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« on: June 18, 2017, 04:06:07 pm »


There have been lots of topics about favorite westerns, or best westerns, but I didn't see anything for most historically accurate westerns? My own research turned up a few candidates:
The Culpepper Cattle Company
Unforgiven
Dances with Wolves

All of them have some issues (Unforgiven references a .30-30 twelve years before it was invented, and Dances With Wolves got some tribal details wrong due to a change in shooting locations, among other things). Are there any other good ones people can recommend?
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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2017, 04:18:02 pm »

Appaloosa? Ed Harris not only gave a great performance, but wrote and directed. He was quite a stickler for detail.
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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2017, 04:24:55 pm »

Appaloosa? Ed Harris not only gave a great performance, but wrote and directed. He was quite a stickler for detail.

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2017, 04:44:45 pm »

Tom Selleck's work holds up, I think.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2017, 04:51:20 pm »

Tom Sellack's work holds up, I think.


Tom Selleck's westerns are some of the best I have ever seen...!

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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2017, 04:57:48 pm »

I enjoyed the sets, firearms, clothing, storyline, just about everything was perfect in the Deadwood series but I couldn't get past the horrible language. I expected it in The Sopranos but not in Deadwood. Just ruined what could have been a great show.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2017, 05:04:43 pm »

I enjoyed the sets, firearms, clothing, storyline, just about everything was perfect in the Deadwood series but I couldn't get past the horrible language. I expected it in The Sopranos but not in Deadwood. Just ruined what could have been a great show.

I agree with you. The horrible language ruined it for me...

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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2017, 02:21:03 pm »

Hands down little house on the praire! Everyones bored, hot and sad. Very authentic
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2017, 03:25:33 pm »

I enjoyed the sets, firearms, clothing, storyline, just about everything was perfect in the Deadwood series but I couldn't get past the horrible language. I expected it in The Sopranos but not in Deadwood. Just ruined what could have been a great show.

From what I've heard, they used the language to show offensive such a town would have been to folks of the period. Had they used the authentic language, everyone would have sounded like Yosemite Sam and the modern audience wouldn't have understood how shocking and offensive a frontier boom town like that was. Given that reasoning, I solidly approve.

Having said that, the show is certainly not for everyone, and I don't blame anyone who turns away from it for the language.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2017, 04:29:50 pm »

Hands down little house on the praire! Everyones bored, hot and sad. Very authentic

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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2017, 05:26:38 pm »

Don't know if that was their thinking but given the great authentic period westerns such as Lonesome Dove, Tombstone, Open Range, Quigley Down Under, Gettysburg ( not a western but certainly a historical film)  to name a few,  the over the top language was totally uncalled for and unnecessary. I understand that they were doing an 'adult' sexy western as opposed to a 'G' rated one. But had they toned it down it could have been a really terrific series. Never much liked Little Joe on the Prairie. My wife and I spent a couple of days in Deadwood on a vacation trip to Cody/ Yellowstone and I never heard the 'f' word once the whole time we were there.
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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2017, 05:44:52 pm »

There have been lots of topics about favorite westerns, or best westerns, but I didn't see anything for most historically accurate westerns? My own research turned up a few candidates:
The Culpepper Cattle Company
Unforgiven
Dances with Wolves

All of them have some issues (Unforgiven references a .30-30 twelve years before it was invented, and Dances With Wolves got some tribal details wrong due to a change in shooting locations, among other things). Are there any other good ones people can recommend?

I always had a little problem with Buffalo being taken down with the Henry in Dances With Wolves  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2017, 06:04:40 pm »

Lonesome Dove, the first one
Open Range,
Quick and the Dead (Sam Elliot Version) and Conagher also Elliot,
Last stand at Saber River, Monte Walsh, and Crossfire Trail (Tom Selleck),
Cullpepper Cattle company.
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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2017, 06:14:01 pm »

Hands down little house on the praire! Everyones bored, hot and sad. Very authentic
If hot, bored, and sad are what make things authentic and enjoyable, come spend a summer on our homestead. You'll be overwhelmed with "authentic" Wink
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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2017, 07:18:56 pm »

From what I've heard, they used the language to show offensive such a town would have been to folks of the period. Had they used the authentic language, everyone would have sounded like Yosemite Sam and the modern audience wouldn't have understood how shocking and offensive a frontier boom town like that was. Given that reasoning, I solidly approve.

Having said that, the show is certainly not for everyone, and I don't blame anyone who turns away from it for the language.

And, you solidly approve that, because you were there - right?

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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2017, 07:22:10 pm »

Hands down little house on the praire! Everyones bored, hot and sad. Very authentic

I read a couple books about the children of settlers being abducted by Native Americans, and it seems almost every one of them was miserable after they got "rescued." They briefly had a life spent doing whatever they wanted, and then were brought back to poverty, misery, toil, and prudishness. Seems to me Little Tipi on the Prairie would be a much more enjoyable show to watch! And almost certainly R-rated for nudity and gratuitous violence.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2017, 08:29:30 pm »

Read or watch Little Big Man. It's all about being kidnapped by Native Americans and the 'rescued'.  Totally Hilarious.
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2017, 08:31:21 pm »

Read or watch Little Big Man. It's all about being kidnapped by Native Americans and the 'rescued'.  Totally Hilarious.
Excellent movie, but I think there is a bit too much "literary license" taken  Wink
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2017, 08:59:05 pm »

Excellent movie, but I think there is a bit too much "literary license" taken  Wink
  yeah, just a tad  Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2017, 06:11:50 am »

In 1970, a film deemed the most shocking at the time, was Soldier Blue.

Based loosely around the Sand Creek Massacre.... Graphic scene's of brutality,   Rape and killing the female survivors, nudity.

I saw it once, that was sufficient   Roll Eyes

     
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2017, 07:14:48 am »

Hey Major, I had forgotten that movie!  I saw it when VCRs and videos had to be rented, just about the time I started college.   I agree, as a guy who has watched the Magnificent Seven and Silverado more times than I can count, I have seen it once.   Having read about the Sand Creek Massacre, it is probably a tame presentation, but disturbing none the less.
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« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2017, 08:38:08 am »

And, you solidly approve that, because you were there - right?

Bill

Of course not. Have I given cause for offense or something? I imagine that a frontier boomtown would have been a shockingly crude place to those not used to it in its time, and I thought what the showmakers did was a good way to convey that to the audience.

Granted, I went into Deadwood knowing that it would be crude at best and offensive at worst. It's not a show that I want to watch all the time, but it's great when I have that particular itch. Just like how I prefer other Westerns like Open Range when I'm wanting more of a Heroic Western or something to that effect.
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« Reply #22 on: June 21, 2017, 09:03:17 am »

I thoroughly enjoyed Deadwood. It wasn't completely accurate from a historical aspect, but David Milch did put in tons of research on many aspects of the era. I am absolutely no Boy Scout, so violence, sex, and language don't bother me. But, it does offend some, which is why they put the warnings up before the show starts.

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2017, 03:25:18 pm »

To sum it all up.

Western movies and historically accurate. Do not belong in the same sentence.  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2017, 06:21:35 pm »

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Western movies and historically accurate. Do not belong in the same sentence.  Grin

Then again they get a lot closer to reality than most romances lol! Smiley
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