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« on: October 01, 2018, 12:40:00 pm »


Does anybody have one of the old Ideal loading tools in 44wcf with the bullet mold on it that they would sell? I am looking for one that is in nice shape because I want to do living history type demos with it.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2018, 06:00:16 pm »

Don't have one-they show up on E-bay regularly, although for 44-40 specifically you may have to search some.
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2018, 06:26:24 pm »

Ok, I found a tool!! Now, can somebody tell me a good cowboy load that uses smokeless powder instead of black powder?? Please recommend powder , powder load, and bullet ...... Thanks!!!
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2018, 11:41:35 pm »

Well, it's not "cowboy" per say, but my personal smokeless favorite is Alliant '2400' powder, 15.3grains or so, under a Bear Creek 200gr RNFP.
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2018, 02:53:41 am »

200gr RNFP backed by 8 grains of Unique.


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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2018, 08:41:17 am »

Saw this and thought of your original pst, you got something in this flavor?  https://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-IDEAL-RELOADING-TOOL-44-40-W-ORG-BOX-NICE-PART-OF-COLLECTION-6-OF-9/312254510482?hash=item48b3d1b592:g:BGYAAOSwa9BbtMB2
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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2018, 08:06:14 am »

205 gr. lead RNFP  sizied .427 dia. SPG Lubed with 5.8 gr. Trail Boss.

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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2018, 10:11:21 pm »

Thanks guys!!
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2018, 11:38:53 am »

What unique are you talking about? Red dot, green dot???
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2018, 01:38:10 pm »


Aummmmm.  MikeM.,,,

Just what is your experience level reloading??  Unique is ..... Unique.  Red Dot and Green Dot are completely different powder formulations and do NOT NECESSARILY LOAD THE SAME.

Do you have a GOOD reloading MANUEL???  Sounds like you really need one.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2018, 01:46:30 pm »

Yes I know very little about it. I was just told that there was different types of Unique powder and I needed to find out which one to use. Didn’t mean to offend anyone by asking lol
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2018, 01:48:50 pm »

Is there a manual for the weaker “cowboy” loads??
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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2018, 03:16:17 pm »

Just came from the gun shop and I see what you are saying, Unique is definitely its own animal........ learned something
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2018, 05:42:48 pm »

My Good Mike -

DO NOT rely on anyone's "youtube" howto's.

if you follow youtube advice and hurt or kill yourself (or others) the youtubers
not only don't care, but will deny any responsiblity.

From your questions and comments, it is clear that BEFORE
you buy anything else, and BEFORE you try to load any rounds you should
buy a good reloading manual. I can highly recommend the Lyman and the Lee
manuals. Lyman and Lee include loads for cast lead bullets where many other manuals do not

https://www.amazon.com/Lyman-50th-Edition-Reloading-Manual/dp/B01N76GD2F
https://www.amazon.com/C-Kerman-Outdoor-Precision-Reloading/dp/B000N8OKAU

and please also look into the CAS City links below which are pinned in "The Powder Room"
foryour convenience.
    
Beginner's Guide to Reloading for CAS
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,55347.0.html

Reloading Resources - Link Guide
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,5589.0.html

I realize it is a lot of reading, but please read all the above topics and read
the guide parts of the manuals thoroughly. Loading cartridges is no place for
shortcuts or "easy". The manuals will help you learn about different powders, burn rates,
pressures, etc.

you do not want to have this:





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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2018, 06:31:48 pm »

Oh I will, I just wanted to see what other guys have had good results with.
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2018, 10:39:16 pm »

Oh I will, I just wanted to see what other guys have had good results with.


Here you go, Mike -
click on the link and you will get a google search of the CAS City discussions for "44-40 loads"

Magic Link of 44-40 load discussion

click away and enjoy

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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2018, 09:11:39 am »

I always tell any one interested in reloading is first get a good manual and read it as if your life depended on it because it does.
Information promulgated by Ol' Joe Bagadougnuts, unless he owns a complete ballistics lab with pressure guns and chronographs, is toilet paper and should be viewed as such.
I know what works for ME using smokes-somewhat-less powder and it is data taken from reputable loading manuals. I have been reloading for over 50 years but I still LOOK IT UP when trying a new bullet or powder combination.
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« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2018, 09:32:40 am »


That's why I asked.  THE very first step in reloading or loading is the BOOK.  Get the BOOK.  READ the BOOK.  Never accept as gospel the load information provided by "others."  Good chance they know less than you do.  Or, are actually stupid as they don't and haven't asked questions.

When you start playing these games, making your own ammunition, etc., Kindly remember your playing with EXPLOSIVES.  Things can get nasty really really quick.  In these games, there is no such thing as a stupid question so don't be afraid to ask.  Around here, we all try our best to help as much as we can.
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2018, 01:09:44 pm »

Ok thanks guys
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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2018, 03:56:59 pm »


MikeM,

Remembering ... I Believe ... your comment about doing "living History" demonstrations, you should be aware, those "old" hand loading tools were intended for loading Black Powder.  Black Powder is very forgiving of errors.  For all practical purposes, you can't get enough 2 or 3f BP in a cartridge to blow up a SA revolver.  Smokeless on the other hand .... is very UNFORGIVING.  IF you screw up with Smokeless, I refer you to the photographs provided by the good Professor Marvel.

We often see You Boob "heroes" whom try to make a U-Boob featurette and it's obvious our "Hero" is clueless.  Before you get in front of and audience, I would suggest an amount of practice with your tools.  Say, around 500 or so rounds.  If you can't do it in your sleep in a dark room with someone screaming in your ear, your not really ready for "Prime Time."

Give some serious thought to planning for your plan.  The best plan only survives to the first shot.  Having a half loaded round ignite in front of a discerning audience will NOT enhance your image.
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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2018, 04:45:26 pm »

Ah yes, the "living history" part...


Before you get in front of and audience, I would suggest an amount of practice with your tools.  Say, around 500 or so rounds.  If you can't do it in your sleep in a dark room with someone screaming in your ear, your not really ready for "Prime Time."

Give some serious thought to planning for your plan.  The best plan only survives to the first shot.  Having a half loaded round ignite in front of a discerning audience will NOT enhance your image.

Coffin makes an excellent point.

Loading cartridges is not an activity in which anyone can afford to be distracted.

I cannot count the number of times that we read about a member "getting distracted" whilst reloading...
by a spouse, a pet, the phone, or just "going mechanical" whilst watching TV ....
then realizing they made a mistake....

many folks catch it at the moment or  close after... and have to dissassemble many rounds.
some folks don't catch it until a round goes ffffffuut ...   or "pip" instead of bang. at least those are not KABOOM moments!.

I have done living history blacksmithing, and have made many many mistakes whilst talking to visitors... just getting distracted.

I have made the mistake of talking to people when loading my Hawken On The Line at a rondesvous.... and dryballed it.
(dryball: to load a muzzleloading rifle without powder, leading to having to stop and get tools to pull the ball and patch)
it is soooooo easy to get distracted ....

then there is the further issue of having open containers of powder and primers "too close" to the public,
who may be  smoking,  or drinking or doing other stupid things (kids playing with fire, trying to deliberately mess things up "as a prank" ....       )

trust me on this one, as a demo blacksmith, I have had wierd crap done to me and my anvil, my tongs, my hammer and the fire in my forge . And I have had stupid people try to pick up "black hot" steel even after being told "it's hot" and not to touch anything.
I even had finished knife blade stolen off the bench. Turn your back and people do wierd sheisse .

Thus, if demonstrating loading, I might suggest that you consider

faking it.

just in front of people, just for demonstration.
old crappy demo brass ( I like to stain them black with cold blue for easy ID )
dead (or previously fired) primers
fake powder - fake BP would be great, just use a scoop to fill a case with "black powder" ....
slightly undersized bullets that can be easily pulled, and not crimped in.

one can have a box of "real" previously loaded rounds and at the same time (somewhere out of reach)
one could safely "reload" the same 15 demo rounds over and over and over ...
whilst lecturing the Great Unwashed on the topic without having to worrying about it.

one can then use a "bullet pulling hammer" to dissassemble everything afterward as needed.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/685703/rcbs-powr-pull-impact-bullet-puller-kit

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2018, 06:14:28 pm »

Yes I know very little about it. I was just told that there was different types of Unique powder and I needed to find out which one to use. Didn’t mean to offend anyone by asking lol

Mike - you not offending anyone - we just worry about you blowin your head off - and if you doin living history demos without proper experience you just might (very likely) do hospital type damage to some bystander(s) as well - stick to your area od expertise (whatever it is)
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2018, 07:31:17 pm »

I understand guys and will probably do triple 7 or pyrodex powder substitute . I’m not totally ignorant to guns and things that go boom. I am a 22 year Army Infantry veteran with multiple deployments so I have heard a lot of BIG booms and seen the aftermath of them too . Been gun collecting since I was 16 years old and understand the ins and outs but have just now gotten interested in reloading but only historical reloading for my 73 Winchester , which probably wouldn’t handle a hot loaded round anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2018, 09:58:26 pm »

 Hey Mike ,, it's just everyone is concerned by the questions you have asked ,, I know you have seen & fired a lot of " ready made rounds ." RELOADING , new game ( for lack of a better word ) ," concern is a form of respect and yes even love for our fellow reloader's " . Don't ever stop asking question's ,, it s added insurance. Do the folk's here ever get tired of answering ,,NO , or the pages would be blank. " stay the course ".

  smoke'm if y'a got'm ,, Hootmix .
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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2018, 09:32:44 am »


Hi again Mike,


Just for your edification, BOTH of your choices as substitute for BP SUCK!!  Pyrodex is a rusting Agent that just happens to Burn.  777 is about 15 - 20% MORE potent than real BP.  You would be better off using real BP than those two Subs.

I thank you and Applaud your service.  I'm a 26 Year Veteran.  Nothing you did on AD prepared you for reloading.  New Game.  New Book,  Think of it like training for a new MOS you've never done.  Take your time.
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