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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2017, 01:07:29 pm »


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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2017, 04:19:41 pm »

Darn! I won a $50 gift certificate to Starline at the last Cowboy shoot. I use 45CS and would have used the gift certificate for more 45CS. Instead I "wasted" the certificate on more 38-40

BTW, their description says...."Generally these can be loaded using .45 Colt dies".....That would be 45ACP dies....

I've been shooting them for years and have never seen a split case. Fantastic for black powder shooting with Big Lube bullets

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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2017, 01:03:50 pm »

Great image Rbertalotto,

This will help fellow shooters to know what the C45Spl looks like as well as showing the very appropriate use of the 45 Slim Big Lube bullets.

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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2017, 01:33:25 pm »

Loving me those Big Lubes!
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2017, 09:44:43 pm »

Darn! I won a $50 gift certificate to Starline at the last Cowboy shoot. I use 45CS and would have used the gift certificate for more 45CS. Instead I "wasted" the certificate on more 38-40

NO ! -----buying 38/40 is never a waste


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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2017, 10:31:58 pm »

Are .. Bert .. Allotto,

Prey tell kind Sir ..... Have you run em C45S and 45 Slim Big Lubes thru a Toggle Link Rifle???  Looks too much like a Semi-Wad-Kutter, too run in Toggle Rifles.  Would work a treat as a pistol round though Betcha.
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« Reply #31 on: September 03, 2017, 11:17:06 am »

No, I only use them in converted 1860 Colts with Kirst conversion cylinders. I shoot 38-40 in my rifles.
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« Reply #32 on: September 03, 2017, 12:29:32 pm »

Ah So!!  Just as I suspected.  Not being critical either.  Semi-Wad Cutters of any flavor do not play well in Toggle Link Rifles.  Marginal at best in Fish and '92s too.  Howsome Ever:

Ever since before it's inception (C45S) and ever since it's inception (C45S) I have found the cartridge to be just absolutely dandy in all the 45 handguns I shoot.  My 1860 Snubbies and my 1851 .44 Snubbies are equipped with R&D type conversion cylinders and the C45S allows really nice shooting reduced loads without messing with fillers (mostly).  Also run quite nicely in my Open Tops.

Also just superb fun in Toggle link rifles modified to run the C45S.  Really fun to get `12 rounds in a Henry Trapper with a 16 inch barrel.  Or a '73 Trapper,  or a '66 Trapper, or stuff 18 of em in a full length Henry (WOW it gets HOT).  Just all round great FUN!!!
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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2017, 11:38:41 am »

Ah So!!  Just as I suspected.  Not being critical either.  Semi-Wad Cutters of any flavor do not play well in Toggle Link Rifles.  Marginal at best in Fish and '92s too.  Howsome Ever:

Ever since before it's inception (C45S) and ever since it's inception (C45S) I have found the cartridge to be just absolutely dandy in all the 45 handguns I shoot.  My 1860 Snubbies and my 1851 .44 Snubbies are equipped with R&D type conversion cylinders and the C45S allows really nice shooting reduced loads without messing with fillers (mostly).  Also run quite nicely in my Open Tops.

Also just superb fun in Toggle link rifles modified to run the C45S.  Really fun to get `12 rounds in a Henry Trapper with a 16 inch barrel.  Or a '73 Trapper,  or a '66 Trapper, or stuff 18 of em in a full length Henry (WOW it gets HOT).  Just all round great FUN!!!

You didn't include the Marlin 1894 as modified by Widowmaker Hill.

https://youtu.be/RssZK2ljFJw
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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2017, 07:52:49 pm »

Well Hi Bibbyman!!

Just so.  Just so.  Basically atz 'cause I don't have one.  AJ first worked out the carrier modification that became the Widdermagic.  After Widder works his "Magic" onna Fish, can be a really competitive rifle and run C45S like wet grain thru a Goose.  I'm not sure if a Widdermagic will run 45 Semi-Wadcutters though.  It may.  Toggles won't.  Dandy pistol cartridge.
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2017, 08:41:01 pm »

Well Hi Bibbyman!!

Just so.  Just so.  Basically atz 'cause I don't have one.  AJ first worked out the carrier modification that became the Widdermagic.  After Widder works his "Magic" onna Fish, can be a really competitive rifle and run C45S like wet grain thru a Goose.  I'm not sure if a Widdermagic will run 45 Semi-Wadcutters though.  It may.  Toggles won't.  Dandy pistol cartridge.

Did you fire off the video I linked?  They even fed empty cases.
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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2017, 02:25:44 pm »

Darn! I won a $50 gift certificate to Starline at the last Cowboy shoot. I use 45CS and would have used the gift certificate for more 45CS. Instead I "wasted" the certificate on more 38-40

BTW, their description says...."Generally these can be loaded using .45 Colt dies".....That would be 45ACP dies....

I've been shooting them for years and have never seen a split case. Fantastic for black powder shooting with Big Lube bullets



I found that when I reloaded C45S cases using 45 ACP dies that I had an excessive amount of blowback.  The 45 ACP uses a tapered case. The 45 Colt is a straight wall. Changing to a 45 Colt sizing die solved the problem.
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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2017, 09:31:51 am »

I found that when I reloaded C45S cases using 45 ACP dies that I had an excessive amount of blowback.  The 45 ACP uses a tapered case. The 45 Colt is a straight wall. Changing to a 45 Colt sizing die solved the problem.

I had the same problem Noz. I solved it by shortening an old roll crimp die. It works great and really helped blowback.

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« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2017, 09:07:36 pm »

No blowback worries whutsomever in my 1860s with Kirst Konverters.  I use 45 ACP dies with #11 shell holder.  I do, however, get some off color comments when I shoot the lil C45Spl ammo with my old model ROAs.  Big horse pistols with lil boolits.  They don't buck and snort much from those heavy guns.

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« Reply #39 on: October 29, 2017, 07:28:36 pm »

Now please Starline, thin the rim a bit and give us .455 Webley Mk I brass!
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2017, 10:19:36 pm »

Ho Drydock,

Starline will perhaps do that if you will pony up for 50,000 pieces. . .
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2017, 11:11:41 am »

Ho Drydock,

Starline will perhaps do that if you will pony up for 50,000 pieces. . .

I'll taken 500!
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2017, 11:09:55 am »

I've got a couple thousand or so Big Lube® J/P 45 200g cast up.  They will go in C45Spl brass and 45 Colt brass.  This seems to be my ideal Big Lube® bullet for those two kinds of brass.  Heavy enough to take Bambi or KDs and light enough that the recoil is manageable.

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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2017, 01:20:01 pm »

I've got a couple thousand or so Big Lube® J/P 45 200g cast up.  They will go in C45Spl brass and 45 Colt brass.  This seems to be my ideal Big Lube® bullet for those two kinds of brass.  Heavy enough to take Bambi or KDs and light enough that the recoil is manageable.

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« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2017, 07:36:37 pm »

That CAS case with 1.3 c/c FFFg powder and a 200 grain bullet, I believe, pretty much  duplicates the ballistics of the original 44 Henry load.
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I've seen that the original 44 Henry had 28 grains of black powder with a 200 grain bullet which is what a 45 Schofield uses. Seems to me the 45 Cowboy special would be an anemic round even comparing to the old 45 Henry.
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« Reply #45 on: November 16, 2017, 07:39:02 pm »

The underlying thing is, Starline see's enough future in CAS to tool up....

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« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2017, 09:31:08 pm »

How about ..... Let us Remember ....... and Understand .......

The 44 Henry Flat was a Balloon Head straight wall Copper Case round, designed and intended primarily as a Pseudo Military round to do great harm to soft pink Bodies.  Follow that part??

The Cowboy 45 Special was designed to be a reduced recoil round to promote the .45 Caliber as being competitive in CAS to .38 loadings.  However, with a 200Gr projectile, velocities are achieved that would not be considered "Anemic."  Certainly quite lethal.  The velocities obtained are not that far off from "others" and one should retain sight of the design objective.  Ringing Steel Plates.
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« Reply #47 on: November 17, 2017, 08:03:22 am »

I've seen that the original 44 Henry had 28 grains of black powder with a 200 grain bullet which is what a 45 Schofield uses. Seems to me the 45 Cowboy special would be an anemic round even comparing to the old 45 Henry.
I've heard the same thing about 45acp and 9mm.
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« Reply #48 on: November 17, 2017, 01:51:26 pm »

Howdy Cliff,

The US Army went to the Colt 1911 pistol chambered in 45ACP because they needed more firepower.  The 45ACP is NOT a puny round, even by today's magnum mania standards.

The Cowboy 45 Special brass has the SAME internal volume as the 45ACP, uses the same primer and bullet.  The ONLY difference is the rim.  The C45Spl has the same rim as the 45Colt.  Now, if that rim makes that much difference to you, shoot 45 Colt and stay happy.  However, my Pietta Army 1860 open tops are too fragile to handle a full house 45 Colt load and would shake apart after a couple of matches.  With the C45Spl and 20 grains of FFFg black powder under a J/P45-200 the guns will last a lot longer.  No, it's not an ROA but I sure like the way it points and shoots.  I have Kirst Konverter cylinders and a gated plates and Kirst ejectors.  They are right handsome shootin' irons and I really like their fit to my big hands.

Were I to need something more robust I'd load up my brace of ROAs with strong 45 Colt ammo and have at it.  For home defence I have a 12ga SxS by my bed.  With 33.5 grains of smokeless behind a buffered load of 1.5oz. of #3 nickel plated shot, this would be my 1st choice hall sweeper.

So, yes, there's a place for light recoiling loads in SASS shooting and the C45Spl fills the bill nicely.

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2017, 11:57:21 am »


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