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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2017, 05:51:32 pm »

Trying to remember how the Type II and other conversions tend to shoot. Do they tend to shoot high or low?
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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2017, 08:02:47 pm »

Just like the 1860s, they shoot high.  250 grain 45 will shoot higher than  200 grain.
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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2017, 08:41:19 pm »

If I buy a Richard's Type II with 51/2 barrel, could I switch it with one of my 8 inch Barrels? Both of my 8 inch barrel revolvers needed some work on the table area because the cylinders were dragging. Cimarron did the work but the step down area on both of them lost some of the definition. I would like for at least on of them to have the definition. Hopefully I explained it clearly. If my Richard's Mason wasn't charcoal blue I would have tried swapping the barrels with it.
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« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2017, 09:58:57 pm »

Yes, the .44 RIchards-Mason and Richards Type II barrels in any barrel length are interchangeable.  Some fitting may be required, of course.
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« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2017, 10:20:48 pm »

What kind of fitting
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« Reply #30 on: August 30, 2017, 09:36:35 pm »

I loaded some empty 44 Russian in one of my Type II and cycled the cylinder. It turned hard like it was hanging up. I put the brass in my other Richard's and it cycled fine. Any ideas what is wrong with the other One? I loaded 44 Colt in it and it worked fine.
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« Reply #31 on: August 30, 2017, 10:30:23 pm »

Maybe the 44 Russian brass is a "hair" thicker rim thickness and could be draggin on a high spot or burr on the recoil shield. Check the brass heads and see if there are any semi-circular scratches or rub marks on them. My Open Top when I first got it would cycle fine empty and with unfired rounds in it, after the first two shots the two empty fired brass would rub on a burr. I had to turn the cylinder by hand and not the hand that's suppose to be turning it. They had semi-circular scratches from a small burr on the lower right area of the recoil shield. Evidently the brass upon firing would get blown back enough upon firing causing the hang up. Filed the burr off and never a problem since.
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« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2017, 11:13:35 pm »

I loaded some empty 44 Russian in one of my Type II and cycled the cylinder. It turned hard like it was hanging up. I put the brass in my other Richard's and it cycled fine. Any ideas what is wrong with the other One? I loaded 44 Colt in it and it worked fine.

I cannot think of any reason.  If that Russian brass had spent primers in it, make sure none of them are high (scrape marks on the primer).  Do you have any 44 Spcl brass?  The rim on the Russian and Special is exactly the same.  Maybe you were holding the gun a different way when it hung up?  I haven't heard of it being a particular problem on the Type II, but any of the OT's and conversions can hang up a round if the loading gate edge isn't even with the frame at the point just above the loading gate screw.  Though aiming the gun down while cycling would prevent that one from happening.
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« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2017, 11:35:12 pm »

Real typical problem is the barrel/arbor fit.  Or in the case of Uberti the non-fit.  If the wedge is pushed in a bit further on one than the other that can cause the cylinder to bind.  Try pushing the wedge out a bit and see if it cycles OK.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2017, 06:45:49 pm »

I backed the pin off a little and it is cycling good now with the 44 Russian cartridges. I must have push it in too tight the last time I cleaned it. Thank you for your comments
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2017, 07:12:23 pm »

I backed the pin off a little and it is cycling good now with the 44 Russian cartridges. I must have push it in too tight the last time I cleaned it. Thank you for your comments

The problem will only get worse until you repair the underlying defect.  The arbor fit has to be corrected.  Once done the gun will give years of service.
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2017, 05:13:50 pm »


PLUS ONE to PETTIFOGGER.  Uberti built Open Top type guns MUST have the Barrel to Arbor fit checked and Corrected BEFORE doing anything else with the gun.
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