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Title: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1816flintlock on July 12, 2008, 06:29:41 PM
I've been over on the Spencer Shooting Society for a while now, but today I joined the cheap Sharps Rifle club.  I found an IAB Arms Sharps carbine at a gunshow today for $475.  It was being sold as a used gun, but considering that the face of the hammer is not even scuffed up, I doubt it has been shot at all.  The proof marks indicate that it was made in 1999.  Fit and finish while not equal to that of my Pedersoil paper cartridge Sharps or much less a Shiloh are decent.  I'm not out impress anyone.  I'll be glad to scratch the cartridge Sharps bug without spending myself into a hole.  I also bought brass and dies, have  a 45-70 mould around here somewhere.  Now to load up some ammo and give it a test in the next few days.       

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Stephen
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Delmonico on July 13, 2008, 12:22:07 PM
Wecome, we need a good name, got one?

BTW if tou decide you got took and need to get rid of it, just give it to me and I'll use it to hunt deer since I'm one of the folks who live in a state where they don't require you to use a danged bird gun to hunt deer. :)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: boot strap jack on July 20, 2008, 08:45:56 AM
Hey welcome to the club, have a great time with your new toy.
BSJ
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on July 26, 2008, 06:01:22 AM
 :)1816,  :o You stolded that gun!! I am happy for you :) I just bought just like your's, I traded because no cash and I gave allmost double! I hope they shoot good! If I was Rich, i would have a Shilo. But you have to do want you have to do!! I am researching Tang sites, that co. sells there own version of creedmore! I would like Soule But :( :( Disability oesn't pay much!!
Let me know how it shoots!! Mine is diff thamn yours mine has oct barrel set triggers and a few more bells, I still want to know how it shoots.
Thanks
ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on August 06, 2008, 01:34:08 AM
Wecome, we need a good name, got one?

BTW if tou decide you got took and need to get rid of it, just give it to me and I'll use it to hunt deer since I'm one of the folks who live in a state where they don't require you to use a danged bird gun to hunt deer. :)


Whaddya mean, Glen?

I formed the (virtual) "Cheapo Big-Bore Rifle Club" a year or 2 ago!  CBBRC I guess. 

If ya have a Shiloh or a C.Sharps (or any other MORE expensive fine rifle) you don't belong - unless you bought that Shiloh or C.Sharps (or whatever) for $50 at the local Pawn shop!  ;D  In which case I bow to YOU!  ;)

Worst thing is, it now costs more in gas for me to shoot my CBBRC Armi Sport Sharps than it does to buy the powder to feed it!  :P
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on August 06, 2008, 05:02:55 PM
You got that right SH! :o I don't know how a average person can go anywhere, just nwhen you think you can breath again, gas goes sky high which makes every thing you need go up because it cost so much to get it to the store!!
  Something has to give soon!! If you and the misses wants to go out to ea it cost you $20.00 to get there and back, then $40.00 for the meal, can't go see a movie, because if you got the money to get tickets you don't have $30.00 for 2 big drinks a big bucket of popcorn and a box of Milk diuds.
 The good old days are gone!!! Having a child is the greatest thing in the world, but what about your grand kids, what do they have to look forward to!!
 And here we are with our Buffalo Guns and NO Buffalo to shoot and eat!!
 I cannot see how a $5000.00 rifle could shoot $4000.00 better bthan mine! Back 15 years ago when i was big into bird hunting, i had a friend that shot a old piece of junk shotgun, he finaly bought a new Browning shotgun, but he never took it hunting?????
Never could ever figure that out, it was just a BPS.
I better go!
Later ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Delmonico on August 06, 2008, 07:06:59 PM
Sorry Jeff, I forgot.

Gas will cost you some, but the bar and grill down the street from me has a 14 oz Sirloin dinner for $5.99 or the 26 oz one for $9.99, includes a veggie, tater, salad and dinner roll.  Ate there many times, just good plain ol' food. ;D 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on August 06, 2008, 07:36:04 PM
I'll have the 26 oz one, please - medium rare.

See ya in October.  I hope.

I guess the CBBRC that I started in jest is now a reality!  There's AT LEAST 10 fellers who want to be a part of it!

 ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Oregon Bill on September 06, 2008, 10:31:42 AM
1816: If your IAB shoots straight for you, there's not a thing wrong with it. Might lay in a spare firing pin, but you need to do that with almost any Sharps. Know who once told me he keeps an IAB around for a knockabout hunting Sharps? None other than Dave Gullo, owner of Buffalo Arms.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 06, 2008, 11:54:05 AM
Howdy!

Flintlock, ol' buddy - you got the Deal of the Day!


Less than $500 for ANY rifle these days (OK ... not counting 22s  ;) ) is great!

Enjoy, and here's a  BIG  Welcome  to the Brotherhood of the CBBRC!


Keep yer powder dry!

Jeff  "Steel Horse Bailey"
Founder - Cheapo Big-Bore Rifle Club  ::)  Does this mean I'm the #1 Cheapo Big Bore?
 :o  ;D



 :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on September 06, 2008, 12:16:51 PM
 :)Hody Pards!
Lets say you had your machine shop, and in your spare time you build a Single Shot 45-70, or what ever Rifle, and you ended up with $50.00 in it, Even if it looked like a club, if it was safe and shot well who cares what anyone else cares! When I was a teemager most of the kids I grew up with, there folks had money and when we all started High School, there parents bought them all nice classic Hot Rod cars, I didn't come from money and had to by my own car, but my Old big dodge would blow there doors off!! Because of my dad's back ground, being a mechanic, I learn how to Hop up that Old 383 for a small amount of money!
 When I got serious about Big Game Hunting, all the guys I hunted with all had, Browning, Wheatherby, Sako, ect.!  bought a Ruger #1, at that time they were $325.00 brand new, and i got lucky and bought one with AA fancy wood, and I put a Cheap 6x18x40 Tasco scope, then when I got the money I moved to a Redfield scope, and as time went on, I bought  2 more #1, those number 1 Ruger would shoot lot better groups than those high dollar guns! KNow you look at the Ruger #1's know, they are considered Top notch rifles! No matter what you buy, if it is made out of good steel, and put toghter properly, the name means nothing!  hope that I have not over stepped my option on anyone, that was and is not what I wanted!

Just my 2 cents! I am a member of this club because my Sharps is a 1874 45-70 IAB,Imported by TriStar!
ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on September 06, 2008, 01:11:24 PM


     ::) :o ;D 8) Ace Buddy, that is a Dang Nice, and Beautiful 1874 IAB Sharps Rifle, and you should be Proud to own it , it will probably shoot as well as it looks. ;D ;D 8)


                                                          tEN wOLVES  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 07, 2008, 05:08:22 PM
Ace, ol' buddy, you're in with the rest of us who refuse to worship a name-brand.  I have NO illusions about the quality of my rifle to anyone's costing $2-$3000 MORE than mine.  I'm a man of simple needs: all I need is a rifle that will shoot better than me.  ::)  ;)


That used to mean more than it does these days, but ...
 ;D

Jeff "Steel Horse Bailey"
Founder of the CBBRC
"I'm not just a member, I founded this club!"
 :D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cyrille on September 08, 2008, 09:49:13 AM

Whaddya mean, Glen?

I formed the (virtual) "Cheapo Big-Bore Rifle Club" a year or 2 ago!  CBBRC I guess. 

If ya have a Shiloh or a C.Sharps (or any other MORE expensive fine rifle) you don't belong - unless you bought that Shiloh or C.Sharps (or whatever) for $50 at the local Pawn shop!  ;D  In which case I bow to YOU!  ;)

Worst thing is, it now costs more in gas for me to shoot my CBBRC Armi Sport Sharps than it does to buy the powder to feed it!  :P

Ah'm not shore I'd be welcome in yer CBBRC club; but if'n y'u don't mind my askin, what are th rules?  an th price limit on BPCRs. Mine's a Pedersoli .45/70 frum Dixie Gun Werks, the MSRP waz $1,050.00 when ordered it. but I paid $1,000.00 fer it.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ol Gabe on September 08, 2008, 05:19:43 PM
OK, Buckos, the guantlet has jist been thrown down!
The CVR NCOWS Posse is having it's annual Fall Buffalo Shoot September 26-28, 2008, and I, 'Ol Gabe, as a Pedersoli owner, challenge any of you "C.S.C." owners to an off-line Shoot-off!
I'll put up a $50 CASH challenge bet that you can't beat my score on the two-day event! If you can, you get the $50 in CASH!
Please go to the CVR website for details at: www.cedarvalleyregulators.org
Click on the '2008 Events' and then scroll down to the Fall Buffalo Shoot for details.
This will give all you "C.S.C." owners a chance to prove your 'cheap' rifle can beat mine!
OK, no offense meant or implied, I'm jist giving you all a chance to come out to Iowa and prove your IAB or whatever, can out shoot my Pedersoli, and if it can you, get a $50 CASH prize and bragging rights for a year! If not, well, I'll jist let it slip quietly into the bandwidth.
To qualify for this, you must post your intent and then introduce yourself to me at the beginning of the actual event during the 'Safety Meeting' to set up our challenge as it is NOT part of the regular event. If nobody shows, the money goes into NEXT YEARS CHALLENGE, yup, $100 for 2009!
Best regards, good traveling and shooting!
'Ol Gabe
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Delmonico on September 08, 2008, 06:57:47 PM
Wish I could Gabe, with the GAF muster the next weekend and the Filley Stone Barn the next one, I ain't gonna be able to, worst dang thing with bein' such a good cook is it kinda messes up my shootin' at times. ;D 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on September 09, 2008, 08:59:49 PM
Ol Gabe,
 I am sorry that there seems to be a communitation problem here! i think what the C.S.C. are people like me that can't afford a higher priced Sharps! When I was shooting Skeet in the late 70's a friend of mine was Shooting a Custom Made Kreioff 4 barrel set, that he paid $80,000.00 for, I bought a New Browning 4 barrel set for $3500.00, no doubt in my mine which gun was made better! My friend was the World Champion Doubles Shooter 4 years in a row.
 But i think if he took my gun and sot it for a year, he would of broke as many targets?
 
Ol Gabe I ment no disrecard by belonging to the C.S.C., but I think that everyone that is in the group are pround of what they have, and are like me, cannot afford anything that cost more. If I would of had to pull out the cash to buy my IAB, I couldn't of done it but I had enough trading stock that I could afford to trade, so i ended up with my Dream gun A Sharps Buffalo Gun>

 This is what I realy would like to have, but if the Doctor's are right, I won't do much shooting out of a wheel chair!

ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 10, 2008, 12:23:15 AM
Howdy!

Ol' Gabe, Ace has got it right.  We Brethren of the CBBRC aren't saying that our rifles are particularly better than any others - they prob'ly ain't!  It's just that we're proud to own whut we got, and we don't have to have the top-of-the-line Shiloh with Montana Precision sights to have fun!  We feel that while we may or may NOT shoot our rifles any better than more expensive versions, we can have as much fun!!!!!  (Gary, put your money away.  Don't want anybody takin' us too serious, ya know.)
 ;D
This brings me to my second part:
Ah'm not shore I'd be welcome in yer CBBRC club; but if'n y'u don't mind my askin, what are th rules?  an th price limit on BPCRs. Mine's a Pedersoli .45/70 frum Dixie Gun Werks, the MSRP waz $1,050.00 when ordered it. but I paid $1,000.00 fer it.

Cyrille, ol' pard - I don' know.  Iffn ya WANT to consider your rifle as one that belongs in the CBBRC, that's fine with me.  And Welcome to ya if ya do!  From what I hear, those Pedersolis don't have to hide their faces at competitions 'cause they are very nice guns.  Way I hear it, the traditional BPCR group may THINK that the Peders don't belong with their Shilohs or C.Sharps or Ballards or any of the fine custom Rollers, but some of the Peder shooters have been takin' some of the trophies from the "better than them" minded folk.  I sorta figure that when a guy passes on more than a grand to buy his big-bore, then he's crossed the line away from the CBBRC.  Since yours was right at a grand - well, yer welcome to come sit by the fire with us iffn ya want.  What the CBBRC means to me is (sorta paraphrasin' or storyin' here) kinda like when them serious guys fergit that some of us may not have as deep a pockets as them.  Mostly they don't want to have ME and like-minded "budget shooters" sit down with them!

This brings me to point 3:  Rules.

"There ain't no rules at a knife fight" - oh wait - that's whut Butch said to Harvey just as he planted about 4" of boot-leather right up his arse.

RULES AND CONDITIONS FOR MEMBERSHIP IN THE CBBRC

Rule #1 - There ain't NO rules; if you ain't havin' fun, you ain't doin' it right!

Our Motto: Cheapo guns CAN be fun!

Membership (Life, of course) is $10,000,000.00.  (That's 10 Million, fellers!)  If you can't meet that figure, then ... don't sweat the small stuff.  You can owe me.

Or not.  ;)


This is  "Virtual" club.  No numbers.  No rules.  No raggin' on ANYone's gun 'cause of the price!  (Which is WHY I brought this up in the FIRST place! 
 ;D

Oh, by the way: while there aren't many cheapo Rollers or Hi-Walls or any other type out there, this "club" welcomes ANY Big-Bore rifle that meets the criteria. 

Have a Nice Day!


Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Buffalow Red on September 10, 2008, 07:26:58 AM
so what do you guys think of the H&R trapdoor 1873 spring
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cyrille on September 10, 2008, 08:44:29 AM
Gee Ah don't know--- is it anything like a "slinky?" ;D ::)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on September 10, 2008, 04:48:56 PM
Havn't had the chance to see one in person, so I don't have any references for you But since it is a Trapdoor and that is classed as a rifle designed by our for fathers, your in the club if you want!!
 I went on Gun Broker the other night, and since I have to sell my Harley, there was a guy that had a custom made Sharps engraved all over Gold Buffalo's on it, AAA plus wood and checking, asking $3600.00 , I told about my Harley and how much I was asking, and I told him I wood allow him his $3600.00 in on trade, his reply was it wasn't his gun, but if it was he would do it! (Nice way to answer without hurting my feeling!)

Later
ACE
CBBRC Member
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Buffalow Red on September 10, 2008, 06:28:46 PM
Gee Ah don't know--- is it anything like a "slinky?" ;D ::)
SO WHAT THE H---- IS A SLINKY GUN
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on September 10, 2008, 08:45:15 PM
I think he was pulling your chain, he just meant a slinny toy. Take no offense to this, pecause the HR, break open action was never a design in the 1800's it isn't fair well with the Cowboy Shooters! I am sure they are fine rifles!  There are a lot of people who had bad exexperence with the Old IAB Sharps or new someone that did, that you mention you own a IAB, they turn there nose up! The Tompson Center Contender copy a lot of H&R's mecs., but i don't like them !!
It is to each is own! i don't have $2000.00 for a C Sharps or a Shiloh Sharps!

Hope you find what you want!
ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 11, 2008, 03:10:30 AM
Howdy!

Buff, Ace nailed it.  The H&R is similar to an old design, but not a copy or a repro.

That said, it IS a Big-Bore rifle and I'll bet there are a lot of snooty shooters who wouldn't pay attention to anyone with an H&R, and they are priced very reasonably, so ...

Have fun!

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Buffalow Red on September 11, 2008, 06:59:30 AM
THANKS for your response
im now concedering a trap door by H&R
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cyrille on September 12, 2008, 08:23:35 AM
so what do you guys think of the H&R trapdoor 1873 spring

 Hey man I was funinn, Didn't you see the smileys? You ended your question with the word "spring" I know what you meant by that but I took the literal meaning of the word "spring" and made a "pun"  Didn' mean to offend you. :'(
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Buffalow Red on September 12, 2008, 06:26:39 PM
OK WERE ALL COOL, my mistake, thanks for your responces, when you dont know or are new to a different part of this game its nice to get youall's ideas
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on September 16, 2008, 08:45:13 PM
How about this?  HALF a Pedersoli for less than $1,000!

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14470&osCsid=2d5e6ddfa15a6827de35bdd37d3490f7
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 17, 2008, 05:34:15 AM
How about this?  HALF a Pedersoli for less than $1,000!

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=14470&osCsid=2d5e6ddfa15a6827de35bdd37d3490f7


Not much of a bargain that I can see - 'tho I'm not sure what a barrel would cost. 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on September 17, 2008, 11:43:01 AM
How about this?  And then there is the fitting, finishing, & mounting sights!

http://www.badgerbarrelsinc.com/custombarrels.htm?76,12
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on September 17, 2008, 01:38:17 PM
Once you shoot a Badger barrel, you don't spend any more time whinin about the price. ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Col. Cornelius Gilliam on September 17, 2008, 05:36:09 PM
Howdy,

I picked up a used IAB Sharps carbine a few years ago for under $425.  A fun little gun for the price.  I only shoot black powder through it, using the Lyman 385gr RN bullet thats a copy of the Govt. carbine bullet.

Two problems with it though:

1.  The barrel mikes out around 0.454" diameter - not super accurate with the typical 0.458" diameter lead bullets, but OK.

2.  It shot very high (18") at 50 yards (like every other 45-70 single shot carbine I have tried).  I corrected this by installing a higher brass blade front sight.

The 45-70 single shot carbines are fun to shoot with black powder!!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: boot strap jack on September 21, 2008, 04:42:45 PM
We may need to modify the price range for the CSRC. Just seen a tristar listed for $1050.00 on GB. That would put the older pedersoli's in the club.
BSJ
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 21, 2008, 05:24:49 PM
We may need to modify the price range for the CSRC. Just seen a tristar listed for $1050.00 on GB. That would put the older pedersoli's in the club.
BSJ


I see your point, but let's keep it under a grand for now.  I don't know if older Pedersolis are any better or worse than the current models, but ... as long as the Fed keeps DE-valuing the dollar to cater to the billionaire crowd er, ... Europe in the name of Free Trade, the comparative values will move around.  Pretty soon, the Dollar won't be worth $.50 ... oh, wait - that's about where it is now.  ::)  On a good day.

My Sharps repro, one of the Armi Sport models sold by Taylor's, is now over that magical $1000 limit, too.  I'm not familiar with any guns imported by Tristar, but I don't think they're from P'soli - at least not now.  They're listed on their website at $969 (as of Sep. '08) but they don't mention who actually manufactures their repro Sharps. 


Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: GABulldog on September 21, 2008, 05:37:38 PM
Howdy All!

I just bought a Tristar which is manufactured by I.A.B  I got mine for about $730 with shipping.  I hope it is all it's cracked up to be, as this will be my meat/"not on my land", gun for a while.  I am currently oversees, but my new girl should be waiting for me with my old(er) girl when I get home.  Anyone who has one of the '74 deluxe sporters I would love to hear how she shoots, oh and whether these guns can be shot smokeless.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on September 21, 2008, 06:28:54 PM
 :)I hope to give you a answer tomorrow night, or Tuesday night, I have oqned mine for over a month and just now got all set up to go to the range and se what she does, I am sure it will shoot better than I can!
You all have a good one!
ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on September 24, 2008, 06:49:14 AM
 :)Howdy Pards,
 Well although I own a cheap sharps it has a mighty  fine barrel, the trigger group is excellent, I wouldn't recommend Tristar Creedmoore sites, i don't think they have a problem with being accurate, it's that i had to send in my first set back, they weren't made right, and I allready had problems with the long range tang, I belive I can fix it, but a person shouldn't have to work on a New site ::)
 With everything to take in perspective, I am not dis pleased one bit! For my self, I won't  be trading it off for a different brand, the rifle shoots better than I can shoot it! I still have many thing to learn about this type of shooting, and know it will take a long time! It is fun to see the fire and smoke from real Black Powder, it does take a little time to clean for a beginner, but all in all, if you want a fun rifle to shoot in the Sharps design, There isn't anything wrong with a IAB for the money! :)

 I hope that I havn't bored you all to death with my commints, yes i would like to handle one of the Higher priced Sharps, but I didn't say I would buy one, for the differnce in money I can go buy 2 or 3 more guns!

Later ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Alabama on September 24, 2008, 07:58:45 AM
Just like one of you Wise ( wise-acre ) men quoted on one of these threads I read recently , " as soon as someone wins with an IAB then they will become the rage to owne too " .
Sage words there !
Pedersoli never won anything till they won something , right .  ;D
Just because you owne a Shilo don't mean you can hit the broadside of the barn with it . Not that I wouldn't want one or owne one myself , just cannot afford it though , currently . Beauty doesn't win target shooting , practice does . Most Shilo owners think Pedersoli is crap , compaired . Pedersoli owners think IAB is crap , compaired . Pretty soon when IAB wins something , IAB owners will know they are all good rifles . Too bad it won't work the other way around ? But that's just people  ;D
I owne none of them by the way , but watching this board tells me there is allot of rivalry with brands , and allot of people whom think thier %**%$ don't stink because they owne a Shilo or better . Just my observation is all . Typical for the human race there .
It is the old arrogance of " My Sig .45 will outshoot your Colt .45 any day of the week " ..... Blah blah blah .
Is Sig nicer ? Yes . Will it outshoot your Colt ? Not likely . Is the owner of a Shilo or better a better shot ? No . There you go .
Are they made better ? Yes. Can you win with an IAB ? Yes . End of story .
If I do get one , it most likely won't be a Shilo or better . It may not even be Pedersoli !!!!! I love the CROW that will be eatin as soon as IAB wins . But you won't hear anyone with real nice guns giving congrats , you'll hear how they were just having a bad day
and that's how IAB won . That is exactly what happened when Pedersoli won too , first time . I guess Shilo and better have had allot of bad days out recently !!!! Soon as IAB wins , they are really going to have some bad days out , because allot of poor people will be kickin your a$$ too . JMHO which aint so humble, its truth .  ;D I like people whom want nice guns because they are nice guns , not because they have a name attatched to it . Your gun aint a Buffalo gun unless you have killed Buffalo either .
I am sure i will become part of the Cheap Sharps Club if I do buy one soon though  ;D

Alabama



Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on September 24, 2008, 02:42:02 PM
Just like one of you Wise ( wise-acre ) men quoted on one of these threads I read recently , " as soon as someone wins with an IAB then they will become the rage to owne too " .
Sage words there !
Pedersoli never won anything till they won something , right .  ;D
Just because you owne a Shilo don't mean you can hit the broadside of the barn with it . Not that I wouldn't want one or owne one myself , just cannot afford it though , currently . Beauty doesn't win target shooting , practice does . Most Shilo owners think Pedersoli is crap , compaired . Pedersoli owners think IAB is crap , compaired . Pretty soon when IAB wins something , IAB owners will know they are all good rifles . Too bad it won't work the other way around ? But that's just people  ;D
I owne none of them by the way , but watching this board tells me there is allot of rivalry with brands , and allot of people whom think thier %**%$ don't stink because they owne a Shilo or better . Just my observation is all . Typical for the human race there .
It is the old arrogance of " My Sig .45 will outshoot your Colt .45 any day of the week " ..... Blah blah blah .
Is Sig nicer ? Yes . Will it outshoot your Colt ? Not likely . Is the owner of a Shilo or better a better shot ? No . There you go .
Are they made better ? Yes. Can you win with an IAB ? Yes . End of story .
If I do get one , it most likely won't be a Shilo or better . It may not even be Pedersoli !!!!! I love the CROW that will be eatin as soon as IAB wins . But you won't hear anyone with real nice guns giving congrats , you'll hear how they were just having a bad day
and that's how IAB won . That is exactly what happened when Pedersoli won too , first time . I guess Shilo and better have had allot of bad days out recently !!!! Soon as IAB wins , they are really going to have some bad days out , because allot of poor people will be kickin your a$$ too . JMHO which aint so humble, its truth .  ;D I like people whom want nice guns because they are nice guns , not because they have a name attatched to it . Your gun aint a Buffalo gun unless you have killed Buffalo either .
I am sure i will become part of the Cheap Sharps Club if I do buy one soon though  ;D

Alabama
 

                                 
Well said Alabama

                                                         tEN wOLVES ;) :D ;D
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Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: GABulldog on September 24, 2008, 05:25:59 PM
Howdy Folks,

Thanks for all the advice/encouragement concerning IAB.  I hope mine is as dandy as everyone elses, though I'm still waitin' on her to ship from the shop it's at.  This is my first blackpowder cartridge gun.  I was gunning for a Marlin 1895 Cowboy, but the shop I ordered from messed up their website and didn't actually have the gun in stock.  So I did what any red-blooded Georgia boy would do, I gave in to my memory/fantasies about old Matt Quigley's famous rifle.  I bought the 32 inch Deluxe Sporter.  I hope it is a post block safety rifle, which I've heard are a pain.  Anyway, I am also looking for roundnose hardcast bullets as I intend to become a reloader as well.  I can't find the dang things online to save my life.  I can only find one or two weights here or there on midway.  Am I looking in the wrong spot or am I gonna have to start casting my own?  Any help there would be appreciated as well.  Thanks again to all you "Cheap Sharps" brothers. :)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 25, 2008, 03:19:22 AM
Howdy Folks,

Thanks for all the advice/encouragement concerning IAB.  I hope mine is as dandy as everyone elses, though I'm still waitin' on her to ship from the shop it's at.  This is my first blackpowder cartridge gun.  I was gunning for a Marlin 1895 Cowboy, but the shop I ordered from messed up their website and didn't actually have the gun in stock.  So I did what any red-blooded Georgia boy would do, I gave in to my memory/fantasies about old Matt Quigley's famous rifle.  I bought the 32 inch Deluxe Sporter.  I hope it is a post block safety rifle, which I've heard are a pain.  Anyway, I am also looking for roundnose hardcast bullets as I intend to become a reloader as well.  I can't find the dang things online to save my life.  I can only find one or two weights here or there on midway.  Am I looking in the wrong spot or am I gonna have to start casting my own?  Any help there would be appreciated as well.  Thanks again to all you "Cheap Sharps" brothers. :)


Howdy, G(eorgia) Bulldog!

I can't advise ya much on casting.  I cast my own BigLube boolits for my 45 Colt pistols/rifles, but while I have tried to cast (a Postell 535 gr.) for my 45-70 Sharps (Budget model  ;) ) I haven't had much luck with it. Yet.  Casting these BIG bullets is waaaay harder than the smaller boolits and requires a longer "learning curve."  IMHO.  (Yer mileage may vary)

However, loading BP rounds for any BP cartridge is pretty simple, as far as the basics.  Fill the case full of powder (your favorite brand; 2F Goex being probably the most common) so that when you seat the bullet, you compress the powder 1/8" to 1/4" with a wad between the bullet and powder.  Generally - depending on the powder used and the granulation you choose - you'll probably get between 58-63 grs. of powder.  It is a volume thing: don't worry about the weight much, just make sure the case is full with NO airspace between the powder and bullet.  Most loaders are using regular large rifle powders, but some recommend magnum primers and now there is a growing number of BPCR shooters who advocate using large PISTOL primers.  The REAL key is finding the load that YOUR rifle likes best.  One other VERY important thing about loading/shooting BP: Ya gotta use LOTS of lube - you can't hardly use too much!

Have fun!

There is a LOT of useful information about BP loading on the Darksider's Den and its' child board, the Dark Arts. 


Keep yer powder dry !

 ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: French Jack on September 25, 2008, 06:08:46 AM
All items needed to load your own you can find at:  http://www.buffaloarms.com  ..  they are good folks and will treat you right.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: GABulldog on September 25, 2008, 03:58:05 PM
Thanks again to all y'all fine folk, I am further down the path to enlightenment.  My IAB shipped today, so hopefully the Mrs. can pick it up in a few days.  I was reading around, and have now considered the possibility of going paper patched.  I hear it is what these guns were designed for so they are what is best.  Also I hear there is no better hunting bullet than a ppb.  Are there any special considerations such as press type/die type?  If this is the route to go I would like to know so I don't spend money on things I don't need.  I know part of the fun is experimentation, but the wife probably would like it if I kept the price down on my science project known as reloading.  Also I ordered some bulk ammo and I have no idea what kind of brass it will have.  Should I buy new winchester or starline and not even risk the stuff I have ordered after it is shot?  All y'alls help is greatly appreciated, as I have spent the last four years (career wise)with a peashooter with a one in seven twist.  Three round burst is cool, but I need to get away from these derned black rifles throwing 60 grain B.B.s.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on September 25, 2008, 04:25:33 PM
I'ld counsel you to just start into this gently :) Learn the basics of bp reloading and shooting grease groove bullets before trying to move on to paper patch. If you're trying to do this on the cheap paper patchin ain't the way to go, paper patch molds (blocks only ) start at 115$ and go up  :o
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: GABulldog on September 25, 2008, 08:15:07 PM
I reckoned I would buy pre-patched bullets.  I will likely start with lubed grooved bullets first though anyway, just to get a feel for pressing and such. 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on September 25, 2008, 09:50:53 PM
I reckoned I would buy pre-patched bullets.  I will likely start with lubed grooved bullets first though anyway, just to get a feel for pressing and such. 

 Last I looked those prepatched were over 50 cents  each. ::)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Buckeye Chuck on November 12, 2008, 01:15:24 PM
I just recently bought an Armi Sport 1859 Sharps Carbine (used) in great to next to new shape. It orginally came from Taylors. I saw on Taylors and Armi sports web sites that they have brass tubes that act as cartridges from them. So I bought a pack from Taylors but when trying them out the tubes don't go all the way into the chamber. The one I tried sticks out of the chamber 7/16" into the block area. Could the floating chamber be in backwards?  :o Has anyone else have any experience with these that could help me.
Thanks
Buckeye Chuck
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on November 29, 2008, 03:58:58 PM
I did get out the other night and shot my cheap Sharps! I shoot at a friend of mines range and I don't shoot there unless he is there, because he has a lead sled, and that thing is a back saver with those 500gr bullets. The shooting conditions we terriable, just about dark, sun shining in from the left side, could not harly see threw the sites, shot 10- 385gr bullets and 10- 500gr, shot them at 100 yards, and put all 20 in a 4" cicrle, pretty crappy shooting, but I can blame it on the sun! Not a bery good reason!1
 I worked on making my own sled today, and I hope to get my brother to finish it tomorrow! If so, i can go to our range and realy try to see if the cheapy will shoot!! Whit my load, I am using, 58gr of German FFG, 60thfiber wad and 25th card board, with light powder compresson. I used the same load with both bullets! The 385 shot a little higher than the 500gr! I can't tell you if the cheap Sharps will be a tac driver, but I think with more shooting, and I might have to glass bed the forarm, it will be not half bad! My barrel mics 457, and I use a 459 sizing die, and all it does is lube them! We are expecting snow tomorrow, but maybe a warm up the last of the week, and if I get the sled done, I will get some shooting in, during daylight and might get some better resullts! Won't know how to shoot with light to see the target!
Later ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Gripmaker on November 30, 2008, 06:39:08 PM
Just got through reading all 5 pages of this post and have enjoyed it immensely. I do have some news that might be of interest and that is that IAB has won many matches already. I met a young man who works for Lee Shaver out of Lamar, MO and mentioned that I was looking for an IAB Sharps and how so many BPCR shooters seem to look down on it. His reply was that Lee (who has won many a match) uses an IAB-based rifle. I assume that means the receiver is about all that is still IAB and even it has probably seen extensive reworking but it is an IAB none-the-less, technically speakin' of course. I love it when snooty folks is found with egg on their face.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on November 30, 2008, 08:02:31 PM
Just got through reading all 5 pages of this post and have enjoyed it immensely. I do have some news that might be of interest and that is that IAB has won many matches already. I met a young man who works for Lee Shaver out of Lamar, MO and mentioned that I was looking for an IAB Sharps and how so many BPCR shooters seem to look down on it. His reply was that Lee (who has won many a match) uses an IAB-based rifle. I assume that means the receiver is about all that is still IAB and even it has probably seen extensive reworking but it is an IAB none-the-less, technically speakin' of course. I love it when snooty folks is found with egg on their face.


Right on, Lee Shaver!


I put his budget model sights on my budget model rifle and I love 'em!

Ya made my day, Gripmaker!!!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: GABulldog on December 10, 2008, 09:00:56 PM
Hey boys I just got my IAB!  I am excited as heck to shoot her, but we have had a bit of foul weather.  I have a decent little rear sight on it, and will be looking for a front globe.  Anyone got any cheap suggestions?  I will post more info once I have put some hot lead down range. 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on December 11, 2008, 10:05:18 AM
Lyman model 17 front globe.  A classic and still goin like the bunny.  Fits a 3/8th dovetail.  Three heights,  I'd say get the lowest one.  Comes with a pack of steel inserts.  MVA inserts can be obtained in a greater choice of patterns.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on December 11, 2008, 11:22:25 AM
And there ya have it, folks.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Glenn on December 15, 2008, 02:39:16 PM
I got my Sharps Borchardt Hunters Rifle with a 36" octagon, rotten stock and rough barrel for $75.  It has been bored to .50 and restocked in original style. 
I guess I should mention, I got it in 1968.  It's still one of my favorite guns and lots of fun to shoot.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ol Gabe on December 16, 2008, 08:00:36 AM
Glenn,
Just curious, what company name is on the rifle and did you track down the serial number as it might have some interesting history behind it.
Best regards and good shooting!
'Ol Gabe

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on December 22, 2008, 10:39:28 AM
 :)Howdy Pards, You all are not going to believe this, but here 3 weeks ago I decided to sell or trade my Master Caster, because I wasn't going to be able to use it like it was designed to be used! So I took in on trade another IAB Sharps that was imported by EMF, it looks almost identical to my Tri Star IAB, other than the barrel is matte finish, except it says Gardone VT made in Italy. It has to be the same rifle, has that dumb saftey on it. And I havn't been out to shoot it, because it hasn't been above 20 degrees since I got it! The gentleman that I got it from, told me it would knock down chickens all day long off hand! It has a decent creedmore site, other than  the windage adjustment is pretty funky! Instead of having the adjusment screw as a one peice unit, it is a 2 screw adjustment!! It is okay, just have to get used to it! And if I keep it, I will have to change the eye cup! the hole in the eye cup is big enough to use in the dark :o :o
 I am just wanting to see if it shoots better than my new one! I can't see owning to of the same guns in the same caliber? But I don't want to rebarrel it, unless i just find a bargin barrel. I looks like at least another week before i can go shoot!
Later
ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on December 30, 2008, 05:08:14 PM
Looks good, Ace!

Your IAB is a fair bit different than my Taylors Armi Sport.  Yours is browned and my forearm has the small flair downward at the front.  Your wood is checkered, too - not mine.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on December 30, 2008, 06:46:44 PM
Jeff, My 74 has the beavertail forearm and the barrel is deep blue. I didn't even notice they weren't the same model untill TW pointed out how much bigger the hammer was on this new to me IAB called a 1866. So much to learn so little time to learn it in!
later ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cole Younger on January 29, 2009, 09:39:07 PM
Don't know if I qualify or not.  Here's my Pedersoli 1874 Sharps Business Rifle.  I paid $650 for it used.

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/kiddglock/Sharps.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cyrille on January 30, 2009, 06:39:33 AM
You should "qualfy" I paid $1,ooo.oo for mine , I believe that is the "cutoff"point.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: PickKimbel¶ on January 30, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
Just caught the Shiloh rifle bug again when a pard that was just laid off from one of the newly 'bankrupt' companies here in Dallas.  :-\ Felt bad about taking his baby away from him there at the consignment counter of the local toy stores but I promised him that I'd take good care of her. It was a Sharps business rifle from Shiloh with the receiver having the French silver treatment(a truly a thing of beauty  :o ) and couldn't bring myself to haggle a pardner down in those circumstances since that Big Wagon Wheel In The Sky does come full circle when you do such things so I paid over the $1K limit for it so it doesn't count.

Being such a work of art, I won't take it through the brush and tangles there in the woods on our place in north Louisiana so I've got to get yet another Sharps for such duty. Since the ranges are ridiculously close in the north Louisiana thickets, a carbine is much more desirable which lead me to this one:

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=12258 (http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?products_id=12258)
(http://www.dixiegunworks.com/images/PR3215.JPG)

Which has a recent price reduction of $895~>$650. Does anyone have any experience or knowledge of this Pedersoli Confederate Sharps Carbine or of Pedersoli percussion carbines?

Thanks for the time to answer my question.

Respectfully

Pick Kimbel
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on January 30, 2009, 03:16:36 PM
Pick, I wish I could help ya, pard.  Perhaps someone else will know sumthin'.

That sure is a handsome carbine you showed.


You should "qualfy" I paid $1,ooo.oo for mine , I believe that is the "cutoff"point.


Howdy, Cyrille!

As I am the originator of the "Cheapo Big-Bore Rifle Club," which seems to have morphed into being called the "Cheap Sharps Club" but, in fact can be ANY type of Big-Bore rifle, I never put a dollar amount as a limit.  Were I to have specified it would be $999.99.
 ;)

However, I won't quibble about a penny ... and $1,000 for a Shiloh ANYTHING is a BARGAIN!

If some pard buys any BB (Big-Bore, not a Daisy) rifle for any amount and wants to be part of this virtual club, then Welcome!  My whole reasoning is against those snobs out there who pooh-pooh all of us who can't afford a $3,000 Shiloh or C-Sharps or a 15 month wait.  I bet I have just as much FUN with mine as they do. 

 ;D


By the way ... I have now HEARD (but can't prove it) that there HAVE been shooters who have won some big matches using Armi Sport rifles (as sold by Taylors - like mine) and even as IAB or 2.  If that's true, then ...







Nyah-Nyah-Nyah!  How do ya like THEM apples!
 ;)  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: GABulldog on January 30, 2009, 03:52:36 PM
Howdy All,

I been shooting my IAB. She ain't driving tacks yet, but I reckon I could hit a deer or two legged varmint.  Ain't had any real range time, just plinlkin'.  Anyone know if the new hammer on IABs in interchangeable with the older rifles?  I gotta admit it is awfully clunky, and I think it may even slow down locktime.  Also wondering if I need a whole new falling block.  Any answers would be helpful.  Ace, thats a good lookin new rifle,  'cept for that hammer.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ransom Gaer on January 30, 2009, 07:00:52 PM
Pick Kimbel,

I have one of the 1859 Sharps Carbines.  One of the reasons I got it was because it doesn't have a patchbox.  Fun gun to shoot.  I am also learning about paper cartridges too.  Have not had a chance to really do some serious range work with it yet to find the best load for it. With a 75 grain load behind a 475 grain .54 bullet the recoil is suprisingly mild.  Have found the breechblock is quick to bind up from fouling.  Maybe this is me and I haven't found a solution yet.

Ransom Gaer
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: PickKimbel¶ on February 04, 2009, 11:33:31 AM
Pick Kimbel,

1. I have one of the 1859 Sharps Carbines.  <snip/>
2. With a 75 grain load behind a 475 grain .54 bullet the recoil is suprisingly mild.  <snip/>
3. Have found the breechblock is quick to bind up from fouling.  <snip/>

Ransom Gaer

1. Sounds like I need to get one too!  :D
2. Was that 2Fg and what brand? What kind of bullet were you using?
3. I'm not going to be fending off hordes of attackers with rapid fire so this isn't a deal breaker; I'll experiment and see what works for me.

Have you tried any of the black powder substitutes and, if so, how have they worked out? What kind of caps did you use with this?

Thanks for the time,

Pick
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 04, 2009, 12:59:14 PM
Hi Gang
I have posted this on another spot but will ask here as well . I have a chance to get a Chaparral Sharps for the magic price $$ . I know it isn't a Shiloh or a Pedr..  but are they a decent little rifle ?

Heck ..it LOOKS like a Sharps and 'in the dark and if ya squint your eyes... ::) ::)

Dutchy
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on February 04, 2009, 02:59:15 PM
Hey, Dutchy!

For the right price, ANY gun can be fun!

I'm not sure who makes the Chaparral Sharps - it may be an IAB, but no matter.  The rifles say that they are made by Chaparral Firearms of Italy.  Find the right load that the rifle likes and shoot for fun.

Take care ...
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 04, 2009, 03:12:26 PM
Ok ...SOOO I tell the wife  that you said
'Go for it'  ;D ;D

You are right ,shootin is shootin    I have fun in the basement with the old  Daisy..

Save me a spot in the CSC :D
Enjoy

Dutchy
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on February 04, 2009, 03:24:40 PM
Ok ...SOOO I tell the wife  that you said
'Go for it'  ;D ;D

You are right ,shootin is shootin    I have fun in the basement with the old  Daisy..

Save me a spot in the CSC :D
Enjoy

Dutchy


By all means:  Go for it!


And feel free to tell her I said so;  I'm easy to blame!
 ;D


I sure wish I had my old Grandpa's Daisy ... When he died, what few firearms were there went to my Uncle's house.  Including my Dad's 22 RF bolt rifle and his Quakenbush 22 RF youth rifle.  After my cousins got old enough to shoot, they took charge of them.  When I asked about them, no one had any idea what had happened to them.  They must have grown legs and walked away.
 ::)

I'm bettin' they got traded for some wacky-terbackey.

 :o :P :(
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 04, 2009, 03:34:48 PM
It's a shame how many of the old guns have disappeared . Every once in a while one will show up in a strange spot . I was at a yard sale-flea market a few years back and there was the base of a table lamp made out of the wrist and lock area from an original English Martini Henry. Bought it for .75 cents , couldn't bear to see it end up thrown away. :'(

Dutchy
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ransom Gaer on February 04, 2009, 05:55:04 PM
1. Sounds like I need to get one too!  :D
2. Was that 2Fg and what brand? What kind of bullet were you using?
3. I'm not going to be fending off hordes of attackers with rapid fire so this isn't a deal breaker; I'll experiment and see what works for me.

Have you tried any of the black powder substitutes and, if so, how have they worked out? What kind of caps did you use with this?

Thanks for the time,

Pick


I have not used any black powder substitutes in it.  As for the caps I use RWS 1081 Musket caps.

Ransom Gaer
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Knarley Bob on February 12, 2009, 05:14:33 PM
Howdy fellas,
I'm glad to fit in somewhere. Mr. Flintlock, good deal! I have an IAB sharps myself. It's not the one I bought, but a replacement. The first one was a salesman's demmo gun, It looked alot like yours, I think it was their rendition of the "Bussiness" rifle. Well I took it to the range to shoot it, Having NO idea of BP cartrages I bought a box of shells when I got the gun. After the first shot, I had to use a ramrod to get the brass out of the breech  :o  It was so rough that the brass would not come out. (luckily I am a muzzle loader and had a ramrod with). Sooooo, back to the gun shop we went. After he( The owner) couldn't extract the case he kept the rifle.
A few weeks later, I checked back and was given a "replacement". Opened up the box and woo-hoo ;D, there was one of their Deluxe modles. Octagon browned BBL, flip up sight, double set triggers real nice wood that was also checkered! Heck, the brass even comes out of this one!!
 I've done an action job on it, and lapped the barrel, the wife and I call it "Crazy Cora" and she shoots just fine. Can pound a gong @ 300 yards all day long.As soon as I find a range longer we will pound there too!! ;)
Yup, you'll enjoy yours, if'n not, I'll give her a good home.
Regards,
Knarley
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blackpowder Burn on February 13, 2009, 07:14:49 AM
Steel Horse,

Can I join the Cheap Big Bore club with my Browning 1885 High Wall?  I bought it new for $995, complete with sights.  I think that was my one "steal" of a lifetime.  She's a real tack driver, too.

Now if my wife performed as well, and looked as good................. ::)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 13, 2009, 07:58:09 AM
OOH , you are living on the edge... ;D

Dutchy
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on February 13, 2009, 08:35:26 AM
Steel Horse,

Can I join the Cheap Big Bore club with my Browning 1885 High Wall?  I bought it new for $995, complete with sights.  I think that was my one "steal" of a lifetime.  She's a real tack driver, too.

Now if my wife performed as well, and looked as good................. ::)


Howdy!

Looks like you got a DEAL!  A dang GOOD one!

OOH , you are living on the edge... ;D

Dutchy


Ain't THAT the truth!
 ;)

Knarley Bob, glad your deal worked out in your favor.  "Crazy Cora!"   ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blackpowder Burn on February 13, 2009, 09:19:03 AM
Yep, she's a sweetheart.  I got lucky and bought her just at the point Browning discontinued manufacture, and everyone was clearing them out.  I can GUAR-AN-TEE she's never leaving my hands!  Between her and my Marlin in 38-55 I'm giving up on all this newfangled crap.

If you can't blow smoke, what's the use?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 13, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
Steel Horse


OK , I did it . There is no way I was letting you guys have all the fun. My application to the CSC is enclosed..

I have a H&R Officers Model 45-70 trapdoor which cost me $800.00 AND I just purchased a Chaparrel Arms Sharps 45-70 for $1035.00

NOTE all prices are in Canadian funds so I'm under the magic number!

The next thing I aam going to do is completely destroy all evidence of this post ..cause my sweetie ahs no idea that I bought another gun.

But as before Steel Horse Bailey told me 'to go for it'

So sign me up.
Yer going to need a Secretary soon!!

TaDa

Dutchy...
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blackpowder Burn on February 13, 2009, 12:16:47 PM
Congrats, Dutchy!

Now you get all the fun of load development for 2 rifles.  It don't get much better.

Isn't it amazing what we can convince ourselves to do and hide from the wives?  The thing is, this is an addition that I have no desire to give up!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 13, 2009, 12:37:43 PM
I know , it is like a great game . My wife is terrified of mice so I tell her my gun room in the basement is full of mice. Have a few traps set and all . Ever once in a while I snap a  trap ....keeps her away.

I guess I know she really is not that stupid , I guess she puts up with me and at least she always knows where I am . And when I speak of 'my girls' she knows it is one of the guns!!

Living the Dream

Dutchy
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on February 14, 2009, 02:21:11 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Glad ta have ya, Dutchy!

I'd LOVE to have one of those Trapdoor Carbines from H&R.
TaDa!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ace Lungger on February 16, 2009, 07:56:20 PM
Way to go Duthcy!! :)
 Let me know how that Chapprell Sharps shoots! I was told it is a Pedersoli! I have the Sharps I am going to live with! To many others guns I would like to own! And I will never have the cash to go buy the High Dollar rifles that I want! So i have to settle for what I got.
Later ACE
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Charlie Bowdre on February 16, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
Ace my pard

I know the feeling , but hay the way I figure it I'm a $10.00 shooter ...what in heck would I do with a $2000.00 gun!! :o

Take care

Dutchy
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on February 17, 2009, 06:47:32 AM
Ace my pard

I know the feeling , but hay the way I figure it I'm a $10.00 shooter ...what in heck would I do with a $2000.00 gun!! :o

Take care

Dutchy


And that explains one of the underlying philosophies of the Cheapo Big-Bore Rifle Club!

 ;D

Glad ya got sumthin' yer happy with ... and didn't break the bank!

What's up, Ace - haven't heard much from ya lately.  I still have that mould for ya - did you ever find a US stamp?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on April 19, 2009, 06:33:09 PM
Been meaning to join here for a while now. I traded an old Navy Arms 1866 Sporting Rifle that I had $600 in with a hundred bucks for a Pedersoli Deluxe Long Range Sharps in 45-90 with the Pedersoli Soule sights. GREAT rifle, but heavy. Need cross-sticks or a rest as it is unwieldy offhand -- but, man do I love it.

I also just bought an IAB 1866 Sharps Carbine in 45-70 off of an auction site. Hope to get it this week. Paid $550 or so for it, so I know it qualifies as well. I'm hoping it feels more like my old Shiloh 1863 that I sold back in the 90's when I had to drop out of NSSA. Shilohs are now out of my price range.

So I hope to have the best of two worlds - the Pedersoli for Longe Range Side Matches and the IAB Carbine for Plainsman matches.

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on April 19, 2009, 07:20:40 PM


               Nice Rifles Preacher, I have a Pedersoli business rifle, in 45/70, haven't shot it yet, had shoulder surgery a while back, and now I'm having trouble finding primers for it, but as soon as things cool down, things will get better, you'll like the Pedersoli, and Ace Lunger has an IAB that he say does real well for him, and it's a beautiful rifle too.


                                                         tEN wOLVES  ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: drcook on April 24, 2009, 11:49:48 PM
Getting that Pedersoli was one super deal. You invested less into that rifle than you could
get an "in the white" action from C. Sharps and the Pedersoli action is every bit as good
as any of the other top-of-the line brands.

As you probably know , Pedersoli barrels are made from a special steel bought from Mauser Works
that was developed to resist movement as the barrel heats up. Plus (you probably already know)
there is a taper in that barrel. Pedersoli imparts a "choke" which really helps in the accuracy dept.
The one I have, has shot loads that were developed for other rifles quite well. The first time we
shot mine, my son had it on target and blasting a 200 yd plate with ease.

Break down and spend the money to buy the Hadley eye cup that goes with that sight. I
have one on a Ped. Long Range in 45-70, and it works quite well for dealing with varying
light conditions. Cabelas has them.

You will find that the 45-90 is good for very long range "side" matches. In fact, that rifle
will be quite competitive at 1000 yards.

You ought to try out one of the long range "gong" matches. The majority are run what you
brung and have no weight restrictions like NRA sanction BPCR matches do. The weight of
that rifle will make shooting long strings of shots enjoyable.

Did you get your brass yet ? If you bought Starline, you'll probably find it needs annealed to
deliver the best accuracy.

A 540 gr Paul Jones Creedmore, either from Paul Jones or Steve Brooks, will work quite well
in that rifle. There is also a mould design floating around that was developed expressly for
the Pedersoli chamber. I shoot a 540 gr PJC over a .060 LDPE wad (fiber would work just as well)
with a notebook paper in between the wad and the bullet. This is over 85 gr of Goex 2F.

you can get different bullets to try from www.buffaloarms.com or www.sageoutfitters.com

the Pedersoli rifle I have shoots just as well as the Shiloh in 45-70 that I have, so that one you got
should be just as accurate, and once you start banging targets with it in the 400-500 or more range,
the addiction will really set in.

dc



 

 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on July 08, 2009, 01:15:59 PM
Good job, Preacher C!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: sabre85rdj on July 13, 2009, 10:23:11 PM
I just joined this forum tonight and I've already found out there a whole club of cheap Sharps owners just like me.  I'd really like to be a part of this club if I measure up to your high standards.  Last spring my daughter suggested we go to the Quigley shoot that happens every June. I didn't have a rifle so I started looking around and reading the forums about what too look for.  I read the only way to go was Shilo or C Sharps....everything else was a waste of metal.  The problem was that a Shilo would pay for 3 cars or 5 motorcycles the way I buy them.  There was no way my wife would agree to that kind of money for a rifle.  I bid on several used Pedersoli's but could find one in my price range before going to the Quigley shoot.  I finally settled on a ARMI sporter .45-70 and slapped on a set of Lee Shaver sights. The rifle had good fit and finish when it arrived and once I figured out what load the rifle liked to shoot, the rifle shoots pretty good. I hit the 783 yd buffalo 7 of 8 attempts after I figured out how to use windage adjustment and I routinely hit the steel chickens at 200 yds off-hand.  It's a shooter with the right load...so what more does a guy need in a rifle. Who do I need to bribe to be a part of the CSC?  ;o)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on August 12, 2009, 11:07:34 AM
Welcome, Sabrerdj!

Happy to have you in the club.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on August 12, 2009, 11:39:38 AM
. I hit the 783 yd buffalo 7 of 8 attempts after I figured out how to use windage adjustment and I routinely hit the steel chickens at 200 yds off-hand. 
[/quote

 ??? Where did ya shoot the chickens? There aren't any chickens in the Quigley.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: sabre85rdj on August 24, 2009, 09:40:10 PM
Ranch13, I was knocking over chickens at a local BPCF range as I was working up new loads after getting back from the Quigley.  You are right there ain't no chickens at Quigley every one there is armed!   
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Capt. Jack McQuesten on April 11, 2010, 09:28:05 PM
I guess I can throw my hat into the Cheap Sharps Club too.....I have an IAB Sharps that I bought through Cape Outfitters many years ago. It has a 29" browned octagon barrel and double set triggers. A buddy of mine gave me a rear tang sight and a "Sharps" wagon box for it. As I recall, I paid either $550 or $575.00.....

I removed the rear sight off of the barrel as it was just a plain folding leaf style. I want to get a ladder style sight to replace it.

I am also in the process of picking up a web bandolier to round out my kit..... ;D

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/Firearms/DSCN0189_edited.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on April 11, 2010, 10:56:23 PM


            Very nice, you got a good deal.


                tEN wOLVES  :D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on April 12, 2010, 12:33:07 AM
Well, if anyone else has a Sharps that they would like to offer me entrance into the Cheap Sharps Club with, I would be very interested ... LOL
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on April 12, 2010, 12:37:34 AM
Just out of curiosity, I have seen Sharps offered in .30-.30.

The .30-.30 was introduced prior to 1900, and obtaining ammo would certainly be easier.

Has anyone fired one of these? Comparing them to the .45-70 of .50-90, this would be just mouse farts ... but it would definitely be easier to find ammo with ....

Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Johnny McCrae on April 12, 2010, 06:20:48 AM
Here is my Armi-Sport 1874 Sharps. I bought it from Taylor's in October of 2007 for $965.

I do my own reloading and ended up making a Cartridge Belt and Butt Cover for it. I also stripped off the original factory finish and re-finished the wood.

It's a lot of fun to shoot
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 12, 2010, 01:04:08 PM
Here is my Armi-Sport 1874 Sharps. I bought it from Taylor's in October of 2007 for $965.

I do my own reloading and ended up making a Cartridge Belt and Butt Cover for it. I also stripped off the original factory finish and re-finished the wood.

It's a lot of fun to shoot


Howdy, Big John!

I 'm pretty sure that's the exact rifle I have.  I too, stripped what little varnish was applied in Italy, and simply oiled the bare wood and love the rifle.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 12, 2010, 01:34:51 PM
Well, Johnny M., after looking at your pictures, I've noticed that our rifles are different.  I didn't realize Taylor's offered other versions.  I don't think they DID ... back in2003 or 4 when I bought mine - but I didn't buy mine from Taylor's, either.  I got mine locally, but since it had gone from Tay's to my store, then to me ...  Anyhoo, I did look immediately to their website because I had to buy a missing part which is why the dealer sold it to me at a discount, even 'tho it was a new rifle.

The part I hate is this:  when I bought the rifle, the dealer had 3 boxes of Rem. factory ammo.  Two boxes of 405 gr JSP, the other with a 350 gr JHP.  I took it to Camp Atterbury and shot it on their 100 m range.  It shot great.  My plan was to shoot BP rounds only, so with those 60 cases I loaded up with Meister 405 gr (hard cast) RNFP, which I understand was designed with the 45-70 lever-guns available primarily, hence the flat point, and powered by a full case of Goex 2F .  At the next time I could shoot, we had 200, 300, & 400 yards available.  We started @ 200 yds and I hit about 12 of 20.  Not great, but for a new rifle shooting a new load, I let it go.  @ 300 yds, I hit around 7 of 20, and @ 400 yds I hit TWO.  Not at all good, even with a new gun and the optimism that goes with it.  Disgusted, I tried some smokeyless loads I had loaded before I got the BP  and hit 18 of 20!
 :(  :P

My enthusiasm had dwindled a LOT with those results.  Since then I have tried combinations of bullet & weight, powder, cases, primers and lube & the lubing techniques.  None have gotten me hitting better that 40%.  I'm about out of patience.

Suuggestions, anyone?  As the original founder of the CBBRC (Cheap-o Big Bore Rifle Club)  I feel honour-bound to make it work, but I'm at wit's end ... save admitting that 100% of the problem is ME, of course.
 ;)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Yellowhouse Sam on April 12, 2010, 06:55:19 PM
Too many variables involved to nail down just one.  The first thing I'd do is get some softer bullets in the 1:20 or 1:16 range lubed with SPG or equivalent.  You didn't say which Goex but at least try Goex Cartridge.

Sheesh all I know to to then is review the stuff on the forums and start sorting out possibles.  Make sure you slug the barrel, get a decent bullet then:

.060 over powder wad
210 Federal primer
maybe .2 compression
No crimp but with .001 neck tension
Goex cartridge at least....dropped charges
Blow tube or wipe bewteen shots.

Not saying the above will get you there but its a start.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 12, 2010, 08:19:15 PM
 First go in to that barrel and do some serious lead mining.
Then do a chamber cast, you may find that you also have a 45 2.3 :o If that's the case you'll need to cut down starline or the Baco stretched brass to about 2.25 for grease groove bullets, if you cut down the Norma basic brass it'll work real well for paper patch, but will need some neck reaming to use grease groove bullets.
 Yellowhouse gave good answer. Go with a 20-1 bullet lubed with a good bp lube and sized a .459. 70 grs of goex 2f or cartridge. Or as much Schuetzen powder as your bullet will seat on with out any compression.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 13, 2010, 08:16:23 AM
Yellowhouse and Ranch, thank you VERY much for your suggestions. I have actually tried MOST of your suggestions.  Never used Scheutzen or NOT crimped, but everything else.

At one time or another I have tried:

Bullet hardness from pure to approx. 20-1, numerous hardness levels, ALL softer than my original Meisters

Goex 2F; 3F; Cartridge; Pyrodex; KIK

Sized @ .458", .459", & .460"

Different lubes including the yellow Bore Butter (but no SPG  ... yet)

No paper-patch or chamber cast - I'll give that a try soon as I can get some CerroSafe, but I have slugged the barrel and got .4585", so .459" or .460 OUGHT to be OK, right?

ALL charges are dropped, then compressed about .125" to .1925" (with a compression die, NOT with the projectile)

Never tried the neck-tension trick ... yet.  I DO size ONLY the "neck"  & "orient" the loaded round the same each time.

I blow tube different times:  #1 after every shot, #2 every 3rd shot, #3 blow every other shot then wipe @ 10, #4 wipe after EVERY shot, ...

I've never found Fed primers, but have used:  CCI LRP, CCI Mag LRMP, Win LRP ... haven't tried any LPPs yet, Mag or normal ... yet

I didn't want to list EVERYTHING I've tried, but your VERY helpful hints prompted me to try.

As I see it, my WORST issue is that I have NO place to do a proper trial,  I admit to having changed 2 or three details on the same bullet, so if something actually benefitted, I wouldn't know WHAT made a change for the better.  To do it right would take CONSIDERABLE time and I simply don't have the time, place, money or other:  I'm sorry to say that I'm looking for a "quick fix" ... but, as Yellowhammer stated (SO wisely), "Too many variables involved to nail down just one."

Thanks, Pards

and ... I haven't given up TOTALLY, just mostly, but I'm willing to slug anong before selling my 45-70 fencepost.   ;)

PS - I did forget to mention, I have only used Win cases, no others due to the ca$h required; also, I have changed the front sight from factory (a blade) to a Lyman tunnel, back to original.  Also, my rear sight is a Lee Shaver Soule mid-range version.  (Wish I'd have gotten the tallest one!)


And I STILL think it's the coolest rifle I own!!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 13, 2010, 08:27:19 AM
Bore butter isn't much of a bullet lube,works good for lots of other things but.....
It's amazing what a good lube will do for tight groups, and just because a lube works ok in one rifle doesn't mean the next one will get along with it at all.
 I might have missed the bullet weights, but something in the 500 gr give or take 20-30 grs is what's going to work the best in that 18 inch twist. Also seating to the lands can be counter productive with bpcr, so best to start out seatig the bullet to the driving band.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 13, 2010, 11:39:32 PM
Bore butter isn't much of a bullet lube,works good for lots of other things but.....
It's amazing what a good lube will do for tight groups, and just because a lube works ok in one rifle doesn't mean the next one will get along with it at all.
 I might have missed the bullet weights, but something in the 500 gr give or take 20-30 grs is what's going to work the best in that 18 inch twist. Also seating to the lands can be counter productive with bpcr, so best to start out seatig the bullet to the driving band.

Ranch - thanks!

I forgot to mention about bullet weight.  I started with the 405s.  Then I found some 500 gr Lymans; since then I've settled on the 535 grs Postell from Montana Precision Swaging.  Of all the things I've tried, changing to the 535 projectile has done more to improve my performance than all the others combined!  I've even tried my hand at casting using the same (or nearly) Lyman Mould #457535 as what Montana makes for theirs (yes, I assume theirs are swaged, but one of their swaged bullets fits perfectly into my mould.)  I haven't shot any of my home-cast due to troubles with casting - I have cast 5000 or so of the 250 gr PRS BigLube boolits with great success, but no luck on the big ones, so I just continue to buy the ones  that seem to work best.

Yes, I plan to try better lube:  MOSTLY I've used my 70-30 mix of olive oil & beeswax (I like authentic, olde tyme recipes, where possible)  but I'll get some others to try.  The Montana PS bullets AND the original Meisters I tried all come pre-lubed with SPG.

I've also tried seating the projectile to different lengths.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Capt. Jack McQuesten on April 17, 2010, 05:28:28 PM
Here are some pics of my IAB Sharps with the wagon box and the new web ammo belt:

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/Sharps/Sharps1.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y71/mic214/Sharps/Sharps12.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 18, 2010, 02:15:07 AM
Howdy!

Arabela Kid, that friend sure squared you away!  That's an awesome box!  I want one - where did it come from?  I have a pic of a real Sharps -used to hunt Buff, back in the day.  Yours says Sharps on the side, but they are somewhat similar.

Feel free to look at any other pics in my album ...

CLICK ON PIC TO ENLARGE
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/m1a1mstrgn/Historical%20Items%20and%20Images/th_BuffHunterOutfit.jpg) (http://s17.photobucket.com/albums/b70/m1a1mstrgn/Historical%20Items%20and%20Images/?action=view&current=BuffHunterOutfit.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Capt. Jack McQuesten on April 18, 2010, 01:08:46 PM
Howdy Steel Horse!

Yeah, my buddy really took care of me with my Sharps.... ;D!!!!!

I am not sure where he got the wooden Sharps case though.....I did find one similar (But not as fancy) from IAB:

http://www.iabarms.com/wood-box.htm (http://www.iabarms.com/wood-box.htm)

PS:

I checked out your pics and they are great....thanks for sharing.... ;D!!!!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 18, 2010, 01:13:21 PM
Thanks, Kid!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: buckskin billy on August 29, 2010, 08:46:08 AM
howdy yall,
  i reckon i should be considered for membership here.
 i got two iab sharps.
 the 45-70 i got in a trade the first of this year. money been tight and i aint got every thing i need to reload for it yet but i will be hunting with this year.

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/sharps2.jpg)

the second sharps is a .54 caliber paper cutter. i have had it for years. a guy had it at a gunshow  marked  it for 250 bucks. i was shocked at the price and asked. " you want  250 bucks for, that?!" the guy looked at me funny and said ok i'll take 200. i would have gladly given the 250 for it. any hows i have named it my fire breathing dragon as it blows fire out every where. it has caught a loading table on fire and started a couple of grass fires in the pass

(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/1-12-08004.jpg)

 has iab gone out of business i can not get there web site pulled up. i need a new set srew and set trigger for the 45-70 and vti prices are outragous
 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on August 29, 2010, 10:17:45 AM
B.Billy, that's a great price on the Fire Breathin' Dragon - $200!  Awesome!

Keep slugging along and good luck with your 45-70.

I don't know about I.A.B.:  They are an importer, not a manufacturer, if I've heard right, and their guns were made by the Eye-tralian firm of Pedretti, if I'm not mistaken, and I think they're definitely still in business.  I've only used VTI a few times, and they've been for Pietta or Uberti parts.  Their prices are waaaay better than some others for the same guns ... can't say about the other mfgrs.

Have fun ... whether shootin' fer bulls & fun, huntin' fer grub, ... er settin' tables or grass on fire at the range!
 ;)

And Welcome! to the Club!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Bob R. on September 09, 2010, 03:24:35 PM
I guess I don't really qualify. I just ordered my Pedersoli Sharps, at $1150 - which is cheap compared to some Sharps, and some Pedersoli's. A .45-70 business rifle.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 09, 2010, 11:41:16 PM
Bob R., while that Pedersoli price isn't what I had in mind when I started this "Cheapo Sharps" club, it certainly is a fine gun and as long as the dollar keeps dropping in value compared to the Euro, it won't be long until that IS a cheap price - just not a cheap gun!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Montana Slim on September 10, 2010, 04:22:02 PM
I paid $700 for my Pedersoli Sharps (Cabelas) new..but, that was almost 12 years ago.
The Pedersoli was looked-down by some of the shooters then, but is well-made & accurate...giving the others a sound run-for-the-money....Time will tell with the Pedretti & Sons.

Regards,
Slim
(whom is likely kin the Pedretti gunmaking family)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: The Pathfinder on September 10, 2010, 06:54:39 PM
In some ways I know I qualify, in others I don't know if'n I'm welcome. I have 4 big bore guns and all fall under the $1000 mark, tho' the lever was right at $1000. First is my 1874 Sharps 45-70 that ran me $800, a steal for a (whisper mode on) Shilo. Second is my 45-70 Conn Peabody that I stole for $550. Next is my 1873 Trapdoor Springfield I found for $300. Last is a 45-70 1886 Winchester made in 1886 that someone lopped an inch off the end of the barrel for $1000. Make no mistake, I'm Scootish ancestry (read skinflint) but deals are still out there. I started with an 1859 Sharps I got from Dixie for $500 that was marked Uberti, but it was stolen. So do I qualify for the cheap Sharps club?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Professor Marvel on September 10, 2010, 11:26:55 PM
Greetings Happy Virtual Campers

The website of the apparently defunct I.A.B. Arms

www.iabarms.com

shows that I.A.B. Arms was not an importer, but rather another of the many Italian gunmakers in the Valtrompia Valley in Italy, located at
Via Matteotti, 311
25063 GARDONE V.T. (Bs) Italy

The principles were Adriano, Mauro and Fabio Pedretti, thus the assumption that IAB's "were made by Pedretti". There is still a lot of confusion, the EMF Pedretti Sharp's I have seen differ visually from the IAB Sharps I have handled, and are different from the IAB Sharps 1863 papercutter .54 that I own. 

We find on Tradenames and Brands of Guns and Gunsmakers that they are listed as two separate entities
http://www.earmi.it/armi/database/brand_f.htm

F. Pedretti                     IT     Brescia, Italy
I. A. B. (Industria Armi Bresciane)     IT     Marcheno, Italy

We see from the wayback machine that the IAB website went belly-up sometime after May 2008.

Since my skills in the Italian language are non-existant, I am sorry to relate thatmy net-fu is useless in trying to find any information on this Italian corp.

The best I can offer is

1) the IAB website is gone since about June 2008

2) it appears that in April 2009 a "Adriano Pedretti" chaired a company called Naturaenergia to build a biomass (wood!) power plant and district heating network in Gardone.

3) AN F. Pedretti is the current sole proprietor of Armi Pedretti
Armi PEDRETTI
VIA PASCOLI GIOVANNI 152
GARDONE VAL TROMPIA (BS) 25063

http://web.archive.org/web/20080606235037/www.iabarms.com

your confused servant
prof marvel
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 11, 2010, 06:31:43 AM
Interesting. 

Thanks for the info, Per-fessor!

Pathfinder, You got some great deals and bargains.  Congrats!  And welcome to the Club. 

Mon-tanny Slim, I remember back when Pedersolis WERE considered "Cheapos," and they were much maligned by the "serious experts" of BPCR shooting.  This is a perfect example of WHY this thread/club came about:  the "experts" wouldn't consider one of these guns, but we few bought them and found that even 'tho they said these guns were "cheapos" they COULD shoot well, were made well, and were great fun, and didn't have to cost thou$and$ of dollar$ to perform well.  It's a lot more important  to practice- practice- practice, have good techniques, and be a top shooter than to buy the hardware co$ting big buck$. 

It's the SHOOTER, not the gun who wins.  (YMMV - and yes, I DO unner-stand that a great gun in the hands of a great shooter will probably win over a great shooter with a crappy gun!  Too many crappy shooters think that a great gun is the answer.  Nope.)
 ;)


Y'all keep yer powder dry!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Bob R. on September 11, 2010, 08:46:39 AM
Well, I tried for the cheap sharps club, when I ended up doing was getting the best new manufacture gun I could afford for the best price I could find through the local shop I have the best relationship with. I had tried local gunshows, but to no avail.

It was still $700 - $800 cheaper than a comparable Shilo or C.Sharps.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 11, 2010, 07:25:45 PM
Happy hunting, Bob R!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Hangtown Frye on September 18, 2010, 04:01:09 PM
One of my best shooting rifles is an old IAB caplock Sharps that I got back in (I think it was) 1978 or '79, for all of $158 through Shotgun News.  It's marked ".54 Caliber" but it's not, it's actually in the old Sharps .52", so when you shoot it with .54's it squeezes them down, and is accurate as (and kicks like) all get-out.  It also has a 90-grain chamber, as opposed to the usual 60-grain chamber as found in the Shiloh caplock Sharps, so that just adds to the fun.  It too is a "Fire-breathing Dragon", as it spits flame out of every orifice, but what the heck, it just teaches you to wear leather sleeves and push the brim of your hat up, like the old timers in the Frederick Remington paintings.  Must have been SOME reason for doing that, eh?   ;)

Anyway, it was cheaper than dirt (I could afford it while being a newly-married, starving college student), and has served me well for over 30 years now.  Funny how sometimes the cheap stuff sticks with you, while the more expensive toys can get traded or sold off for one reason or another. But I love that old rifle, as it just plain shoots.

Cheers!

Gordon
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on September 18, 2010, 06:52:13 PM
Hmmph,

Shows how much I know ....

I always thought  that 'cheap Sharps' was an oxymoron, like 'military intelligence' or some such ....
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 19, 2010, 12:11:32 PM
Hmmph,

Shows how much I know ....

I always thought  that 'cheap Sharps' was an oxymoron, like 'military intelligence' or some such ....


 ;)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Otter on September 20, 2010, 09:02:47 PM
Hmmph,

Shows how much I know ....

I always thought  that 'cheap Sharps' was an oxymoron, like 'military intelligence' or some such ....
Just in case you ain't been keepin' track, there ain't no such thing as a "cheap" Sharps anymore . . .
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 20, 2010, 09:40:59 PM
Otter,  money-wise, you're probably right.  However, when this was founded (by me) the whole purpose was to show that just because a Sharps replica didn't cost as much as a C.Sharps or a Shiloh, those of us more budget minded could still have fun with the "cheaper" versions that were on the market at the time; the ones that the "experts" sneered at and proclaimed (sometimes pretty loudly) weren't worth the powder it would take to blow them up.  Time has proven me right.  NO ... my Taylor's Armi Sport version (at least in MY hands) won't win any Quigley matches, but I've had every penny's worth of fun that is possible with it!  And that is priceless!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Otter on September 20, 2010, 11:06:50 PM
Steeley,

Hope you didn't think I was in any manner deriding any Sharps. Even at six or seven hundred dollars, they aren't "cheap" any more, moneywise. When I first started shooting BPCR rifles, a Shiloh could be had in the $700 range, Pedersolis were few and far between and were in the $400-$500 range. One of my good friends shot a Pedersoli and could ring the 600 yard steel probably 99% of the time. By the time I got my Sharps (yes, it is a Shiloh), they were substantially more than $700. I had tried for over a year to find a Pedersoli to no avail. While I waited for my Shiloh, I built a Roller from an old rebuilt action. They are all fun to shoot. If I can find a "cheap" Sharps at the right price, and me in the right mood, I will have another in the herd.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 21, 2010, 07:29:03 AM
Otter, no problem.  I wasn't even in the ballpark when you were getting Shilohs for $700.   WoW!

When I got my A.S. for $700, it was $300-$450 less than the Pedersolis, and a thousand (and then some) under a C.Sharps or Shiloh - but I've gotten Thou$and$ of Dollar$ in fun from it.

Fun is around even at bargain prices!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Drayton Calhoun on October 01, 2010, 12:28:23 AM
If Kevin Costner can drop a Buff with a Henry...aw, never mind, I couldn't come up with anything funnier than that scene in the movie... That does remind me though. There a book called "Long Ride Home" by Michael Gear has a part in it about an old feller decides to be a buff hunter so buys a Henry and a couple of boxes of rounds thinking how he'll use one round per buff and is calculating how much money he's going to make from his hunt...he gets educated real fast about how tough buff are.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on October 01, 2010, 09:05:03 AM
If Kevin Costner can drop a Buff with a Henry...aw, never mind, **************** (message continued) thinking how he'll use one round per buff and is calculating how much money he's going to make from his hunt...he gets educated real fast about how tough buff are.



I'll bet!  With a Henry!   ;D

Just as a matter of interest, I read in a shooting magazine sometime years back - the article was dealing with using the proper round for whatever is being hunted, the author stated that at one time or another, every animal on earth has been killed by a 22LR, but that doesn't mean that someone shouldn't deliberately  set out to kill/hunt with an underpowered round.


Now, don't take ME to task, fellers ... I'm  just reporting what has been said, I don't recommend it!  We've all known about guys who have killed deer, for instance, with a 22.  Personally, I've eaten venison taken with a 22 by an old Army buddy ... it CAN be done, but it isn't good practice!
 ;)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on October 01, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
Amd Davy Crockett supposedly hunted Grizzly with a Bowie Knife .... (if the Bowie actually was 'invented' at that time) ...

But as Steel Horse has remarked, it isn't particullarly good practice unless one has a death wish ...*G*
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on October 01, 2010, 09:32:50 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on October 01, 2010, 09:53:29 AM
 Well you need to get things in prospective. During the time frame of the Henry it was considered a fine rifle for most anything out to 200 yds or further.
 :'(Today you'll have devil of a time finding folks that could even have enough riflecraft in them to be able to fire a Henry at something 200 yds out.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on October 01, 2010, 12:12:26 PM
You're sure right there, Ranch 13.

Even the Military doesn't teach true marksmanship.  Most of them (and in many Police forces, too) it seems they believe more in the "spray 'n pray" school of riflecraft.

'Tis a pity, but 'tis true.  When I taught small arms marksmanship, I had the support of my Commanding Officer and I tried to teach my guys real skills with the rifles and pistols we were issued, as well as the tank weapons, both large and small.  It paid off, I guess.  I've heard from numerous ex soldiers of mine who said they learned a lot from my teaching, but nearly nothing from the Army itself.  I always thought that was pretty important considering the business I/we were in!  And if a Henry ... or a 22 were all I had, I'd sure try to make the best of it that I possibly could.  A 44 Henry certainly can kill a buff ...( if the shooter is brave enough,  ;) ) and can put his shots right where they need to be, rather than just shooting AT  the buff!

 ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on October 01, 2010, 12:20:14 PM
 WEll said Sarge. ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Delmonico on October 02, 2010, 03:32:31 PM
For many years the 22 Hornet is said to be one of the most popular rounds used in Alaska.  Was used to kill all the game found up there and a box of 50 takes up about as much space as a box of 20 30-06 and cost about the same.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on October 02, 2010, 03:40:57 PM
Del I knew a ranchwoman that spent her best years herdin kids and raisin sheep and herefords, and she thought anybody using a bigger rifle than her 2520 on anything was just showing off and wasting meat. (and she never had an elk tag that wasn't filled)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Delmonico on October 02, 2010, 05:45:57 PM
Del I knew a ranchwoman that spent her best years herdin kids and raisin sheep and herefords, and she thought anybody using a bigger rifle than her 2520 on anything was just showing off and wasting meat. (and she never had an elk tag that wasn't filled)

Unless things have changed since I last checked, the world record whitetail was killed with a 25-20.   
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on October 02, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
Yup I believe that's the last I heard as well.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cherokee Reb on November 05, 2010, 12:55:47 AM
Bought an IAB percussion Sharps a last month for $525 shipped and the seller included a box of bullets, nitrated paper, flask, capper and bullet mold.

Yesterday I sent off payment for a Palmetto Armoury 45-70 Gemmer-Sharps with vernier tang sight for $1100 shipped. Can I join the club??

Reb
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on November 05, 2010, 04:17:38 AM
Bought an IAB percussion Sharps a last month for $525 shipped and the seller included a box of bullets, nitrated paper, flask, capper and bullet mold.

Yesterday I sent off payment for a Palmetto Armoury 45-70 Gemmer-Sharps with vernier tang sight for $1100 shipped. Can I join the club??

Reb


You sure can, Cherokee Reb!  Welcome!

You got a real good bargain ... now, go out and have some fun with it!  CHEAP FUN!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Don Nix on November 05, 2010, 08:15:23 AM
I posted this in a separate thread but it iOkay ,here I go showing my ignorance,
 This afternoon I was fooling with the new Sharps when I decided to drop the carrier and check everything in preparation of slugging the bore.
 The carrier dropped down fine but as I pulled it free something fell of onto the floor.I looked down and there was a small metal disc.
 There was a recess on the rear of the carrier that I assume it fits into. From what i can gather it is called the rear bolt assembly disc.
Can some one tell what part it plays and is it supposed to be so loose that it just falls out. Looks to me like it would be real easy to lose in the field.t would be better answered here I think.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: john boy on November 05, 2010, 06:57:28 PM
Don, look at this diagram ... http://www.vtigunparts.com/store/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=61&cat=Pedersoli+Sharps+1874+Sporting+Rife
Is the part rectangular, not disc?  If so, it is the firing pin block (part 104) and goes back in the rectangular slot on the back of the breech block
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Marshal Deadwood on November 05, 2010, 09:36:51 PM
FOr what it's worth.......my Dad killed more than a few nice bucks,,,the biggest one he killed with a 25-20.........first shot the deer was standing,,the other two the buck was running. All three shots could be covered with the bottom end of a coffee cup. All three shots went in the heart areas.

 My nephew still has that scrape of hide ,,all dried to heck,,but you can see the tight group.

MD
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Don Nix on November 05, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
No this is a round disc  about the dianeter of a dime.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Don Nix on November 07, 2010, 10:51:47 AM
I was looking at a Numrich parts schematic and they list the piece as  a Bolt assembly disconnect,rear.
 The VTI parts show it the same way except abbreviated.
 Now I now what it is ,how does it work and should it be so loose that it falls out when yu drop the carrier.
 I also got my brass in yesterday. It only took three days from order to delivery, Graf & sons.  It is Jamison brass correctly  stamped 45-110.
 As soon as my bullets arrive I'll be in business.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 26, 2011, 09:39:49 AM
Back in the CHeap Sharps Club with a Pedersoli Sporting Rifle in 45-70 that I picked up at the Tyler, TX Gunshow this past Saturday. 32" barrel with top of the line Pedersoli Tang and Spirit-level globe front sights -- and the Hadley eyecup. Never fired with BP (that is soon to change) and appears to have been well-cared for and fired very little. $800 was the price tag and had several folks wanting to buy it as I walked the floor looking to sell a Garand I had. Pleased. I'd post pictures, but I'm at work now.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on January 26, 2011, 03:59:47 PM
Preacher;  You must have a lot of horsehoes on the wall, all open end up to hold the luck.  Or is it open end down to pour the luck into your hand?  ANYHOO, that sounds like an excellent buy.  Good shootin'.

Here in good ol' Victoria BC, Canada even.  My gunshop has a Chiappa sharps, new, under a thou', so maybe there will be more CSC members soon.  Anyone have any experience with the Chiappa? (Not for myself, I'll stick with my Pedersoli.)

P.S;  SO!  The Chiappa is an Armi Sport.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on January 27, 2011, 12:33:58 AM
Good bargain, Preacher Clint!  Welcome!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 27, 2011, 08:34:04 AM
 ??? I'm not particularly sure 800$ for a used gun of unknown pedigree is exactly cheap tho :o :D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 27, 2011, 08:53:41 AM
??? I'm not particularly sure 800$ for a used gun of unknown pedigree is exactly cheap tho :o :D

How do you figure that? It is a Pedersoli. Retail now on that model without the sights is well over $1150 at bargain shops, and Cherry's lists them closer to $1400. The bore is super and shows little wear. The sights are in the $500 range, so $800 is a good deal IMHO. Most Sharps repros I see in the $800 range are IAB's these days, and I've owned a few of those as well. Not bad rifles either. I don't shoot 1000 yd. BPCR anyway, so the Pedersoli suits me just fine. Tell you what though -- if you come across a Shiloh for $800 used of unknown pedigree, pm me where to send the gold dust! I'll risk it!LOL!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 27, 2011, 09:04:48 AM
Just saying that 800$ for a USED gun is not exactly my idea of cheap.

 What do you suppose the smokeless loads fired in that rifle were. 38 grs of 3031 or 38 grs of bullseye?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 27, 2011, 09:40:47 AM
Just saying that 800$ for a USED gun is not exactly my idea of cheap.

 What do you suppose the smokeless loads fired in that rifle were. 38 grs of 3031 or 38 grs of bullseye?

You can say the same thing for any used gun. Period! You're giving a whole new meaning to "cheap". BTW, the guy I bought it from was the original owner and professed to having only shot a few boxes of factory 45-70 loads through it. Is he telling the truth? Who knows? I'll take my chances on a slightly used Pedersoli at $800 over spending $2K for a new rifle anyday. IMHO, 99% of the folks here would agree. I've been buying, selling and shooting used guns for over 40 years. Never had a problem. Routinely buy, sell and shoot C&R weapons all the time. I've shot standing next to folks firing authentic Civil War muskets and carbines in N-SSA Competition. And I have a friend who routinely shoots an original Colt 1860 in NCOWS, though he does substitute a replica cylinder.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 27, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
 ???Taking this a weebit personal are you? ???
No one here questioned your credentials.
 
Altho me being the some what owly type I am, do have to wonder why some one would sell a 1500$+ setup for half price, and the just a few rounds of smokeless thing always makes me think about the cheesy twit in the checkered polyester sport coat and " only driven by a little ol lady to church on sundays"
 And it gets pretty ugly when we start to talking about horse, cow and hay brokers.. >:(
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on January 27, 2011, 10:22:13 AM
Let's keep it fun... please.

No, $800 isn't cheap, but in these days of over-inflated prices a Peter-smellie (no bad names intended, Preacher, only fun) at that price ain't bad.  Around here, a new P-soli won't go home for much less than $1500.  OK, that's new, but I think you see what I'm saying. 

The good Preacher Clint is happy with his gun ... and price, so I'm happy for him.  You too, Rancher 13!  Once again, when I started this "club"  (which is ONLY a fun posting, by the way, not an organized club) I wanted to point out to the snobs that you didn't have to pay 2 to 5 grand for a Shiloh or any of the other REALLY expensive ... and wonderful ... rifles to have fun and shoot well!  I just got tired of the "name snobs" looking down at those of us who can barely afford what we have, because I'll bet we have JUST as much fun with our Cheap-O guns as those who can afford better.

Thanks, guys.  This started as a kind of joke and it's fun (to me, and mayhaps others) that it's still going after several years.  I  made mention of it well before the first post (here) which was in July of 2008.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 27, 2011, 11:08:03 AM
Steelhorse, remember I have one of those "cheap" sharps as well,  and if you'll also recall most of the stuff that I told you was wrong with that "cheap sharps" prooved out in your gun. ;)
 Yup couldn't agree more with your last post.
 ???Until you got to the "sharps snobs" part, I think if you were to hang around folks at events where Shiloh and C Sharps are the primary representive guns you'ld find most of us are working stiffs, just like you, we just made a choice to make the sacrifice and cut the necessary corners to major upgrade in our rifles.
Plus if a person truly is cash strapped, just buying the gun is only half the cost later comes sights, and moulds and on andon the expenses go to feed the things.
 Will close here by saying if a person doesn't get extravigant with the ordering process its easier to buy a Shiloh brand new from the factory than any other sharps rifle.
 250$ down, then you've got anywhere from 12-24 months to save up the rest of the 1900$ Cut out the pop, chips,candybars,cigarettes ,bottled water and other such stuff and you'ld be surprised how easy 100$ a month can go into the rifle account. :D

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 28, 2011, 10:53:06 AM
???Taking this a weebit personal are you? ???
No one here questioned your credentials.
 
Altho me being the some what owly type I am, do have to wonder why some one would sell a 1500$+ setup for half price, and the just a few rounds of smokeless thing always makes me think about the cheesy twit in the checkered polyester sport coat and " only driven by a little ol lady to church on sundays"
 And it gets pretty ugly when we start to talking about horse, cow and hay brokers.. >:(

I don't wonder too much. Around here all the gunshows have gone "black". Most everyone that sets up now has only black rifles and modern stuff. Little to no CAS gear available. So most Cowboy shooters avoid the shows and taking a specialty rifle like a Sharps to the Tyler, TX gunshow to sell, when you need cash is often hazardous to your pocketbook. A lot of folks that buy this type of rifle saw it on Quigley and had to have one. As times get tough, and kids need college money (stated in this case), toys like this rifle are sold. This fellow had walked by several dealers and been offered what I paid him as he was exiting the door. Had I not struck up a conversation with him, it would have gone home with him. As it was, we parted and a few minutes later he tracked me down and accepted my initial offer.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 28, 2011, 10:58:37 AM
And for the record, raining on someone's joy over their new toy often results in them taking it "a wee-bit personal".  ;) Also for the record, I've owned Shiloh Sharps previously as well. Last one I bought was an 1863 Cavalry Carbine in 52 cal, ordered and built by Wolfgang over 20 years ago -------- for --------- wait for it ------------------ $800!!!! Times have changed. I've owned several Pedersolis and IABs since. They come and they go as tastes change. Difference is that 20 years ago, I was not hung up on going into deep credit card debt. Today I avoid all forms of debt if I can. Hence my tastes have gotten more "common".  :-[
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 28, 2011, 11:09:32 AM
Is the preacher part real or just a moniker?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 28, 2011, 11:11:25 AM
Is the preacher part real or just a moniker?

Actually, it is real.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on January 28, 2011, 11:16:23 AM
I see.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cimarron on January 30, 2011, 03:05:03 PM
I wonder if I am a "name snob", I also wonder if I fit in here at the Cheap Sharps Club.  I bought my Shiloh on May 4th 1983 and looking at my invoice I noticed that I paid $511.20 for it.  I still have it, it's a No.3 sporting rifle with extra heavy barrel chambered for the .50 2 1/2".  I notice that the standard barrel rifle was $479.20.  Way back then, in 1983, I had been wanting one of these for a while (I always liked the "Missouri Boat Ride" rifle that Clint Eastwood used in "The Outlaw Josey Wales").  There wern't any around to look at, let alone buy.  I decided to get my FFL and look into ordering one.  I got the manufacturers info pack and price list and proceded to set up at a few gun shows with all of this Shiloh literature on display thinking surely someone else was interested in these guns.  Finally two other interepid individuals approched me to get an order together.  This meant I would qualify for the 3 gun discount!  That was going on 28 years ago.  It's funny how time changes things and the Quigley movie didn't hurt either.  I've still got mine and shoot it too.  I wonder what ever became of those other two guns?  :)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on January 30, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
Well, Howdy!

I won't go into the name snob thing, but if there were a Sharps Bargain Club, you'd be a charter member.


Have fun with a wonderful gun!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ten Wolves Fiveshooter on January 30, 2011, 09:28:39 PM


    Preacher Clint , congratulations pard, that's a heck of a deal for what you paid for it, I love my Pedersoli, they make great rifles.


                                              Enjoy your new/used rifle

                                                   tEN wOLVES  :D ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 31, 2011, 07:27:54 AM

    Preacher Clint , congratulations pard, that's a heck of a deal for what you paid for it, I love my Pedersoli, they make great rifles.


                                              Enjoy your new/used rifle

                                                   tEN wOLVES  :D ;D

Thanks. I will.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Texas John Ringo on January 31, 2011, 02:10:07 PM
Thanks. I will.

Remember what you wrote me the other day? Same book, different chapter.

By  the way, I have a Pedersoli Quigley with the Soule sight and bubble front. And I don't give a crap what the sharps snobs think. I've had the gun since Oct. 2005 and won't be trading it for one of the others. If I want one of the snob guns, I will buy one, right now I don't.
It shoots great and looks good----to me anyway.
I've seen the others (a lot) from Montana, they're nice but I' m not that impressed
Have a good one Preacher

Flame away the rest of you.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on January 31, 2011, 03:06:52 PM
Remember what you wrote me the other day? Same book, different chapter.

By  the way, I have a Pedersoli Quigley with the Soule sight and bubble front. And I don't give a crap what the sharps snobs think. I've had the gun since Oct. 2005 and won't be trading it for one of the others. If I want one of the snob guns, I will buy one, right now I don't.
It shoots great and looks good----to me anyway.
I've seen the others (a lot) from Montana, they're nice but I' m not that impressed
Have a good one Preacher

Flame away the rest of you.


Amen, Brother. Amen. LOL!!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on January 31, 2011, 07:01:06 PM
Kinda reminds me of way back when I owned a 914 ... I used to get a lot of comments about 'almost a Porsche' ... to which I always ansered "Hey, the bucks/smile ratio is awsome!'

There was nothing more that the other owners had to say after that .... *VBS*
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cherokee Reb on February 07, 2011, 05:23:16 PM
Finally got my camera issues ironed out, so here are a few pics of my "cheap Sharps". I got this Garrett Arms 45-70 Gemmer Sharps for $1100.00 . At the time it was equipped with a tang sight and front globe which just looked off for that rifle. I changed them out and sold the old sights for $200.00 which left me with a net payment of $900.00.

Shoots great with BP under 405 grain lead bullets and I am a happy camper.

http://cid-0ed02c957fb623d7.photos.live.com/browse.aspx/Gemmer

Later,
Cherokee Reb
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Patrick Henry Brown on February 09, 2011, 08:19:48 AM
Congratulations, Cherokee Reb, those Garrett's are NICE!!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on February 09, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Well, congratulations pard!  That is a beautiful gun and you got it at a great price!  Wow!  Thanks for posting the pictures.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Marshal Deadwood on February 11, 2011, 03:31:22 AM
I have never thought of a Pedersoli as a 'cheap' Sharps.  I have Shiloh's, but I also have a Pedersoli 'business rifle' that is my 'go too hunting single shot.'  The workman ship is about equal. Shiloh does offer more options, but there is NOTHING short about a Pedersoli.

I just do not know a lot about the others, but I'm sure they are all fine Sharps.

MD
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Cherokee Reb on February 11, 2011, 09:02:22 PM
Wildman,
 Congrats on the find. I wanted to find a beater Trapdoor to Gemmer-ize when I found my Garrett. I saw several trapdoor forearms on eBay recently. have fun.

CR
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: M14MSgt on February 12, 2011, 12:29:20 PM
What's the concensus on a 45-70 with Old Reliable on the barrel and IAB MARCHENO - MADE IN ITALY?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Jayhawker on March 07, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
New guy here...retired last year after 40 years of service...6 with the Army and 34 with DoD and decided to move back to my Kansas roots...I was prowling around the gun shop and this one kinda called to me...cheap? Yep, but now that I'm retired I can"t be spending like a drunken sailor anymore.  It goes "BOOM" and puts bullets where I point them////

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/Jayhawker27/003-4.jpg)

As an aside, I work part time on a refuge...this is one of my charges

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/Jayhawker27/Buffalopics011.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blackpowder Burn on March 07, 2011, 09:33:42 PM
Goes "BOOM".....makes smoke.......puts bullets where you want them.  A man can't ask for any more than that.   ;D

Welcome to CasCity.  Lots of interesting and opinions and discussions here.  And the information is worth every penny you pay for it!  ::)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 07, 2011, 11:26:10 PM
Sorry,

I think buffs are lovely too ... but all I could think of is that buff would keep me in meat for six months .... sigh ... been watching too many Westerns ....
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Jayhawker on March 07, 2011, 11:51:18 PM
Partner, at about 2400 pounds that old boy should feed you for a year, but unfortunately he'd be too tough to eat  ;D  But he's sure a stud, ain't he? We have a wild herd of about 300 and he's one of our breed bulls.  Cows and young bulls make better eating...but he'd look pretty darn good hangin on the wall...as with all of our bulls, when he is old, past his prime and all tuckered out, he will die out on the open range...
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 08, 2011, 12:06:26 AM
Hi,
That Buff really got me goin' ... there was a place that sold Beefalo ... half buff, half beef .. was so dry and Lo Cholesterol that you had to add oil if you wanted to fry it ....
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 08, 2011, 10:27:37 AM
Heck,

A little wine in the ot softens anything ... besides, it can't be worse than armadillo or snake ....
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Reverend P. Babcock Chase on March 08, 2011, 10:37:12 PM
Howdy Sharpies,

I just picked up one of those little 4 barrel Sharps derringers. It was pretty cheap. Do I qualify as a member of the Cheap Sharps Club?

(I do have a Farmingdale, NY .45/70 Sharps, but it was not cheap.)

Cordially,

Reverend Chase
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on March 08, 2011, 11:57:27 PM
Reverend Chase, Howdy!

If it pleases you to feel like you belong here, then welcome!  Make yerself feel at home.

When I started this, it was about cheap, (not high-grade, no thoughts on the price) copies of the Sharps Buffalo rifles and that one didn't have to spend several thousands of dollar$, let alone wait for a looooong time for your gun, to have fun and to shoot well.  Since then it has morphed itself to the "Bargain Sharps" pages.  Not what I had in mind at all ... but that doesn't matter.  It's all about havin' fun with your toys, and not gettin' hung up (like some do) on a name.

Like I said, if it pleases you to "join," then welcome to ya ... and know that many of us stand proud with you and your new Sharps!  And since it is a REAL Sharps, and pretty cheap, then ... YEEHAW!
 ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Curley Cole on March 10, 2011, 02:13:48 AM
Wadds

Buff meat is great....what with my heart and all I would love to have a freezer full...<g>

When Me and Old Top went to the Victorian match at SheBang at 5Dogs he spent the weekend shooting his original trapdoor rifle. 45/70 flew down range, he held a little shoot after and used up some old ammo I got for him and a line of about 8 people were standing there waiting to shoot it.

For my scout character I would like to find me a "cheap" trapdoor carbine in 45/70 to shoot along with him.
here is a pix of him with gun. (actually it is a pix of Miz Kate Barlow setting off a round..she loved it...kept saying more???)

(http://sdough.smugmug.com/Art/SheBang-2010/shebang68/1083307369_HNwev-M.jpg)
curley
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on March 10, 2011, 10:40:36 AM
Curley,

I, too would like to have the chance to fire a 45/70, but there are not too many clubs up her that fire it ... I am guessing thet the ranges, being make for pistol ammo, would not do well with the big load  ...

So    I will just have to shoot my old Pedersoli Cap n Ball muzzleloader and 'pretend' I am shooting that 45/70 ...
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Will Ketchum on March 10, 2011, 06:05:42 PM
I have an extra trap door rifle that I am taking to the NCOWS convention.  I am planning on asking $650.

Will Ketchum
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Curley Cole on March 10, 2011, 06:48:30 PM
WWe

Roll on down to Bakersfield when they have one of their Victorian matches. That 45/70 becomes yer rifle in the match. Top shot about 100 rounds in 2 days...

Will

If it don't sell keep me in mind and give me some stats on what ya have. Once I get my taxes done I may have some freed money

curley
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Jayhawker on March 23, 2011, 10:48:46 AM
I was working out at the Bison Refuge this morning and Mother Nature provided  a photo-op and since I had my cheap Sharps in the truck I couldn't pass it up...

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/Jayhawker27/BuffaloGun003.jpg)

(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a44/Jayhawker27/BuffaloGun004.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on March 23, 2011, 12:13:33 PM
I was working out at the Bison Refuge this morning and Mother Nature provided  a photo-op and since I had my cheap Sharps in the truck I couldn't pass it up...

Great pics, Jayhawker!  Thanks for sharing!

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Capt. Jack McQuesten on March 27, 2011, 03:10:14 PM
I was working out at the Bison Refuge this morning and Mother Nature provided  a photo-op and since I had my cheap Sharps in the truck I couldn't pass it up...

Beautiful pictures!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Jayhawker on March 27, 2011, 10:57:39 PM
Thanks for the compliment...  ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Jeremiah Justice on April 02, 2011, 09:23:25 PM
Hey Pards,

     I thought my gun was cheap. . . til I started gettin' all the stuff to go with it! Could use some cheap-o ammo!. . . except for huntin' . . . with the cheap gun, I can afford the good stuff if I load it myself. Maybe one day I'll own a C. Sharps. Til then, I'm countin my blessings and thankful for being here!

Happy Shootin!

J. Justice
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on April 03, 2011, 10:21:04 PM
Good on ya, Mr. Justice.  Fun is what it's all about!  I understand about feeding those big boomers.  They don't eat cheap!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on May 19, 2011, 10:56:05 AM
Got this one for about 300$ less than the retail so I suppose it qualifies for the "cheap" ;D
Shiloh #3 sporter with 30 inch heavy barrel 45-70
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Ranch137/3Sharps2.jpg)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Yellowhouse Sam on May 19, 2011, 01:29:11 PM
Got this one for about 300$ less than the retail so I suppose it qualifies for the "cheap" ;D
Shiloh #3 sporter with 30 inch heavy barrel 45-70
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/Ranch137/3Sharps2.jpg)

You did well on that one Don.   I wonder if my Shiloh qualifies for the cheap Sharps?  Hartford collar, pewter tip, and extra fancy wood in 40-70 SBN.  In 1991, after a three year wait, I paid the princely sum of $1150.  Times have changed.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on May 19, 2011, 04:35:52 PM
 ;D Thanks Sam.
 :-\No don't think your old hartford would qualify because you paid full price, and we know our new ones coming won't. ;) :D
I called up there and order a globe front and spare leverspring and firing pin this morning and forgot to pester her about when our 77's will be coming up. I take it you haven't got a letter yet,  :)leastwize I hadn't heard any hoopin and hollerin with the wind out of the southeast ... :P
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on May 19, 2011, 10:50:38 PM
Guys, Shilohs AIN'T cheap, no matter the price.  That's the point.  If you paid more than a grand, it aint cheap.

IABs are cheap.  Taylors (Armi Sport) are cheap.  Any "snag brand" is cheap.  But they can be accurate and fun.  THAT'S the point!

Ranch, congrats on getting a great bargain on a great rifle ... but not cheap.


 ;D


(Inflation is going to raise hell with this post - a grand is getting close to being a bargain these days!)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on May 19, 2011, 10:58:51 PM
 ;D I don't think you can touch any of the Italians new for under 1k now. :o I looked long and hard for one on the used market to have rebarreled to a 44-77, but by the time I got the used clunker and had the barrel put on it, I was right back into the basic Shiloh C Sharps territory ??? ::)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Swifty Morgan on May 24, 2011, 04:20:40 PM
Picked up one a them EMF imports in 45-70, traded  a rossi 92 for it. I hope to try it out Friday at our annual match!
I can almost hear the Big Thunder now!  ;D
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on May 24, 2011, 06:27:10 PM
Sounds like an alright deal. Let us know how it shoots for you.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Texas John Ringo on May 24, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
Here are some Cheap Sharps & none are shiloh or c. sharps
From SASS classifieds:
http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169967
http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169023
http://sassnet.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=169205
From Gunbroker:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=230643478
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=230755736
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=230647910
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=230792422
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231033069
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231762152
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231414628
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231565244
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231721354
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231768777
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=230693592
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Don Nix on May 25, 2011, 12:37:01 AM
I know that others may not approve of my "cheap" Sharps but my EMF imported rifle in 45-110 is a blast to shoot.
I have not shot it a whole lot but I nailed the target(a sheet of typing paper) twice at 110 yards with my first two shots.
 I used the barrel mounted sights. I then began to miss consistently  when I began to use the tang sights. i could not figure out what was wrong until my son in law noticed that everytime I took a good cheek weld,my hat brim was pusing the tang sight forward and down.
 I may have bought it cheap but I wouldnt take what I paid for it by any means.
 My only issue was losing the lever spring when I field stripped it to clean the breech.A post to this forum and a call to VTI and I'm back in bizness.
 I  also own a couple of Pietta NMAs that have Kirst  converters, a couple Cimmaron Thunderers just to name a few. All are  Italian replicas that serve me well.  I could never afford to own as many psitols if I refused to buy the imports. Nor could I have afforded the Colts ,73 winchester and remingtons that are originals  and I treasure.One day I'll get a real "Sharps',i'll keep tradin until i find me an original 1874. It wont be no replica. But I'll probably not shoot it.
Ill keep on shooting my "Cheap" Sharps so I can afford the old ones to pass on to my grandkids.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on May 25, 2011, 12:43:15 AM
Here is whats on guntrader.co.uk;

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/100820173149008

This is about the best price going.  Sun&Air is looking at another one at Bisley range for about the same.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on May 25, 2011, 08:41:33 AM
I know that others may not approve of my "cheap" Sharps .

 ??? I guess I'm confused about where this kind of crap comes from? In all the years I've been involved in bpcr shooting I have yet to witness anybody "look down their nose" at someone with an Italian made sharps rifle. I don't even see that sort of attitude on the internet except on rare occasion.
 Probably 90 % of the bpcr shooters all started with a "cheap" sharps, and some of us still have that "cheap" sharps and still do use and enjoy the thing from time to time.
 So lighten up folks, if you go to a bpcr match with the intention of competiting and having a good time , unless you stumble into some sort of tight clique that really doesn't want others there in the first place, you will be met with nothing but open arms and if you ask for advice/assistance  you'll probably recieve it in spades.
 AND you might find out those folks that scrimped and saved, and sold stuff to come up with the money for a Montana USA built rifle are working stiffs, just like you.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on May 25, 2011, 08:57:23 AM
Texas John, thanks for the links.  There are some good used (barely, some seem) ones there, for sure.

As I mentioned, time and inflation have made a "cheap" Sharps (or Roller, or ...) a bargain under a grand.

Mr. Don Nix - Hurrah for you and your "cheapo."  Italians make decent guns worthy of passing on to the grandkids.  It ISN'T about whether WE   approve of your "cheap" EMF import;  it's important that YOU are happy with your gun ... be it an IAB, ArmiSport from Taylors, Sile, Shiloh or a Big Timber C-Sharps or wherever!

Anytime you can coax a piece of steel, however elegantly made, into hitting the target you're aiming at it's good and probably fun!



Now ... if only we could all find big caliber ammo at a nickel a pop like we used to ... (or those old $29.95 surplus Lugers ...  or ...)  Oh, well!

 ;)

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on July 01, 2011, 07:43:40 PM
Sun&Air, who shoots with Paladin and Ned Pepper at Picketts Hill, England, has just put a deposit down on this:

http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/110624165421000

Picture is gone;

He has passed up on a couple earlier listings in the L750 range without range-ready sights.  Then this one popped up, a consignment by an elderly gentleman who thinks it has become too heavy!  Its not new, but it looks in good shape.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: AlaskaJack on August 03, 2011, 02:07:19 PM
Well, it wasn't cheap by any means but I don't care.  I watched a Quigley like Uberti (made by Pedersoli) for almost 3 years as the price slowly dropped and dropped to the point I finally snagged it.  The quality (excluding the crappy tang sight) is A#1 Top Notch.  I stumbled on a C. Sharps long range tang site at a local gun snow and snarfed it up.  Man, that thing is accurate using a circle insert on the front sight.  34" heavy barrel 45-70.  Shooting it on the dark side with 60 grs of Goex Cartridge behind a 510 gr Lyman cast.   It is simply a hoot to shoot.  Here is a pic of the wonderful red felt lined slip case I had made using smoke tanned leather.  
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Tascosa Joe on August 03, 2011, 03:02:54 PM
Awesome case.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Marshal Deadwood on August 03, 2011, 10:47:29 PM
The Montanna Sharps are good, no doubt about that, but I love my first Sharps,,a Pedersoli plane jane business rifle......and would hate to part with'er. She shoots every bit as good as Montanna.........and I love her just as much.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 23, 2011, 01:34:09 PM
May have bought entry into the club.

Got a Taylor and Company 32 Inch ladder sights 45/70 off the SASS wire reportedly shot about a dozen time for $590.  Seriously thought when I sent in the I'll take it I would hear that the price was a mistake and the 1st two digits were transposed.

Should arrive tomorrow or thursday.

Should be an Armi Sport.  Will not know model until it is in my hands.
Anyone out there got one that will shoot well?

If so how did you do it?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on August 23, 2011, 01:47:18 PM
My 1874 sharps as interpetted by Armi Sport and marketed by Taylors, leaving the numerous and on going lock problems aside....
 To get it to shoot cast bullets I had to have .460 diameter, and seated way long, and still expect to do a goodly amount of lead mining after the shooting session was over.
 Easiest to do was trim down 45 2 7/8 brass to 2.25 inches and shoot paper patch bullets.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on August 23, 2011, 01:51:07 PM
Should also add that trimming Starline 45-90 brass to 2.2 inches leaves the brass thin enough at the mouth you can use .458/459 diameter cast bullets without an undue amount of lead mining.
 First thing to do when that rifle gets in there is probably going to be a chamber cast to see what sort of mood the boys were in the day they chambered that barrel, and what you'll have to work with or around.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 23, 2011, 05:13:46 PM
What about just seating the bullets out a ways.  I have a good .100 with Black Dog 350 grainers and .125 with Deparado 405s between the first lube groove and the crimp groove.

Not arguing - seeking enlightenment.

Back in my High Power Days we used to run the bullets out touch the rifling or .005 or so off depending on the theory of the day.  My 40xb remington has long lead never could make it to rifling with 190 grainers with a reasonable OAL.  Rifle shot just as good with 155 grainers so not sure the theory of .005 or less held with that rifle.  Different as night and day from bp.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on August 23, 2011, 05:30:59 PM
You'll just have to try it. Some of the later Armi guns aren't to bad, the earlier ones are a crap shoot.
 But I'ld still recommend a chamber cast, even without the extra length of the chamber it's got alot of room in the diameter part and cases fired in the rifle have to be completely resized before they'll begin to chamber in a US built gun.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on August 23, 2011, 07:32:23 PM
Captain Blodgett,

You might want to look for the thread I had in BROW named 'What the ^&*&^*&^*&^*&^*&^ Does 'Slugging the Bore Mean?'

I got a lot of kind and elementary advise given to me on precisely how to measure the diameter of a barrel.

I hope this helps you ....
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 26, 2011, 06:08:48 PM
The Taylor and Company Sharps has arrived in Phoenix, UPS will deliver it to the FFL monday.

Have to wait over the weekend to pick it up.  Bummer.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on August 26, 2011, 06:46:53 PM
Cpt. Blodgett,

Having a UPS Tracking number seems to help a bit ... That way, when I was really 'Jonesin' for my rifle I could run over to my computer and see where it was in they system ....

Best Wishes!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 26, 2011, 08:50:28 PM
Actually forgot I had it.  Got the email and the number with a message the Gun Shop would ship the gun in the morning.
Could not check before pickup.  Was out and about today so stopped by my FFL.  Not here yet, went home and found the number.

The package is only 12 LBs so I now know rifle has std wt barrel.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club - Rifle arrived today
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 29, 2011, 07:00:28 PM
Sharps arrived.  Bore very shiny couple of cart marks on stock no noticeable dings to metal or rust.  Fit and finish actually look good.  Trigger seems ok, reticent to dry fire so do not have a real test.  Front trigger adjustment screw can be turned with finger nail.  Guess I should adjust how I want it back out 1 to 2 turns blue loctite and screw back in proper amount of turns.

Factory ladder sight is a joke.  In the down position .345 high ladder flipped up .600  should be about 25 – 35 min  difference without doing the math.  Verniers on 30 inch sight radius about .010 per min.  The joke part is there is no lock at the different ranges, and not a lot of friction.  I can see the blade sliding down with every shot.  .

Proof Date Code BS indicating 2002 year of proof.  Really BS what better marking for one of my rifles.
Bore slugs .457 -.458 Was harder to move the ball down the barrel than with the navy arms pedersoli Remington roller.

Distance from nose of Deparado bullet 415 grain .458 bullet touching rifling to breach face measured with dowel and eyeball callipered to leading edge of marks 2.712  
The rolling block measured the same way is 2.794   Looks like I will end up with two different seating depths. One real close to the trailing edge of crimp groove and one near leading edge of 1st lube groove.

Casing fired in remmie will not quite chamber, cannot get fully seated, about ½ rim thickness out.  

Guessing a couple of grains powder difference.

Bad news is will not be able to shoot before 24 Sep at earliest and most likely 2nd week end in October is more realistic.

Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: WaddWatsonEllis on August 29, 2011, 09:32:29 PM
I  am glad that the rifle is finally in your hand... even with th little challenges you find, it sounds like your challenges will turn out to be run of the mill problems

Interesting that you should mention sights I have to wait until almost the new year to shoot mine ... it will take that much time to save up and buy the rear sight ...

But that gives me time to slug ou the barrel and see what width barrel I will need, and the order some shells and bullets ...
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 29, 2011, 10:44:23 PM
The buffalo battery
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on August 30, 2011, 07:11:47 AM
The buffalo battery



VERY nice, Cap'n. Dan!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: patrickandmolly on September 19, 2011, 01:30:11 AM
I am new to this forum and was just given a sharps that I was hoping somebody might know somerthing about. Based on the research I have done I am guessing it is an old IAB kit that somebody never finished. The wood is shaped but rough and the metal is gray like it has been sitting around for several years, it looks like it was never color case hardened. There are no markings or proof marks on the rifle except for the number 206 stamped in the receiver, lock, and extractor. It also has one of those little safety levers on the firing pin which I have only heard of being on the IAB sharps.
My cousin bought it for $100 and then gave it to me so I guess that is a cheap sharps no matter what it is. If anyone has any info for me I would like to know what I have before I try to finish it. Thanks for any help.   Patrick
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on September 19, 2011, 04:45:17 AM
Interesting, Patrick.  I have no knowledge, but perhaps someone else knows something.  We'll try to keep this post "alive" long enough to attract someone's attention.

Cheap ... definitely.

Interesting ... certainly.

Actually - Patrick, if I were you, I'd make a new post asking about this old, possible "kit" gun.  It'll attract more readers than stuck here at the bottom of this post which is several years old.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on September 19, 2011, 08:47:35 AM
 A few years back IAB did offer a "kit" sharps.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Professor Marvel on September 19, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
A few years back IAB did offer a "kit" sharps.

IAB is now long gone... :-(

Indeed, back in the day IAB sold a number of cheap sharps models both completed and in kit form in 45-70, as well as the percussion models in .45, .50, and .54 . They were sold via a number of distributers, Dixie sold a few models  (including the .54 business rifle kit) as well as EMF, Tri-Star and a few others.

On this website, which is defunct (if you wish to save the info I suggest you download it asap) you will find nearly all the particulars:

http://www.brenzovich.com/sharps_rifles.htm

yhs
prof marvel

we see a ve4ritable copy of the page that used to be posted on IAB's website.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: patrickandmolly on September 19, 2011, 09:34:43 PM
Thanks for the help guys. I will try posting it somewhere else like you said. I would guess it is an Italian copy but I don't know why it doesn't have any markings on it. We all know how they love those little import stamps. I'm just looking for a confirmation that it is not valuable before I do some work to it. Thanks again Patrick
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on September 19, 2011, 11:58:00 PM
Well, I'fn ya need more info than ya kin fin' here, OK.  But it sounds like 1 hek'uva cheap Sharps ta me!

Welcome to blackpowder cartridge fun. 8)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: IE300 on November 04, 2011, 12:16:52 PM
I guess my IAB Sharps qualifies me for membership. Picked it up for $550. from a fellow member of the NorthEast Arms Collector's a few weeks ago. He had it at our little show and said he wanted $725. for it. Had to pass on it at the time, but I kept thinking about it and had sold a few guns and had enough money for the rifle.
A couple of weeks later at our meeting I was trying to find him 'cause I was still interested in that Sharps, but I couldn't remember the guy's name. Talking to one of the guys who organized the show, we were looking at the seating chart to try to figure out who it had been with the Sharps. As we were talking the guy appeared because he had heard I was looking for him. Turns out that he wanted $725. for the Sharps with the Pedersoli Tang sight that he had installed on it, but he would take $550. for it without the tang sight. We met the next day and I got my cheap IAB / Armi S. Marco Sharps. I knew it was Armi S. Marco from the barrel markings, but didn't know it was IAB until I took off the forarm and saw the IAB stamp underside of the barrel just in front of the receiver.
I was happy to give up the tang sight for the discount, because I had planned to install a Leatherwood Malcolm 30" scope on it anyway. So I got the rifle, and the scope and precission mount and some other accessories being delivered today. Don't anybody bother telling me how bad the mounts are. I've already discussed that subject at length on another part of this forum, and am prepaired to do whatever I need to do to make the scope setup right, even if it means ending up returning the upgraded mount and accessories and getting a set of MVA mounts. But since this is the Cheapo Sharps Club, I'm going to try to make the leatherwood stuff work. Or I might end up trying to fabricate a set of Unertl style mounts. I found a sight where a guy did just that using a micrometer as a basis, and although he certainly had to spend some time and effort on them, he ended up with a pretty nice setup for cheapo expense. I have a few tools and a little skill and a lot of patience, so we'll see.
I stand accused of being rather long winded in my posts, and I must once again plead guilty. I'll let you know how things go with my cheapo Sharps and scope setup. Only thing I've done so far is to strip off the ugly finish on the stock and gave it a hand rubbed oil finish. Already looks about 300% better, but can it shoot? Don't know, but maybe I'll find out this weekend.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Steel Horse Bailey on November 04, 2011, 04:58:26 PM
Indeed!~
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: FoFySemdy on January 01, 2012, 07:29:59 PM
I gots me a cheap Sharps, IAB 45-70. Purchased from EMF out of SGNews ad about 1997. Came with tang site that fit Ok and globe front site that did not.
Still have the box, w/ S/N etc.  Did someone say there is a thread re serial numbers and production date info? My search skills may not be the best.

Anyway, rifle shoots Ok.  Minute of grapefruit at 100 yds with most trapdoor loads. Suspect that the chamber is long as some have mentioned. Have some cerosafe but haven't got around to casting the chamber.

Nice looker, pretty good shooter, no major issues. Too bad that IAB went under a while back. I was dinging them about the storage box and other small parts without ever a single response for quite some time. Then their site died.

Spotted this thread a while back and been lurking. Appreciate all the info on here, still haven't absorbed all of it. Forgive me if I repeat any inquiries.

Best Regards,
FFS
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on January 01, 2012, 08:49:26 PM
There should be a square box with 2 letters in it usually close to a couple of more proof house marks and a PN
AZ 1990
BA 1991
BB 1992
BC 1993
BD 1994
BF 1995
BH 1996
BI 1997
BL 1998
BM 1999
BN 2000
BP 2001
BS 2002
BT 2003
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: FoFySemdy on January 01, 2012, 09:32:11 PM
Sure enough. Under the handguard on the left side - BH in a box, and PSF and something else.
1996. Wonder if that was a good year?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on January 01, 2012, 09:49:23 PM
Not sure one of my guns has a BS, which sorta seems appropriate.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on April 13, 2015, 09:41:03 AM
Hi

Seems like I'm pulling a Frankenstein and reviving the dead again.

i went to the Tulsa Gun Show yesterday, started walking the rows, and there was a new looking Sharps with $950 attached to it.  I picked it up to look at it and it said Uberti in one place and Stoeger in another.  The guy at the table pounced on my like a monkey on a cupcake and said I'll take $800, so I counted out the money and took off.  Uberti Sharps see to be labeled as $1800 on the websites now, but that would be full retail, but I think I did o.k.  The bore looks new and un shot, NIB but no box.  The dealer said estate sale.  He said it was .45/70, but I can't find that written anywhere on the rifle...

Lucky I didn't want a Colt Python for $2500.00.   :o

Later Y'all
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Grenadier on April 14, 2015, 08:21:28 AM
I recently traded for an 1859 business rifle made by Uberti. Took it out and shot a couple times and noticed it leaked like a sieve. Took it apart to clean it and found that the gas plate was cracked around the circular flange. Called up Taylor's to order a replacement, unfortunately, it has to come from The Magical Land of Macaroni. Might be several weeks before I am able to get it back out to shoot.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on April 14, 2015, 09:26:28 AM
1961MJS;  Sounds like a prize. Even if it needs a bit of care, it  sounds like a find.  

Grenadier; I believe that the Uberti Sharps was made by Pedersoli. I know the wait can be excruciating, but I'm sure the Plan will Come Together.

Good Shooting, both of you.  8)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Grenadier on April 14, 2015, 09:36:34 AM
Sir Charles,

You jarred my memory, it is a Pedersoli. I did not have enough coffee at the point I wrote that earlier this morning. It was suggested to me that I use head gasket sealer between the gas plate and the block to prevent leakage of residue. Has anyone else attempted this?
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: cheatin charlie on April 14, 2015, 02:56:24 PM
I have a Pedersoli 1859 carbine .54 cal.  I sent it to Charlie Hahn to do his breech block and O-ring job before I shot it because the gas plate
was scored by the previous owner.  Most of them will leak and be stiff to operate after 5 or 6 shots I have been told.  Shot mine as a
plainsman rifle shot 25 shots with no problem.  If interested here is his web page.  http://hahnmachineworks.com/
He  belongs and shoots with these guys  http://www.n-ssa.org/vbforum/forum.php  Good luck with your rifle mine is a blast to shoot.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blair on April 14, 2015, 06:35:39 PM
Charlie Hahn is an excellent choice.
My best,
 Blair
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Grenadier on April 15, 2015, 08:57:35 AM
Charlie is the one who made the suggestion to me.  ;)
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on April 16, 2015, 10:44:16 AM
Hi

My new Uberti Sharps has a blade front and a ladder rear sight.  I'd like to get a Soule Rear sight and a globe front sight with apertures.  I know how to install the front sight on the dovetail, but I don't remember what to measure to be sure I get the right one.  I have NO experience with the tang sights.  I'm used to shooting the aperture both front and back from 4H and an Avanti 888 air gun.  What do I measure to get the right base for a tang sight?

Help, what do I measure to be sure I get the right front sight?

What do I measure to be sure I get a base that will work for the Tang sight?

Thanks
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 16, 2015, 11:11:48 AM
You just need a standard sharps base. Where you will hit problems is the screw size, the Italians can't get that standardized.
Don't scrimp on the rear sight, a floppy sloppy tang sight is worse than no sight at all.
 MVA, Baldwin, Hoke, Kelly etc are all good sights. Buffalo Arms ,and MVA can help you pick out the proper screw size need.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on April 27, 2015, 03:08:06 PM
Hi

I understand that the MVA's are great.  I have an Uberti, so I'm a little leary of spending more on the sights than the gun, but I have a Winchester model 70 with the same problem.  Are the Baldwin's as good as the MVA's?  Baldwin is about 22 miles away from work, so I may just stop by and avoid the questions.

Later
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 27, 2015, 03:25:14 PM
Baldwins are excellent sights, but are still going to cost what your rifle did.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on April 27, 2015, 03:53:06 PM
Hi again

From what I've seen, I'd like the Shaver front sights because they are longer and keep the sun off the Spirit level. Shaver's front sights also use Lyman sight inserts, which may be helpful (if not I don't know why).

Both Shaver and Baldwin's sights come in 3 sizes, 0.375 (3/8), 0.437 (7/16), and 0.450.  Where is the 0.450 etc measured?

Mike
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 27, 2015, 04:16:06 PM
I like the Baldwin front better than the Shaver. The bubble on the Baldwin is inside the globe , and not quite as distracting as the Shaver.

 Those are the dovetail sizes, I'm not certain but I believe that Uberti will take the .375 dovetail.
 C Sharps uses the .435 and Shiloh the .450.
 
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on April 27, 2015, 04:19:05 PM
Hi

O.K., .375 is the measurement across the top of the dovetail from Front to back parallel with the barrel.  I haven' called Steve yet, but Buffalo Arms says "Discontinued" on a lot of their Baldwin stuff.  Hope he's still in business.

Buffalo arms' pictures of his stuff are better than the ones on his sight and I would agree that the Baldwin's are what I'm after for front sights. too.

Later
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 27, 2015, 04:24:37 PM
He's still in business.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on April 28, 2015, 05:00:02 PM
Hi

I was getting worried, but I"m taking the Rifle over to his place on Thursday to be sure we got the right parts.

Later
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on April 28, 2015, 05:04:22 PM
Steve is one heck of a good fella, and a huge supporter of the BPCR/BPTR sports.
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on May 01, 2015, 01:18:23 PM
Hi

I now own an Uberti with Baldwin sights front and back.  I like Steve's shop, and Jones Oklahoma reminds me of my old home town in Illinois except that Jones is close to Arcadia, which has a nice big gun range (OKCGC). ;D

Later
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on May 02, 2015, 08:14:26 AM
Hi

Well, now my Uberti is worth a lot more.  Steve Baldwin put a nice set of sights on it for me. 

Later
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Bruce W Sims on June 11, 2015, 10:34:16 AM
You Folks have me thinking, now.

Sure, like anyone else if Bill Gates dies and remembers me in his will, I'd love
to have a SHILOH SHARPS as well. But now, here's the thing. So lets say
I was able to find a Pedrosoli SHARPS and got it for, say, $900. Then there is all
of the servicing to take care of the sights and the gas leaks and who know what else.

Am I understanding that when all is said and done there is just no way to have a
fine-shooting SHARPS for under $2000 without looking for one propped against a
tree out in Nevada somewhere?  Thoughts?

Best Wishes,

Bruce
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on June 11, 2015, 11:38:59 AM
Quote
Am I understanding that when all is said and done there is just no way to have a
fine-shooting SHARPS for under $2000 without looking for one propped against a
tree out in Nevada somewhere?  Thoughts?

 That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Now that's not to say a person won't stumble into the deal of the century, at some point. I have a neighbor that got into a Ballard and a Shiloh for a bit less than the Ballard ( an original rebarreled by Ballard when operating out of Cody Wy).
 A Shiloh is very easy to afford, if you don't get in a hurry. Simply decide what you want, call them place the order and put your 250$ deposit down. That will give you about a year to save up, or send them money as you get it to be put on your account. Then when you get the payup or die letter that your rifle is going into production , you simply pay the balance off and begin the longest 4 month waiting period you've ever suffered thru..
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: 1961MJS on June 11, 2015, 01:25:36 PM
Hi

Note that whatever the rifle itself costs, the sights are still an additional $650.00. 

Later
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blair on June 11, 2015, 05:48:39 PM
This depends on several factors.
Carbine or Rifle?
Percussion (aka, paper cutter) or cartridge variation. Is the cartridge variation set up with mid range or long range cartridge chambering?
No need to but long range sights on a mid range center fire cartridge 40-60 Sharps Business Rifle.
Of course, .45-70 is somewhat the cut off point between mid range and long range shooting depending on the bullet weight and rate of twist of your firearm?
My best,
 Blair
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on June 11, 2015, 06:04:53 PM
There's only about 20$ difference between the midrange and the long range soule sights..
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Blair on June 11, 2015, 06:13:31 PM
Not if you stay within the basic barrel sights configuration offered by the manufacture.
My best,
 Blair
Title: Re: Cheap Sharps Club
Post by: Ranch 13 on June 11, 2015, 06:20:01 PM
 Yup, those work just fine. I prefer to shoot those for the gong matches, cuz it's just about having fun anyway. Also much prefer the barrel sights for hunting.
 But when it comes time to see about punching holes in an xring, or knocking rams off the stand, a good soule a bubble level front globe are the way to go.