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« on: October 17, 2017, 10:02:55 am »


Hello the Camp,
Any ideas out there about dry firing percussion revolvers. Live fire is fun, but expensive of powder, caps and lead.
Your thoughts please.
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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2017, 10:30:08 am »

I used to practise with my RUGER Single Six, (when I was somewhat competetive.) I was near to two ranges and went through 500 rounds a week. Wednesday morning I had about a 20 minute window. I could set up, the IPSC rack was alredy there, shoot about 100 rounds from the single Six and a 9422 and be on my way.

Dry firing with a percussion revolver? I have avoided doing that as I couldn't see a way to do it without battering something?
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« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2017, 10:37:50 am »

You could have a set of used nipples that you don't care about battering.

Just don't get them mixed up with yer shootin' nipples!
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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2017, 11:01:52 am »

I cut heavy leather strips that would fit in the hammer channel in the frame. The leather catches the hammer preventing battering of the frame, hammer and nipples.   Works on all varieties of C&B pistols.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2017, 11:04:12 am »

I just absolutely LOVE this question whenever it comes up.  The Knee Jerk answer is always NO!!!  NEVER!!!  NOWAY!!!  I spent too many years fixing the guns of the foolish and foolhardy to freely suggest Dry Firing a Percussion Revolver.  EXCEPT:

NEVER with guns you intend to shoot in CAS.  Should be self explanatory.

NEVER with Nipples in the guns.  There are those folks who advocate putting some form of Little Rubber Baby Buggy Bumper on the nipples.  Sure.  They wear.  Bad Joss.  Constant impact with the nipples not only ruins the nipples very rapidly but also pounds a nipple side dent in the hammer face.  More Bad Joss.

First you need a "Beater."  Same make and model you normally shoot.  Usually you can find one someone has screwed up by dry firing and get it for pennies.  Make it feel like your match gun(s).  Take the OEM nipples out and throw them away.  Or just pound the hammer and nipples into junque.  It's a "beater" remember??  If you dry fire your match guns, you going to need someone like ME!!  Not me because I'm retired ... remember??  Someone like me, who isn't retired and understands Cap Guns.  When you visit this person, be sure and take your pay cheque with you.  The person will want the pay cheque.  If you continue to dry fire your match guns, plan on several visits and lots of pay cheques.

Also, if you watch for the "specials" at the Big Box stores, you can often pick up a new gun at beater prices.  Oh, forgot, eventually, the hammer in the beater is going to break at the stress riser.  Just buy a new hammer and continue to pound it.  Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2017, 11:22:12 am »

Hey!!  KOOL!!

Noz was positing while I was typing.  REALLY interesting method.  Dry Fire is the only way to develop good trigger control.  The little leather strip would prevent the battering of the hammer against the frame (Still .... Take the nipples out).  So long as the bolt will reset, I think Noz's method is an excellent suggestion.  May even allow the use of your match guns.  Personally, I'd still use a "beater."  I must admit I am opinionated (who Huh  Me???) and can't really bring myself to suggest dry firing a finely tuned pair of match guns.  I must also admit, I really like the leather strip idea a lot.  See!!  You can teach an Old Dog new trix.  Roll Eyes   Grin
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 04:43:10 pm »

Someone callin' Noz an old dog? Even if not, he sure has learned a lot of tricks.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 09:38:54 pm »

This comes up frequently and there are always a few suggustions on how to do it.  I find none of these to be satisfactory over the long haul and simple do not under any circumstances dry fire any of my C&B revolvers.  Period. Nada. Never.  But that is just me.  Do what you want.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2017, 10:08:03 am »

The metals used in the C&B repros tends to be soft or merely case hardened compared to the suppository shooters (cartridge guns which must be loaded from the rear). I have a pair of "match guns" (old $99 on special ASM 44 "Navies") that work so reliably that I don't want to wear them out. I had them "tuned" way back in the mid 90s which included hardening of the triggers. I only dig them out for serious shoots where I actually care to be competitive which is about twice a year (state championship or a big annual). I don't want to wear them out by dry firing. My answer is to own a whole lot of different C&Bs so you never wear them out. Using a similar feeling suppository shooter with snap caps is how I've done any dry fire practice. Other than the harder cocking of the C&B all the rest of the muscle memory is the same.
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2017, 12:01:00 pm »

My personal Opine, Mirrors that of Pettifogger and Hellgate.  I simply DO NOT dry fire my Cap Guns.  I also agree with the method used by Hellgate to reduce wear and tear.  And it is an elegant solution.  Lots of Cap Guns.  Rotate their use.  I also practice Hellgate's method.  Lots of Cap Guns.  Lots.

I also try to provide simple solutions for those who feel you simply MUST Dry Fire your Cap Guns.  Trust me.  If your shooting Cap Guns for CAS, you are NEVER going to catch the Suppository Shooters.  Ever.  I personally like my practice beaters to feel like my actual match guns so I use the same Main Springs.  Also Same same the Main Springs in my very few Suppository guns.  So I return to my original suggestion.  Beaters.  Come first snow, get comfy in a nice warm home and hone your trigger control.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2017, 01:29:09 pm »

Thank you one and all for ideas and comments.
I would seen that my dry fire practice will be when I clear the cones by snapping a cap before loading.
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2017, 03:08:28 pm »

That would be excellent Practice   Grin
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2017, 03:58:49 pm »

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Caps at 12 bucks per hundred n hard to find at that - this ole skinflint blow her out with the air compressor before heading off to a match - take a squint through the cylinder - see light thru them nipples its all go ------the oldtimers didnt have a compressor plugged in the corner of the stable so they hadda waste caps clearing their gun ................................
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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2017, 06:13:37 pm »

I use nipple picks or those little denta brushes for going between teeth. They work pretty good. Like Greyhawk I'm way too cheap to pay for 12 extra caps per match. Sportsman's Warehouse has them for either $5.99 or $6.99/100.
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2017, 08:06:09 pm »

Someone callin' Noz an old dog? Even if not, he sure has learned a lot of tricks.


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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2017, 08:09:44 pm »

I'm with greyhawk, I blow my nipples out with an air compressor (always make sure you don't have moisture in your tank/lines)./ Have been doing it that way for a dozen years or so. Back in the day when caps were .60-.70 a 100, never thought twice about firing six per gun to blow out them out. Sometimes will even take a pipe cleaner after doing so and twirl it around-see even daylight in each hole-good to go.

"Dry fire"--I practice trigger control on my percussion and conversion types by pulling the trigger, dropping the hammer on a cap or primer, which ignites the powder, sending a ball/bullet out on a trip down the barrel, through space to a predestined target.  As has been mentioned in a number of posts--hard on the gun, I don't even do it on my modern made, finest steel formed and nitrocellulose fueled revolvers and semi-auto's. No sense in hurrying along what you get with normal wear and tear to fine firearms by abusing them sitting in your living room taking fake potshots at your lamps.
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2017, 09:51:28 pm »

Hey Wait a minute.  Air compressor??  Don't have an air compressor anymore.  When I did, moisture in the tank and lines was pretty common.  Additionally, I want to burn off the oil film in the chamber before I load the first stage.  Additionally, I only fire caps thru the chambers I plan to use that day.  That's only 10.   Roll Eyes

I figure those 10 caps are cheap insurance those first 10 are going to fire just like the rest of the days loads.  I know, I know, you guys have just as good a result with your compressors, but ya gotta admit, bustin those caps be lots more fun.   Cheesy

Even though I no longer chase the Brass Ring .... I still participate in meaningful practice sessions.  It's called matches by some folks.   Grin
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« Reply #17 on: October 19, 2017, 11:23:49 pm »

Hey Wait a minute.  Air compressor??  Don't have an air compressor anymore.  When I did, moisture in the tank and lines was pretty common.  Additionally, I want to burn off the oil film in the chamber before I load the first stage.  Additionally, I only fire caps thru the chambers I plan to use that day.  That's only 10.   Roll Eyes

I figure those 10 caps are cheap insurance those first 10 are going to fire just like the rest of the days loads.  I know, I know, you guys have just as good a result with your compressors, but ya gotta admit, bustin those caps be lots more fun.   Cheesy

Even though I no longer chase the Brass Ring .... I still participate in meaningful practice sessions.  It's called matches by some folks.   Grin

We have the advantage of living in a very dry environment (think Arizona - 40% humidity as a common thing) hence H2O in air tanks is not a common problem - this caper would not work near so well in most of your country - as well if I just drove 7 hours to the venue I would likely waste a few caps as insurance - the oily film ? - ahhhhhhgggggg I use that orrible WD40 ys all hate - just a touch of it ona cotton mop in the cylinders ---only shoot my guns little but fairly often
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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2017, 10:34:26 am »

Well Iowa is both humid and hot in the summer months. Plus 90* F days in summer with high humidity (70-90%) not uncommon. If I can keep my basement with dehumidifiers 50% humidity during the summer I'm happy. Store my primers and powder in moisture proof containers, stays pretty cool 'down there', have never had any powder or primer/cap deteriorate. I keep my two air compressors tanks dry (ya have ta bleed em once in a while), only line is the rubber hose coming off them. I didn't mention that prior to blowing out the nipples with air, I take a large swab and wipe out the chambers with denatured alcohol, then blow the nipples. Takes out all and any oil. Have never had any misfire, though firing off six caps does the trick too, doing so won't put me in a food line somewhere, but I'm cheap and hate to waste caps blowing out the cylinder.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2017, 10:28:50 pm »

Walt Kirst now makes a cylinder and barrel insert for .22 Long Rifle.  With this rig you can shoot .22 ammo for practice.

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2017, 03:30:17 pm »

Another reason I don’t snap caps to clear the nipples (besides being a cheapskate) is sometimes the cap leaves paper fragments that actually clog the nipple for the next shot. This phenomenon is probably related to the shape of the top of the nipple like the amount of flat vs shaarp edge to the top of the cone and whether the cap has a paper or shellac seal.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2017, 06:04:56 pm »

Thank you one and all for the help and suggestions.
My solution, with a little counseling, was to simply replace the Slixshot (high$$) with the factory nipples (El Chepo) which all the caps that won't work on Slixshot because Slixshot are engineered for Rem #10 fit just fine. I have a rather large inventory of CCI, RWS, and a couple of tins that may be collector item makes as i have  never heard of the maker but look fine.
At one time I had a die to make caps with beer can aluminum and match heads. If I can find it that should work just fine jut no match heads.
This will work for practice draw, for trigger control, does not hurt the gun and make a very satisfying POP.
Problem solved.
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2017, 09:13:32 pm »

Another reason I don’t snap caps to clear the nipples (besides being a cheapskate) is sometimes the cap leaves paper fragments that actually clog the nipple for the next shot.
10-4---have seen this happen a few times.
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« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2017, 09:19:32 am »


AH ..... 10 Seconds with a Nipple Pic??   Grin
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