics.   The new Westerns with Tom Selleck, Open Range, and the Lonesome Dove movies are good also.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Bear Rider on January 23, 2005, 01:56:42 PM
That's easy!  The next one that I find in the Wally World Bargain Bin, of course.  ;D

I just picked up Tom Selleck's Monte Walsh yesterday.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 23, 2005, 06:34:03 PM
 ::) ::) ::)
Do you have to ask????

... I don't know why you didin't list the Trinity movies.  Maybe an oversight.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 23, 2005, 06:35:27 PM
That's easy!  The next one that I find in the Wally World Bargain Bin, of course.  ;D

I just picked up Tom Selleck's Monte Walsh yesterday.

Say, Bear Rider, Did you really find Monte Walsh in the bargain bin for $5.55???
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: FloraBama Kid on January 29, 2005, 08:48:38 PM
This is a very tough decision to pick only one  :o So here are some at the top of the list:

The Searchers
The Good, Bad & Ugly
Once Upon a Time in the West
Tombstone (Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday)
Quick and the Dead (only cau Sharon Stone is the "Most Hansom" of em all...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 30, 2005, 12:25:15 AM
...
Quick and the Dead (only cau Sharon Stone is the "Most Hansom" of em all...


That version of The Quick and the Dead is not a valid western in my eyes...  Try Sam Elliots HBO rendition of the Lous Lamour book.  Its much better!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Qball on January 30, 2005, 01:18:26 AM
That's easy!  The next one that I find in the Wally World Bargain Bin, of course.  ;D

I just picked up Tom Selleck's Monte Walsh yesterday.

Say, Bear Rider, Did you really find Monte Walsh in the bargain bin for $5.55???

I found 4 John Wayne movies for $1.50 each in a swedish store :o And it was on DVD :o :o
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ T Chambers on January 30, 2005, 09:57:42 AM
Okay, after lettin’ it ferment for awhile, they all  are John Wayne, and the first two are almost remakes of each other, and the second has many of the say scenarios:

El Dorado
Rio Bravo
Rio Lobo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RIO DEL RIO on January 30, 2005, 01:05:35 PM
Put in my Two-Cents worth earlier but got a message that someone else was puttin in theirs.  Here I go agin':
I love westerns of all type.  Even the really bad ones have some redeeming value.  They really make you appreciate a good one.  I found a good deal on DVD's.  www.tvnow.com has 50 old westerns on 12 DVD's for $28.00 plus $4.00 s/h.  I have viewed about half of them and they are of great quality.  The site has a list of the movies and stars of same.  Hope everyone's snow and ice melts.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Arapaho Kid on January 31, 2005, 12:24:08 PM
Put in my Two-Cents worth earlier but got a message that someone else was puttin in theirs.  Here I go agin':
I love westerns of all type.  Even the really bad ones have some redeeming value.  They really make you appreciate a good one.  I found a good deal on DVD's.  www.tvnow.com has 50 old westerns on 12 DVD's for $28.00 plus $4.00 s/h.  I have viewed about half of them and they are of great quality.  The site has a list of the movies and stars of same.  Hope everyone's snow and ice melts.

Tried to get that site up 4 times and it wouldn't come up.  Had to send 4 error reports to MSN.,  Oh well!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 31, 2005, 07:29:52 PM

Tried to get that site up 4 times and it wouldn't come up.  Had to send 4 error reports to MSN.,  Oh well!

I never got it to work either.   ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Second Creek Sam on February 01, 2005, 02:32:15 PM
...
Quick and the Dead (only cau Sharon Stone is the "Most Hansom" of em all...


That version of The Quick and the Dead is not a valid western in my eyes...  Try Sam Elliots HBO rendition of the Lous Lamour book.  Its much better!

Well said, Trinity!


Favorite Western...hmmm


Lonesome Dove would have to be top pick
Any John Wayne movie, but particularly, She Wore A yellow Ribbon
Shane
Tombstone
Wyatt Earp
both Monte Walsh movies

Compiling a list of favorite Westerns...This could take a while ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: tarheel mac on February 02, 2005, 09:02:14 AM
  You know, I've been watching this thread since it started it, and still can't make up my mind...I am surprised that no one has mentioned The Duke's last movie "The Shootist" though..great movie in my opinion, and one of the few films that was actually an improvment over the book. 


And as for "The Quick and The Dead"...<sigh> well....I've seen worse movies...even worse movies with Sharon Stone, but not a worse Western...Well with one exception.."The Shakiest Gun in West" with Don Knotts...that one was a real stinker...with the only redeming factor being a young and sexy Barbara Rhodes...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Second Creek Sam on February 02, 2005, 02:26:53 PM
  You know, I've been watching this thread since it started it, and still can't make up my mind...I am surprised that no one has mentioned The Duke's last movie "The Shootist" though..great movie in my opinion, and one of the few films that was actually an improvment over the book. 


Tarheel Mac,

You're right that The Shootist is an excellent film, but knowing that the Duke was really dying from cancer; and that it was his last film, makes it way too sad of a movie for me to watch often. :(

Speaking of great Duke films, how about The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence?  John Wayne was great in that one as the cowboy who sacrificed everything for the love of Vera Miles' character, "Halle".

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on February 02, 2005, 08:35:55 PM
...
Favorite Western...hmmm


Lonesome Dove would have to be top pick
Any John Wayne movie, but particularly, She Wore A yellow Ribbon
Shane
Tombstone
Wyatt Earp
both Monte Walsh movies

Compiling a list of favorite Westerns...This could take a while ;D

I just watched Lonesome Dove this weekend... from start to finish in one sitting (well, there was some getting up and moving around, but the movie didn't stop  ;D ;D ) 

The others are also great.  In particular, I love the Tom Seleck Monte Walsh and am dying to see the Lee Marvin version!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Danny Bear Claw on February 03, 2005, 02:39:19 PM
I like all the John Wayne westerns that were made in color.  For favorites, I have 2:  "Wild Bill" and "The Long Riders".  Wild Bill with Jeff Bridges was the best of all the movies made about my personal favorite western character, although, like most westerns it does stray from the facts a bit.  (Read the books by Joseph Rosa).
The Long Riders, though it has lots of firearms inaccuracies in it, is good because they cast all the brothers to play the parts of all them brothers.  Real good action sequences too.  Another favorite of mine is Geronimo even though it too, strays from the historical facts a bit.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Scattered Thumbs on February 04, 2005, 11:18:30 AM
"Unforgiven" Is one of my favorites and "Open Range" too.
True, I also like John Wayne. But we need newer Westerns.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Second Creek Sam on February 04, 2005, 05:32:51 PM
Conagher with Sam Elliot is also a favorite of mine.  My wife loves it, too.

We've abouut worn out our VHS copy of it.  I'd like to have it on DVD.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on February 04, 2005, 09:56:33 PM
"Unforgiven" Is one of my favorites and "Open Range" too.
True, I also like John Wayne. But we need newer Westerns.

Here Here!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: tarheel mac on February 05, 2005, 06:51:58 AM
I really gotta agree with Trinty and Scattered Thumbs..more westerns need to be made!!!  I can't figure out what the problem is with the "Powers that be" film making wise...Are they so sure that the Western is a dead horse these days?  It can't be budget...I mean look at how much it cost to make "The Titanic" and other movies since...One problem I guess, is that there is not a western "star" coming up...Sam Elliot and Tom Selleck are both getting a bit old...(although that didn't stop The Duke") so who do we have coming up to replace them?  Anybody?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Pukin Dog on February 09, 2005, 09:10:14 PM
1. Unforgiven
2. Tombstone
3. Outlaw Josey Wales
4. The Shootist
5. The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: litl rooster on February 28, 2005, 03:24:58 PM
 Lonesome Dove
 Tombstone KIlmer,Russell and Elliott
 the Cowboys
the Shootist (by far the 2 best Wayne Movies)
 any other Western with Ben Johnson (the greatest horsemen in Hollywood)
 and any other Western where Robert Duvall dies, (Geronimo  True Grit Lonesome Dove)
Open Range
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sagebrush Burns on March 06, 2005, 01:41:54 PM
Coupl'a very excellent flicks left out of this discussion so far.  The Professionals and The Magnificent Seven.  What's wit yu folks any way?  Probably the best of them all is The Searchers w/John Wayne.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ghost Rider on March 17, 2005, 10:48:21 AM
Gotta be Chisum! I also like Ben Johnson in anything. Best supporting western actor. After visiting Lincoln county NM you understand why they would fight for control of the county. Val Kilmer as Doc has got to be one of the best acting jobs any western ever saw. And finally Gene Hackmans arrogants in The Quick and the Deadwas also Great!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Four-Eyed Buck on March 17, 2005, 10:22:23 PM
Toss up between Tombstone and Quigly as far as theatrical movies go. Made for TV would be Crossfire Trail..........Buck 8) ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Vin Weasel on March 21, 2005, 05:39:32 PM
My vote is for The Magnificent Seven.  It's my favorite movie, period.  Course anything with the Duke in it is worth mentioning.  Wish there was another star coming up to join those ranks and really put the western out front again. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: thehairlessone on April 03, 2005, 07:17:29 AM
Here are my favorites but not in any order:

Young Guns
Young Guns II
Outlaw Josey Wales
The Shootist
The Unforiven and can't forget
Pale Rider

Just about anything with Clint Eastwood

Rick
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cherokee Jem on April 15, 2005, 07:16:43 AM
Ahhhhh I love westerns! Me and my friend Ari waited weeks for Open Range!!! My list is here:

Crossfire Trail
She wore a Yellow Ribbon
The Unforgiven
Monte Walsh
The Cowboys
The two Rooster Cogburn movies
anything else John Wayne

Jem
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Haftowaite on April 24, 2005, 10:47:57 PM
Humm this one s tough...

Crossfire Trail
Quigly down Under
The Sackets, Has both Selleck and Sam Elliot!)
As does teh Shadow Riders.
The Quick and the Dead Sam Elliot verson.
I tend to like the accuracy in costume and rigs that Selleck has.
Silverado was fun.
Blazing Saddles was also great.

Question is Conager with Sam Elliot avaible on DVD?
if so where can I get it.
I want it!
Love L'Amour wwesterns!

Will
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on April 25, 2005, 07:03:19 PM
Humm this one s tough...

Crossfire Trail
Quigly down Under
The Sackets, Has both Selleck and Sam Elliot!)
As does teh Shadow Riders.
The Quick and the Dead Sam Elliot verson.
I tend to like the accuracy in costume and rigs that Selleck has.
Silverado was fun.
Blazing Saddles was also great.

Question is Conager with Sam Elliot avaible on DVD?
if so where can I get it.
I want it!
Love L'Amour wwesterns!

Will

Will, According to Amazon.com, the DVD is due to release on May 17.  You can pre order by following the following link:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007OY2NA/qid=1114473309/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-8818007-0028704?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

Enjoy!
 ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Griff on April 26, 2005, 08:17:22 PM
Have to think awhile.  For comedic western, I like Blazing Saddles, & Silverado.  For more serious fare:  Quigly, The Unforgiven, The Sackets, Shadow Riders, Quick & Dead w/S. Elliot, Monty Walsh, The Cowboys, The Shootist, and others too numerous to list; or is it cause I can't remember the titles.....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Haftowaite on April 26, 2005, 10:28:40 PM
Thanks a Bunch Trinity.
Always liked the book, and Sam Elliot would be great in the role.
Time to go watch Quigly and Crossfire Trail again...
:)

Will
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Foothills Drifter on April 30, 2005, 11:54:06 AM
Howdy......
Well...here goes:
Pale Rider
High Plains Drifter
Unforgiven
Tombstone
The Cowboys
The Quick and the Dead (Sam Elliot)

Good shootin......
Vern... 8)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on May 01, 2005, 09:58:52 AM
For anyone that might be interested,  "Tom Horn" will be out on DVD sometime near the end of May.  "The TrainRobbers" is due out on 5-3-05.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Warthog Zeke on May 01, 2005, 07:45:03 PM
The Searchers and The Cowboys.  Two westerns that were more real than most.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Laredo_Crockett on June 05, 2005, 07:15:50 PM
3:10 To Yuma  Glenn Ford
The Westerner Gary Cooper
Night Passage James Stewart  and Audie Murphy
High Noon Gary Cooper
Red River John Wayne
Shane Alan Ladd
Monte Walsh Lee Marvin and Tom Selleck
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance John Wayne
The Searchers
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Laredo_Crockett on June 05, 2005, 07:17:23 PM
Forgot to mention the Ox Bow Incident with Henery Fonda ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Bushwack Bill on June 22, 2005, 08:26:36 AM
"She Wore a Yellow Ribbon", "The Horse Soldiers", "The Buffalo Soldiers", "The Rough Riders", "Fort Apachee", "Big Jake", "Crossfire Trail", "Geronimo".
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Tommy tornado on June 26, 2005, 07:40:39 PM
So many like all of you have said. 

Overall winner Tombstone with the Wild Bunch a close second

My favorite Clint Eastwood movie Unforgiven

My favorite John Wayne movie Big Jake

My favorite Randolph Scott movie Ride the High Country

My favorite Jimmy Stewart western is Winchester 73

My favorite Henry Fonda western is a toss up between Warlock and Once apon a time in the west

My favorite Tom Selleck western is The Shadow Riders
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Brigid Tanner on December 28, 2005, 09:59:56 PM
I'm a little late to this party, sorry! Any John Wayne movie, but especially The Cowboys. Maybe cause the first time I saw it  (when it came out) I was the age of the boys in the movie. Also love The Shootist, but I cry every time I watch it.  Several people mentioned Shane as one of their favorites...but I hated the movie. I absolutely loved the book and had read it many times before I got to see the movie, back in the days before video tapes, and was so disappointed when I sat up late one night to watch it. I like Alan Ladd in other movies, but he was blond and I'd always seen Shane as dark haired, like the cover of the paperback I wore out...with a price of 45 cents on it...got it from a neighbor who knew I loved westerns  :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Bristow Kid on January 17, 2006, 09:20:15 PM
Well the list is too long to write here.
But any movie with John Wayne that includes his old B&W movies the ones when he was young
Any movie based on a Louis L'Amour book
Monte Walsh
Winchester '73
Outlaw Josey Wales
Clints spagetti westerns
Any movie with Tom Selleck or Sam Elliot or Jimmy Stewart

Good God I could go on for hours writing this list so I'll stop here.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt, Woodrow F. Call on January 18, 2006, 05:33:30 AM
There are so many good movies.

Tombstone.
Wyatt Earp
Quick and the dead
Silverado
Open Range

but my biggest favorites is Lonsome Dove, and Return To Lonesome Dove
B,R
Smokey lonesome.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Travis Palmetto on January 22, 2006, 09:11:38 PM
My favorites are:

Silverado
Magnificent Seven
Bad Girls
Young Guns
Wagons East
Blazing Saddles
Pale Rider
El Dorado

My favorite TV series is Young Riders.  Too bad they dont sell it on DVD :'(

Oddly enough, movie producers consider Once upon a time in Mexico and Desperado as "Westerns". ???
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: law dawg on January 22, 2006, 09:27:34 PM
I know it'll be considered heresy but I couldn't stand the duke's movies, Clint Eastwood and Tom Selleck have my votes.


Pale Rider
Outlaw Josie Wales
The Unforgiven
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Tombstone [Kilmer]
Lonesome Dove
Quigley
Magnificent Seven
Once Upon a Time
Winchester '73
Young Guns

Please let there be no lynchings!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Wes Virginian on January 25, 2006, 04:06:35 PM
"Stagecoach" & "The Shootest" w/John Wayne
Unforgiven
Quigley Down Under
Lonesome Dove
and comedy
Rustler's Raphsody
Little Big Man w/Dustin Hoffman
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 25, 2006, 07:49:14 PM
"Stagecoach" & "The Shootest" w/John Wayne
Unforgiven
Quigley Down Under
Lonesome Dove
and comedy
Rustler's Raphsody
Little Big Man w/Dustin Hoffman


I just watched Rustler's Rhapsody for the first time this weekend and thought it was hilarious! ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Silent Joe on January 27, 2006, 01:01:10 PM
My favorite Western Movie is "High Noon" with Cary Cooper. I've seen this movie in 1958 on TV and a couple of years back I've found it in a Music/Video shop. Next all the movies with Clint Eastwood, "Open Range"; Once Upon a Time and Texas Rangers.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Blondetta on January 31, 2006, 06:24:20 PM
Mc Clintock is my number one favorite, the Shootist, Quigley, Tombstone, The Quick & The Dead, crossfire Trail, too many to list after my favorite one...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Rattler on February 01, 2006, 07:33:13 AM
Movie: The Cowboys
Book: Log of a Cowboy by Andy Adams
           Great stuff............. :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Kid Gonzo on February 05, 2006, 07:47:19 PM
my favorites?!!!!

THE COWBOYS - John Wayne...phenomenal movie....absolute classic...PERIOD...End of discussion on this one!!!! Dont even argue with me on this one or I will shoot your testicles off!!!And if you dont get misty eyed when John Wayne dies in this movie, then your powder is too wet and you should just stay home and watch 'Desperate Houswives' with your woman.

EL DORADO - John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, James Caan
This is a "remake" ( or sorts) of one of John Wayne's older movies "Rio Bravo"...this is just a great basic western

I always quote the entire poem from El Dorado. It is actually Edgar Allen Poe who wrote it...here is a piece of the poem that "Mississippi" (James Caan) recites...

"When at last his strength, failed him at length, he came across a pilgrim shadow
Shadow, said he...where could it be, this land called El Dorado?
Over the mountains and the moon
Down the valley of the shadow
Ride, Boley ride, the shade replied
In search of El Dorado"


BIG JAKE  if anything happens at all. Anything. My fault, your fault, nobody's fault, I'm gonna blow your head off."

OUTLAW JOSEY WALES Of course....if you didnt mention this movie, then you just plain suck at picking westerns! LOL

TOM HORN with Steve McQueen.....should be on everyone's list!!!!

SILVERADO - I know, I know...not authentic and campy but I love it anyway...love the sound of those Henry Rifles in the movie

QUICK AND THE DEAD - The original, NOT the piece of crap with Sharon Stone in it...Kate Capshaw is one CURVACEOUS woman in this movie....OMG!!!!

THE SACKETTS!!!! back in the days of the old HBO westerns...classic with the same bunch of actors who paried up for The Shaodw Riders.

THE LONG RIDERS!!!  A lot of you younger guys probably have never heard of this one....this should rate close to the very top....dont watch it on tv...rent the DVD and see the entire movie...

OPEN RANGE with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall

LONESOME DOVE  a classic as well......

MY NAME IS NOBODY Terrence Hill and Henry Fonda...jsut plain spaghetti western fun.

LAST TRAIN TO GUNHILL Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn

IN PURSUIT OF HONOR with Don Johnson...retelling of a true story of U.S. Cavalry who, after being replaced by the new mechanized infantry, are ordered to take 400 cavalry remounts down to Mexico where they will be slaughtered since they are no longer needed. Johnson and others decide to save the horse and drive the herd north to Canada with the mechanized infantry giving chase...HBO movie...not bad....love the story

MAGNIFICENT SEVEN the original...not the sequel and certainly not the tv series....

THE SEARCHERS

THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER

You know, a lot of the modern 'westerns' just dont cut it for me much...I DO appreciate Tom Selleck trying hard to stay with authentic period guns and clothing and making decent westerns. Monty Walsh remake was great. He is a good horseman.

I used to love all the Spaghetti westerns......

Of course, to tell the truth, any John Wayne movie....

Anyone remember "Gunfight"....or was it "Gunfighter" ...with Johnny Cash?

I do like the old "Support Your Local Sherrif / Gunfighter" movies....almost all of Henry Fonda movies.....I loved all the light humor classic westerns of my youth....

Hey, does "Dances With Wolves" count?! How about "Windwalker" and "Winterhawk"? "The Mountain Men" or "Jeremiah Johnson"....?

I love Dances With Wolves (although not a 'western').....since I am a Native Maerican history major and, at 43 years of age, have been learning the  Lakota dialect of the Sioux language.






Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Gaucho on February 13, 2006, 07:34:58 PM
Hombre with Paul Newman is one of my favorites. It's no great shakes as an epic western, but when it stands against the other run-of-the-mill western flicks of the day, it's a star. The budget isn't super, but the story is breathtaking and the acting, at times, superb, especially on Newman's part. The main thing you must remember with this one is to take a step back from mindless viewer to looking at how you could see real people act and talk in such a situation. The fact that the dialogue is often dry is a testimony to the fact that it was written with real people, not characters, in mind. The memorable lines are not so because of some pop-culture appeal, or because they sound neat, like "Do you feel lucky, punk?", but they are memorable because they are flat-out real. A highly recommended film.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RowdyBill on February 19, 2006, 08:45:27 PM
More and more, my favorite westerns are turning out to be classic John Wayne movies.  Love Rio Bravo and just watched the War Wagon again and really like that.  The difference between today's westerns and the Duke's films?  Today's westerns, many of them, seem to take a revisionist approach, capturing the West as dirty and perverted to some degree.  The Duke's westerns captured the "better times" of the West, drinking, sitting by a campfire, comaraderie, etc.  The real Old West must have been beautiful.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: tarheel mac on February 20, 2006, 09:27:31 AM
to me when you talk about John Wayne Westerns, then the best of them was his last, "The Shootist, with "The Cowboys" right behind..or maybe tied with it. 

Then "Lonesome Dove" followed by "Tombstone", Sellecks "Crossfire Trail"  "Quigley Down Under," and "Monte Walsh"

And the comedic Westerns, "Cat Ballou" "Support Your Local Sheriff" and one that hasn't been mentioned "The Villian" with Kirk Douglas, Ann-Margret (handing over her luggage in a low cut dress, leaning over them and purring..."Could you take a hold of these, please?") It's a real slapstick "Road Runner vs Coyote" type movie, but still pretty funny.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Patriot49 on February 20, 2006, 09:13:09 PM
Let's get a sort of poll going here on your favorite Western.  I personally lean toward the comedy westerns. " How the West was Fun".  Among them are:  "Evil Roy Slade",  "Rustlers Rhapsody", "The Hallelujah Trail", "The Cheyenne Social Club", "Support Your Local Gunfighter", "Support your Local Sheriff"and "Waterhole #3".  I never saw a John Wayne movie I didn't like.  I have to be honest.  I didn't care all that much about the Clint Eastwood Speghetti Westerns.  They was somewhat close to reality, but they just didn't grab me like other Westerns have done.  Of course, the old Roy, Gene and Hoppy classics have always been favorites.  I grew up with those! 

So lets have it here!  What is/was your favorite Western?

A modern favorite of mine is  Tombstone starring Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, and Sam Elliott.  Enjoyed that thoroughly.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on February 28, 2006, 11:30:46 AM
See my list of "ten Favorite Western movies and you'll have my answer to this poll.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Patriot49 on March 08, 2006, 05:42:15 PM
I am wild about Tombstone.  As for others I like, the Magnificent Seven, John Wayne's later movies,
Pale Rider, and I also like the Sci Fi West World.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Gaucho on March 10, 2006, 07:21:54 PM
The Man from Snowy River is pretty good, too.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Dirty Dan Dawkins on June 12, 2006, 11:12:58 PM
Hmmm...."Seven Brides for Seven Brothers" Oh wait that ain't a western
The Cowboys
Blazin Saddles
McClintock
Winchester 73
Silverado
Dances with wolves ( More for the scenes , music, cinematography)
And for some reason Dark Command, guess I find that scene before Cantrell raids the town and the judge gets up and flips the lights on. Watch it, you'll see. I do get sick of hearing about Texas though.
Sorry, but all in all I like hokie, comical, inaccurate westerns best. Too much seriousness in my life to critique everything or to watch drama. Just like the action.
Any John Wayne or  about any b budget western. Bronson and Eastwood ok but a far cry from the Duke. His only equal is Jimmy Stewart.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: gotzguns on June 13, 2006, 02:53:26 AM
  valdes is coming
  winchester 73
  hondo
  outlaw jose wales
 any john ford western
cullpeper cattle company
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on June 14, 2006, 08:41:25 AM
I like Duke of course, Jimmy Stewart is great, Gary Cooper, Gregory Peck, Eastwood, Randolph Scott. I also like Tommy Lee Jones, he was supurb as Woodrow Call, and good in Missing, The last one I've seen starring him is s-l-o-w, the primise is good in 'the Three Burials of Melquiades Estrada' but the story drags and drags and d----ags-----
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Blue Steel Traveller on June 14, 2006, 01:24:28 PM
Tom Horn - Linda Evans in the water
Big Jake - Richard Boone as Fein, played the most ruthless character of any movie (not just Westerns)
Searchers - Ol Mose sure was crazy

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ornery Orr on June 14, 2006, 01:47:10 PM
In the late 70's or early 80's there was a movie in the theaters based on The Lone Ranger T.V. series.  I don't remember what the movie was titled or who starred in it.  That was pretty good since I had grown up on The Lone Ranger and Hopalong Cassidy.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on June 14, 2006, 03:46:35 PM
In the late 70's or early 80's there was a movie in the theaters based on The Lone Ranger T.V. series.  I don't remember what the movie was titled or who starred in it.  That was pretty good since I had grown up on The Lone Ranger and Hopalong Cassidy.
I believe it was titled "The Legend of the Lone Ranger" ??? it had to be in the early or mid eighties because my son was old enough then to apprecate it just as I was in the fifties to enjoy the T.V. series. ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Tommy tornado on July 24, 2006, 07:11:36 PM
1. Lonesome Dove
2. Unforgiven
3. True Grit
4. Tombstone
5. The Shootist
6. The Man Who Shot Liberity Vance
7. The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
8. Big Country (I think it is the title with Gregory Peck)
9. Long Riders
10. Silverado
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Three Legged Pete on July 31, 2006, 12:20:36 PM
I'm a little late to this here hoe down, but I'll put my two bits worth in anyway.  I know it ain't authentic, but I haven't seen anybody mention "The Balad of Cable Hogue" with Jason Robards.  Great movie, and Stella Stevens (showin my age here) ain't bad neither.  Love the line in there where somebody tells Robard's character "Vengence is mine, sayeth the Lord".  He replies "Thats fine with me.  Long as he don't take too long and I get to watch."  Hell, who ain't felt like that at one time or another.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Virginia Reb on July 31, 2006, 02:05:52 PM
To put movie titles down would be way to long of a list for me.  So, I will just put down my favorite actors in westerns and some of my favorite movies by them.

1) John Wayne (Rio Lobo, Chisum)
2) Jimmy Stewart (The Man from Laramie, Bend in the River, The Man who Shot Liberty Valence)
3) Glen Ford (Cowboy, The Fastest Gun Alive)
4) Gary Cooper (High Noon)
5) Audie Murphy (The Quick Gun, No Name on the Bullet)
6) Sam Elliott (Tombstone, The Shadow Riders)
7) Clint Eastwood (Unforgiven, The Outlow Josey Wales)

This is just a short list.  I pretty much haven't seen a western movie that I didn't like.  There are many other actors and movies that I didn't list here
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: W.T. on August 28, 2006, 10:17:07 PM
Most underrated Western with great performances (Harry Dean Stanton, Marlon Brando, Jack Nicholson) is the bizarre & slightly psycho "Missouri Breaks" ("He shot my dog 'cause he caught him puttin' his tongue on a pat of butter.  I wanted to put a bullet in his brain-pan.")

"Tom Horn" is the Steve McQueen movie.

"Unforgiven" - has it all.

"The Long Riders" - just plain cool.

"The Grey Fox" - with Richard Farnsworth ranks up there with "The Shootist" as a man-out-of-his-time theme piece.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mustang Gregg on September 20, 2006, 05:48:03 AM
Tombstone & Quigley.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ransom Gaer on October 19, 2006, 08:05:38 PM
This is a tough one.  I can't think of one that is my absolute favorite.  There are too many that I like a lot.

But here is a partial list in no particular order.

Open Range(watching it right now on the tv)
Tombstone(like it seems everybody else I like Kilmer's Doc)
The Mountain Men("Never been lost.  Fearsome confused for a month or two, but never lost.")
Outlaw Josey Wales
Support Your Local Sheriff
McClintock
Big Jake
Rio Lobo
Quigley Down Under
The Long Riders(especially the period music throughout the movie.)
And thanks to the Westerns Channel I've been introduced to Hopalong Cassidy.  I'm too young to have seen those movies in their heyday, but now with DVD's I can watch them any time I want to.  I love those Hoppy movies.

Ransom Gaer

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Free Hand on November 24, 2006, 11:37:07 AM
                 Tombstone, Quigley, Frisco Kid with Harrison Ford and Gene Wilder, Pale Riider, Blazing Saddles, and, If they're right for the category, The Alamo (John Wayne's, haven't seen the newest one) and Jeremiah Johnson.

Free Hand.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Dirty30 on January 05, 2007, 09:44:06 AM
Here goe's...
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
The Outlaw Josie Wales
For a Few Dollars More
True Grit
High plains drifter
Tombstone
Wyatt Earp
The Unforgiven
Open Range
Blazing Saddles
...One more that probably only I consider a western...
Last Man Standing. (here it comes) ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: james on January 10, 2007, 01:53:05 PM
Blazing Saddles The Good, the Bad and the Ugly  and any thing with John Wayne
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 19, 2007, 09:01:57 PM
Here goe's...
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
The Outlaw Josie Wales
For a Few Dollars More
True Grit
High plains drifter
Tombstone
Wyatt Earp
The Unforgiven
Open Range
Blazing Saddles
...One more that probably only I consider a western...
Last Man Standing. (here it comes) ::)

Interesting that you should mention Last Man Standing.  It was a remake of Fistful of Dollars which was already a remake of Japan's Yojimbo.

I didn't know that when I sat down to watch it, but as it got going, I slowly started to see the similarities.  I never knew for sure until a few years later.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ozark Tracker on January 19, 2007, 09:08:07 PM
Interesting that you should mention Last Man Standing.  It was a remake of Fistful of Dollars which was already a remake of Japan's Yojimbo.

I didn't know that when I sat down to watch it, but as it got going, I slowly started to see the semilarities.  I never knew for sure until a few years later.


Yo,  Jim bo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 20, 2007, 09:29:29 PM

Yo,  Jim bo

No Ozark! ::)  That's an Italian greeting not Italian movie. ::) ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Michael 'Deadwood' Clemons on January 21, 2007, 09:30:38 AM
Tombstone, Outlaw Josey Wales, Pale Rider.
Top three.
Like'm all though.
Preacher
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: harycalahand on January 31, 2007, 10:55:04 AM
The Cheyenne Social Club for one because of the story I  heard to go with it. Jimmy Steward complained that in the beginning of the movie he had all the lines and none for Fanda. So they added the part where "Harland" talk the whole way to Cheyenne. I do love the Eastwood movies esp. Outlaw Josey Whales, Paint Your Wagon. The eppic How the West was Won Also  I think The Man Man Who Shot  Liberity Vallance, It caused me to think on more than one leval.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: 65bsaA65 on February 16, 2007, 10:16:11 PM
My favorites...
     No. 1 would be Wayne's "Stagecoach", then, in no order; El Dorado, Liberty Valance, Sons of Katie Elder.  True Grit and Rooster Cogburn (I'd like to see 3 people load a Gatling on a bobbing ferry boat for real)!!!  Any John Wayne western.  Any Kirk Douglas western.  Evil Roy Slade!!!
     The "Sackett's" and any Selleck and/or Elliot movie.  Both "Support your Local" movies.
     Any Clint movie; but High Plains Drifter, The Unforgiven, and "Josey Wales" tied for Clint fave.
     Lonesome Dove.  Butch Cassidy.  The Wild Bunch.  Jeremiah Johnson.  Cat Ballou.
     2 movies I love but can't find:  McCabe and Mrs. Miller (Warren Beatty and Juliet Mills???) and
Great Scout and Cathouse Thursday (Lee Marvin and Oliver Reed gut bustingly funny)!!! 
     Two ain't westerns that are better than a lot of "real" westerns:  "Last Man Standing", and
"Bad Day at Black Rock".  "Bad Day" is one of the best movies I've ever seen.
      There's a bunch more I ain't got room for.  Funny, I'm not even into cowboy shooting; I'm just
a biker who likes to shoot black powder almost as much as I like my BSA.  ;D ;D ;D


     
     
   
     
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: AZ Drifter on March 03, 2007, 06:43:56 PM
  1: Monte Walsh  -- Tom Selleck
  2: The Shootist  --  John Wayne 
  There is more with Tom Selleck ( The Sacketts) and others with John Wayne. Clint Eastwood is beter now than when he was young. ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: 22lr on March 05, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
Can't pick just one...

Liberty Valence
Winchester '73
Unforgiven - (Clint Eastwood Version)
Jeremiah Johnson
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Coop Trawlaine on March 22, 2007, 11:55:48 AM
"Unforgiven" Is one of my favorites and "Open Range" too.
True, I also like John Wayne. But we need newer Westerns.

I have seen "Unforgiven" listed numerous times, my question is, which "Unforgiven"  the Clint Eastwood or the earlier one with Burt Lancaster, Audry Hepburn, and Audie Murphy?    My self I like the one with Burt and Audie best of the two.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Law Dog on March 22, 2007, 12:58:51 PM
Gotta' go with Tombstone, then Silverado, Outlaw Jossie Whales top 3 in any order but also love the Eastwood spaghetti western  series, Trinity series, Jerimiah Johnson, everything John Wayne (Cowboys least of all), etc just to name a few. Non-movie series has to go to GUNSMOKE, hands down!
Heck come to think of it I like'em all except "Joe Kidd."
Thanks for askin',
Law Dog
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on March 22, 2007, 02:39:36 PM
Yep, "The Unforgiven w/ Bert& Audry seems to have been passed over, I especelly liked Bert's referance to the"pitiful small army" that helped them hold off the Indian attack.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on March 22, 2007, 08:53:21 PM
Gotta' go with Tombstone, then Silverado, Outlaw Jossie Whales top 3 in any order but also love the Eastwood spaghetti western  series, Trinity series, Jerimiah Johnson, everything John Wayne (Cowboys least of all), etc just to name a few. Non-movie series has to go to GUNSMOKE, hands down!
Heck come to think of it I like'em all except "Joe Kidd."
Thanks for askin',
Law Dog

Yeah!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Riot Earp on March 31, 2007, 01:20:29 PM
The Missing , in its extended cut version, is my favorite Western. It's non traditional, and yet authentic. Plus all the actors are top notch.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: sharps54 on May 27, 2007, 03:36:13 AM
You know I may be the exception for my age (33) but I really like the 50's and 60's American westerns. I don't mind watching Spagetti westerns and own a few but the more I watch the old classics the more I like 'em. I watched the full How The West Was Won tonight on DVD and loved it! The lines down the screen didn't ruin it one bit, it was great. I am reading the Sackett books right now so a movie that follows a family is a shoe in to interest me but it's more then that. I just like the cleaner showing of the West and the bigger, more moral, heros shown in these movies. The "more realistic" (as far as movies go) Lonesome Dove or Unforgiven are still fun to watch but they don't bring the smile to my face that Rio Bravo or El Dorado does. Heck even Major Dundee was a treat, and it is far from a Ford western. I was even able to overlook the major historical (firearm and otherwise) issues of The Comancheros  (although you have to ask why they didn't just move it to after the Civil War?) and enjoy it, and that suprised me.

Well I don't have a favorite but any from that period are sure to put a smile on my face. I'm tempted to get one of the 1892s with a brass receiver just to emulate this era of westerns when I shoot B-Western....
Mild Myles
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Elderly Kid on May 27, 2007, 02:32:10 PM
65bsa: It was Julie Christie as Mrs. Miller.
One movie was "the Unforgiven." The other was just plain "Unforgiven." For the life of me I can never remember which was which.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ T Chambers on May 28, 2007, 10:08:13 AM
“The Unforgiven” was with Burt Lancaster and Audrey Hepburn.  “Unforgiven” was the one with Clint Eastwood.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: dakotaranger on September 08, 2007, 02:11:37 AM
I'm a huge Duke fan, but my favorite western is the 1957 3:10 to Yuma.  I really like the psychological interplay between Van Heflin and Glenn Ford.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Schofield on September 08, 2007, 05:16:13 PM

1. Open Range
2. Lonesome Dove
3. Unforgiven
4. Treasure of the Sierra Madre (semi western – great classic)
5. The Shootist
6. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
7. Monte Walsh
8. The Outlaw Josie Wales
9. Shane
10. Hombre
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stophel on October 14, 2007, 11:15:25 AM
Josey Wales and Pale Rider.  The Magnificent Seven (and if you all haven't seen "the Seven Samurai" you should.  It's pretty durn good, and it basically is a Western, except they are carrying swords instead of pistols.  Kurasawa said he was heavily influenced by John Ford and his westerns).  Conagher.  Crossfire Trail.  Almost anything starring Tom Selleck or Sam Elliott.  Tombstone was pretty good.  Two movies that I have the most fun watching are Quigley Down Under and Silverado.  Both of which I can watch over and over.

My new absolute favorite?  Well, I just watched "Broken Trail", and it was quite outstanding.  I was most impressed!  ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Books OToole on October 25, 2007, 12:09:01 PM
I just looked over all ten pages of this thread and I am shocked.  SHOCKED. ;)

No one listed Dead Man, with Johnny Depp, Robert Mitchem, Billy Bob Thorton & Alfred Molina.

I didn't find it on the Least Favorite either. 8)

Books
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on October 25, 2007, 01:13:10 PM
yEAH, WELL THAT MOVIE WAS KINDA OFF BEAT !
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Griff on October 25, 2007, 04:42:36 PM
Since I posted my list, I was diggin' thru my movies and found one that surprisingly, no has listed; and yet, I feel it was one of the best studies of a changing time and the men caught in the middle.  Tommy Lee Jones both starred and made his directorial debut in The Good Old Boys (http://www.starpulse.com/movie/The_Good_Old_Boys/V151774/0/0/).  It was a made for TV (don't remember which) and is only available on VHS, but worth the money to buy or rent.  I'm keeping my copy and getting a friend to convert it to DVD so I don't have to worry about tape stretch.  It's loosely based on the book of the same name by Elmer Kelton.  It's still available from Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Good-Old-Boys-Margaret-Bowman/dp/6303477143/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-0987175-8798029?ie=UTF8&s=video&qid=1193348391&sr=1-1).  Yep, I think if you like westerns, you should have THIS movie.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on October 26, 2007, 05:05:34 PM
The man portraying the Sheriff in "The Good Ol Boys" is Jaquian Jackson, a retired Texas Ranger.  He was also the idea behind Nick Nolte's Texas Ranger character in the movie "Extreme Prejudice" with Powers Booth.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Badlands Walker on November 09, 2007, 02:06:53 PM
I would have to say that my favorite movie to date would have to be Open Range.  I sure did like that new version of 3:10 to Yuma though!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Highlander999 on December 14, 2007, 10:47:37 AM
You know, I love almost all of them, but LAST STAND AT SABER RIVER is still one of my favorites.  Lots of Emotion, Much like Shane, a lot of mood involved.

But other than that:

Tombstone
Shane
The Searchers
The Shootist
Red River

And I could go on an on.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 31, 2008, 04:46:17 PM
The Good the Bad and the Ugly--100%
I didn't see any votes for High Plains Drifter but I have to say no one has ever painted the town red like that before or since.

Books, good call on Dead Man, I was just thinking about that movie the other day.  Sure it's off beat but it really sucked me in.  The lone guitar for all the background music (Neil Young?) was perfect.

"Some are born to sweet delight,
Some are born to endless night"

-William Blake Auguies of Innocence


Leo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: slap happy on April 15, 2008, 05:45:49 PM
the shootist, lonesome dove, silverado, any tom selleck , or sam elliot western
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Penny on April 27, 2008, 11:46:31 AM
I just went upstairs and dug out the old movie "Heaven's Gate" with Kris Kristofferson in it, its been about 15 years since I bought it and watched, but i was not into cowboy stuff then, happly I have to go to Roostermans to watch it as I don't have a VCR player anymore.. 3 hours and 40 minutes of cowboy stuff...if I remember right it is about the Johnson county wars??
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Black Powder on April 27, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
Just watched "the Shootist" for the umpteenth time.  Great performances from some classic cowboys.  Every time it's on, I get drawn in.

BP
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on April 27, 2008, 03:51:54 PM
"The Shootist" has been on a lot lately.  Great movie--I watch it everytime too.
     The other Duke movie like that fer me ain't a western, but it drags me in whenever it's on..."The Longest Day"


Leo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on April 27, 2008, 04:43:52 PM
I just watched Dead Man last night.  Very interesting movie and the bounty hunters had me rolling!  Y'all should watch the deleted scenes for more of the "talkative" one. ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on April 27, 2008, 07:57:20 PM
I don't own it, but now I gotta get it again.  The hunters were strange--the guy with the dress...
     The head squishing is a bit much but I seen much worse


Leo
     
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: piebiter on May 30, 2008, 07:43:26 AM
Got to go with Conagher, Tombstone, Monte Walsh, The Searchers and The Shootist in no particular order.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on May 30, 2008, 01:17:22 PM
"The Shootist" has been on a lot lately.  Great movie--I watch it everytime too.
     The other Duke movie like that fer me ain't a western, but it drags me in whenever it's on..."The Longest Day"



Leo
Here's a bit of trivia about "the Shootist" That some may not be aware of--- At the end of the movie Gillum shoots the bartender and throws the gun across the room--- At the end of rhe book Gillum shoots J.B. Books!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on May 30, 2008, 02:08:13 PM
Here's a bit of trivia about "the Shootist" That some may not be aware of--- At the end of the movie Gillum shoots the bartender and throws the gun across the room--- At the end of rhe book Gillum shoots J.B. Books!

What on earth was his motivation?  Are there several other differences that would lead to that ending?


Leo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on May 30, 2008, 04:39:46 PM
I have not read the book, but  I understand the character of Gillum is a bit diffrently portrayed in the book and the movie. We all saw the movie and Guillum comes across as a good kid with a bit of a wild streak. In the book his character has been much more heavily influnced by his employer and it is Gillum's ambition to become a gunfighter. and what better way to make a name for one's self than to be known as the man that killed an (in)famious "Shootist"
 That's what I gather from the reviewer of the movie who claims to have read the book. He claims that the movie has been given what is commonly known as "a Hollywood ending."
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on May 30, 2008, 04:51:26 PM
Well I gotta find a copy of that book!

     It was a great movie for the Duke to go out with.  I believe he knew he was sick when he made it.  He may have personaly had a hand in any plot changes.


Leo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on May 30, 2008, 08:57:26 PM
Well I gotta find a copy of that book!

     It was a great movie for the Duke to go out with.  I believe he knew he was sick when he made it.  He may have personaly had a hand in any plot changes.


Leo
I'm not positive but I think the book's title is diffrent than the movie's. But Here's the arthor's name who wrote the book---  Glendon Swarthout
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on May 30, 2008, 09:14:40 PM
I'm not positive but I think the book's title is diffrent than the movie's. But Here's the arthor's name who wrote the book---  Glendon Swarthout
I was wrong The name of the novel is "The Shootist"
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: minerotago on June 02, 2008, 02:09:26 AM
'The Virginian' by Owen Wister and 'Shane' by Jack Schaeffer are my all time favourites I reckon and 'Destry Rides Again; comes in there as well.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: MMA10mm on June 22, 2008, 12:58:08 PM
I am always surprised by the number of people who pick the Searchers as JW's all-time best western... I think it is the slowest JW movie ever made and does not have any better cinematography or acting than several other JW movies.

Want to see JW play a "darker" role as in Searchers, but with a far better story line and better co-stars?  Try The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.  That's tied as my all-time favorite JW movie, along with Rio Bravo.  (Fantastic supporting cast in Rio Bravo, which is what makes it slightly better than the two similar JW movies.)  I like all of the post WWII JW westerns, except The Searchers...  ::)

As far as other westerns, The Magnificent Seven is an absolute classic.  The Professionals and The Wild Bunch are outstandingly entertaining and pretty darn good portrayals for the turn-of-the-century time period.  The Outlaw Josie Wales is the one pre-Unforgiven Clint Eastwood western that lives up to decent story line, acting, and production standards.  There are a couple Charles Bronson westerns that aren't bad too.  I like Pat Garret and Billy the Kid if for no other reason than the double-barrel shotgun loaded with dimes!

For modern westerns, I really appreciate the quality in Dances w/ Wolves, Tombstone, any of the Tom Selleck/TBS movies (Monte Walsh, etc.), Open Range, and Unforgiven.  They all also have great casts, acting, and story lines.  I watch 'em all over-and-over again.  Conagher is also extremely well shot and acted.  Sam Elliot just exudes "Cowboy."

I'd love to see an all-star cast western, with Tom Selleck, Robert Duvall, and Sam Elliot working together.

There was a western movie shot a couple years ago around here by one of my former bosses.  I know just about everyone who acted in it and worked the set.  He's had it to several film companies and even took it to Cannes, but it hasn't been picked up.  I'm hoping he tries to get a direct-to-DVD-release deal, if no one will show it in the theaters...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Nichols Creek Ranger on July 03, 2008, 10:12:59 PM
my favorites?!!!!

THE COWBOYS - John Wayne...phenomenal movie....absolute classic...PERIOD...End of discussion on this one!!!! Dont even argue with me on this one or I will shoot your testicles off!!!And if you dont get misty eyed when John Wayne dies in this movie, then your powder is too wet and you should just stay home and watch 'Desperate Houswives' with your woman.

EL DORADO - John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, James Caan
This is a "remake" ( or sorts) of one of John Wayne's older movies "Rio Bravo"...this is just a great basic western

I always quote the entire poem from El Dorado. It is actually Edgar Allen Poe who wrote it...here is a piece of the poem that "Mississippi" (James Caan) recites...

"When at last his strength, failed him at length, he came across a pilgrim shadow
Shadow, said he...where could it be, this land called El Dorado?
Over the mountains and the moon
Down the valley of the shadow
Ride, Boley ride, the shade replied
In search of El Dorado"


BIG JAKE  if anything happens at all. Anything. My fault, your fault, nobody's fault, I'm gonna blow your head off."

OUTLAW JOSEY WALES Of course....if you didnt mention this movie, then you just plain suck at picking westerns! LOL

TOM HORN with Steve McQueen.....should be on everyone's list!!!!

SILVERADO - I know, I know...not authentic and campy but I love it anyway...love the sound of those Henry Rifles in the movie

QUICK AND THE DEAD - The original, NOT the piece of crap with Sharon Stone in it...Kate Capshaw is one CURVACEOUS woman in this movie....OMG!!!!

THE SACKETTS!!!! back in the days of the old HBO westerns...classic with the same bunch of actors who paried up for The Shaodw Riders.

THE LONG RIDERS!!!  A lot of you younger guys probably have never heard of this one....this should rate close to the very top....dont watch it on tv...rent the DVD and see the entire movie...

OPEN RANGE with Kevin Costner and Robert Duvall

LONESOME DOVE  a classic as well......

MY NAME IS NOBODY Terrence Hill and Henry Fonda...jsut plain spaghetti western fun.

LAST TRAIN TO GUNHILL Kirk Douglas and Anthony Quinn

IN PURSUIT OF HONOR with Don Johnson...retelling of a true story of U.S. Cavalry who, after being replaced by the new mechanized infantry, are ordered to take 400 cavalry remounts down to Mexico where they will be slaughtered since they are no longer needed. Johnson and others decide to save the horse and drive the herd north to Canada with the mechanized infantry giving chase...HBO movie...not bad....love the story

MAGNIFICENT SEVEN the original...not the sequel and certainly not the tv series....

THE SEARCHERS

THE SONS OF KATIE ELDER

You know, a lot of the modern 'westerns' just dont cut it for me much...I DO appreciate Tom Selleck trying hard to stay with authentic period guns and clothing and making decent westerns. Monty Walsh remake was great. He is a good horseman.

I used to love all the Spaghetti westerns......

Of course, to tell the truth, any John Wayne movie....

Anyone remember "Gunfight"....or was it "Gunfighter" ...with Johnny Cash?

I do like the old "Support Your Local Sherrif / Gunfighter" movies....almost all of Henry Fonda movies.....I loved all the light humor classic westerns of my youth....

Hey, does "Dances With Wolves" count?! How about "Windwalker" and "Winterhawk"? "The Mountain Men" or "Jeremiah Johnson"....?

I love Dances With Wolves (although not a 'western').....since I am a Native Maerican history major and, at 43 years of age, have been learning the  Lakota dialect of the Sioux language.

Hate to rain on your parade, but the actual line is  "Ride, boldly, ride"





Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on July 08, 2008, 06:46:42 PM
I used to love all the Spaghetti westerns......

You mean you saw each and every one of the 550+ spaghetti westerns? :o :o :)  Now there's a fan!  I've seen only about twenty or so of 'em.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: G. Harbinger on August 27, 2008, 12:43:53 AM
Hey, I'm glad to see somebody mentioned "Dead Man" with Johnny Depp.  That one's been overlooked a lot - and it is weird for sure -  but the costumming and guns are great - were else do you see a snubby 1860 poked into a guys face from a bedroll?  Or for that matter, a snubbed off 1849 Dragoon on the cover picture.  (Hey, I got an irrational interest in snubnosed percussions, what can I say.)
- G. Harbinger, Washington Territory
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Top Kick Ken on September 08, 2008, 02:32:00 AM
Too many good ones to list just one, not enough time to sort through them all to try and figure it out.

So I guess I'll just list the first ten (Their gonna be the ones I finished watching very recently)...or so...that come to mind. 

Tombstone
Crossfire Trail
The Magnificent Seven
McKlintock
The Sacketts
Dances with Wolves
Rio Grande
Silverado
Blazing Saddles
Open Range

Looky what we have here...an extra 10 that I couldn't stop myself from typing.

Support Your Local Sheriff
Maverick 
Hang 'em High
Rooster Cogburn
Sons of Katie Elder
El Dorado
Rio Bravo
Broken Trail
Winchester '73
Tom Horn
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on September 08, 2008, 12:27:00 PM
Saw a great one on Saturday.  Man With a Gun.
     Good story and the acting was top notch.  They don't make movies like this one anymore.


Leo
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on September 26, 2008, 02:09:33 PM
Another vote for RUSTLERS RHAPSODY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OaA3LZHbQs

Especially this clip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZeS1b4QSVk&feature=related
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on December 16, 2008, 10:00:08 PM
"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"
"Tombstone"
"Maverick"

obviously depending on my mood will depend on which of these three I'd like to watch.  I also like pretty much all of John Wayne's... especially "The Searchers," "McClintock," and the one above.  Also, "The Quiet Man," even though it wasn't a western, totally my favorite.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on January 18, 2009, 08:21:27 AM
Gotta add Appaloosa and 3:10 to Yuma to my list now too!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on January 24, 2009, 11:33:58 AM
Too many good'uns to pick just one, so here are some general thoughts.  I like:

1.  any Western with Tom Selleck or Sam Elliot in it.  And if they're BOTH in it...    ;D ;D ;D

2.  just about any Western with Robert Duvall or Tommy Lee Jones in it.  And once again, if they're BOTH in it... ;D ;D ;D

3.  most Westerns (but not all) that star John Wayne

I believe that, until recently, the most realistic & historically accurate Western I had ever seen was The Culpepper Cattle Company.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on January 24, 2009, 02:50:58 PM
Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot are great western actors.  Sam Elliot's voice is perfect for this genre. I love him in Tombstone, Virgil is my favorite character.  Tom Selleck in Quigley is good too!  What movie are they both in together?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ T Chambers on January 24, 2009, 03:22:20 PM
Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot are great western actors.  Sam Elliot's voice is perfect for this genre. I love him in Tombstone, Virgil is my favorite character.  Tom Selleck in Quigley is good too!  What movie are they both in together?

The Shadow Riders, was just on Encore Westerns!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on January 25, 2009, 03:57:03 AM
IMDBing that one now! heheh, add that to my collection!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on January 25, 2009, 10:03:24 AM
Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot are great western actors.  Sam Elliot's voice is perfect for this genre. I love him in Tombstone, Virgil is my favorite character.  Tom Selleck in Quigley is good too!  What movie are they both in together?

They're in at least two made-for-television movies together, and in both they were cast as brothers. They certainly look enough like to be brothers!  Both movies were based on Louis L'Amour novels.

In The Sacketts (1979), they were Orrin and Tell Sackett.  In The Shadow Riders (1982), they were Mac and Dal Traven.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ T Chambers on January 25, 2009, 10:53:31 AM
Daniel
I had almost forgotten “The Sacketts”!  That hasn’t hit the play list in a long time.  As I recall the two stories were by Louis L’Amour, but the studio didn’t have the rights to one of the novels and had to change the name of the family and a few other things.
As I also recall, between the two of them (Selleck and Elliott). They have covered a rather wide range of L’Amour’s books.

Crossfire trail
Conagher
The Sacketts
The Shadow Riders

And probably some others I can’t come up with right now!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on January 26, 2009, 09:43:17 AM
As I recall the two stories were by Louis L’Amour, but the studio didn’t have the rights to one of the novels and had to change the name of the family and a few other things.

Hadn't heard that.  The Sacketts movie combined the plots of two L'Amour books:  Sackett and The Daybreakers.  Oh, and two more of my favorites, Ben Johnson ("Cap Rountree") and Glen Ford ("Tom Sunday") were in it.  Ford started out as a good guy, but he turned bad.  In fact, the cast had a LOT of "names" in it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on January 26, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
Daniel
I had almost forgotten “The Sacketts”!  That hasn’t hit the play list in a long time.  As I recall the two stories were by Louis L’Amour, but the studio didn’t have the rights to one of the novels and had to change the name of the family and a few other things.
As I also recall, between the two of them (Selleck and Elliott). They have covered a rather wide range of L’Amour’s books.

Crossfire trail
Conagher
The Sacketts
The Shadow Riders

And probably some others I can’t come up with right now!


Don't forget the REAL The Quick And The Dead (1987), which starred Sam Elliot and was based on the L'Amour novel of the same name.  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093811/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093811/)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on January 27, 2009, 02:52:24 AM
The real Quick and the Dead is amazing! I'll say it again, anything with Sam Elliot is awesome!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on February 17, 2009, 04:28:39 PM
I know it had Marlon Brando in it, but One Eyed Jacks was pretty good.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Pinto Jim on April 04, 2009, 02:10:36 PM
AMC has this same poll going on there website currently
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on April 04, 2009, 02:19:24 PM
They do a lot of those polls.  One was "who's a badder bad guy, Lee Van Cleef or Jack Palance?"  Palance was good, but he weren't no Angel Eyes.

Welcome Nash, fresh faces and opinions are a great thing around here.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on April 04, 2009, 04:18:14 PM
Lee Van Cleef had a bunch more bad guy western roles than Palance did.  Palance's character in "Shane" was an evil SOB.  Even when Van Cleef was the good guy, he was still a bad guy.  I finally got around to watch my Blu Ray edition of  "The Searchers". No none will ever make me change my mind. It is still the greatest Western and John Wayne was robbed. He should have gotten an Oscar for Uncle Ethan's character.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on April 04, 2009, 05:55:12 PM
The Searchers was a special movie. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on April 04, 2009, 08:02:13 PM
I'll second that!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on April 05, 2009, 02:13:19 PM
The Searchers was a special movie. 

how I got to know the Duke... first Duke movie I ever saw.  I think I was four, changed me forever.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on April 05, 2009, 05:50:05 PM
Ethan's character was an anti-hero. He was a troubled man with scars from the War. He had probably gone outside the law after the War. He was a loner. He had family, but he had been away too long. It was not the same when he returned.  He probably should have gotten an Oscar for his role as Sgt. Striker in "Sands of Iwo Jima".
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on April 05, 2009, 05:52:24 PM
Yer right, he shoulda.  There was a great actor.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ McCrae on May 08, 2009, 11:19:55 PM
For me all time is..... Well look at my avatar Lonesome Dove Duh! :D ;D ;D ;D

For comedy though... The rounders with Glen Ford and Henry Fonda, that Red Roan hoss stole the show, plus sometimes me and one of my pards see a little to much of our life in that movie going to college and working the hunting leases ;D

The searchers is a good one, Tombstone... Heck I bet it's easier to name bad westerns and the only one I saw on here was "Quick and the dead" with Sharon Stone
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on May 10, 2009, 05:00:22 AM
Sir Charles - thanks for those clips from Rustler's Rhapsody. They made me chuckle.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on May 27, 2009, 08:15:42 PM
For comedy though... The rounders with Glen Ford and Henry Fonda, that Red Roan hoss stole the show, plus sometimes me and one of my pards see a little to much of our life in that movie going to college and working the hunting leases ;D

hehe, my favorite western comedy has got to be...

hehe, Paint your Wagon!!

"No Name City!!!"  hehehe
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on June 09, 2009, 12:03:02 AM
What Horse Flatulence and Gun Smoke movie do I like the best? Good question...!

I have liked almost every western movie I have ever seen, even the bad ones are better than anything else.

The "Wild Bunch," "The Shootist," "Open Range," "Broken Trail," and "Rio Bravo," are standouts with me...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on June 09, 2009, 11:49:02 AM
hehe, my favorite western comedy has got to be...

hehe, Paint your Wagon!!

"No Name City!!!"  hehehe

I hate musicals, but Lil finally talked me inta watchin that one.  Lee Marvin was great but the plot was horrible.  I aint sharin ma wife with no one, partner er not.

As far as No Name City goes, I did get chuckle when the first sign read, "population--men".
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on June 09, 2009, 02:30:50 PM
My favorite westerns? Well............that one's kind of a long list right there, but let's arrow it down.
The Dollars Trilogy, Once Upon A Time In The West, 3:10 to Yuma(remake), Pale Rider, Unforgiven, The Outlaw Josey Wales, High Plains Drifter, Young Guns, and Silverado.
Just recently I've rediscovered another favorite called The Tracker starring Kris Kristofferson.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on June 09, 2009, 07:17:40 PM
I just finished watching the absolute best shootout in film history. 

...In my opinion anyway.  There aren't many folks that like the movie, but that doesn't deter me.


Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Tensleep on June 09, 2009, 07:28:44 PM
I just finished watching the absolute best shootout in film history. 

...In my opinion anyway.  There aren't many folks that like the movie, but that doesn't deter me.




Name that movie!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on June 09, 2009, 08:31:48 PM
Well, I'm invitin' nay-sayers, but...

Once Upon A Time in the West.  Charles Bronson and Henry Fonda. 

I watched the movie again over the weekend, but had to watch the gunfight (if you can call it that) again tonight before packing away the disc.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on June 09, 2009, 10:45:35 PM
I don't think I've seen that one.   Watched The Good The Bad And The Ugly with ma daughter again taday.  It's great cause she loves it as much as I do.  She's the last person you would expect ta be watchin a western.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on June 10, 2009, 12:17:35 AM
Well, I'm invitin' nay-sayers, but...

Once Upon A Time in the West.  Charles Bronson and Henry Fonda. 

I watched the movie again over the weekend, but had to watch the gunfight (if you can call it that) again tonight before packing away the disc.

With Sergio Leone's western, it's not the moment of violence that he finds interesting, but the moment building up to it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on June 10, 2009, 01:20:04 PM
With Sergio Leone's western, it's not the moment of violence that he finds interesting, but the moment building up to it.

I gotta agree 100% with that.  That's what makes em good.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on June 10, 2009, 10:30:31 PM
I gotta agree 100% with that.  That's what makes em good.
Good- because they're worth every dollar! ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on June 11, 2009, 06:13:23 PM
With Sergio Leone's western, it's not the moment of violence that he finds interesting, but the moment building up to it.

So true.  In those minutes leading up to the gun shot, the viewer finally gets to learn just what business "Harmonica" had with Frank.  And boy was it something.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on June 12, 2009, 08:55:08 PM
Once Upon a Time in the West is a great film!  A lot of people don't get it or other westerns that seem to draw on, I try to explain to them that they are epics, set in a grand scale, over a longer period of time.  Sometimes that helps... Wyatt Earp, Dances With Wolves, Once Upon a Time in the West, Legends of the Fall, Assassination of Jesse James... they are all within the "Western" genre, but they are epics first. ;)  Love Once Upon a Time, just finished watching it actually.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt'n Jack on July 12, 2009, 07:28:23 AM
Without a doubt  "The Ballad of Cable Houge" is my favorite.  Difficult to find.  I finally after years found a single DVD of the movie and watch it about twice a year.  Got to find a way to make copies to send around so others can finally see my madness.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Old Doc on July 12, 2009, 05:30:18 PM
Without a doubt  "The Ballad of Cable Houge" is my favorite.  Difficult to find.  I finally after years found a single DVD of the movie and watch it about twice a year.  Got to find a way to make copies to send around so others can finally see my madness.

It plays frequently on TV, most recently the Encore Westerns Channel. It's the one, of which Peckinpaugh supposedly remarked, when criticized for the violence in his movies , "I made a movie once without any violence and nobody came to see the damned thing".
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on July 13, 2009, 12:29:05 AM
It plays frequently on TV, most recently the Encore Westerns Channel. It's the one, of which Peckinpaugh supposedly remarked, when criticized for the violence in his movies , "I made a movie once without any violence and nobody came to see the damned thing".

Poor Sam, he makes a less than violent movie and people hate it anyway? I don't understand that one bit!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on July 30, 2009, 06:09:30 PM
I may have written this before, so my apologies if I have.

My guilty-pleasure western, believe it or not, is Lightning Jack starring Paul (Crocodile Dundee) Hogan, Cuba Gooding Jr. and Beverly D'Angelo.  As you might expect, it is fairly predictable but extremely FUNNY!

There are several other "known faces" in the movie as well, such as Pat Hingle as the U.S. Marshal and Sandy Gibbons (you'll surely recognize the face if not the name) as the South Fork Sheriff.

ADDENDUM:

This thread got me to thinking about the movie, so I watched it again.   Its still great. And something I'd forgotten -- the final song, played during the credits, is called "Wanted Man."  It was written by Bob Dylan (of all people) and performed by the legendary Johnny Cash.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on August 08, 2009, 11:50:15 AM
The Cowboys Show every Wednesday night with Tupelo Flash and guests.sponsered by Larry Potterfields Midway USA and Ruger.com ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on August 22, 2009, 01:34:28 AM
My most favorite, little know movie is called '(Tell Them) Valdez is Coming!'

The synopsis is that Burt Lancaster plays a Mexican American sherrif for a very small border village.

He tries hard to do the right thing, then finally gets the 'bad guys' to follow him ... and if you love old guns that were used correctly, this is the movie for you....

In fact, I like it so much that I just ordered it on Amazon.com for less than a saw buck . Including shipping.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on August 23, 2009, 02:47:52 AM
I have had this movie, tell them "Valdez is Coming," for quiet a few years. In my way of looking at it, this is one of Burt Lancaster's best movies...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on August 23, 2009, 08:57:35 AM
I agree about Burt Lancaster's acting ... he is not Burt Lancaster playing someone, he IS Valdez.

Surprising this one is such a sleeper ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on September 16, 2009, 12:00:14 PM
I have mentioned here at least once how Lewis B. Patten is one of my favorite Western authors, and he remains so.

How ever through happenstance I stumbled across an author that I hadn't read before but really enjoyed.  I bought a beat up book at a garage sale for a quarter and stuck it aside, well I finished the book I was reading and didn't have another besides the beat up Western so I reluctantly started it.  WOW I could hardly put it down!  The book was "Home To Texas" and the author is Frank Roderus.  I looked him up at the Fantastic fiction web site and he has written over 40 books the majority of them Westerns and he is still writing.

In this book he had many references to firearms and they were plausible and accurate.  His hero carries and old Colt C&B Dragoon, which he is alway careful to carry the un-capped chamber under the hammer.  he has many details like that which us firearms enthusiasts enjoy.  So go down to your library and get one of his books and see if you don't like them.  Let me know what you think.

Will Ketchum (who has a whole lot of reading to catch up on now)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on September 16, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
Thanks Will.  I have a pile of them dime store novels ta go through.  I'll see if he wrote any of them and read it first.  My wife brings them home all the time and I just haven't had time ta catch up.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on November 30, 2009, 01:12:52 AM
"I fumbled through my closet for my clothes, And found my cleanest dirty shirt
combed my hair,shaved my face and stumbled down the stairs to meet the day.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on November 30, 2009, 10:16:45 AM
"I fumbled through my closet for my clothes, And found my cleanest dirty shirt
combed my hair,shaved my face and stumbled down the stairs to meet the day."

-- Sunday Morning Coming Down, written by Kris Kristofferson. I've always said he's a great songwriter; he just can't sing worth a flip.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Forty Rod on November 30, 2009, 01:35:17 PM
-- Sunday Morning Coming Down, written by Kris Kristofferson. I've always said he's a great songwriter; he just can't sing worth a flip.

I feel the same way about Willie Nelson.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on November 30, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
Ferget Kristofferson's singin, have ever seem him try ta act?  Sorry if yer readin this Kris, but William Shatner is better than you.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on November 30, 2009, 04:13:00 PM
Ferget Kristofferson's singin, have ever seem him try ta act?  Sorry if yer readin this Kris, but William Shatner is better than you.

Mostly I agree, but I thought Kris did a pretty good job as bad-guy Sheriff Charlie Wade in Lone Star.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on November 30, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Mostly I agree, but I thought Kris did a pretty good job as bad-guy Sheriff Charlie Wade in Lone Star.

I'll have ta see that one ta balieve it.  I saw him in Flashpoint and thought he belonged in a wax museum.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on November 30, 2009, 06:20:25 PM
I'll have ta see that one ta balieve it.  I saw him in Flashpoint and thought he belonged in a wax museum.

You haven't seen Lone Star, one of THE modern-day westerns?  Takes place current-day (more or less) on the Texas side of the Texas-Mexico border.  Its a multi-plot mystery, a love story, and a social commentary all wrapped up in one.  Ya really oughta see it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Forty Rod on November 30, 2009, 07:02:36 PM
Ferget Kristofferson's singin, have ever seem him try ta act?  Sorry if yer readin this Kris, but William Shatner is better than you.

Man, you are just cruel.   ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on November 30, 2009, 07:05:07 PM
Man, you are just cruel.   ;D

Nope.  Him speak with straight tongue (or somethin' like that).
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on November 30, 2009, 08:36:50 PM
Man, you are just cruel.   ;D

Nope.  Him speak with straight tongue (or somethin' like that).

Well mentionin the Shat was pretty bad but I will look at the Lone Star movie.  Aint expectin much but ya never know. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: tenderfoot on December 01, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
hi everybody

for me a great western is one that no matter how many times I have seen it no matter if its in my cd collection if i am clicking through the channels iand i come across one of these movies i always stop and enjoy them one more time.

shane    best gunfight ever and best bad guy ever walter "jack" palance
hondo, rio bravo, cowboys and true grit    johnwayne nuff said
magnificent seven     we deal in lead friend
outlaw josie wales     leave em be bugs gotta eat same as worms
ride the high country  joel macrea and randolf scott one last walk down for two great last performances.
ride lonsome  a man can do that 
crossfire trail last, stand at sabre river and selleck's remake of monty walsh


Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on December 01, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
Them's all good picks.  Could be the western movie starter kit :D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Forty Rod on December 01, 2009, 01:20:05 PM
hi everybody

for me a great western is one that no matter how many times I have seen it no matter if its in my cd collection if i am clicking through the channels iand i come across one of these movies i always stop and enjoy them one more time.

shane    best gunfight ever and best bad guy ever walter "jack" palance
hondo, rio bravo, cowboys and true grit    johnwayne nuff said
magnificent seven     we deal in lead friend
outlaw josie wales     leave em be bugs gotta eat same as worms
ride the high country  joel macrea and randolf scott one last walk down for two great last performances.
ride lonsome  a man can do that 
crossfire trail last, stand at sabre river and selleck's remake of monty walsh

Gotta disagree with one thing: Bruce Dern is the best bad guy ever.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on December 01, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Gotta disagree with one thing: Bruce Dern is the best bad guy ever.

I'll second that.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: tenderfoot on December 01, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
okay guys ya got me
anybody that kills jw is the baddest bad in the land.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Forty Rod on December 01, 2009, 03:19:51 PM
He's like Basil Rathbone.  I just love to hate those guys.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on December 01, 2009, 06:12:30 PM
He's like Basil Rathbone.  I just love to hate those guys.

You mean you actually hate Sherlock Holmes?? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Forty Rod on December 01, 2009, 06:42:51 PM
Yep.  And you can add Vincent Price, too.  Despicable characters when they were cast in the part.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on December 01, 2009, 08:17:46 PM
You mean you actually hate Sherlock Holmes?? ;D ;D ;D

Sherlock woulda been shear luck without Watson.  Anyhoo, I don't think Basil ever did a western.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Skeeter Lewis on December 02, 2009, 08:58:16 AM
Basil Rathbone was brilliant as a villainous Sheriff Of Nottingham, but of Dodge City?...I don't think so.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Rube Burrows on January 04, 2010, 08:48:30 PM
I guess my FAV would prob. be the Lonsome Dove movies and most of the before and after movies in the group. I really enjoy watching them.

Young Guns I and II were my fav growing up. I guess I was the right age for those and watched them at least once a week.


I like so many now its hard to tell......O.L.J.W. is def. up there on the top of my list. I also really like Geronimo. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on January 06, 2010, 10:10:18 AM
Ol' Bruce Dern has caught a lot of flak from his role in "The Cowboys".  You just can't shoot John Wayne and get away with it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on January 06, 2010, 10:43:05 AM
Ol' Bruce Dern has caught a lot of flak from his role in "The Cowboys".  You just can't shoot John Wayne and get away with it.

He made a fantastic bad guy.  In fact, though he's been in a lot of stuff (movies and TV), only once did I see him in a "good guy" role.  That was in the science fiction movie Silent Running.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 06, 2010, 04:44:56 PM
... Especially in the back (as I remember it).

There was a song named 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance' ...

Maybe there should have been a song about the only man who ever shot John Wayne (except for some nameless Japanese soldier in 'The Sands of Iwo Jima")
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 06, 2010, 05:09:04 PM
Then there would have to be a song about the bartender in The Shootist.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 06, 2010, 05:23:12 PM
True ....

And in the back as well ....

But thanks, I had forgotten about that ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sgt Sourdough on February 23, 2010, 02:27:57 PM
Quigley Down Under
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on February 23, 2010, 11:54:09 PM
I know it'll be considered heresy but I couldn't stand the duke's movies, Clint Eastwood and Tom Selleck have my votes.


Pale Rider
Outlaw Josie Wales
The Unforgiven
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly
Tombstone [Kilmer]
Lonesome Dove
Quigley
Magnificent Seven
Once Upon a Time
Winchester '73
Young Guns

Please let there be no lynchings!

Get a rope...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on February 24, 2010, 01:14:55 AM
Ferget Kristofferson's singin, have ever seem him try ta act?  Sorry if yer readin this Kris, but William Shatner is better than you.

I don't care much for Christopherson myself... He's a dyed in the wool liberal. When he sings, it sounds like the mating call of a love sick YAK...

However,  he writes some of the best songs ever. "Me and Bobby MaGee," "Sunday Mornin Coming Down," and "Why Me Lord," are some of the best songs written in the sixties and seventies.  But, he insists on singing, and it ruins everything.

Christopherson starred in a movie named "The Tracker." It is a really good Western, and Christopherson will hold his own with anybody, acting in a movie.

If he weren't such a damned liberal, I might enjoy watching some, but not all, of his entertainment activities, just as long as he doesn't sing.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on February 24, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
I don't care much for Christopherson myself... He's a dyed in the wool liberal.

Dang, I purely resemble that.  ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on February 24, 2010, 10:13:48 PM
Dang, I purely resemble that.  ;)

I should feel sorry for you, however, I can't work up much sorrow for a lib tard...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on February 25, 2010, 08:51:48 PM
I should feel sorry for you, however, I can't work up much sorrow for a lib tard...

Nor can I feel any sorrow for a Refumblican.

Okay, now that we've called each other names, can we get back to the topic of this thread?  :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on February 26, 2010, 01:08:34 AM
Nor can I feel any sorrow for a Refumblican.

Okay, now that we've called each other names, can we get back to the topic of this thread?  :)

Your trying hard to start something, but it's not working...

I am neither Democrat, or Republican, I'm a very independent voter.

Now let's stop this nonsense and get back to the subject at hand...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on February 26, 2010, 09:43:44 AM

Okay, now that we've called each other names, can we get back to the topic of this thread?  :)

And the topic is;   FANTASY!     Fantasy on film, that is.

P.S.;  Last night I took a break from Olympic coverage to watch a good part of THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE.  Even though I use a quote from it below my posts, I'd never seen more than clips, just enough to get the gist of it.  Last night I saw enough to get a good appreciation for the story.  It now goes on my list of great westerns.

How about THE THREE GODFATHERS, with John Wayne.  (His was the 3rd re-make; - apparently)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: yeti76620 on February 26, 2010, 11:09:26 AM
To me without a doubt it's the Shootist...it's hard to pick one of so many but "The Duke" is King...

Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott, Robert Duvall on the more modern movies are great then there's the "classics"...Oh I'm a little kid with a free hand in a chocolate store.....but it's the Shootist I stop and stare at like a 50lb Hershey bar!    ;D ;D ;D

Yeti76620


But that Ron Howard is such a LIB!!!   :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on February 26, 2010, 02:26:17 PM
Read the book (no pun intended) the end will shock you.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on February 26, 2010, 02:48:02 PM
John Wayne in "The Searchers". He should have received an Oscar. I've only seen bits an pieces of "The Shootist". I guess, becaues it was his last picture.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on February 26, 2010, 04:38:01 PM
The SEARCHERS is a great film, and highly regarded.

IMHO it would have been a classic if more attention had been paid to period correct arms & equipment.  This one begs for a re-make because of it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on February 26, 2010, 05:01:08 PM
The SEARCHERS is a great film, and highly regarded.

IMHO it would have been a classic if more attention had been paid to period correct arms & equipment.  This one begs for a re-make because of it.

I'll vote for a remake of "The Searchers," with authentic firearms and equipment myself.

I would eliminate one scene and change another.

The scene I would eliminate from "The Searchers," was the one where John Waye is shooting at a herd of buffalo, because he was angry at the Indians. Any westerner would have known the 1892 Winchester he was using, would not have any effect on a buffalo at the range he was shooting at them.

The scene I would change is the scene where John Wayne is using Jeffry Hunter as bait, for the bad guys he knows are coming to get them. That scene was filmed on a movie set, and was very obviously shot indoors. If the scene would have been shot in the outdoors, it would have looked so much better.

"The Shootist," is one of my all time favorite movies. However, the scene between John Wayne and Sherrie North, as his past girl friend, needs to be eliminated, or redone much better. The scene looked so out of place, such as a piece of chewing gum stuck on a bedpost. The continuity of that scene, with the rest of the movie, was terrible.

"The Searchers" and "The Shootist" are classic Western movies, in my opinion...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on February 26, 2010, 05:05:42 PM
Although I have already voted for my favorite (The Wonderful Country,  Robert Mitchum/Julie London), my all time favorite Duke movie has to be The Shootist ....

This is the most human role I have ever seen the Duke play. He is John Wayne playing John Wayne ...

I got the feeling through the whole film that, given half a chance, this was how John Wayne would have liked to end his life.

What a shame he was not granted such a choice.

http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi3813670937/

This trailer is well worth the wait for it to come up ...

In the description of the movie, IMDB states,

"A dying gunfighter spends his last days looking for a way to die with a minimum of pain and a maximum of dignity. " Nuff said.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on February 27, 2010, 01:11:06 AM
I just got the Conagher dvd, and watched it this afternoon.

What a great movie. My wife really loved it.

I couldn't pick it apart very much. As far as I am concerned, it was one great movie.

For once their period clothing looked pretty good, the firearms were correct for the era.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on February 27, 2010, 01:51:26 PM

How about THE THREE GODFATHERS, with John Wayne.  (His was the 3rd re-make; - apparently)

I really enjoyed it; just the kind of humor one occasionally finds in a John Wayne movie.  Another one with the same general type of humor -- sorta slapstick, sorta not -- is McClintock!  John Wayne, Maureen O'Hara, and many more "name" actors.  I especially liked the free-for-all in the mud... ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on February 27, 2010, 02:32:20 PM
McClintock was a good one.  They even made sure to pronounce it right in the movie.

As far as the Shootist goes, the Duke knew he was dying when he made it.  Prolly why he played the part so well.  In the book it's the kid that finishes him off in the end.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on February 27, 2010, 04:10:24 PM
Leo, You are prolly right about that movie.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on March 02, 2010, 03:46:41 AM
Not that it's anythig to be be proud of Tex but i really talk that way.  Ask Del.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 06, 2010, 12:07:56 PM
No "Gunfight at the OK Corral"?
With Burt Lancaster and Kirk Douglas?

I'll also throw out "The Proposition".  I know its 19th century Australia, but its a western, same as Quigley.

The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford is a great movie and 95% historically accurate.
This is a 2 and half hour movie and is maybe a half hour too long.
 
But having said that, it will manage to conjure up similarly memorable images of 
 the obsession of Scorcese's "Taxi Driver",
 the dementia of Cormac McCarthy's "Blood Meridian",
 the curious juxtaposition between a beautiful snowy winter backdrop,
  the relationship between brothers, the unpredictable acts of desperation
  born of a complexity of dark emotions such as jealousy, fear,
  self-loathing, paranoia, and thoughts of suicide reminiscent of Sam
  Raimi's "A Simple Plan".
 
Brad Pitt's Jesse James is a mean-spirited, sardonic, dangerous, rattlesnake the likes of which haven't been seen since Kalifornia.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 06, 2010, 01:05:34 PM
Also McKenna's Gold with Gregory Peck, probably some others he was in that haven't been mentioned
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on March 06, 2010, 01:42:12 PM
Also McKenna's Gold with Gregory Peck, probably some others he was in that haven't been mentioned

Like "The Big Country"

That was pretty good with Burt Lancaster as his antagonist.

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 06, 2010, 07:53:07 PM
Like "The Big Country"

That was pretty good with Burt Lancaster as his antagonist.

Will Ketchum

Are you sure that wasn't Charlton Heston that was in the "Big Country," instead of Burt Lancaster?

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 06, 2010, 08:13:40 PM
Okay, here is the billboard marquee ...

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 06, 2010, 08:19:09 PM
Looks like the marquee looses definition when blown up ....

So here is the website ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051411/
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on March 06, 2010, 08:20:22 PM
Don't forget "Duel in the Sun" and "The Bravados".
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on March 06, 2010, 08:30:32 PM
Okay, here is the billboard marquee ...



Your right. After I posted it I thought it might have been him.  Oh well at my age I shouldn't depend on my memory :)  Of course I don't like to think of President heston as the bad guy ;)

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 06, 2010, 08:43:36 PM
kcub,

I was right along with you 'til Will brought up Mr Heston ... even then, I had to check ... *S*
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on March 06, 2010, 10:45:55 PM
To go back a few posts, The Proposition is a damn fine movie.  It's brutal and it's bloody but the story reels you in.  If I had a copy of it here I would put it in right now.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 07, 2010, 03:05:30 AM
To go back a few posts, The Proposition is a damn fine movie.  It's brutal and it's bloody but the story reels you in.  If I had a copy of it here I would put it in right now.

Amazon dot Com has copies of it for 14.00 and change. I just ordered it.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 07, 2010, 04:10:04 AM
http://www.walmart.com/cp/Movies-Music-Books/1013239

you can get a whole bunch of 'em dirt cheap at Walmart online,
a lot of collection deals as well

Proposition on blu-ray for $9.86
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 07, 2010, 10:02:23 PM
I bought from Amazon dot com,  three Sam Elliott movies. Two I have seen, and one movie new to me.

This movie is named "Rough Riders." And a damned good movie it is.

The scene of the charge up San Juan Hill was one of the best scripted battle scenes I have seen. Since John Millius directed the movie, I expected nothing less, and I wasn't disappointed.

This movie also has Tom Berenger and Gary Busey. Berenger plays the part of Colonel Theodore Roosevelt, and is pretty good at it. Gary Busey was not as goofy as he normally is, in fact he did a credible job. Other well known actors had small parts in this production. Brian Keith played the part of the President. George Hamilton played the part of William Randolph Hearst.

This movie seems to be a sleeper, as I haven't seen it around before. However, this movie well worth the money, and the time spent viewing it.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 08, 2010, 07:31:25 PM
Was Gary Busey cast as Teddy's horse?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on March 08, 2010, 09:17:06 PM
Was Gary Busey cast as Teddy's horse?

Just one part of the horse.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 09, 2010, 12:06:00 AM
Was Gary Busey cast as Teddy's horse?

Is that supposed to be serious question?

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 09, 2010, 12:16:54 AM
As a man who swears he was in vaudeville in a previous lifetime, I would say that his question is didactic and infers that Mr. Busey is a natural at portraying roles similar to a horses regions ... the hind portions particularly.

Of course, I could be very much mistaken, and bow and apologize if I am found out of order ....

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: mestiza letty on March 09, 2010, 12:31:23 AM
Was Gary Busey cast as Teddy's horse?
No, Teddys' horse was a gentleman was taught to bow. The 16 hand black horse's name was Pony. Gary was never taught manners!! LOL Check out www.movinonlivestock.com and you will find this movie credit and many others, Film,TV & commercials. I am family related though HATED the Hollywood mentality & got the heck 'outta Dodge....
Letty  8) ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: mestiza letty on March 09, 2010, 01:09:32 AM
Just one part of the horse.
OK I'll steal the thread a mite & offer some insight to "Good Westerns" & Crappy ones from the Hollywood perspective...
All principal actors are given "time & allowance" for learning their role. The actor's part is scheduling with whatever special craft is required BEFORE production begins, so that when shooting starts the actor "is believable in character" at finished film screening.
"Some" actors were good at coming for riding lessons to our place (stock contractor hired) and some got "on the job training" & looked like a 'sack of taters" sittin' a saddle  ::) Not much you can work with 'cuz muscle tone 'aint there. Then they became a pain in horse's behind later....
I will say that MOST legendary actors KNEW this going in & honed riding & actually had ridden/owned horses themselves. Hence, most good Westerns are of earlier time periods, when they cared what they looked like "on screen"  :) :)
Sometimes the script is VERY weak & there 'aint much you can do about it but put in a good day's work & grub on the table....
It's all about $$$$ & that's my story & stick'in to it  ;D
Letty  :-X
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 09, 2010, 04:59:28 AM
I just thought Gary Busey looks like he has a big mouth full o' horse teeth.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on March 09, 2010, 10:19:53 AM
I just thought Gary Busey looks like he has a big mouth full o' horse teeth.

The same could be said for his son Jake. :D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Dunson on March 15, 2010, 05:56:24 PM
Well as I'm a John Wayne fan this could take awhile as I have over a hundred of em, but I like Eldorado for the humour also it was the very first one I taped off the tv and as for the best Wayne western well I have no idea I have a hell of a lot of dvd's.
Chisum, Big Jake, Open Range, 7 Men from Now, Chatos Land.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 17, 2010, 04:01:52 AM
To go back a few posts, The Proposition is a damn fine movie.  It's brutal and it's bloody but the story reels you in.  If I had a copy of it here I would put it in right now.

I viewed the movie "The Proposition," today. It could have been a great movie! There was everything to make it so. However, it just didn't have the get up and go, to get it done.

In my mind, a few bloody scenes do not make UP  for an otherwise lackluster movie.

I wasted my money...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PABLO DEL NORTE on March 17, 2010, 09:28:14 AM
 8)     THESE ARE MINE
 
RIO BRAVO                                                           BLAZING SADDLES
SILVERADO                                                           THE CHEROKEE KID
100 RIFLES                                                           SEARGENTS 3
OPEN RANGE
EL DORADO
THE WONDERFUL COUNTRY
YOUNG GUNS
A FEW DOLLARS MORE
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PABLO DEL NORTE on March 17, 2010, 10:33:21 AM
 :-[  DADBURNIT!!  I PLUMB FERGOT ABOUT THESE ONES( I WATCH;EM ALL OVER & OVER. AIN'T NUTHIN' ON TV HARDLY WORTH WATCHIN')

QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER                                       ADIOS AMIGO
THE SACKETTS                                                   MAVERICK
THE STREETS OF LAREDO
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 17, 2010, 01:37:04 PM
I really enjoyed the Assassination of Jesse James.  I thought it was a beautifully photographed movie and largely historically accurate.

I really liked the upstairs bunkhouse gunfight.
2 guys in hot blood emptying their revolvers at each other hardly ever hitting in a room full o' smoke.
I expect that's the way most gunfights actually were, just 2 young hotheads with guns having at it over something stupid.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: stubshaft on March 17, 2010, 10:33:04 PM
QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER

BLAZING SADDLES

THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE

RIO BRAVO

SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON

HIGH NOON
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: mestiza letty on March 18, 2010, 12:26:37 AM
QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER

BLAZING SADDLES

THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE

RIO BRAVO

SHE WORE A YELLOW RIBBON

HIGH NOON
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: mestiza letty on March 18, 2010, 12:33:15 AM
Duh.....
I was going to add I actually saw Blazing Saddles at the drive in but on horseback. A pack of us kids saddled up & parked our horses at the chain link fence. We were outfitted with movie goodies in our own saddle bags. Sheriff dept ran us off but we hid in the bushes 'til they left an finished the movie, then rode home  ;D
Letty
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: kcub on March 18, 2010, 08:55:31 AM
did yall eat beans around a campfire?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: mestiza letty on March 18, 2010, 09:02:08 AM
Feared so  :o
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Federalist on March 24, 2010, 12:31:20 AM
Absolutly Apaloosa!  I like the 10 gauge and the girl sure is purdy! ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 24, 2010, 03:45:54 AM
Absolutly Apaloosa!  I like the 10 gauge and the girl sure is purdy! ;)


All three of them are rabid, anti-gun liberals...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on March 24, 2010, 10:39:36 AM
All three of them are rabid, anti-gun liberals...!

Bill

That makes them hypocrites in my book.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on March 24, 2010, 04:55:39 PM
Absolutly Apaloosa!  I like the 10 gauge and the girl sure is purdy! ;)
All three of them are rabid, anti-gun liberals...!

Bill

With all due respect, Bill, if you apply that standard to all of your movie watching, you better break out the coloring books and pinochle cards 'cause its gonna be a long wait...

How many actors can you name, besides Tom Selleck and Sam Elliott, who personally support the Second Amendment?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on March 24, 2010, 05:04:30 PM
That makes them hypocrites in my book.

You, of course, have the right to that opinion.  To me, they're simply actors playing roles.

Should we have required Charlize Theron to practice serial murder before she played a serial murderer?

Should we have required Anthony Hopkins to engage in cannibalism before playing the role of Hannibal Lecter?

Should we have required Tom Selleck and Laura San Giacomo to nearly die in the Australian outback before making Quigley Down Under?

For that matter, should we have required Tom Selleck to make multiple hits on that bucket, 900+ yards away, from the standing position, before he could play Matthew Quigley?

Somehow I think not.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 24, 2010, 06:26:32 PM
With all due respect, Bill, if you apply that standard to all of your movie watching, you better break out the coloring books and pinochle cards 'cause its gonna be a long wait...

How many actors can you name, besides Tom Selleck and Sam Elliott, who personally support the Second Amendment?

Typical liberal knee jerk remark...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 24, 2010, 06:30:29 PM
That makes them hypocrites in my book.

It absolutely makes them hypocrites... Although fellow Lib-Tards won't like a fellow liberal, called a hypocrite.

Listen to the weeping, the wailing and the gnashing of teeth in the following posts on this thread.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on March 25, 2010, 12:10:14 PM
With all due respect, Bill, if you apply that standard to all of your movie watching, you better break out the coloring books and pinochle cards 'cause its gonna be a long wait...

How many actors can you name, besides Tom Selleck and Sam Elliott, who personally support the Second Amendment?

Typical liberal knee jerk remark...

Bill

You didn't answer the question.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on March 25, 2010, 12:12:50 PM
It absolutely makes them hypocrites... Although fellow Lib-Tards won't like a fellow liberal, called a hypocrite.

Listen to the weeping, the wailing and the gnashing of teeth in the following posts on this thread.

Bill

There you go again.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Camille Eonich on March 25, 2010, 12:38:38 PM
Wow!  This thread is getting a gnarly for a thread on entertainment.  :(


Let's all play nice and recognize that the internet is also a form of entertainment please.   ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Daniel Nighteyes on March 25, 2010, 12:40:52 PM
Wow!  This thread is getting a gnarly for a thread on entertainment.  :(


Let's all play nice and recognize that the internet is also a form of entertainment please.   ;)





<------ Playing nice...  ;) ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on March 25, 2010, 12:48:07 PM
I happen to agree with Daniel and no one who knows me in the slightest would accuse me of being a liberal.

I see a difference in an actor playing a role and someone who takes an anti-American action such as Jane Fonda in her infamous picture on the North Vietnam antiaircraft gun.  She will never see a dime of my money if I can help it and in a different time she would have been charged with treason.

If we limited ourselves to seeing movies that stared only true blue conservatives we wouldn't see very many, if any. ::)

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on March 25, 2010, 01:00:52 PM
The Movie actors have for the most part been liberal in their political views. The State of California is considered more liberal than some parts of the US. Actors have their own opinions just like we do, but we can choose our own opinions. As long as they don't try to force their opinions on me, I don't have a problem with it. We can agree to disagree.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 25, 2010, 05:43:53 PM

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If we limited ourselves to seeing movies that stared only true blue conservatives we wouldn't see very many, if any. ::)

Will Ketchum

Some of you won't like reading this...!

To me, it is a question of a persons moral and political value system... My personal value system says don't support the Hollywood liberal, elite, anti-gun, HYPOCRITES...! They want people like you and I penned up anyway.

I don't need to be entertained by hypocrites. If I don't see, or buy, their latest movie, then I don't put a few pennys in their pockets. And, that makes me personally feel, pretty good. I wouldn't like myself otherwise. I won't compromise my personal frame of reference just to see one of their movies.

Although you may feel different, which is your right, I'm very comfortable with the way I conduct myself.

I met Charleton Heston on the movie set of Will Penny. What a really great man he was. What you saw about him, was what he was all about.

When Charleton Heston was alive, and president of the NRA, I met him many times, and assisted him, at several southern California NRA events. As a result of this Heston invited me to several other non-NRA functions, one particular event, in Beverly Hills. Unknown to me Jane Fonda was there. She stuck her traitorous hand out, to shake my hand. I said to her, right to her face, "I'll be damned if I will do that."

You should have seen the smile on Hestons face.

It's too bad Heston had to die the way he did, with Alzheimers. He was a good Christian gentleman, and like Ronald Reagan, too good a man to pass that way.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on March 25, 2010, 06:11:46 PM
Bill. on the contrary, I don't mind reading what you wrote and I respect you for your opinions and your convictions.  I envy you for having the opportunity to me Mr. Heston and the chance to stick it to the Fonda b!tch.  Perhaps there is or should be a web site that listed which actors were conservatives.

I don't go to many movies any more but I did see "The Book of Elie", which I enjoyed.  I have no idea what Danzel Washington's politics are.

Respectfully
Will Ketchum

Some of you won't like reading this...!

To me, it is a question of a persons moral and political value system... My personal value system says don't support the Hollywood liberal, elite, anti-gun, HYPOCRITES...! They want people like you and I penned up anyway.

I don't need to be entertained by hypocrites. If I don't see, or buy, their latest movie, then I don't put a few pennys in their pockets. And, that makes me personally feel, pretty good. I wouldn't like myself otherwise. I won't compromise my personal frame of reference just to see one of their movies.

Although you may feel different, which is your right, I'm very comfortable with the way I conduct myself.

I met Charleton Heston on the movie set of Will Penny. What a really great man he was. What you saw about him, was what he was all about.

When Charleton Heston was alive, and president of the NRA, I met him many times, and assisted him, at several southern California NRA events. As a result of this Heston invited me to several other non-NRA functions, one particular event, in Beverly Hills. Unknown to me Jane Fonda was there. She stuck her traitorous hand out, to shake my hand. I said to her, right to her face, "I'll be damned if I will do that."

You should have seen the smile on Hestons face.

It's too bad Heston had to die the way he did, with Alzheimers. He was a good Christian gentleman, and like Ronald Reagan, too good a man to pass that way.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on March 25, 2010, 06:38:40 PM
Will, I'm glad to finally meet you and hope you had a good time at the Convention. We might think about showing some Old Westerns at the Convention next year.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on March 26, 2010, 12:52:53 AM
Bill. on the contrary, I don't mind reading what you wrote and I respect you for your opinions and your convictions.  I envy you for having the opportunity to me Mr. Heston and the chance to stick it to the Fonda b!tch.  Perhaps there is or should be a web site that listed which actors were conservatives.

I don't go to many movies any more but I did see "The Book of Elie", which I enjoyed.  I have no idea what Danzel Washington's politics are.

Respectfully
Will Ketchum


Will:
I have went out of my way to read your posts, and your posts from before I found this forum. You stand pretty tall in my sight. Thanks for being here.

I met the Producer of the movie "Will Penny," and he was talkative about starting to work on "Will Penny." I said, "I don't want to become an actor," "I don't think the movie going public is ready for someone like me." "However," "I am running out of a job soon." "Do Have anything I can do?" He said, we'll see. That is usually a brush-off in the movie business.

He came back the next day with an employment application, from his production company, and a studio pass for me. Heston, was a major partner in the production company, and I was hired on as one of Hestons personal assistants for that movie. Mainly, my job was to assist with the continuity of the movie.

Movie scenes aren't all shot, completely, at one time. One important scene can be shot over several days. Continuity is making sure the several actors wore the same hats and clothing, had the same firearms, rode the same horses, hit the same spot, etc, as they did in the begining filming of the scene.

When Heston found out that I was pretty good with a .45 auto, he wanted to learn to shoot one properly. Then, he found out that I knew Jeff Cooper, Heston really wanted to meet him.

If you are active in the shooting scene, in southern California, rifles and pistols mainly, You will be surprised at the people you will meet. I met Jeff Cooper when he formed and lead the South West Pistol league, and sponsored "Leather Slaps," at his Big Bear, CA, place.

Jeff Coopers favorite gunsmith, Jim Hoag, now of Hoag Gun Works, worked in the same gun shop I worked in. At that time we both worked at Kings Gun Works. Jim got me involved in .45 auto shooting, many years before it was called action pistol shooting. Jim and I are still good friends, going on 47 years now. Jim was one of the very best SWPL competitors... Now he is closing in on eighty years old, but Jim is still very, very good. We stilll shoot togeather once a month or so.

Many prominent actors and musicians, and other prominent people patronized Kings Gun Works. Before he died in an airplane crash, Audie Murphy was a frequent customer... All 5' 4" of him.

I met Art Gobel, who was the first pilot to fly to Hawaii non-stop. Gobel won the Dole prize, $25,000.00 for being first to do it.

In South West Pistol League competition, I have shot against Jack Weaver, of the "Weaver Stance" method of shooting fame. I copied his style of shooting for myself. I didn't beat him, but I pushed him very hard.

Jack Weaver passed away a few months ago.

I'm derived from Old Western pioneer stock. I had my conservative convictions and priinciples instilled within me, by my grandfather and Uncles. It's too late for me to compromise with liberalism, a code word for Socialism. I have trouble abiding liberals in any form.

Bill

 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: liten on April 29, 2010, 03:53:19 AM
little big man
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: rep1954 on May 03, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
Once Upon a Time in the West 8)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on May 03, 2010, 09:07:14 PM
I just watched 'The Quick and the Dead' on my new (to me) DVD.

Other than Tom Conti (Who must have thought himself to be in an '80s 'Sherpico' remake), it would be on my best list ...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on May 06, 2010, 12:03:41 AM
I just watched 'The Quick and the Dead' on my new (to me) DVD.

Other than Tom Conti (Who must have thought himself to be in an '80s 'Sherpico' remake), it would be on my best list ...

Actually Ton Conti acted out the roll of a wussy New England immigrant pretty well.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on May 06, 2010, 01:21:39 AM
Bill,

Perhaps I am being too particular, but Mr Conti always looked as if he had just stepped from his trailer, showered, shaved by his barber, etc

At a time when the most fastidious of New Englanders bathed once a week and shaved twice a week, and when General Burnsides had made mutton chop sideburns de rigeur, he jus looked too cleam, too 1980s ...

But again, that is just me ...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on June 16, 2010, 09:56:44 AM
I watched THE HIGH COUNTRY last night.  A good western in the same end-of-the-west genre as The Shootist, Tomj Horn, and also from Sam Peckinpah, The Wild Bunch.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Wolfsburg on July 07, 2010, 10:27:22 PM
For me, if it has John Wayne or Clint Eastwood, there's a good chance I like it, or would like it, but it is hard to pick a singular favorite. Most of the newer Westerns don't really do much for me and personally, I can't stand Kevin Costner (who is in his fair share of them). I'd love to see Eastwood (the last of the Hollywood badasses, and Western film legends) do at least one more Western, but I've heard Unforgiven is considered to be his farewell to the genre.

Anyway...

Some notables for me, in no particular order...

The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Shootist
Rio Bravo
The Cowboys
The Searchers
The Outlaw Josey Wales
Pale Rider
Unforgiven
Hang 'em High
The "No Name" trilogy
True Grit
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on July 07, 2010, 11:38:27 PM
A reel sleeper (pun intended is a movie called 'Valdez is Coming'

Burt Lancaster (in what is considered one of his best acting roles) plays a tired old Mexican sherriff who has just had enough

Besides being a great movie, all the guns are correct and used in a correct manner, and within their capabilities ....

And you can buy it cheaper used from Amazon.com than rent it from Netflicks ... if Netflicks even has it  ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Forty Rod on July 08, 2010, 12:17:46 AM
A reel sleeper (pun intended is a movie called 'Valdez is Coming'

Burt Lancaster (in what is considered one of his best acting roles) plays a tired old Mexican sherriff who has just had enough

Besides being a great movie, all the guns are correct and used in a correct manner, and within their capabilities ....

And you can buy it cheaper used from Amazon.com than rent it from Netflicks ... if Netflicks even has it  ....

Had it on VHS, now I have it on DVD.  One of my favorites, especially the line "I told you.  Something for rabbits."
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 08, 2010, 12:29:08 AM
The movie "Valdez is Coming," is one of my favorite movies. I bought it on VHS first, then on DVD, when that became available.

Valdez was a deputy sheriff on the "Mexican side of town."

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on July 08, 2010, 02:10:34 AM
Forty Rod ...

Can't ask for a better recommendation ...

Now I have to watchit again to find that quote ... LOL
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Josie Wales on August 05, 2010, 11:24:18 PM
Howdy fellas.  My top ten would probably look something like this:

The Outlaw Josey Wales
Jeremiah Johnson (probably not a western in the traditional sense but still a great movie)
Winchester 73
The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Rio Bravo
Pale Rider
Night Passage
Unforgiven
Seven Ways from Sundown
Tombstone


Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: dangerranger on August 06, 2010, 02:31:41 AM
Heres one of my favorites The Rounders, I always liked it because the carictures were most like the real cowboys I grew up with didnt take a whole lot to make them happy, never was a whole lot of money in what they were doing, but fun was fun. DR
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mogorilla on August 06, 2010, 12:07:24 PM
Hate to say this, but Burt Lancaster stood tall and proud as a liberal in liberal Hollywood.   I still like his movies as politics really don' mean much to me, no one listens to a libertarian anyway.
From Burt's Bio on the Internet Movie Data Base.

During the late 1950s John Wayne approached Lancaster, suggesting they make a western together. Lancaster laughed off the idea, suggesting they would need Kirk Douglas in the film as well. In reality, Lancaster would not work with Wayne, Hollywood's most prominent Republican supporter who had been actively involved in the McCarthy witch hunts as a founding member and later President of the right-wing Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals. Lancaster had only agreed to co-star opposite Gary Cooper, a moderate Republican who gave a vague testimony to the House Unamerican Activities Committee (HUAC) in 1947, after Cooper had starred in the anti-McCarthyism western High Noon (1952). Despite this, Lancaster joined a minute's silence for Wayne on 11 June 1979 while filming Cattle Annie and Little Britches (1981) after Wayne died in Los Angeles.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Federalist on August 25, 2010, 10:35:39 PM
All three of them are rabid, anti-gun liberals...!

Bill

They sure enough are liberal, but the girl isa still purdy!  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: buffalo bill on August 26, 2010, 10:11:21 AM
Gentlemen, the question was regarding our favorite westerns. I would like to humbly suggest we leave the politics to a different time and place so that we may enjoy this forum TOGETHER like it was intended. Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on August 26, 2010, 10:57:32 AM
Seraphim Falls is one of my new favorites.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Federalist on August 31, 2010, 04:38:43 PM
I agree with keepin on topic!  I just watched "Stagecoach" for the first time an that was an excellent movie for it's time.  It has a star studded cast that was not well known at the time and a purdy good storyline. ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Duke York on August 31, 2010, 10:19:13 PM
Favourite Western?       Impossible!

Some of my favourites:

Audie Murphy         Ride Clear of Diablo, Night Passage, Duel at Silver Creek, Tumblweed. Six Black Horses, Posse from Hell
Joel McCrea            Colorado Territory, Lone Hand, Wichita, Buffalo Bill
Greg Peck              Duel in the Sun, Stalking Moon, McKenna's Gold, Big Country
Randy Scott           Man in the Saddle, Ride Lonesome, Abilene Town, Riding Shotgun, The Tall T.

Duke York
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Crow Choker on September 06, 2010, 07:32:06 AM
As much as I love Lonesome Dove, Open Range, Seraphim Falls, The Long Riders, Appaloosa, Dead Man's Walk, Commanche Moon, Quigley Down Under, Pale Rider, Crossfire Trail, and Last Stand at Saber River------the prize and all time favorite has to be and is "The Outlaw Josey Wales"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wore out my old VHS copy, bought a dvd player and dvd of Josey, and recently bought anothr dvd of it 'in case' the current one gives up. If I had a hundred bill for everytime I've watched it, I could take alot of time off from work. Gleaned alot of lines from it--"Buzzards gotta eat same as worms","Real frog strangler", "Endeavor to Persevere"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Need more like it, wish Clint would make another along similar lines.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on September 06, 2010, 03:34:51 PM
OK. I'll throw my hat in the ring.

A man Called Horse
The Red Headed Stranger (with Willy Nelson)
The Missouri Breaks
Tom Horn
Ride with the Devil
Bad Company
Wild Bill
Tombstone
Rough Riders
Gunfighters Moon
3:10 To Yuma (both versions)
Dead Man
The Wild Bunch
Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
The Last Outlaw
7 faces of Dr. Lao
Hidalgo
There Will Be blood
Johnson County War
The  Culpepper Cattle Company
Ned Kelly
Broken Trail (Heath Ledger version)
Any Western with Tom Selleck or Sam Elliott
Pat Garret and Billy the Kid
Young Guns 1 and 2
Quick and the Dead (both versions)
High Noon (both versions)
Riders of the Purple Sage
The Jack Bull
Mcabe and Mrs Miller
The Grey Fox
The Long Riders
Barbarosa
Appaloosa
All John Wayne Westerns
The entire HBO series Deadwood.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Drayton Calhoun on September 27, 2010, 10:51:34 PM
I really gotta agree with Trinty and Scattered Thumbs..more westerns need to be made!!!  I can't figure out what the problem is with the "Powers that be" film making wise...Are they so sure that the Western is a dead horse these days?  It can't be budget...I mean look at how much it cost to make "The Titanic" and other movies since...One problem I guess, is that there is not a western "star" coming up...Sam Elliot and Tom Selleck are both getting a bit old...(although that didn't stop The Duke") so who do we have coming up to replace them?  Anybody?
I have to admit, it is getting hard to find actors that could fill the bill. Sadly, much of it is because of politics and 'the art' if you understand what I mean.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Harley Starr on September 28, 2010, 02:08:40 AM
I have to admit, it is getting hard to find actors that could fill the bill. Sadly, much of it is because of politics and 'the art' if you understand what I mean.

I agree with DC.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Slow Motion Bob on October 18, 2010, 09:28:59 AM
Howdy,

some of my  favorite Western is:  Open Range

than                                     : The Outlaw Josey Wales, the Title in Germany is :  The Texan   

Than followed: Broken Trail, than few John Wayne Western ( the Best to my mind is Red River )

furthermore: Appaloosa, Alamo ( the old and new Version ) Colorado Saga, Jeremiah Jonson, Quigeley ( ok the Country is Australian ).

My first Western if have seen is as Child is Union Pacific . I like this movie because of Memories.

Greetings

Bob

PS: sorry for my simple English  :-[ . It`s a mix from School English (before 35 Years) and some vocabele from Leo Translating Programm   ;).
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on October 18, 2010, 10:45:52 AM
Howdy,

some of my  favorite Western is:  Open Range

than                                     : The Outlaw Josey Wales, the Title in Germany is :  The Texan  

Than followed: Broken Trail, than few John Wayne Western ( the Best to my mind is Red River )

furthermore: Appaloosa, Alamo ( the old and new Version ) Colorado Saga, Jeremiah Jonson, Quigeley ( ok the Country is Australian ).

My first Western if have seen is as Child is Union Pacific . I like this movie because of Memories.

Greetings

Bob

PS: sorry for my simple English  :-[ . It`s a mix from School English (before 35 Years) and some vocabele from Leo Translating Programm   ;).


Don't feel ashamed of your english language ability. You, are very understandable.

If you want to hear poor, ungramatical use of a language, you should hear me try to speak German...

The English language, so I'm told, is one of the hardest to learn and use properly. I think who ever said that is right. It's like shooting, it needs much practice, so keep posting and practicing here.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Slow Motion Bob on October 19, 2010, 04:18:03 PM
Don't feel ashamed of your english language ability. You are, very understandable.

Thank You very mutch  :). I will give my best  that you all can understand me  ;).

Bob
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on October 20, 2010, 08:53:27 PM
No problem with your english Bob. Most people that speak english are hard to understand.  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on October 20, 2010, 11:08:30 PM
Thank You very mutch  :). I will give my best  that you all can understand me  ;).

Bob

You are very welcome..

Glad you're on the forum.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: vintagearms on December 23, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
Ill chime in

Blazing Saddles
Mclintoch
Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean  when i was in sass i was Nick the Grub and still think whorehouse Lucky Jim is best character name ever
Jerimiah Johnson 
The Trinity series
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on December 23, 2010, 06:52:23 PM
Actually, Bob, it is BECAUSE you wwere taught the King's English that you might have a problem being understood by an American from the USA ... we use so much slang and shortcuts that proper Enlish is almost a foreign tongue ...

Or as George Bernard Shaw wo eloquently put it, 'England and America are two countryies separated by a common language.'

Don't let if get you down (see what I mean about slang?) ... when I was a Air Force dependent in France in the early 60's, we often had Scandinavian Nannies who worked as au peres so that they could learn 'American'... and they always had to drop the formal English  they were taught and learn slang that probably would have turned their English teachers livid ...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Griff on December 25, 2010, 11:01:14 PM
Actually, Bob, it is BECAUSE you wwere taught the King's English that you might have a problem being understood by an American from the USA ... we use so much slang and shortcuts that proper Enlish is almost a foreign tongue ...
Or as George Bernard Shaw wo eloquently put it, 'England and America are two countryies separated by a common language.'
Don't let if get you down (see what I mean about slang?) ... when I was a Air Force dependent in France in the early 60's, we often had Scandinavian Nannies who worked as au peres so that they could learn 'American'... and they always had to drop the formal English  they were taught and learn slang that probably would have turned their English teachers livid ...
Heck, try growin' up in household where Mum was quite the rebellious English lass, GrandMum was quite Victorian in speech and attitudes, Dad was a WWII Vet attending nite school to get his GED and his Mom was an uneducated pure Tennessee hillbilly that was probably the smartest of the lot!  Language was an art form.  Between Dad with his belt, if he thought you were dis-respecting him and GrandMum with the handle off a croquet mallet if you spoke improperly.  Kept a boy on his toes!!! 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on December 26, 2010, 01:11:47 AM
I can only imagine ....

One would have to incline or decline his use of the language depending on who one was speaking to ....

With universal English kind of taking over, I imagine that it is not as bad as it was ....

Still, when a cabbie told me to to go the loo in the tram station , and that I could leave my car in the Lorry Park ...I knew that I needed an interpreter ....

Then when someone asked me if I wanted to step outside and have a fag ... I  declined ... it was only later I found out he was referring to a cigarette .....

And it would always be fun to figure out how many GIs were slapped over the phrase, 'Knock me up in the morning' ...LOL
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on December 26, 2010, 01:25:58 AM
Rereading this, I fear I may have insulted a portion of our readers ... none of these comments were meant to make anyone, anytime uncomfortable ... My utmost appologies if anyone was put off ...

But all these comments were actually made to me while doing three or four day TDYs to Great Britain in the mid '70s ...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on December 27, 2010, 05:43:13 PM
No problems with me. I watched so much Brittish TV in my life I understand their slang almost as well as I understand ours. I also have a few friends in the UK who keep in touch and I love to hear them using the slang they are familiar with. Brings a smile to my face every time.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Trinity on January 03, 2011, 12:13:52 PM
Ill chime in

Blazing Saddles
Mclintoch
Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean  when i was in sass i was Nick the Grub and still think whorehouse Lucky Jim is best character name ever
Jerimiah Johnson 
The Trinity series


Yes!  Chalk up another one for my absolute favorites! ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
Rereading this, I fear I may have insulted a portion of our readers ... none of these comments were meant to make anyone, anytime uncomfortable ... My utmost appologies if anyone was put off ...

But all these comments were actually made to me while doing three or four day TDYs to Great Britain in the mid '70s ...

It's nothing to get hung about.  Try Cockney, that is the ultimate slang.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 05, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
Leo,

One of my passive hobbies is the entymology of words ... and one of my favoriets is Cockney ...

One of the first 'humanistic' psychiatric hospitals was called Bethlehem Hospital in the middle of the region where Cockney was spoken ....

But the Cockneys could not pronounce Bethlehem properly; it came out as Bedlam ...

So now any crazy/out of control situalion is now called a bedlam ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 10:26:15 AM
Leo,

One of my passive hobbies is the entymology of words ... and one of my favoriets is Cockney ...

One of the first 'humanistic' psychiatric hospitals was called Bethlehem Hospital in the middle of the region where Cockney was spoken ....

But the Cockneys could not pronounce Bethlehem properly; it came out as Bedlam ...

So now any crazy/out of control situalion is now called a bedlam ....

I'll go round the Johny Orner to the Libby and have a sneak.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 05, 2011, 10:42:34 AM
'Kay,

You have my undivided attention ...

What did you just say?

Reminds me of George Bernard Shaw's quote about England and America being two counties separated by a common language ... *S*
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 10:50:37 AM
Not to go so far off topic but I said I would go around the corner to the library to look it up.  I love languages and that one always seemed the most difficult to understand.  There doesn't seem to be any rules.  Not a single mule in this walk.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 05, 2011, 10:58:31 AM
Too true ...

When my father was stationed in France, we had a finnish Nanny who came to work for us, not for the money (although I suppose that was nice). Here real purpose for being there was to learn American ...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 11:23:16 AM
I feel shame when I look at the urban dictionary.  We let the language get wrecked.  One more reason I like westerns, no one says "yo peeps" or uses the dumb izzle suffix.  Kids are talking around me and I have no idea what they are saying.  I just shoot em some Latin or Gaelic so we are even.  ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 05, 2011, 04:33:34 PM
Sigh, you are so right ... and it seems like every generation developes an idiom or so to separate itself from the current generation ... in my own generation ... I have seen it go from hep cats to bitchin' dudes to peeps ... and I am scared to see where we go while I am still around .....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
Out here it got to be where every noun has the adjective that begins with an f.  I hear that and tell the offender that that is a verb and has no place in the sentence.  They all hate me.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 05, 2011, 06:52:16 PM
I go a bit further and tell them that using the  "F" word for every thing just is a big red flag that shows the speaker has no vocabulary, creative ability or education ... and for that I am rebuked ... imagine!... lol.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 07:15:54 PM
Try telling them the origin of the word and see what it gets you.  Takes all the fun out of saying it.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on January 05, 2011, 07:50:36 PM
I go a bit further and tell them that using the  "F" word for every thing just is a big red flag that shows the speaker has no vocabulary, creative ability or education ... and for that I am rebuked ... imagine!... lol.

I agree with your supposition on the education of the idiot using those words.

The "F" word is an acronym that really means fornicating under the consent of the King. This came about because serf's could not afford to have an expensive Church wedding in the middle ages. The common people were given a document by a public official, that allowed people to legally live together, under the consent of the King, in spite of the middle ages churchs' opposition to them living together without the blessing of a proper, and expensive, church ceremony.

Then there is the "S" word that came from ship high in transite. Cattle and horse manure used to be shipped by ocean going ships. These ships leaked and the manure would become wet and start giving off methan gas again. Somebody would go down into the hold with a lantern, which had an open flame, which would cause the ship to blow up. Thus, the word came from the Acronym ship high in transite, meaning above the reach of bilge water, which was stenciled on the bags holding the manure.

Therefore, these acronyms aren't real words... They really don't mean much, in the larger scheme of things, except that polite people don't use them. And, neither does the idiot that keeps braying these words about in their conversation, mean very much in the grand scheme of things either.

Once there was a foul mouthed individual that was carrying on a conversation a few feet away from my wife and I. It seemed like every other word out of this fellow's mouth was the "F" word. I very politely asked him if he would please be careful of his language, because my wife was a lady, and as that, deserved respect. As I expected, he jumped up and exploded with many curse words. An over hand right, set up by a hard left jab, caused him to subside into blissful slumber.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 05, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
You are 100% correct SW.  The only difference I know is that it had more to do with the spread of the plague and an examination was required for all women.  Given the times, the church thing is very possible.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 05, 2011, 09:31:41 PM
My favorite special meaning was 'son of a gun' ... don't know how many times I used that until I found out its historical meaning ....

It seems that for about a hundred year the Briish would fill the holds of thieir ship with minor criminals ... so if you owed money, were drunk and disorderly in public, or some such, you would be trudgeoned and find yourself , when you awoke, a British Seaman with seven years hard service to go through ...

So when these ships reached port, they could not very well let thse men go ashore and drink and  ....

So the officers would allow 'soiled doves' to be rowed out to the boat and 'entertain' by tying hammocks between the cannons on the belowdecks .....

And any incidental offspring of one of the unions between a impressed sailor and a 'fallen woman' was referred to as a 'Son of a Gun' ////

I'm just sayin'
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 06, 2011, 08:20:15 AM
I bet the fellow that wrote, "Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition" did not know that.  In the song a priest 'mans the gun' and a 'son of a gun of a gunner was he'.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 06, 2011, 09:47:16 AM
Leo,

Probably .... I don't think that it is well known ... I got it from an obscure book on naval and sailing colloquialisms ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on January 06, 2011, 10:13:06 AM
You'd be surprised at how many folks don't fully understand "loose cannon".  Nothing to do with powder or shot, just a big hunk of metal smashing the hull apart in rough seas.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 06, 2011, 10:19:21 AM
I have crewed on an aircraft where something big and heavy broke loose during turbulence .... I can only imagine .... but actually I don't even want to imagine *S*
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Drayton Calhoun on January 26, 2011, 06:14:48 PM
Think about Rustler's Rhapsody when Andy Griffith tells one of his men to throw another faggot on the fire...interesting looks all around. Any way, favorite western, Escape from Fort Bravo, Pale Rider too many to list really.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Old Doc on January 28, 2011, 05:21:44 PM
I used to apologize for "poking" female patients when examining them. I stopped that after seeing Lonesome Dove.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: joec on February 03, 2011, 06:03:32 PM
Pretty much any of the Eastwood westerns over the years. However some such as Lonesome Dove, How the West was Won, Quigley Down Under and others would also be there.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Drayton Calhoun on February 08, 2011, 06:53:30 PM
I have crewed on an aircraft where something big and heavy broke loose during turbulence .... I can only imagine .... but actually I don't even want to imagine *S*
Kinda like being on an overloaded twin-engined helo and having a compressor stall on one engine...in the immortal words of Bill Cosby, first you say it then you do it! LOL
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on February 08, 2011, 09:53:54 PM
I think, when they finally find the black box, the final words of at least one crewmember will be "OHHH SHHHHH"
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on February 08, 2011, 11:38:42 PM
I imagine there would be the murmur of prayer in the back ground as well.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on February 08, 2011, 11:51:47 PM
Leo,

We can only hope ... but I think that my Phillistine mouth would overload my mind in the heat of the moment ... then if I had time before impact I would probably get that prayer in ... and I don't think I am very much different from most crewmembers ... sigh ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: rosinghania on July 31, 2011, 03:06:57 AM
On my top list, it will definitely be Unforgiven.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on August 20, 2011, 12:23:08 AM
NED KELLY is on the box right now!  Not sure I can stay up long enough to get to the end.

I do have a DVD of THE PROPOSITION.  A bit brutal but a good show.  I think these two movies about Australia's badmen are pretty good.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Old Doc on August 20, 2011, 12:45:00 AM
NED KELLY is on the box right now!  Not sure I can stay up long enough to get to the end.

I do have a DVD of THE PROPOSITION.  A bit brutal but a good show.  I think these two movies about Australia's badmen are pretty good.

Mick Jagger ?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on August 20, 2011, 01:01:33 AM
Mick Jagger ?

I saw Mick Jaeger in an Australian "outback" movie. It wasn't all that bad either.

If I could remember the name of it, I would buy it and watch the whole thing.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on August 20, 2011, 09:05:27 AM
NED KELLY is on the box right now!  Not sure I can stay up long enough to get to the end.

I do have a DVD of THE PROPOSITION.  A bit brutal but a good show.  I think these two movies about Australia's badmen are pretty good.

The Proposition is very harsh but a good story.  That man had a hard choice to make.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on August 22, 2011, 01:45:27 PM
I saw Mick Jaeger in an Australian "outback" movie. It wasn't all that bad either.

If I could remember the name of it, I would buy it and watch the whole thing.

Bill

Mick was in the old version of Ned Kelly. The new one with Heath Ledger is better in my opinion, but the Jagger one is fun to watch. Kinda funny watching Mick try his hand at an Australian accent.  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on August 22, 2011, 04:47:28 PM
Mick was in the old version of Ned Kelly. The new one with Heath Ledger is better in my opinion, but the Jagger one is fun to watch. Kinda funny watching Mick try his hand at an Australian accent.  ;D

Amazon had both, and at a good price, so I ordered both.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: pistol1911 on December 04, 2011, 08:39:13 AM
The Big Country with Greg Peck.Great music with super supporting cast.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Hess Coakley on February 13, 2012, 12:39:06 PM
Has to be The Searchers both the movie and the book.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on February 15, 2012, 03:13:40 PM
+ 1 for the Searchers with Duke. He should have gotten an Oscar for hir portrayl of Ethan Edwards.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Bugscuffle on September 20, 2012, 03:22:24 PM
Rustlers Rhapsody, hands down the funniest western ever made.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Leo Tanner on September 20, 2012, 07:58:41 PM
Rustlers Rhapsody, hands down the funniest western ever made.

I love the way they depict the difference between American and spagetti westerns.  That was a funny movie.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Slickshot on September 27, 2012, 11:05:36 PM


IMO, it would have to be between "The Shootist" with John Wayne and "Tombstone" with Kurt Russel....


Best western Series - goes to the first and second season's of "The Virginian".


Slickshot
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on September 28, 2012, 09:21:17 AM
The Magnificent Seven! bar none
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: restless wind on December 12, 2012, 04:40:26 PM
Favorite movie, Lonesome Dove
Favorite book, too many to list, For authenticity I favor Elmer Kelton, Mike Blakeley, Winn Blevins, Will Henry, Matt Braun occasionally.
For pure western fiction, Zane Grey.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cyrille on December 12, 2012, 06:18:30 PM
Well I won't say that it is my "favorite" westren novel. However I recently finished a book titled "Doc" about Doc Holiday written by Mary Doria Russell. She makes Doc real IMO not some greater than life tragic anti-hero. Reminded me a lot of Kirk Douglas'  sympathaic portrayal of him in "Gun fight at OK Corral" A book that is IMO worth the read.
 To tell the truth, I really don't have a "favorite" western novel or bio. A good story is a a good story. I tend to enjoy them reguardless.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: restless wind on December 14, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
Well I won't say that it is my "favorite" westren novel. However I recently finished a book titled "Doc" about Doc Holiday written by Mary Doria Russell. She makes Doc real IMO not some greater than life tragic anti-hero. Reminded me a lot of Kirk Douglas'  sympathaic portrayal of him in "Gun fight at OK Corral" A book that is IMO worth the read.
 To tell the truth, I really don't have a "favorite" western novel or bio. A good story is a a good story. I tend to enjoy them reguardless.

Matt Braun has a good version about Holliday.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on December 16, 2012, 05:34:53 PM
"The Searchers"
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Russ McCrae on December 17, 2012, 07:43:52 AM
Hannah's Law in the Redbox rental kiosks was pretty good, had Danny Glover and Billy Zane in it. The guy that does Doc Holliday in it did a good job I thought
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on January 19, 2013, 11:21:43 AM
I was born under a wonderin star~~Paint your Wagon :) :) :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: joec on January 19, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
I would have to say the Lonesome Dove series after watching all of the movies/mini series  based on Larry McMurtry's books as well as the ones he didn't write but keep the characters and filled in the blanks such Return to Lonesome Dove as well as the TV series both years they are by far the best westerns I've seen to date. I really couldn't tell they had been written by the same person or different people but they all seemed to follow the plot to a tee over a generation or two.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Rawhidesmith on January 21, 2013, 06:14:02 AM
Lonesome Dove, Rio Bravo, True Grit (the original), The Wild Bunch, Outlaw Josey Wales....... MOVIES

Rawhide, Daniel Boone, Wagon Train, Have Gun, Will Travel.........TV
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Texas Lawdog on January 22, 2013, 12:50:12 AM
It's neat to see all the old TV westerns that I grew up watching in the 50s and 60s, which I consider the "Golden Age of TV Westerns", the Western Channel is running a lot of them these days.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on January 22, 2013, 01:34:34 AM
Favorite Western?

Gee, how about if I tell you about the worst Western I ever saw and worst sex I ever had--both were amazing.

Hell, I could not pick the best Western of the last 10 years.  Too many great ones to pick a best, I would have to list at least 20 films.  If you had to show 5 Westerns to a person to give them a feel for the Genre, I'd take (in no order)  1.  Every Western with John Wayne; 2. Every Western with Jimmy Stewart, 3. Every Western with Eastwood, 4. Every Western with Charlton . . . oh to hell with this.

One I don't think I saw perusing these lists was The Missing with Cate Blanchett and Tommy Lee Jones--worth a watch.  Another I did not see on anyone's lists might be McCabe and Mrs. Miller.  The new Appaloosa (old one decent as well).

Modern Westerns, such as Lone Star, deserve a nod in my opinion, too.

Favorite Western Book so far? Charlie Siringo's autobiography. 

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on January 22, 2013, 10:21:25 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbiRDNaDeo[/youtube]
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Old Doc on January 22, 2013, 08:44:30 PM
What the hell was that? It looked like Gabby Hayes singing l saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on January 22, 2013, 10:29:34 PM
One of the best movies ever made,,, and i quote "Elizibeth,there will be three for dinner" ! ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Old Doc on January 22, 2013, 11:24:37 PM
If you say so . ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on January 22, 2013, 11:43:15 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0idoJnBAvk[/youtube]
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on January 22, 2013, 11:52:14 PM
 ;D

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jLT-XLFeh4[/youtube]
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ranger Joe on February 05, 2013, 10:14:16 AM
My favourites are both from roughly the same year, and were (along with the books of Louis L'Amour) probably the first things to kindle my interest in the Old West.

They are Silverado, and Pale Rider.

Another two classics that I haven't seen for years, but were shown on TV recently are; Little Big Man, and A Man Called Horse.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on February 05, 2013, 11:04:57 AM
The movie ARIZONA is great.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on February 05, 2013, 01:51:10 PM
My favorite are "ElDorado" with The Duke(Coal Thornton, Robert Mitchum(J.P.Harrah), James Caan(Mississippi) and whatever the old guy's name was (Bull in the movie.),
"Rio Bravo" With the Duke(John Chance), Dean Martin(Dude), Ricky Nelson(Colorado), Walter Brennan(Stumpy), and John Russell(Nathan Burdette) and
"Rio Lobo" with the Duke(Cord McNally), Jorge Rivero (Frenchy), Christopher Mitchum (Tuscarora Phillips) and Jack Elam (Old man Phillips).  Great Shows.

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mike McCain on February 21, 2013, 08:40:35 PM
The movie ARIZONA is great.

I agree.  I'd never heard of it before but found it on www.westernsontheweb.com
Downloaded it because it had Jean Arthur (from Shane) and a very young William Holden.  Quality of the download is very good.  Burned it onto a dvd and watched it on the big TV.  Commercial dvds are also available at ebay and other sources.

Good story and great acting.  Made in 1940.  Nominated for a couple Academy Awards.  A forgotten treasure now.  Check it out.

Mike
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Grenadier on February 22, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The Shooting, but I have a special spot for High Noon.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PABLO DEL NORTE on May 21, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
-RIO BRAVO
-SILVERADO
-100 RIFLES
-TOMBSTONE
-THE SEARCHERS
-OPEN RANGE
-EL DORADO
-THE TRACKERS
-QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER

BTW, SAMMY DAVIS,JR. WAS THE FASTEST GUN IN HOLLYWOOD. KNOWN FACT YA'LL!!    :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: GunClick Rick on May 21, 2013, 08:33:19 PM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6aNzFYHyz8[/youtube] :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on May 21, 2013, 11:08:52 PM
-RIO BRAVO
-SILVERADO
-100 RIFLES
-TOMBSTONE
-THE SEARCHERS
-OPEN RANGE
-EL DORADO
-THE TRACKERS
-QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER

BTW, SAMMY DAVIS,JR. WAS THE FASTEST GUN IN HOLLYWOOD. KNOWN FACT YA'LL!!    :)

Not any more...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Slickshot on May 27, 2013, 10:49:18 PM
Sammy Davis Jr.  was without question a Very talented man... Singing, acting, and in gunplay...


One of the True Greats!   Don't find those types around much today.

Slickshot
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on May 28, 2013, 12:08:55 AM
-RIO BRAVO
-SILVERADO
-100 RIFLES
-TOMBSTONE
-THE SEARCHERS
-OPEN RANGE
-EL DORADO
-THE TRACKERS
-QUIGLEY DOWN UNDER

BTW, SAMMY DAVIS,JR. WAS THE FASTEST GUN IN HOLLYWOOD. KNOWN FACT YA'LL!!    :)

Living as I have, in the western part of Los Angeles (Called Beverly Hills Adjacent), and having worked in Beverly Hills for several years, during my work life. The Western actors I met always named Glen Ford as the fastest draw of any Western Star.

An authority on the subject was Jimmy Stewart, who also told me that.

A shooting range I have patronized for over forty years, Angeles Shooting Ranges, always had many Movie actors and other movie people, patroizing the place. There is where I also heard that general consensus.

I saw Hugh O'Brian, on a TV show, demonstrage his fast draw against timers and he was the fastest I have ever SEEN, except for a Montana man named Ed McGivern, whom I saw demonstrage his fast draw at a fair, when I was a little kid growing up in Montana.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on May 28, 2013, 09:59:55 AM
In that video, Davis is not using a 4 3/4 inch colt.  Nice
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Black Spot on June 13, 2013, 10:25:34 AM
Ford was fastest actor
Davis was a comedian
IIRC
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on June 13, 2013, 03:42:47 PM
Ford was fastest actor
Davis was a comedian
IIRC

I agree

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on June 14, 2013, 08:46:18 PM
Where's that put "The King of Cowboys" Roy Rogers?  I've always heard he was fast.  In fact, I've heard it said that he would outdraw John Wayne.   I reserve the right to be wrong...

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on June 14, 2013, 10:16:47 PM
Arvo Ojala had them all beat hands down.  A little history and info from the Fast Draw Association:

http://www.cowboyfastdraw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=26 (http://www.cowboyfastdraw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42&Itemid=26)

During the 1950s there became a need in Hollywood for gun coaches and trainers for many of the movie actors who needed to become proficient with six-guns.  Arvo Ojala was the most popular coach to the stars and his pupils have become a 'who's who' list of celebrities including Sammy Davis Jr., Frank Sinatra, Jerry Lewis, Dale Robertson, James Arness and Hugh O'Brian to name a few.  Arvo was also a noted maker of fast draw holsters, but he was most famous for getting gunned down by Marshal Matt Dillon in the opening segment each and every week in the longest running TV western in history, "Gunsmoke."  Arvo once told me that the royalties that he earned from that one scene paid for many Cadillacs over the years.

And this biography on Ojala:

http://secretsofthefastdraw.com/biography/ (http://secretsofthefastdraw.com/biography/)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Shawnee McGrutt on June 23, 2013, 07:42:21 AM
I'll throw my two cents worth into this.
1. Quigley Down Under
2. Crossfire Trail
3. The Cowboys
4 Open Range
5. Appaloosa
These are the top five horse operas in my opinon.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Octagonal Barrel on July 05, 2013, 05:21:17 AM
For me,
True Grit (the recent Coen Bros. one)
Appaloosa
The Proposition (really, an Austrailian, but so close to the Western genre I'll add it anyway).
Cheyenne Social Club (for comedy).
I liked Wyatt Earp well, better than Tombstone, but I'm not sure I'd put either film in the same category as the top 3 I mentioned.
For a series, Deadwood is pretty extroardinary for a number of reasons.  But I think I'd still hold to the first 3 above as my favorites.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on July 05, 2013, 07:32:08 PM
Uh, petrinal, everybody already knows that Hollywierd is full of lies, exaggeration, and all that crap.  Nobody needed to be told that.

Another thing we didn't need was to have our nation insulted the day after our 247th year of Independence. 

Now, let's all get back to the topic of good movies, instead of political......stuff.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The movie "Gold is Where you find it"  is pretty good.  We watched it at out local theater yesterday.  Most of the outdoor scenes were filmed in my county, at the LaGrange gold mine in 1937-38.  I did happen to see a rifle that looks suspiciously like mine in the show too.  :)  Hanging on the wall of a house.  How can anyone not like George Hays?

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 05, 2013, 08:04:20 PM

The scene of the charge up San Juan Hill was one of the best scripted battle scenes I have seen. Since John Millius directed the movie, I expected nothing less, and I wasn't disappointed.

This movie also has Tom Berenger and Gary Busey. Berenger plays the part of Colonel Theodore Roosevelt, and is pretty good at it. Gary Busey was not as goofy as he normally is, in fact he did a credible job. Other well known actors had small parts in this production. Brian Keith played the part of the President. George Hamilton played the part of William Randolph Hearst.

This movie seems to be a sleeper, as I haven't seen it around before. However, this movie well worth the money, and the time spent viewing it.

Bill



as  a matter of fact, it is one of the worse "western movies" I have ever seen.  Absolute hollywood scum, that has little to do with reality. By the way, in the San  Juan Hill we the spanish didnt have  neither machine guns nor german advisers (it seems so in teh movie). We just had some artillery (cordite, not BP) and Mausers (and probably some rolling blocks) and guts...


of course, in the best Hollywood tradition, the film denigrates spanish soldiers and glorifies american troops,  specially Theodore Roosevelt , forgetting the fact that  it was 21,000 american troops against 1700 spanish fighters, who fought to the last drop of blood.

In fact, 300 spanish soldiers, the survivers from those 1700, contained a troop of more than 20,000 americans during a whole day. Only 8 spanish soldiers finally  survived when the americans took the position. Their captain, Patricio de Antonio, after ending all ammo for their Mauser rifles, ordered his men to use their bayonets....ready to give their last drop of blood. ...maybe these soldiers deserved a movie too..... but for Hollywood and the american public, they didnt exists or were just...dirty spanish troops...who, by the way, wore a uniform much more adequate for a tropical weather than the more stylish american uniform..


 let me add that the famous attack, by the Rough Riders,  which fougth on foot that time, save Teddy,  who by the way didnt use a single action by a COLT navy double action in 38 colt, didnt happen until the spanish position was fully bombed, and Theodore Roosevelt´s famous assault, is, according to most serious historians...overexagerated by himself. He was mounted, but the rought riders attacked..when the spanish were...almost fully exterminated.

the several attacks by the american troops, failing to gain the spanish position, leaving thousands of death in every trial, was  determinant factor in the adoption of the MAUSER TYPE RIFLE, by the americans, the famous Springfield years later, as the american were highly impressed by the resistance of the spanish fighters plus the obvious cadence and advantages of the MAUSER 98 rifle, used by the Spanish, the best rifle of it´s time. I repeat, no machine guns in the spanish side, that belongs to Millious´s imagination.

the movie, besides his  patriotric manipulations of history, overexagerating, is plagued by poor acting, a really mediocre soundtrack and a horrible photography.


in general Hollywood has deformed and falsified history, making us believeing what probably never existed or was  totally  different. A tradition inherited from period fiction writers, who transformed a showman, like BUFFALO BILL, into the most famous person of his time.

by the way, Cuba was not freed by american troops...they just invaded the country and became it  into an american colony...sending out the spanish and the european investors, like the british, who owned the railroads. America didnt free Cuba, they just...took it for them.,  in other words, a banana republic under the USA hands. That created a great antiamerican feeling in the population that finally  ended in a communist revolution. Today is probably the most antiamerican nation in the world.

that type of policy, started mainly by Teddy Roosevelt, of  involving military in foreign affairs, has led the USA to failure after failure in foreign policy, creating more problems than solving them. That´s why Teddy Roosevelt is not much admired outside the USA, besides his overexagerated stories about SAN JUAN HILL....he  obviously created himself his legend,  with political goals, that outside the USA are seen... as quite controversial. We just dont believe much in heroes in this part of the world. They stink.

if Teddy was on a horse, being the only one so, according to his own words, he would have become a primary target, and his chances of surviving were zero. Something obviously fails in his version of the charge, and everything seems to indicate that they charged when the last spanish defenders were almost aniquilated, as in fact, they were. The rest is believing in SANTA, but I am too old for 7 year olds tales.

my favourite western  movies are OUTLAW JOSEY WALES, W73 and  the Man who shot Liberty Valance.



Do you just hate America, or is  it Americans as a whole, that you don't like?

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 05, 2013, 09:19:06 PM
That is your opinion and your retelling of history. Remember, history is written by the victors not the losers.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 10:24:05 AM
We got the "language police" posting on this forum and now the "movie police"? Can't blame Pet for trying to salvage something of Spanish honour, but not at the expense of trashing an American icon like Teddy R. Simply not on.

The "Outlaw Josey Wales" is worth watching because of Eastwood and two Canadians, Chief Dan George simply being himself and John Vernon, who played the tracker that found Wales and let him go. Other than that .....

"Winchester '73" was pure Hollywood hype and fantasy. Shooting a postage stamp pasted over the hole in a washer .... ???? Yeah, right! Even better, all this shooting was done right smack in the middle of town with buildings all around. Pure Hollywood hogwash all the way.

"The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"? Not even John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart or Lee Marvin could save that piece of  hyped tripe.

For pure, fanciful western trash, you can't beat the "Spaghetti Westerns" like the Eastwood flicks, the best scenes being the desert landscapes in the "western" part of Spain. Pure hogwash, but good fun with lots of scuzzy looking characters.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 12:08:55 PM
OK - you've made your point. And in so doing trashed both "Rough Riders" and an iconic American hero from a time when America was on the rise to becoming a world power, on the occasion of their national holiday. Now that's really a class act.

I leave you to the tender mercies of my American friends .....

I shudder to think what you might have to say about movies depicting the British Raj in India and the heroes from that era. Our national holiday was the 1st of July, so you missed an opportunity to be offensive to Canadians of British extraction.

We have a history of stomping on ethnic populations in Canada as well, even using Gatling guns (fired by an American Officer sales rep) and artillery against Metis hunters armed with buffalo guns and muskets. Some of the casualties were Catholic nuns acting as nurses in a convent they refused to vacate.

Since you're on a roil, I demand equal abuse and abasement of British/Canadian iconic heroes!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 06, 2013, 01:40:18 PM
Not wanting to degrade the late great John Wayne or lament the passing of Theodore Roosevelt. Also not wishing to name the obvious, I am going to go outside the box and nominate

Movies

cat Ballou.
The Man Who Loved Cat Dancing

Television

peacemakers

All selections made on a strict criteria. Personal choice for laughs and entertainment value.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Blair on July 06, 2013, 02:39:22 PM
I wonder how the 120 year misuse of America toward the Spanish peoples Compares to the more than 900 + years of Spanish peoples misuse of all the concord and colonized and enslaved peoples of the world, under Spanish control? And let us not forget the "Spanish Inquisition"!
The Spanish/American War ends Spain's Colonial Empire and Terrine over those populations under their control.
 
No German Advisers helped Spain... ever? Let me make sure I got this right... EVER?
Who taught the Spaniards how to use the 1898 Mauser in Cuba? (remember the date for the S/AW? 1898.)
So, when Spain needs help to subdue its own National population in the 1930's, who does Spain go to for help? Germany! This time it was Hitler's Germany. Himmler would have been proud of Spains earlier exploits. In fact probably took notes for the SS to fallow.
Of course, Spain, is 100 % blameless in all of this!!!

None of this has to do with the subject of this thread, which is "Favorite Western Monies".
It directly has to do with where some posters feel/believe the blame for Spain's decline belongs. It is not within the Movie "Rough Riders"!
  Blair
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 02:53:40 PM
There was a German naval presence off shore Cuba, but they declined to intervene on the part of the Spanish when a Royal Navy Squadron made it known that they would support the Americans. Smart move ....

Sorry to correct you on the small arms used by the Spanish in Cuba, but I believe that they were Mauser '93's, not K98's, the latter not appearing until late in WWI. The date of the model numbers should have been a clue. Here's an excerpt from Small Arms of the World:

"Spain adopted it's first Mauser in 1891, chambered for the 7.65MM Mauser cartridge also used by Belgium. A rifle and carbine version of this weapon, closely resembling the Argentine Model 1891, were each produced. A considerable quantity of these weapons , especially the carbines, were captured by US troops during the Spanish-American War.
The 1892 Mauser adopted by Spain introduced the 7mm cartridge and the non-rotating extractor attached to the bolt by a collar, which is found on later Mausers  and the US Springfield '03 rifle."

So, like you said, before commenting - "PLEASE GET MORE INFORMATION. OK for the ignorant, but not for smart viewers."

As for Spanish military prowess, the Americans were the last foreign army they crossed bayonets with. They are best remembered for slaughtering their own people during the Spanish Civil War with massive military aid from the Third Reich in support of the Nationalists and Russian aid for the Royalists; foreign interventionists, both.

Major powers can't resist playing a hand in the politics of smaller nations, like the French and American involvement in the Mexican Revolution. But, it makes for great movie material!

We didnt have german advisers in the spanish army at that time and we never had, ever....ok?...... Unlike what you think about our army, we are a european nation with a great military history and tradition. So please, next time that you make a movie, involving our history and our troops, PLEASE GET MORE INFORMATION.

 and let me add once again, that WE JUST DIDNT HAVE MACHINE GUNS IN LOMAS DE SAN JUAN,  just Mausers K98s excellenty made in OVIEDO ARSENAL, in 7x57, and masterly handled by our troops, who repealed american attack after american attack (where was TEDDY with his horse
BY THE WAY,  AND  once again.....OF COURSE THAT WE DIDNT HAVE GERMAN ADVISERS.....(you are mistaking the spanish army with general APACHE´S army in  revolutionary Mexico of "WILD BUNCH" fame..... >:( ok for the ignorant, but not for smart viewers..)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on July 06, 2013, 02:58:26 PM
Wow.....Amazing how politics wiggles it's way into everything........ :-\
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I have another movie to add to my favorites.  "Billy the Kid Returns."  Roy Rogers, Mary Hart and Smiley Burnette.  1938, good show.

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 03:03:55 PM
Welcome to the real world, Kid! The hell of it is that if you don't get involved in politics, you are still affected and wind up being ruled by inferior people.

Wow.....Amazing how politics wiggles it's way into everything........ :-\
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 04:26:52 PM
Yes, the K98 was made at La Coruna between 1944-57. Many were later rechambered/barreled to 7.62mm NATO and renamed yet again.
Many have been sold as 'surplus' on the North American markets.

Germany made both the Swedish '96 and the Spanish '93's before each country was up and running to produce their own; forty-five thousand for the Swedes. I've owned a German-made Swedish '96 and it was a jewel of perfection.

you´re totally right, they were not K98s.......there 93´s,  in 7x57 mm, sorry but I it was a lapsus. Also, as you said, 95 short carbines were used. The 98 was adopted by Spain as the MAUSER CORUÑA, in WW2.

it was a lapsus.... by the way, I had a 93, with it´s straight bolt, years ago. the cartridge is delightful to shoot.

the first rifles were made in the OVIEDO factory from living examples bouthg in Germany, making the blueprints in OVIEDO.

there is no tradition of foreign military advisers in our army.




Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 04:28:50 PM
Correct, as did the Italians with a token division. The Italians fought well according to all accounts.

false, the last important foreign army we crossed bayonets with, is the russian army, in WW2
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 06, 2013, 05:16:19 PM
I'm of Anglo-French descendancy, and I found nothing to be offensive to my heritage in "The Patriot".  Atrocities are committed by all in times of war, and essentially, it was a civil war between Britishers and Anglo-Americans. That is always bitter.

I also think you do a disservice to the intelligence of the average American citizen when it comes to believing what they see on the big screen and television.

Like Bugs, you claim not to be intentionally insulting or offensive, while doing a damn fine job of it! This speaks of poor empathy for others. If you don't want to be talked down to, your national honour besmirched, then accord us the same consideration.

Coming back to movies, from the american point of view, a movie might be right, but from a foreign point of view, that same movie can be offensive...I´ll give an example:

the PATRIOT.....a cool interesting movie...but a true insult to the BRITISH people and their army.[/color] If I were british I would really feel offended by a movie where the BRITISH were depicted as PSYCHO KILLERS, while americans were shown...as patriotic angels....that even made british authorities and british press protest.

American people, in general, are not aware of how much oversimplification Hollywood does of foreign peoples, societies, armies and wars.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 06, 2013, 06:19:54 PM
With this statement sir "American people, in general, are not aware of how much oversimplification Hollywood does of foreign peoples, societies, armies and wars." you have made another attempt to insult the American people, yet failed.

See unlike some folks, the American people realize that Hollywood is make believe and movies are made for entertainment, they are not documentaries.

The Patriot - Directed by Roland Emmerich a German film director, screenwriter, and producer.


The Patriot of course is not a western movie, but what the heck, I love that movie.  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 06, 2013, 08:48:16 PM
I think thist hread should be closed, so this Patriot, of what ever nation it is, can cool his head off...! AND, get is facts straight about the entertainment industry...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 06, 2013, 10:20:35 PM
yes, you won. After discovering that the spanish fleet was weak, but the spanish soldier...very tough!

Obviously not as tough as you wish to believe.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 06, 2013, 11:17:24 PM
Obviously not as tough as you wish to believe.

Good comment...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 07, 2013, 09:48:09 AM
Time for the Spanish version of events to be made into a movie :

"With Nowhere To Go, Cut Off And No Retreat Possible, The Last Eight Spanish Soldiers Fixed Bayonets And Prepared To Die ...."

Now who do we put in the starring role? I nominate Pet as weapons technical adviser; well, maybe not ..... it irritates the hell out of folks when they see incorrect firearms for the era being used. Like Mauser K98's instead of '91's and '93's.

"OK for the ignorant, but not for smart viewers."


well, just check the figures, out of 1700 men in San Juan, only 8 survived, with their bayonets on.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 07, 2013, 11:26:42 AM

They won their fame in really difficult situations where they were all ways outnumbered by the enemy, like CUBA,


So true and this will always be the case if Spanish General Arsenio Linares is a good example of Spanish Generals, why did he hold 10,000 Spanish troops in reserve instead of re-enforcing San Juan Hill?   The saga goes on without answering the question, "What is your favorite Western.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 07, 2013, 01:19:31 PM
One of my favorite westerns is the Alamo. Where 120 Texans (Americans) held off thousands of Mexican military under the control of Santa Anna. They held off the Mexican army for 13 days. This helped Texas win the war and free Texans from the oppressive Mexican government.

Teddy is a hero for defeating the Spanish in a war.

The spanish have a long history of being barbaric. Look at Cortez and how the Spanish have treated those they try to oppress. Aztec, and Inca for example. Also look at how barbaric they were in the Philippines.

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. Compared to Spain, American history is pretty clean. We've never sided with Hitler. We opposed him and all dictators. Our heroes are such because they worked to help out the good people, not the evil ones.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 07, 2013, 01:59:03 PM
After pondering this question further I need to add...

1. "The Missing"
2. "Ride With the Devil"
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 07, 2013, 02:53:50 PM
One of my favorite westerns is the Alamo. Where 120 Texans (Americans) held off thousands of Mexican military under the control of Santa Anna.

Teddy is a hero for defeating the Spanish in a war.

The spanish have a long history of being barbaric. Look at Cortez and how the Spanish have treated those they try to oppress. Aztec, and Inca for example. Also look at how barbaric they were in the Philippines.

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house. Compared to Spain, American history is pretty clean. We've never sided with Hitler. We opposed him and all dictators. Our heroes are such because they worked to help out the good people, not the evil ones.

This guy is too blind to see the truth in your comments...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Shawnee McGrutt on July 07, 2013, 05:10:37 PM
Hey pards, did you ever hear the saying about riding a dead hoss?  Petrinal has an answer to everything and he is just baiting us.what really got me fired up,  was his comment about Santa, not being real. I believe this is some more of his Euro crap or maybe he had an unhappy childhood.  But who really gives a damn what he thinks about the USA?

So let's get back to the subject of oaters.  One I forgot about was called I believe "Last of the Dogman".  It was set in modern times with a lost tribe of chanyenne indians.  I thought it was a good film,anyone else see it and am I right about the title?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 07, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
Hey pards, did you ever hear the saying about riding a dead hoss?  Petrinal has an answer to everything and he is just baiting us.what really got me fired up,  was his comment about Santa, not being real. I believe this is some more of his Euro crap or maybe he had an unhappy childhood.  But who really gives a damn what he thinks about the USA?

So let's get back to the subject of oaters.  One I forgot about was called I believe "Last of the Dogman".  It was set in modern times with a lost tribe of chanyenne indians.  I thought it was a good film,anyone else see it and am I right about the title?

How do you say to hell with that damned troll in Spanish?

I saw that movie, and I liked it.

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 07, 2013, 06:37:28 PM
I threw your words back at you so see how you like being referred to as "ignorant".  Don't like it? Then don't use it in reference to other people. It's  called common courtesy.

As for Millious(?) not doing his research - pot-kettle-black. He was filming a major movie while you were denigrating his work in a simple email posting. That's hardly due diligence on your part.

In the move "Bite The Bullet", Gene Hackman gives a dissertation on the attack up San Juan Hill in which he says the Roughriders crawled up the hill on their bellies and when within shooting range, saw that the Spanish were using civilian hostages as screens. He said that the civilians pleaded with the Americans to advance, disregarding the risk to their own lives.

I kind of like that version ..... ;>)

So, by all means continue to trash American movies, their directors and iconic American heroes. You're on a roll and there has to be at least a couple of people that you haven't yet offended - unintentionally, of course .....


thanks so much, but as I said, it was a lapsus, man.

I had a Mauser 93 made in OVIEDO, by the way, and I know the K98 well, thanks. You never had a  lapsus?



John Millious didnt do a good job.... the bad thing about ROUGH RIDERS (the movie) is that it was not interested in facts. The director was more interested in the legend of Teddy Roosevelt.

that is bad because, even if some deny it, most people, specially in teh USA will think that in fact, TEDDY charged with his men against a courtine of spanish bullets, when, in fact, he charged...when most spanish soldiers were dead....after many bombing, and afer many many many failed attacks by the americans, who were not able to take a position, using thousands of men...defended by a handful of spanish soldiers. (300 of them repealed US attack after attack for more than a day until they were almost exterminated by heavy  bombing)

but MILLIOUS was not interested in that. He just wanted glory for TEDDY and his overexagerations, fueled by HEARTS.

I insist, I dont admire much ROOSEVELST´s heroism.....he fought in a battle of 21000 americans againts 1700 spaniards!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 07, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
Shawnee, Last of the Dogmen was a really well done movie and story.  Of course for the historical police, it never happened and could never happen.  Or did it?   ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 07, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
Actually I liked Ride with the Devil. Very well done. I highly recommend it.

Another movie I would like to suggest is one named The Jack Bull. It stars John Cusack and is very good.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 07, 2013, 07:57:32 PM
I loved " Ride with Devil" the first time I seen it. I have probably watched it every year since. After watching it a couple times, I realized the Ang Lee was the director.  Amazing that this story was brought to life from a Taiwan Director.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 07, 2013, 08:00:33 PM
The fact that Spaniards fought for Hitler in the Blue Division is quite a claim to fame. I did a little surfing and was able to find out that there were several companies of Spaniards in the Waffen SS, but not enough for a full division like the Italian Fascisti.

Sieg Heil, compadre!

you, americans, make heroes out of...ANYONE? thats why, us, Europeans, have sometimes a very hard time understanding you, americans.......we just dont understand your heroes...because ours are different....they won their fame in really difficult situations where they were allways outnumbered by the enemy, like CUBA, Filipinas, or Russia, with the Blue division in Leningrad..
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Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 07, 2013, 08:04:31 PM
Yes, I think in Ride with the Devil, he captured the era much better than most any other director.

I know a lot of people on here hate The Assasination of Jessie James by the coward Bob Ford, but I liked it. I also read that the James family has said that this movie was the only one to capture Jessie's true personality and his behavior. Check it out on the Internet Movie Database.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on July 07, 2013, 11:10:35 PM
Has anybody mentioned "Pale Rider?"

"My Name is Nobody" is okay...If you don't mind the lack of some dialogue.

"Crime Busters" isn't exactly western...but it mentions Geronimo....... ::)

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Octagonal Barrel on July 08, 2013, 03:31:36 AM
I got a new one to add to my previously stated shortlist (the recent True Grit, Apaloosa, and The Proposition): Broken Trail.  Good story, a lot of good acting, and lots of good dust and style.  In my opinion, at any rate.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Shawnee McGrutt on July 08, 2013, 11:30:48 AM
Petrinal,  the topic is, what's your favorite western?not spanish military history.  If Hollywood movies are crap, don't watch them, nobody will miss you.   Instead of finding fault what movies do like if any?  One I liked but have been unable to find is Rooster Cogburn.  Wally World hasn't had it in the bargain bin. Don't take offense, Petrinal, do you remember what Thumpers' mother told him in the movie, Bambi?  "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all." :-X
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 08, 2013, 11:38:41 AM
There you go again - when you can't deal with the message, you attack the messenger. At least you're consistent. I think you missed your true calling and ought to consider becoming a movie critic.

Like I said - time for the Spanish (read losers) to make a movie about the Spanish-American War. Should be a piece of cake considering the number of 'spaghetti westerns' that were filmed in Spain. There has to be a knoll in Spain somewhere that resembles San Juan Hill.
It would provide some work in a country with 24% unemployment.


surely you love that version, as you probably believe everything they tell as long as it suits your taste, but sorry, man, using civilian hostages, that, by the way, were SPANISH CITIZENS, as Cuba was not a colony, but a spanish province, is not in our military tradition and there is no written evidence of that anywhere, not even in american sources. But it sounds good for Hollywood, which has a nice tradition of desrespecting the enemy, be them german, british, spanish..etc.

by the way, they could distinguish, in the middle of a battle, and with no observation globe, that was destroyed by the spanish, a civilian shouting from a spanish soldier, and heard them saying and shouting to go on? what is your I.Q, man? the movies that you love seeing, are for 12 years olin short, we can not believe in all the trash and misinformation that some individuals in the cinema industry have done and currently do to History, like Millious..... sometimes just to add drama to the tale, or sometimes for political or patriotic reasons.

I´ll give an example: I cant stand Russian movies about WW2...they stink to political propaganda, showing partisans as heroes. Some of them were, but some others...were just criminals.

I cannot take that you are not offended by THE PATRIOT....you are not british! You are canadian, of french and british origin..but I am not talking about you, I am talking about people like british friends of mine, who were really angry at the way that crap movie showed the british. Even the british press protested.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 08, 2013, 11:44:29 AM
Petrinal,  the topic is, what's your favorite western?not spanish military history.  If Hollywood movies are crap, don't watch them, nobody will miss you.   Instead of finding fault what movies do like if any?  One I liked but have been unable to find is Rooster Cogburn.  Wally World hasn't had it in the bargain bin. Don't take offense, Petrinal, do you remember what Thumpers' mother told him in the movie, Bambi?  "If you can't say anything nice, say nothing at all." :-X

Bravo sir, indeed.  ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Octagonal Barrel on July 08, 2013, 12:47:01 PM
Actually I liked Ride with the Devil. Very well done. I highly recommend it.

Another movie I would like to suggest is one named The Jack Bull. It stars John Cusack and is very good.
I like that one, too.  Again, good story and acting.  But I personally think it's John Goodman in his role as the judge that makes the movie really something.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Octagonal Barrel on July 08, 2013, 01:00:24 PM
I like that one, too.  Again, good story and acting.  But I personally think it's John Goodman in his role as the judge that makes the movie really something.
OK my last post was ambiguous at best.  Goodman was in Jack Bull, not Ride with the Devil.  Jack Bull was the movie I meant to write about.  -Although I did see Ride with the Devil, and I liked it, too.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on July 08, 2013, 02:50:03 PM
I saw a movie once, a long time ago (10 years, two thirds of my life.  Just thought I'd rub in my youth ;) :P )called "Gunsmoke and Thunder" that was a pretty decent show.  At least for a five-year old.  It was based on a book by J.T.Edson with a similar title("Gunsmoke Thunder") which I read last year and put the two together.  The movie had a lot of Hollywood-ification, like Winchester 92's in 1876, but oh well.   The final showdown was a bit scarey, what with a guy getting disemboweled, but at least they didn't show below the neck......

The only problem is, I can't find anything about the film.  Google doesn't have anything on it, nothin on YouTube.  Zip, nada.  but if you can ever find it, it's pretty good.

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 08, 2013, 05:03:19 PM
there you go:

I like  "YELLOW SKY", with Gregory Peck. The final duel scene is masterfully shot....as it shows us a great rule: LESS can be more...I reccomend you watch it.

I also loved "Night Passage", dubbed "la ultima bala" (last bullet) in spanish, with Audie Murphy and James Stewart.

"They died with their boots on", is a great classic, with Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland and Anthony Queen.

"Wild bunch" is a great, but a bit  overstimated  and probably unrealistically violent film by and overstimated director, like Sam Peckinpah, whose greater movie, is, in my opinion,  "Straw dogs".

"3 GODFATHERS", a really great understimated film,  with the true american patriot John Wayne. John, unlike what many left wing intellectuals think, played very interesting roles under John Ford´s orders...normally antisocial men, who are somewhat marginated or a bit segregated by society, but with a deep great heart, and an endless desire for justice, in a very hostile environment.



in other words, unlike today´s HOLLYWOOD trash, with tasteless movies, soundtracks and stories, classic westerns, specially John Wayne´s, showed the best of the american spirit, like braveness, ingenuity and confidence in hard work.

even when John fillmed "The Alamo"...he treated mexicans with respect, in my opinion.....and I am sure, that in real life, SANTA ANA, and his troops, were not worth much respect at all...(he was taken prisoner by the americans disguised as woman....what type of general is that..our generals die in combat!).

and he showed much respect for Vietnam and it´s peoples in his "GREEN BERETS", another understimated film, that showed that one can make a good patriotic movie witouth desrespecting other countries.

one of the worse westerns I have seen,  is SOLDIER BLUE, pure trash, by the way. Sorry, but the  many Indian tribes, not all,, despite what they have been triying to brainwashing us about,  were not angels and allways the victims...some were really blood thirsty, and killed whites...because it was their way of life..to kill others.

in that aspect, todays directors, are making a mistake: they treat a the West in their films with a  modern man´s mentality. And that is unrealistic.

I dont watch  modern productions, the script, soundtrack, photography and acting, is horrible, witouth comparison to the masterfully shot, and interpreted classics, like High Noon, whose photography...is first class from the very begining. That people in Hollywood, at that time, were truly artists. Not all, of course, but there was art in those times in movies.


Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 08, 2013, 06:15:09 PM
Sorry, but the  many Indian tribes, not all,, despite what they have been triying to brainwashing us about,  were not angels and allways the victims...some were really blood thirsty, and killed whites...because it was their way of life..to kill others.

I have always wondered why a person begins with "Sorry" as a lead in to an insult?  Beyond this statement, will be a land mine of political discussion, so I plan to avoid that.  I would recommend that you read about Sand Creek.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 08, 2013, 07:53:24 PM
Yeah, like when someone says - "With all due respect ...", they usually mean "... with utterly NO respect at all ... !
Pet has a penchant for offending and alienating, allegedly without malice aforethought.

I wonder if he knows that "... true American patriot John Wayne ..." never wore the uniform of his country, unlike several other movies stars.
But then, he regards Spaniards that served in the Wehrmacht and SS as "patriots", all having had  to swear an oath not to Germany, but to Adolph Hitler; the motto of the SS being - "Meine Ehre Heisst Treue"; Loyalty Is My Honour".

I have always wondered by a person begins with "Sorry" as a lead in to an insult?  Beyond this statement, will be a land mine of political discussion, so I plan to avoid that. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 08, 2013, 08:26:09 PM
Yeah, like when someone says - "With all due respect ...", they usually mean "... with utterly NO respect at all ... !
Pet has a penchant for offending and alienating, allegedly without malice aforethought.

Agreed

I wonder if he knows that "... true American patriot John Wayne ..." never wore the uniform of his country, unlike several other movies stars.

John Wayne was 4F... Ever norice how he walked?

But then, he regards Spaniards that served in the Wehrmacht and SS as "patriots", all having had  to swear an oath not to Germany, but to Adolph Hitler; the motto of the SS being - "Meine Ehre Heisst Treue"; Loyalty Is My Honour."

Now you're going to confuse our hispanic troll with facts...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 08, 2013, 10:13:54 PM
The salient 'fact' is that our "Hispanic troll" has a contempt for a lot of things and people held dear by Americans - their dislike of government interference in their lives, their morals (or lack thereof, in his opinion), their movies, their iconic heroes -Jeff Cooper, Teddy Roosevelt, Charlton Heston, et al. This despite claiming to have lived in the US for several years, where I presume he was treated with respect.

He is either unaware of the offensiveness of his rhetoric or he doesn't care - your pick. However, under the rules of this forum, he has the right to be insulting and we have to pussy foot around it instead of calling a spade a spade for fear of being banned.


Now you're going to confuse our hispanic troll with facts...
Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Shawnee McGrutt on July 09, 2013, 04:36:33 AM
Just give up,  he don't get it.  You are just wasting your breathe (really your finger power,I am going to save my finger power for shooting.) So "The Bull Jack" is a good flick,I'll add it to my list.Petrinal said "Yellow Sky", with Gregory Peck was good, I'll add it also. But as I said before,I believe he is baiting us. In the "Wizard of Oz", when Dorthy finds the control room,"pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

Anyone see "The Lone Ranger",yet?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 09, 2013, 09:17:51 AM
The salient 'fact' is that our "Hispanic troll" has a contempt for a lot of things and people held dear by Americans - their dislike of government interference in their lives, their morals (or lack thereof, in his opinion), their movies, their iconic heroes -Jeff Cooper, Teddy Roosevelt, Charlton Heston, et al. This despite claiming to have lived in the US for several years, where I presume he was treated with respect.

He is either unaware of the offensiveness of his rhetoric or he doesn't care - your pick. However, under the rules of this forum, he has the right to be insulting and we have to pussy foot around it instead of calling a spade a spade for fear of being banned.



I never mentioned Charlon Heston, which is a man I admired. I never mention goverment interference in people´s lives....that belongs to your imagination entirely.

 I have no reasons to admire Cooper, can you give me one from a foreign point of view, when even his views about shootings are not much shared in the rest of the world among professionals? can you give me reasons to admire TEDDY, whose most famous  overexagerated battle was a combat of thousands of americans...against a handful of spanish soldiers.....sorry, let me admire more that handful of spanish soldiers far outnumbered by the americans..... :-[


true, John didnt participate in actual combat,  in WW2, like Jamie Stewart,  in a bomber, or Robert Taylor training pilots. But John showed the rest of the world, like Jamie, the best of the american spirit in his roles. HE MADE THE REST OF THE WORLD LOVE THE US AND THE FAR WEST. And the World, not only the USA, loves him.

I remember years ago in a video club shop, a old man renting a John Wayne movie....the was telling the clerk that he could be all day wathching John´s movies.

so important was Wayne´s  influence in the World......that the SOVIETS declared him a "dangerous american icon"....as even Eastern Block people loved his movies! we can say that  He did his good job to fight comunism too.

dont you think that doing that is being a patriot? He showed respect for justice, allways, in his movies. Today´s Hollywood movies just show...bad examples.

Jeffy? he made the opposite. Wont explain more.

I am not proud of the spanish soldiers fighting in the SS, who were deprived by Franco of the spanish citizenship, by the way. after 1944 all spanish citizens were banned by the goverment from fighting with the Axis, after the Blue division withdrawal, as the goverment became more pro Ally  after the  Normandy landings. So those  men, many of them ex Blue division members, fought in Berlin against the spanish laws. They were very few and most survivers were not able to return to SPAIN, as they were no longer spanish citizens.

 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on July 09, 2013, 10:37:32 AM
How about, "Santa Fe Trail?"  Ronald Reagan, Errol Flynn, Olivia deHaviland.  Pretty good show.  The arsenal isn't exactly correct....I'm pretty sure they didn't have Remington New Model Army's in 1854.... but oh well.  Hard not to like those three actors together.  :)

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 09, 2013, 10:51:42 AM
.sorry, let me admire more that handful of spanish soldiers far outnumbered by the americans.....  

I think here in lays a good part of the problem.  I for one, have no problem with who you admire, it is the condescending spewing of discontent about people I admire that pi**es me off and I am sure others.  I have no problem with you admiring and holding in high esteem Spain, but do not run down my country to make your point.

Stay consistent.  Just a few days ago as an adjunct to your argument about the long history of Spanish slaughter around the world, you stated the United States and its injustice to Native people, then yesterday implied they need killing because they killed whites and killing was their life style. Of course this is unsubstantiated because you deleted that post.

Stay on one side of the fence.

Now give this a test:  Post your three favorite western movies without adding your political view of what is simple entertainment.

Of the modern films, I love Quigley down under.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 09, 2013, 11:04:20 AM
And I might add, without disparaging remarks about iconic American heroes, the poor taste of American movie goers and any dissertations on the by-gone glories of Spain.

I think here in lays a good part of the problem.  I for one, have no problem with who you admire, it is the condescending spewing of discontent about people I admire that pi**es me off and I am sure others.  I have no problem with you admiring and holding in high esteem Spain, but do not run down my country to make your point.

Stay consistent.  Just a few days ago as an adjunct to your argument about the long history of Spanish slaughter around the world, you stated the United States and its injustice to Native people, then yesterday implied they need killing because they killed whites and killing was their life style. Of course this is unsubstantiated because you deleted that post.

Stay on one side of the fence.

Now give this a test:  Post your three favorite western movies without adding your political view of what is simple entertainment.

Of the modern films, I love Quigley down under.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Icebox Bob on July 09, 2013, 02:39:42 PM
My choices for this week:

1. The Long Riders (love the soundtrack and the brothers)
2. Silverado (not sure why I watch this over and over  :-\)
3. Any movie with a Winchester 1876.

And by next week I'll have changed my mind and have to watch every movie I can find with Lee Van Cleef (or maybe Richard Boone).  Or maybe the copy of "Saskatchewan" (aka - O'Rourke of the Royal Mounted) I just found taped off the TV, with Alan Ladd, Shelley Winters, Hugh O'Brian and Jay Siverheels.  I know Saskatchewan doesn't look right in the movie - no craggy mountains here, but I will watch it and enjoy it anyway!   :P
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 09, 2013, 03:08:10 PM
Clarification for Petrinal and Camille.  Incase your curious why so many get upset with things that are said and why we keep replying with indignation.  This currently is my favorite Western Video.  All 3 minutes sums up a 4377 of a lot.
[youtube]2VJkypo8jcY[/youtube]
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 09, 2013, 03:16:21 PM
.

Of the modern films, I love Quigley down under.

Quigley is a great movie. When I come across it on TV I can't stand to watch it the way they show it. I have to dig out the DVD and watch it in it's entirety. You ever notice how they cut the good part off of the end when they show it on TV? The part where the British military shows up to arrest Quigley and the tribesmen encircle them with thousands of men. I hate that they cut that off. That's a very powerful scene.

The Jack Bull is a very good movie. John Goodman was great as the judge.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 09, 2013, 03:55:12 PM
I think here in lays a good part of the problem.  I for one, have no problem with who you admire, it is the condescending spewing of discontent about people I admire that pi**es me off and I am sure others.  I have no problem with you admiring and holding in high esteem Spain, but do not run down my country to make your point.

Stay consistent.  Just a few days ago as an adjunct to your argument about the long history of Spanish slaughter around the world, you stated the United States and its injustice to Native people, then yesterday implied they need killing because they killed whites and killing was their life style. Of course this is unsubstantiated because you deleted that post.

Stay on one side of the fence.

Now give this a test:  Post your three favorite western movies without adding your political view of what is simple entertainment.

Of the modern films, I love Quigley down under.

well, someone started a comparison about who killed more indians.  I didnt talk about injustice to INDIANS, just number of indians dead.

the US policy against indians was tough, but there were even tougher policies in the americas, like the extermination campaign againts Mapuche Indians in the Desert campaign in Argentina in the 1870´s by General Rosas. They virtually exterminated them. So yes, the US was not the toughest nation in the americas againts native americans. In central America, like El Salvador or Guatemala, there were extermination policies as late as 1979 againts native peoples just  because they were accused of supporting guerrillas.

  anyway, I´ll be clear:

if I were a 1870 century settler, mixed race person,  african american, chinese or Irish, mexican or German inmigrant, a lady, a boy, a farmer, or a labour man, or a business man,  I would prefer the US cavalry and Army near, not the indians.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 09, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
 two by Robert Taylor:
 
Westward the women, a true classic

Devil´s Doorway, a movie that will  make you think.

a european movie:

Once upon the West, by Sergio Leone, probably the only one western, or one of the few, where the story goes around a woman, Claudie Cardinale, impressive italian actress of great fame in Europe. Filmed in Spain, with Charles Bronson and Henry Fonda. The sound track by Ennio Morricone, one of his bests.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 09, 2013, 04:45:25 PM
TwoWalks

Thank you for this! Says it all very eloquently.

I'm almost embarrassed to admit that when I hear and sing "The Star Spangled Banner" (Yes, I do sing along when I hear it at sports events) or "Oh, Canada", I get choked up. Say what you want about me if it's true, but leave my country the hell out of it!

I've even been known to sing the "Marseillaise" in honour of my Francophone mother's heritage, arguably the most over-the-top national anthem of all.


Clarification for Petrinal and Camille.  Incase your curious why so many get upset with things that are said and why we keep replying with indignation.  This currently is my favorite Western Video.  All 3 minutes sums up a 4377 of a lot.
[youtube]2VJkypo8jcY[/youtube]
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: c.o.jones on July 10, 2013, 08:26:10 PM
ANY UNKIND WORD AIMED AT THE TROLL AND YOU WILL BE BANISHED TO A PLANET IN ANOTHER GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Black Spot on July 10, 2013, 09:01:59 PM
One movie i bring out once in a while is "windwalker"  it is done entirely in American Indian language. 

The "stalking moon" is great also.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 11, 2013, 10:00:12 AM
Gee, d'ya think .... ? Ya mean all those allegations about this happening are not unfounded? Whodathunkit .... ?


ANY UNKIND WORD AIMED AT THE TROLL AND YOU WILL BE BANISHED TO A PLANET IN ANOTHER GALAXY FAR FAR AWAY.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 14, 2013, 08:51:23 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 14, 2013, 01:01:43 PM
'Splain, por favor ..... ?


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RickB on July 14, 2013, 04:34:43 PM
'Splain, por favor ..... ?



Pretty self revealing if you ask me. Someone has just admitted that they are as we see them.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 14, 2013, 06:23:29 PM
That was my take as well. Just wanted confirmation.

Pretty self revealing if you ask me. Someone has just admitted that they are as we see them.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 14, 2013, 07:54:10 PM
As luck would have it, I flicked on the toob and "The Magnificent Seven" was starting up ....

This movie has one of my favourite lines and several of my favourite scenes:

"I've been paid a lot for my work, but not everything ...", said by 'Chris' as he negotiates with the Mexican farmers for the $20 fee they offer.

And James Coburn winning against the loudmouth with his switchblade knife; "Mr. Cool" all the while. I think it was done just to mock the old adage - "Never bring a knife to a gun fight ...".

"That was the best shot I've ever seen!" as Coburn drops a fleeing Bandito. "Worst", he says, "I was aiming for the horse."
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 24, 2013, 03:41:20 PM
'Splain, por favor ..... ?



we have very special sense of humour here, an anglo will never understand.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 24, 2013, 03:49:44 PM
Pretty self revealing if you ask me. Someone has just admitted that they are as we see them.

I remember an american girl visiting the south of Europe not long ago. She was surprised that people, in EUROPE, dont smile so much as americans do.  Here,  it is not a social must, and you dont have to do it to show society that you are satisfied with your life or successful or a nice person.

well, she thought that people here were angry all the time or sad because of that .....until I explained her this important  cultural difference  with americans.....(same in Russia, people don smile much but they are, however, quite a happy social people).

so you may see me as you want, but  I am not what you think I am. I am not your enemy, in short, I just think different, nothing more.

 I could even be your friend in real life.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on July 24, 2013, 06:58:16 PM
As luck would have it, I flicked on the toob and "The Magnificent Seven" was starting up ....

I was watching that too recently and looked up McQueen's bio for laughs.  When I realized he'd been dead for 33 years it aged me precipitously and I vowed never to do that again.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on July 25, 2013, 12:10:32 AM
I remember an american girl visiting the south of Europe not long ago. She was surprised that people, in EUROPE, dont smile so much as americans do.  Here,  it is not a social must, and you dont have to do it to show society that you are satisfied with your life or successful or a nice person.

well, she thought that people here were angry all the time or sad because of that .....until I explained her this important  cultural difference  with americans.....(same in Russia, people don smile much but they are, however, quite a happy social people).

so you may see me as you want, but  I am not what you think I am. I am not your enemy, in short, I just think different, nothing more.

 I could even be your friend in real life.

I prefer to keep you on the enemies list... I'm more comfortable with you there...!

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: petrinal on July 25, 2013, 08:54:27 AM
I prefer to keep you on the enemies list... I'm more comfortable with you there...!

Bill


Bureaucrats are my only enemies. Enemy is someone who wants to destroy you and make your life miserable, not someone who just thinks different. You are not my enemy.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 25, 2013, 10:07:58 AM
And vice versa .... ;>)

we have very special sense of humour here, an anglo will never understand.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on July 25, 2013, 08:12:28 PM
"Keep your friends close - and your enemies even closer!"

I prefer to keep you on the enemies list... I'm more comfortable with you there...!

Bill

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Camille Eonich on July 29, 2013, 09:06:48 AM
You people cannot even talk about movies without name calling and harassing each other. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on July 29, 2013, 12:47:50 PM
You people cannot even talk about movies without name calling and harassing each other. 

Some folks live in a mental land that is so far left, they feel they stand on the right - then comparing to a country that stands farther right, they are viewed as standing on the far left. 

Some folks would rather live on the top of a mountain and others would prefer to live in the valley below.  Now when that fellow on the top of the mountain starts rolling boulders down the hill just for the heck of it, that fellow that lives in the valley below might get a bit touchy.  What do you suppose happens when they meet in town at the local watering hole?

Some times if a person thinks something is childish, it is because they are approaching the other folks as if they were children.  Perhaps it is better to first approach them as adults and let them work it out for themselves.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Camille Eonich on July 29, 2013, 02:23:20 PM
When left to work it out they failed and the situation got so far out of control that when an attempt was made to right the situation, it ultimately led to the closure of a very valuable forum.  That won't happen again.


Now let's please quit allowing these people to distract from this forum and from this thread and get it back on topic.

thank you.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Icebox Bob on July 29, 2013, 05:45:02 PM
In another attempt to redirect this thread back on track.........

The "Greats" are undoubted.  For me; Tom Selleck, Sam Elliott, Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, etc.   :D

But there is something about Lee Van Cleef and Richard Boone that really resonates for me.  8)

Should I be concerned?  ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on July 29, 2013, 07:09:20 PM
But there is something about Lee Van Cleef and Richard Boone that really resonates for me.  8)

Thanks for that!  Both those actors brought wonderfully rendered character studies to the screen.  They could menace with a mere look, or a smile.  I was thinking about Boone yesterday because of a short-lived western series where his character set up his pistol to twist draw.  Dio you recall that?

Mean Bob Mean
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Camille Eonich on July 29, 2013, 07:38:44 PM
One name, Jack Eland....   :)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: El Tio Loco on July 29, 2013, 08:01:42 PM
One name, Jack Eland....   :)
Jack Elam perhaps?  I have always been impressed how a character actor can make the whole film.  Victor McLaglen to Hank Worden in the John Ford movies dome to mind.   I saw a 60's modern western the other day called "Rancho Deluxe"  and it was a "so so" movie until Slim Pickens shows up as an old stock detective.  He made the whole movie.
So my hats off to all the Character Actors that have added so much spice to the movies.
Ken
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on July 29, 2013, 08:24:16 PM
One name, Jack Eland....   :)

Old Jack in "Support Your Local Sheriff" was a classic.  I always lioved his comedy roles but he made a terrific bad guy.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on July 29, 2013, 08:25:33 PM
 I saw a 60's modern western the other day called "Rancho Deluxe"  and it was a "so so" movie until Slim Pickens shows up as an old stock detective. 

Yeah, Pickens was great but I did like the scene where they shot up the Lincoln with the Sharps.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Camille Eonich on July 30, 2013, 07:42:07 AM
Jack Elam perhaps? 

My smart phone is actually kind of dumb and I can't type on it either.   ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: flyingcollie on September 05, 2013, 05:47:15 PM
This is a mighty long thread - have we come to any conclusions ??

Seems to me westerns reflect the decades they were made pretty strongly. They started out early as a kind of celluloid version of Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show, silent, lots of trick riding and trick shooting. Then, they became "full entertainment", adding singing cowboys and dancing cowgirls. There was more emphasis on drama in the 50's, and at least a nod to "history". By the 60's, there was more "realism" with the introduction of real gore in the shooting scenes . . . since then, I'd say many are more accurate for detail (firearms and sll other kinds of era-correct detail) and also for historical accuracy, but we also get the revisionism.

" . . . it's a place, it's a feelin', and it's dang sure just a state of mind. It could be anything you ever dreamed of . . . and it's all these things, it's The West."  -Dave Stamey

Cast my vote for everything Glenn Ford and Randolph Scott ever did !  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on September 05, 2013, 09:39:22 PM
One name, Jack Eland....   :)

Elam...  ;D

An Eland is an African antelope...  ;D

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Grenadier on September 19, 2013, 11:05:57 AM
When I first found this forum a few months ago, I really thought I found something special, but a few individuals on this forum act like 13 year old girls arguing over Justin Biebers haircut.

 Reading the posts of these individuals is kind of like watching a monkey fornicate with a football.

Why don't you guys step away from the keyboard, buy some Vagisil, inflatable dounut pillow, apply Vagisil to irritated mommy parts and take a break from the board.

 It would be highly benificial to those of us who would prefer not to read your Keyboard Tourettes Tantrums.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on September 19, 2013, 12:52:51 PM
When I first found this forum a few months ago, I really thought I found something special, but a few individuals on this forum act like 13 year old girls arguing over Justin Biebers haircut.

 Reading the posts of these individuals is kind of like watching a monkey fornicate with a football.

Why don't you guys step away from the keyboard, buy some Vagisil, inflatable dounut pillow, apply Vagisil to irritated mommy parts and take a break from the board.

 It would be highly benificial to those of us who would prefer not to read your Keyboard Tourettes Tantrums.

An amazingly articulate post... And I agree with him...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Black Spot on October 18, 2013, 08:09:58 AM

Cast my vote for everything Glenn Ford and Randolph Scott ever did !  ;D

Definitely! Especially Scott in "7 men from now"

Alan Ladd has some good westerns; "whispering Smith" , "branded" and of course "shane"
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Hambone Dave on February 28, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
What makes a movie a "Western".
Some of those mentioned here are westerns because the characters wore a 'cowboy' hat.
Civil War movies aren't westerns.
What is needed is specific minimum elements that must be present in a movie for it to be considered a western.
Below are some suggestions:

Cattle, horses, stagecoach, gunfight, Indians, time period, buffalo, miners, robbers, covered wagon, majestic landscapes, blacksmith, ranch, railroad, campfire, coyote/bear/deer/elk/eagle/buffalo/trout, sodbusters, plains, cavalry and forts. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: stuck_in_73 on April 02, 2014, 10:27:59 PM
The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly is my favorite. Then High Plains Drifter. Here is artwork I just finished!

(http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t539/jeff_luelf/imagejpg1_zps65e62202.jpg) (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/jeff_luelf/media/imagejpg1_zps65e62202.jpg.html)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on April 03, 2014, 11:09:25 AM
You are a very talented artist!



--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: medic15al on July 23, 2014, 04:49:51 PM
I like "The Outlaw Josie Wales" and "Tombstone" as my favorites.   :)

That artwork kinda looks like the movie poster for Josie Wales.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: willcarter on August 12, 2014, 11:18:39 AM
The Proposition is one of my favourite Westerns... 3:10 is great... Open Range was decent... Unforgiven is classic... watching more for research so I will update this post in a couple days!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on August 12, 2014, 01:10:37 PM
Just watched over course of a few weeks the "Cavalry Trilogy" of John Ford with Wayne et al. 

If not seen, highly recommended.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Gabriel Law on December 16, 2014, 11:54:06 AM
I didn't go through all 19 pages of this thread, so I may be duplicating someone else's foavourite(s).

Lonesome Dove (all 11 1/2 hours of it)
HBO's Deadwood series
and I recently found Hell on Wheels on Nexflix...lots of fun.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Willie Dixon on December 16, 2014, 12:56:44 PM
and I recently found Hell on Wheels on Nexflix...lots of fun.

I gotta agree with that one.  Just found it on Netflix myself, and it's been a blast!  We've been watching it non-stop here for about a week.

on a non-historical side, but present day "westerns" I like:
"Pure Country"
"Country Strong"
and a little Canadian TV show "Heartland"

I think they count enough, if not, they certainly count as "country" or "cowboy."  We had family visiting, and little half-pint's Grandma told her to eat her breakfast.  It was so adorable, little half-pint told her: "I don't know where you come from, but out here, we take care of the animals first."

 :o ;D Basically, it's her chore (she just turned 4) to feed the cat in the mornings! :D



and yes, I love Clint Eastwood... and yep, his best role:
http://youtu.be/YNvOl_Yml3U

beautiful work Stuck_in_73
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: nagantino on January 07, 2015, 02:59:02 PM
The Western has always provided great entertainment and sometimes a way of looking at ourselves. The movies of the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's, all provided a pure landscape. The canvas was clean and stories of simplicity or complexity could be painted with no problem. The years since have broken that simple spell. Thei 60's began a Comedy thing that marked for me, the decline of the Western. Some good stuff was still to come....It's hard to go back. It seemed that every director wanted to show The Real West and social comment was required. But as the 60's ended some great stuff had been made Hombre, Guns in the Afternoon, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid, True Grit and The Wild Bunch. I don't rate Italian Westerns. To me they are grotesque. It's a complex subject and hard to generalise. Don't forget that TV was awash with Western weekly series to back the genre up also back then. Can it be revived? No it can't but just as long as every few years a good Western yarn comes along, then I'm happy. Who would have thought that True Grit could be made again?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on January 07, 2015, 05:30:50 PM
I had to do some research on "Guns in the Afternoon".  That's apparently what our British friends call "Ride the High Country".

CC Griff
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: nagantino on January 08, 2015, 03:46:57 AM
OK Griff........put up your Dukes. I'm Irish. We don't take kindly to that kinda talk in these parts. Yes your right, the name was changed on this Side of the Atlantic. It was very common and no one, that I know of, knew why. Film distributors eh......
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on January 08, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
Well now, I have a strong Irish connection, so I'll just buy you a pint by way of apology.  Then we can go watch "Ride the Guns in the High Afternoon Country";)

CC Griff
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: nagantino on January 09, 2015, 03:33:15 AM
Thanks I'll have a pint of Guinness please. Sounds like a good movie.   ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ike Kant on February 12, 2015, 06:11:16 PM
My favorite is The Big Country.  Sure there are plenty of Westerns that are more spectacular and have a higher body count but this film is a superb character study.  Captain Jim McKay represents what I consider the ideal, ultimate human being.  We could all aspire to be as honorable and courageous.  Only Gregory Peck could have done the role justice. Jean Simmons' portrayal of Julie Maragon is nothing short of stunning.  And what a cast - Charlton Heston as a tough top hand and Best Supporting Actor Burl Ives.  It has a great musical score too.  

  
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: stuck_in_73 on February 16, 2015, 11:32:56 AM
Just watched True Grit (2010) last night. Yeah I know I'm 5 years late but what a great movie. Definetly up there on great westerns IMO. Yes I know there is a John Wayne original and yes I tried watching it and ended up turning it off half hour in. I'm just not a bandwagon John Wayne fan I guess. But the new True Grit was great.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Good Troy on February 16, 2015, 12:20:05 PM
My favorite is (was) Deadwood, the HBO series.
The characters developed well over the series.  This made it easier for me to overlook the foul language.
Ian McShane did an excellent job of potraying a ruthless and brutal, but caring character.
Brad Dourif (Doc Cochrane) and William Sanderson (E.B Farnum) are worth mentioning, too. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: nagantino on February 17, 2015, 10:29:00 AM
The Big Country is a superb movie. It's the music for me, that captures the vast plains and sheer expanse of the place. Gregory Peck and Charlton Heston are one of the modern cinema's Classic pairings.  I've just remembered a movie called Tampopo. It's a japanese take-off of the western. A truck driver stops at a Noodle bar road stop. He stays to help the female owner perfect the terrible noodle recipe, Shane, he gathers up a team of noodle experts to help him, The Magnificent Seven, and he fist fight a guy out on the prarie in long shot, The Big Country.  Oh there are parts in the rest of the movie I don't understand but lots of raunch though.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Jake C on June 03, 2015, 09:38:36 AM
Tough one for me. Let's see...as far as films go, I have a hard time thinking of something better than the Coen Bros. True Grit. It was well acted, the cinematography was excellent, and while not an exact copy, it stuck closer to the spirit of the book (which is fantastic, and should be read if you get the chance - it just drips authenticity).

For Television, it's a toss up between Hell on Wheels & Deadwood. Deadwood felt more authentic, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better TV western in terms of how it was shot, the budget, authenticity or character development. That being said, Hell on Wheels is just a ton of fun.

However, my number 1 spot might have to go to a video game called 'Red Dead Redemption.' The game is set in 1911, and follows a former outlaw who is being forced to track down and kill his former gang members. It was what got me interested in the Old West, and so I owe it a lot. One of those things that'll always have a special place in my heart.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on June 03, 2015, 10:55:31 AM
All good films, Big Country is a great film and the modern True Grit is also superb.  I watched Appaloosa Again last night, the modern version, and I love that little film because it is quiet and the characters are stoic and quaint as hell.  Really recommend it.

Both those TV westerns, Deadwood and Hell on Wheels are must watching for any cowboy.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: nagantino on June 03, 2015, 03:44:59 PM
So many great scenes in Big Country. On his first morning on the Majors Ranch, Jim takes a walk.
Jim: Good Morning
Cowboy: Howdy

Jim: Good Morning
Cowboy: Howdy

Jim: Howdy
Cowboy: Good Morning
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Blair on June 03, 2015, 04:15:19 PM
The overall cast of "The Big County" was also very well done.
A movie I like, as a whole, very much.
My best,
 Blair
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Gustav Ritter on February 24, 2016, 04:36:03 PM
Stagecoach (1939).  I'm not a big fan of John Wayne but he is great in this.  Andy Devine and John Carradine are also really good.  For more modern films I like the 2004 version of The Alamo (especially Billy Bob Thornton as David Crockett)  and Deadwood.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on February 25, 2016, 11:47:14 AM
Stagecoach (1939).  I'm not a big fan of John Wayne but he is great in this.  Andy Devine and John Carradine are also really good.  For more modern films I like the 2004 version of The Alamo (especially Billy Bob Thornton as David Crockett)  and Deadwood.

Good choices all
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Flatlander55 on March 09, 2016, 06:49:01 AM
My all time favorite is For A Few Dollars More. I also REALLY enjoyed the newer 310 to Uma, The Deadwood series, Hell On Wheels, and the newer True Grit, although is hard not to constantly see The Dude from the Big Labowski, also another timeless movie.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Scattered Thumbs on March 11, 2016, 05:48:14 PM
I must have already said this but...
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on March 14, 2016, 02:50:19 PM
My all time favorite is For A Few Dollars More. I also REALLY enjoyed the newer 310 to Uma, The Deadwood series, Hell On Wheels, and the newer True Grit, although is hard not to constantly see The Dude from the Big Labowski, also another timeless movie.

All good choices. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: MontanaBighorn on November 13, 2016, 07:12:26 PM
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Saw this today on a list.   ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: nagantino on November 20, 2016, 12:59:06 PM
Rango, an animation, is a fine western. Action and funny with a great range of western stalwarts. The director was Gore Virbinski who also gave us The Lone Ranger which was not quiet a bullseye but pretty good also.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Ben Beam on March 13, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
Just started reading My Sixty Years on the Plains: Trapping, Trading, and Indian Fighting by William Thomas Hamilton. A fascinating first-hand account. "William Thomas Hamilton was born into a wealthy family in England but was brought to American when he was two years old. A sickly youngster, he was sent west by his father in 1842 with a trapping party headed by “Old Bill” Williams (who would gain notoriety as the guide of General John C. Frémont’s fourth expedition into the Western territories) to improve his health. Hamilton remained in the West for the rest of his life. He died in Missoula, Montana."
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Cowtown on March 14, 2017, 03:21:48 PM
Too many to list in any rational order.

Rio Bravo
The Shootist
The Cowboys
Culpepper Cattle Company
Appaloosa
Lonesome Dove
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Good, Bad, Ugly/Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Open Range
Broken Trail
Winchester 73
3:10 to Yuma
True Grit  (s)
Monte Walsh (Selleck)

There just cain't not be no favorite! ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on June 20, 2017, 08:25:21 PM
What makes a movie a "Western".
Some of those mentioned here are westerns because the characters wore a 'cowboy' hat.
Civil War movies aren't westerns.
What is needed is specific minimum elements that must be present in a movie for it to be considered a western.
Below are some suggestions:

Cattle, horses, stagecoach, gunfight, Indians, time period, buffalo, miners, robbers, covered wagon, majestic landscapes, blacksmith, ranch, railroad, campfire, coyote/bear/deer/elk/eagle/buffalo/trout, sodbusters, plains, cavalry and forts. 

If the cowboys wear big hats and KISS their horse, that makes it a western...

Bill
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on June 26, 2017, 12:35:07 PM
Too many to list in any rational order.

Rio Bravo
The Shootist
The Cowboys
Culpepper Cattle Company
Appaloosa
Lonesome Dove
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Good, Bad, Ugly/Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Open Range
Broken Trail
Winchester 73
3:10 to Yuma
True Grit  (s)
Monte Walsh (Selleck)

There just cain't not be no favorite! ;D

Agree
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: dusty texian on June 26, 2017, 04:41:23 PM
So many good ones. Really like the movie ,    Valdez is coming !  ( Before I know better! ),,,DT
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt Quirk on June 26, 2017, 05:48:19 PM
I hope this doesn't get me hung, or worse, banned... but I was never a really big John Wayne fan. I'm sure that is heresy around here, but he was just too over the top. I mean, I enjoyed The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The War Wagon, but he wasn't my favorite star.

As I have mentioned in the other Western thread, I like Appaloosa.
I also love some Tom Selleck movies, Monte Walsh and Quigley Down Under-which technically isn't a western.
Jeramiah Johnson, which technically is a western.
The Quick and the Dead.
Deadwood, which isn't a movie, but is a western, none the less.
For a very tongue in cheek movie, Zachariah with Don Johnson, a Rock N Roll western.
And then there is The Ballad of Cable Hogue. I hate the singing, but still watch it for a laugh.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Mean Bob Mean on June 29, 2017, 01:29:13 PM
I hope this doesn't get me hung, or worse, banned... but I was never a really big John Wayne fan. I'm sure that is heresy around here, but he was just too over the top. I mean, I enjoyed The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The War Wagon, but he wasn't my favorite star.

Suggest you watch or watch again "The Quiet Man" with Wayne and Maureen O'Hara. 

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Stillwater on June 29, 2017, 02:51:00 PM
Too many to list in any rational order.

Rio Bravo
The Shootist
The Cowboys
Culpepper Cattle Company
Appaloosa
Lonesome Dove
The Outlaw Josie Wales
Good, Bad, Ugly/Fistful of Dollars/For a Few Dollars More
Open Range
Broken Trail
Winchester 73
3:10 to Yuma
True Grit  (s)
Monte Walsh (Selleck)

There just cain't not be no favorite! ;D

I like all of the movies you mentioned, with the addition of Monte Walsh with Lee Marvin.

True Grit with John Wayne was a good movie. I didn't care for the last one though. I thought almost everybody was miss-cast.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on June 29, 2017, 07:58:47 PM
I thought the casting in the remake was good, especially Mattie.

Different strokes ....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt Quirk on June 29, 2017, 08:11:00 PM
I thought the casting in the remake was good, especially Mattie.

Different strokes ....
Hey now! I remember watching Different Strokes, and it weren't no Western!  ::)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: greyhawk on June 29, 2017, 11:49:46 PM
I hope this doesn't get me hung, or worse, banned... but I was never a really big John Wayne fan. I'm sure that is heresy around here, but he was just too over the top. I mean, I enjoyed The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance and The War Wagon, but he wasn't my favorite star.

As I have mentioned in the other Western thread, I like Appaloosa.
I also love some Tom Selleck movies, Monte Walsh and Quigley Down Under-which technically isn't a western.
Jeramiah Johnson, which technically is a western.
The Quick and the Dead.
Deadwood, which isn't a movie, but is a western, none the less.
For a very tongue in cheek movie, Zachariah with Don Johnson, a Rock N Roll western.
And then there is The Ballad of Cable Hogue. I hate the singing, but still watch it for a laugh.

with you on the Duke thing - some good some ordinary - I liked Sam Elliot, Kostner, Selleck ----early westerns gave us some beeeyutiful scenery but then the guns and gear all out of sync - hate that! -- Back in the 50,s 60,s there would have been plenty of original guns around at reasonable cost, they could have made it authentic! Same for saddles and tack --- now we get the newer westerns and the language is so foul in some of em I just am not interested - not a wowser just spent a life working in male crews and tired of the disrespect of potty mouth language. Sure the old timers used it but I bet they never did around women.   
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt Quirk on June 30, 2017, 03:49:05 AM
This isn't necessarily a favorite, but if you get a chance, check out Gunless-  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwib__esluXUAhVKcD4KHdHdDSMQFghBMAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGunless&usg=AFQjCNED1P-kuwCFHwflo3IC0kIWgZRZyA (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwib__esluXUAhVKcD4KHdHdDSMQFghBMAg&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGunless&usg=AFQjCNED1P-kuwCFHwflo3IC0kIWgZRZyA)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: merlen on September 17, 2017, 02:44:55 PM
maybe it's very easy from my side, but it is The Good, Bad & Ugly
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 17, 2017, 05:24:35 PM
This isn't necessarily a favorite, but if you get a chance, check out Gunless-

I liked "Gunless" 'cause it's Canadian, eh? I am also familiar with the country where it was filmed. I think Paul Gross did a good job on a Western parody.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Roscoe on September 18, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
I would favor the one where they stop to reload after 5 shots. I just watched the modern Magnificent 7 and noticed only one scene before the ending gun battle, mostly with rifles, where there was any reloading, and then followed by a trick ejection that would never work on any of my guns. And I didn't get Denzel carrying reverse grip, strong side, but it is Hollywood.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt Quirk on September 18, 2017, 12:41:55 PM
I liked "Gunless" 'cause it's Canadian, eh? I am also familiar with the country where it was filmed. I think Paul Gross did a good job on a Western parody.
The best part of Gunless, is the end credits. They put all the gag scenes and gafs there. I was rolling!
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 18, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
Like the scene where Gross is explaining his life philosophy and the horse farts? Don't see that very often in Dusters. All of the bloopers were great and even better than the successful takes in the movie.

I gave a copy of the film to a pal whose deceased wife closely resembled the heroine of the story. Her favourite gun was a 5 shot Colt '49.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Capt Quirk on September 18, 2017, 05:58:50 PM
Like the scene where Gross is explaining his life philosophy and the horse farts? Don't see that very often in Dusters. All of the bloopers were great and even better than the successful takes in the movie.

I gave a copy of the film to a pal whose deceased wife closely resembled the heroine of the story. Her favourite gun was a 5 shot Colt '49.
"I'm a man, that's what I do" (Fart!) "He's a horse, that's what he does. I do it too sometimes, but I don't lift my tail."
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: MattSnow on November 15, 2017, 12:27:53 AM
One of my favorite westerns is Dead Man with Johnny Depp. Great story line, Depp played really impressive, just cut out for William Blake character. 1995 movie but the one I still remember when someone asks about a good movie. I like Depp not only for being a remarkable actor, but also for his personality and charity involvement, when he sold his house in France (https://tranio.com/france/adt/1635106/)  a generous sum of money went to charity (orphanage). Great man.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Jake C on November 15, 2017, 08:35:56 AM
I would favor the one where they stop to reload after 5 shots. I just watched the modern Magnificent 7 and noticed only one scene before the ending gun battle, mostly with rifles, where there was any reloading, and then followed by a trick ejection that would never work on any of my guns. And I didn't get Denzel carrying reverse grip, strong side, but it is Hollywood.

The reloading thing bothered me about that too. I thought Appaloosa did a good job about showing the characters reloading after using their firearms.

The butt-forward, strong side is actually a style I like. I carry my Cav. length SAA that way when I'm out in the country, and use the Cavalry-twist draw. Very comfortable way to carry and draw a long barreled pistol.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on November 15, 2017, 09:04:49 AM
Roscoe, if you were going into a gunfight would you only load 5?

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: greyhawk on November 15, 2017, 07:02:42 PM
Roscoe, if you were going into a gunfight would you only load 5?

Will Ketchum


Not likely!!
 
I betcha there wasnt many capguns out there ever saw a 5 shot load either - fillerup - hammer on the safety pin!

Always thought it kind of silly when the hero rackt the action on his lever gun just before he fires - hes just walked down the street (or through the brush or whatever) on the scout for trouble and he hasnt got one up the spout ?? Any deal like that (what its pretending to be) I would be loaded and cocked no empty and locked !!

We are talkin about a different time - back then I bet you reached behind the door for the shotgun - hauled back the hammer and went for it - wouldnt even think it might be empty! 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Jake C on November 16, 2017, 08:29:16 AM
Roscoe, if you were going into a gunfight would you only load 5?

Will Ketchum

Not if I had any time to prepare.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Slim45 on January 04, 2018, 01:02:35 PM
So many...... But top 3:

Winchester '73
Jeremiah Johnson
True Grit (Orig)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Roscoe on January 11, 2018, 03:59:37 PM
Roscoe, if you were going into a gunfight would you only load 5?

Will Ketchum

The better question is always whether you would walk around with a holstered gun that had a live round under the hammer. If reloading during a gunfight, I certainly see the point.. But do we really know what they did in those days, other than normally load 5?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 11, 2018, 04:02:17 PM
John Wayne covered that in "The Shootist".

Carry with five but load six if it looks like you're gonna need 'em. Or shoot a Ruger with transfer bar.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: ManuelH on March 23, 2018, 11:02:29 AM
The better question is always whether you would make the best use of these fat burners for men (https://www.muscleandfitness.com/supplements/best-fat-burners-for-men/) and walk around with a holstered gun that had a live round under the hammer. If reloading during a gunfight, I certainly see the point.. But do we really know what they did in those days, other than normally load 5?

I also wondered this as well. It certainly makes sense. Is this historically accurate btw? What are the sources?
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Jake C on March 23, 2018, 11:15:13 AM
John Wayne covered that in "The Shootist".

Carry with five but load six if it looks like you're gonna need 'em. Or shoot a Ruger with transfer bar.

Didn't they also mention this in the 'True Grit' (the book)? I swear I remember Maddie talking about Rooster loading a sixth round in his revolver when they were waiting to ambush Ned Pepper at the cabin.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Will Ketchum on March 23, 2018, 11:53:55 AM
There is plenty of historical evidence that 6 rounds were often loaded. One I can think of is when Wyatt Earp dropped his revolver and it went off sending the bullet through his coattail if I remember correctly.

There was also an account in a book about the Hash Knife Outfit where a deputy and a constable were after a faro robber who was dropping coins as he made his getaway.  The 2 lawmen rounded the corner and ran into the thief. They all commenced to shoot from about 5 feet all shots missing. The constable was the only one with 6 rounds in his gun and put it to the head of the robber and killed him.

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Tuolumne Lawman on March 30, 2019, 05:44:42 PM
My current favorites (in no particular order)

1) Lonesome Dove (original)
2) Open Range
3) Unforgiven
4) Culpepper Cattle Company
5) Broken Trail
6) Pale Rider (love those Remmies!)
7) Last Stand at Saber River
8) Crossfire Trail
9) Monte Walsh
10) the Shootist

I would generally carry 5 in the weapon, but certainly load a sixth if I was expecting trouble.  You can rest the firing pin between two cartridges fairly safely with 6 loaded.

Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Tuolumne Lawman on December 20, 2019, 01:43:49 PM
Also have an honorable mention for "Tombstone" and "Wyatt Earp".  I think it is interesting that my three favorite CAS guns: 1860 Henry figures in two of them (lonesome Dove, Saber River), 1875 Schofield figures in two of them (Crossfire Trail and Unforgiven), and 1860 cartridge conversion also figures in three of them (Wyatt Earp, Crossfire Trail, Saber River).....
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: G Dog on December 20, 2019, 02:49:03 PM
Missouri Breaks (1976).  Marlon Brando and Jack Nicholson.

I agree that the Lonesome Dove series is great.  Larry McMurtry?s book is even better.  Got a Pulitzer, if that counts.  Good to the last page (945).


Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: The Trinity Kid on December 26, 2019, 01:08:25 AM
Missouri Breaks (1976).  Marlon Brando and Jack Nicholson.

I agree that the Lonesome Dove series is great.  Larry McMurtry?s book is even better.  Got a Pulitzer, if that counts.  Good to the last page (945).

Correct on the McMurtry. I read the entire series in '17 while working for the USFS.  Good reads.

--TK
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 08, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
There is plenty of historical evidence that 6 rounds were often loaded. One I can think of is when Wyatt Earp dropped his revolver and it went off sending the bullet through his coattail if I remember correctly.

There was also an account in a book about the Hash Knife Outfit where a deputy and a constable were after a faro robber who was dropping coins as he made his getaway.  The 2 lawmen rounded the corner and ran into the thief. They all commenced to shoot from about 5 feet all shots missing. The constable was the only one with 6 rounds in his gun and put it to the head of the robber and killed him.

Will Ketchum

"It isn't the first round fired or the number of rounds fired that settles the matter, but the first round that finds the intended mark,"   Jeff Cooper USMCR

This was recently proven in a Texas church.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: RRio on April 30, 2020, 03:20:36 AM
My newest favorite is "Magnificent Seven" , the remake that is. The comradery between the seven reminds me of our old west theatrical group back in the '70s. It's a fun movie with lots of different gun and characters. Loved the character Jack Horne.

 ;)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: greyhawk on May 29, 2020, 09:39:12 AM
I just watched the lone ranger (for about the 47th time) - its just a bunch of fun - crazy stunt stuff and effects - no foul language - the good guys win in the end (kind of). Whats not to like - oh and six shooters that just keep firing and firing and firing .............. . The proper version of it was the first movie I ever saw as a kid. 
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Dave T on May 29, 2020, 02:21:15 PM
No real favorite but like so many others a list.

Near the top is "Open Range", then about every Western Tom Selleck and Sam Elliott ever did. Those made for TV movies of theirs got more guns and gear right before Hollywood did. For that I'd have to include the mini-series Lonesome Dove.

As far as old 1950s Hollywood Westerns go, my favorite was always "Rio Bravo". John Wayne was...well, John Wayne, but Walter Brennon's Stumpy was my all time favorite character/sidekick.

Dave
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Robert Swartz on September 14, 2020, 07:58:39 AM
my favorites?!!!!


Anyone remember "Gunfight"....or was it "Gunfighter" ...with Johnny Cash?


Really, really late to the party on this one. The name of the movie was "A Gunfight" starring Johnny Cash as Abe Cross and Kirk Douglass as Will Tannaray (or Tenneray, somethin' like that). Both aging gunfighters looking for a grubsteak. Was made in 1971. Remember seeing it at the Drive In in Greenwood, Indiana. One of those movies that I've never seen on TV. Similar to Burt Lancasters "Zulu Dawn". Not a western. Another modern movie that depicts the world of the late 1870's and the shape of conflicts and world events to come.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: greyhawk on September 14, 2020, 08:55:43 PM
Another sort of stylized Western that I like is "Red Garters" starring Rosie Clooney, Jack Carson and Guy Mitchell.  It's a kind of Western Comedy/Musical.  In that one they are always talking about "The Code of The West" and when that is said....all hats come off. 

Then, of course, there's the two Bob Hope Classics:  "Paleface" and "Son of Paleface".  Those are hilarious!

Must be the weather downunder - cant stand Bob Hope - instant channel changer for me  ;D
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Oldgold on May 11, 2021, 07:51:26 PM
Just saw one the other day I had never seen. Jericho. Great story. Does he get his wife and family back in the end?

Josey Wales, Tombstone, and about anything Sam Elliot, John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, Tom Selleck, Robert Duvall, or Kevin Costner is in.
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Wolfman0125 on July 19, 2021, 04:44:25 PM
If you ever wondered what a Movie would be like with both John Wayne and Clint Eastwood?  Here is why that picture was never made. I could see it now.

John Wayne: Well, I’ll tell ya little Fella, I got bushwhacked at the pass, and there ain’t enough room in this here picture for the both of us. And we are gonna have to flip a peso to see just who’s gonna kiss the girl at the end and all, and who is gonna ride off in the sunset.  And well gosh darn it, I wasn’t lookin to do all this shootin. If You keep shootin everybody the way you’re goin’ there ain’t gonna be anyone left for me to dust off at the showdown scene. Hey, are you listening to me Clint?”

Clint Eastwood:  “Old man, You talk too much. Now, you gonna jerk those pistols or whistle Dixie?”

John Wayne: “Why I oughtta…”

Clint Eastwood: “I wouldn’t if I were you.”

John Wayne:  “You shot six Comancheros to my one. Count ‘em six!  Why’d you have to go and do a thing like that for?  I never would have signed on to this picture if I’da known I was gonna be upstaged by my side kick.”

Clint Eastwood:  “The way I figured it, I thought you were my sidekick.”

John Wayne:  “Well Fella, I think there has gotta be some kinda mistake here, There ain’t no way in Hell I’m gonna play second fiddle to some no count low down high plains drifter who makes a livin’ killin’ every thing that moves in movies made in some foreign country where they eat Spaghetti for breakfast. Now, me personally, I make my movies in the good ol’ United States of America. And furthermore,I prefer to eat grits for breakfast.  True Grits that is.”

Clint Eastwood:  “I recon so.”

John Wayne: “Now Son, I ain’t seen Gabby Hayes, no old Mexican merchant, Injun, nor the first streetwise orphan kid, or even a midget in this God forsaken picture. And if it ain’t you, and it sure as Hell ain’t gonna be me, what happened to all the sidekicks in this sorry excuse for a movie?”

Clint Eastwood:  “I recon their dead.”

John Wayne: Well Tarnation to Betsy, Clint! How do you suppose they got themselves killed?”

Clint Eastwood: “Well John, I recon that’s what happens when a .44 caliber bullet meets you right between the eyes.  Especially when you disturb a man while he’s tryin’ to get a little shut-eye.”
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: casjim on August 20, 2021, 05:41:39 AM
My favorite one is the "Once Upon a Time in the West". It's a nice western movie that feels like a comedy half the time and a revenger’s tragedy in operatic guise for the other half. Routinely counted among the greatest westerns ever made. And I think, rightly so. My top 3 is  8)

1. Once Upon a Time in the West (1968)
2. The Searchers (1956)
3. Red River (1948)
Title: Re: What's your favorite Western?
Post by: Bart Slade on June 08, 2022, 04:26:50 PM
"Unforgiven" would be my favorite, but a pretty wide margin.

Followed by "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly".   

I've always been fond of "Fort Apache" as well.   Closely followed by 1000 others..