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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2017, 09:21:42 am »

Coal Creek-Your post #17 where you reported on the interview of the writer/director hit my thoughts on the movie. Not much character development, it did jump around a lot from area to area, a lot of scenes that jumped from one day to the next and back again, daylight to night time. You had to pay attention to that or it left you wondering. If I were a movie critic I'd put this one at a 5. Not a block buster, must see, nor a real loser. My previous rating of a 3 out of 10 still stands. The number and types of boats going to the rescue is a poor representation of the historical fact. Disappointed in the movie--had high hopes for it.
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2017, 02:41:43 pm »

  Saw it last Sunday. As a WW2 buff, I thought was probably the worst movie I have ever seen on the subject...absolutely horrible. Soldiers meaninglessly lined up on the beach while the evacuations were occurring on distant jetties, an agonizingly long scene of the Spit I trying to shoot down the He-111 in which it would be overcast from one angle of the scene, then immediately clear in the next angle of the fight, and yes, what seemed like an hours long dead-stick flight in which the Spit shot down a Ju-87, on and on and on.

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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2017, 10:16:11 pm »

I went and saw this movie three times and enjoyed it every single time. Best $5.95 I spent too.

I read that the owner of a period correct Spitfire Mark 1 actually landed his priceless airplane, dead stick, on the beach.

Yep, worth every penny.
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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2017, 06:53:56 pm »

Saw it this morning and if you realize how it is put together, it makes sense.  Also, look at the pictures from the time, and they were lined up on the beach waiting for the boats.  Yes, they did take off almost 400,000 during the evacuation (not 4,000,000) including the French, which is mentioned as the last British ship leaves.
If you watch it carefully, the scenes overlap.
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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2017, 12:28:25 am »

Saw it this morning and if you realize how it is put together, it makes sense.  Also, look at the pictures from the time, and they were lined up on the beach waiting for the boats.  Yes, they did take off almost 400,000 during the evacuation (not 4,000,000) including the French, which is mentioned as the last British ship leaves.
If you watch it carefully, the scenes overlap.

Exactly. I was confounded at first, but I caught on to the direction. Everything fell into place as it should have.
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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2017, 10:30:32 am »

I read that the owner of a period correct Spitfire Mark 1 actually landed his priceless airplane, dead stick, on the beach.

Then they ruined the sequence by burning a mock up without a simulated engine.

I think the movie was fractured and amateurish in the editing and told only a fraction of the enormous story.

Think of "A Bridge Too Far", "The Longest Day"  and other such epic stories to see how it could have been done better.
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2017, 11:08:16 am »

Trying to tell a truly epic story without enough resources. If you can't hire enough extras and material' you use cgi to fill in the gaps or just tell a smaller story. Think of Gettysburg. A lot of small stories wrapped up in an epic struggle. I doubt if there was any cgi in it but if there was I couldn't tell. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2017, 10:55:51 am »

If you can't hire enough extras and material' you use cgi to fill in the gaps or just tell a smaller story.

That's my major complaint - the movie told too many smaller stories and the greater story was lost as a result. The movie gave the impression of being very low budget.
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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2017, 02:55:31 pm »

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Then they ruined the sequence by burning a mock up without a simulated engine.

 Cheesy Hollywood got it wrong again. I've got to lie down.
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« Reply #34 on: September 02, 2017, 10:59:15 am »

Like I said earlier - CAS people get bent out of shape over incorrect guns and tack for the era in western movies., like '92s where it should be a '73. When it comes to more modern historical movies, we have the same high expectations, reasonable or not.

Watching some beautiful Spits gracefully flying in simulated aerial combat with ex-Swiss Me109s may be visually pleasing, but it doesn't reflect the reality.

As a kid, I knew an RCAF Spit pilot and he wondered why they spent so much time flying in perfect formations when in combat, you flew with ham-handed movements to try and stay alive. Nice, graceful flying got you killed PDQ.
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« Reply #35 on: September 02, 2017, 04:15:42 pm »

Like I said earlier - CAS people get bent out of shape over incorrect guns and tack for the era in western movies., like '92s where it should be a '73. When it comes to more modern historical movies, we have the same high expectations, reasonable or not.

Watching some beautiful Spits gracefully flying in simulated aerial combat with ex-Swiss Me109s may be visually pleasing, but it doesn't reflect the reality.

As a kid, I knew an RCAF Spit pilot and he wondered why they spent so much time flying in perfect formations when in combat, you flew with ham-handed movements to try and stay alive. Nice, graceful flying got you killed PDQ.


Well, CAS people shoot long arms in .45 Colt. Shoot handguns two handed. Shoot 1897 pump action shotguns. Shoot loads that are one point over a squib... So, they have no ground to complain much about anything incorrect. Just saying. Roll Eyes

I intend to buy the Dunkirk DVD when available.

There. I said it. And feel better already. Grin
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« Reply #36 on: September 02, 2017, 06:05:16 pm »

You mean SOME people shoot long arms in .45 Colt, and with light bullets to boot.

'97 shotguns are Mexican Revolution, close enough to "Cowboy" for me. I just dislike seeing them shot as single shots, loaded from a bandolier at bra height over a paunch.

Loads "one point over squib" definitely ain't Cowboy.

Pointing out the flaws in a movie that purports to be historical is justifiable when so many others have done the job well.
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« Reply #37 on: September 02, 2017, 07:46:57 pm »

You mean SOME people
Yes that. Grin

And some people shoot duelist style as they did back then.

Not so many others have done the job well.

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« Reply #38 on: September 02, 2017, 11:18:55 pm »

Like I said earlier - CAS people get bent out of shape over incorrect guns and tack for the era in western movies., like '92s where it should be a '73. When it comes to more modern historical movies, we have the same high expectations, reasonable or not.

Watching some beautiful Spits gracefully flying in simulated aerial combat with ex-Swiss Me109s may be visually pleasing, but it doesn't reflect the reality.

As a kid, I knew an RCAF Spit pilot and he wondered why they spent so much time flying in perfect formations when in combat, you flew with ham-handed movements to try and stay alive. Nice, graceful flying got you killed PDQ.


I've come to a point in my life where I take movies with a grain of salt.

Some armchair aviators get twisted at the sight of a Spanish-built Hispano HA-1112 "Buchon" wearing Luftwaffe markings. Not me.
A genuine Bf-109 is a rarity not to be risked.

Just look at the movie Red Tails. All the aircraft looked authentic down to the smallest details but people still found something wrong with it.
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« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2017, 10:54:47 am »

Bottom line - "Dunkirk" sucks by any standards, the apologists wailing notwithstanding.
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« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2017, 01:37:52 pm »

"You cannot have your way in every particular." -Rooster Cogburn.

Setting high expectations, reasonable or not, will ensure some measure of chronic dissatisfaction.

Adios.

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« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2017, 02:50:03 pm »

Yup.

I'm reminded of the old adage - "Do not undertake a vast project with half vast ideas and preparation."
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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2017, 11:24:02 am »

I'm beating a dead horse, but I recently watched "Blackhawk Down" for the fifth or sixth time.

Some have been saying how great "Dunkirk" was because of the "up close and personal" aspect of the jumping back and forth, disjointed scenarios in the confusing time lime.

You had that very much so in "Blackhawk Down" over the time line of the Mogadishu incident with small but integrated scenarios involving both small groups and individuals. Due to careful editing, it worked. You really got the feeling of what it must have been like to be there.
Compare that to the stilted, mumbled dialogue of Kenneth Brannagh in "Dunkirk", the unintelligible babble of the Spitfire pilots and the inexplicable, catatonic calm of the Brit yacht owner.

The commanding General in "Blackhawk Down" had the fewest lines of the major characters, but you got a real sense of the anguish he went through as the operation went south and things rapidly fell apart.  Compare that to the mumbled dialogue of Kenneth Brannagh, the unintelligible babble of the Spitfire pilot and the catatonic calm of the Brit yacht owner.

The main story line of "Blackhawk Down" centred on the individual soldiers who adapted and coped with the rapidly deteriorating situation. It was also helped by the great helicopter scenes and mock ups of the crashed aircraft. I don't know how much of it was done by CGI, but it worked.




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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2017, 08:00:53 am »

I enjoyed the movie. I don't care about character development. The audience should experience being there themselves.
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