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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2017, 01:13:24 pm »

Thanks pard, I should of tried a few shots with my reading glasses on I can see the sights perfect but the target is then blurry.
If I put a bright colored dot on for a target that may help, we`ll give it a try tomorrow if it isn`t raining which it`s about to do right now.
IMO a 44 spl should put them in a two inch group easy at 15 yards.
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2017, 01:44:48 pm »

A pair of 44s and 15yds groups.




Top gun shot the left group after I cut the front sight down.  Bottom gun shot the right group without doing a thing to it past new flat springs and a trigger job.  Hence the name "perfect 44".  We're close in age.  Can't see near or far very good but thankfully I can still focus on a front sight with some clarity Smiley
 


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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2017, 02:10:55 pm »

Say now those are fine looking pistols and mighty fine shootin for sure and for certain, thanks for sharing.
I`ve been a welder for many years and I think that took a toll on my vision.
Guess I`ll have to learn point shootin.  Grin
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2017, 02:24:36 pm »

I don't think that those groups are bad neither.  A bit open, but they have a  nice pattern....which tells us a couple of things, or maybe more:
The  shooter has skills  and trigger control and they can be improved.... by comparison...



If we pay attention to the patched holes, they were made by un unknown shooter with a 9mm pistol, and I suspect it was an expensive pistol, maybe an STI or a top price CZ or a 952 SW pistol....I know  that because I watched as an spectator the match, before being allowed to use the facilities with my Centaure, and all the guys attending the match  were veteran shooters, above 50 years old.

This guy does not control neither sights, nor trigger.

A decent shooter with a factory standard  gun can do a lot more than a mediocre shooter with a top gun.
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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2017, 02:44:06 pm »

Thanks Sir, we`ll see what happens tomorrow, could be it just doesn`t like the load also.
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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2017, 06:50:46 pm »

Back on the tuning side of the O.P.s inquiry,  maybe he can give details on what was done to his revolver. From what I've seen and read, many times the bolt stop (lip in front of the bolt head) is ground off, requiring the user to manually push the bolt down to reset it when cycling with the cylinder out. I can understand Bob doing this to his own rigs but wouldn't do it to a customers. One thing that I do use that I learned from Bob, is a step on the bolt head. This step ensures that the leading edge/side of the bolt will be in the locking notch faster than it would normally be and helps guarantee throw-by ain't gonna happen!! (I didn't get a "yay" or "nay" from Jim so we didn't discuss it anymore). This, along with a few other things done to the bolt alone, is one of many things I've picked up from many tuners (admittedly mostly from Jim) to put in my service.
  The point is, a good tuning done correctly shouldn't necessarily detract from a revolver but taking away "normal" operating functions may (ie. The removal of the bolt stop or setting a revolver up to be a fanner .  .  .).

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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2017, 07:11:24 pm »

Back on the tuning side of the O.P.s inquiry,  maybe he can give details on what was done to his revolver. From what I've seen and read, many times the bolt stop (lip in front of the bolt head) is ground off, requiring the user to manually push the bolt down to reset it when cycling with the cylinder out. I can understand Bob doing this to his own rigs but wouldn't do it to a customers. One thing that I do use that I learned from Bob, is a step on the bolt head. This step ensures that the leading edge/side of the bolt will be in the locking notch faster than it would normally be and helps guarantee throw-by ain't gonna happen!! (I didn't get a "yay" or "nay" from Jim so we didn't discuss it anymore). This, along with a few other things done to the bolt alone, is one of many things I've picked up from many tuners (admittedly mostly from Jim) to put in my service.
  The point is, a good tuning done correctly shouldn't necessarily detract from a revolver but taking away "normal" operating functions may (ie. The removal of the bolt stop or setting a revolver up to be a fanner .  .  .).

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Are ya asking me Mike, if so all I had done to mine was the basic tune-up new wire trigger hand or bolt spring which ever ya call it on a Colt and the main spring thinned.
I think I`ll get out of this thread as it got way off topic, appreciate the interest and replies but I`m not interested in the bad views of MR. Munden who isn`t here to defend himself.
No one in particular I`m referring too so don`t take offence anyone, I`ll start a new thread about the accuracy of my Colt after I shoot it again.
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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2017, 07:57:23 pm »

Pitchy, I have a twin to yours.  My 1st Colt was a 5 1/2" .44 Spcl bought at a gunshow in '99, then exactly one year later at that show bought the 4 3/4" .44 Spcl to go with it.  The first one had timing problems and I got an action job from Bob Taylor as I was new to these guns back then.  The 4 3/4" looked new (no box), and all I've done to it is a spring kit.  The 5 1/2" is from early 1978 with a very late SA suffix serial number, and the 4 3/4" is from late '78 with an early SA prefix.  Just shot BP in them at the Tejas Caballeros today.  The first gun has about 4300 rounds through it now and the second has 2800 through it.  I only shoot them a couple times a year now, gotta get the others into the rotation  Smiley  Both came with Eagle grips but I don't have any pictures of that as I put on the Ajax pearlite years ago.  And I don't even have a pic of the two together, but here is the one like yours.

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« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2017, 08:06:22 pm »

Pitchy,
  No offense meant, on the contrary,  I told you what I know of his tunings and what I "borrowed " from him. The bolt stop thing is insurance of "full engagement " of the lock notch  .  .  .  without fail.
  I was just wondering what else may be going on in there.

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« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2017, 08:48:38 pm »

Pitchy,

You really should wear your reading glasses.  The optimum "sight Picture" is to have your sights in focus and the target blurry.  Your really can't have sharp focus on your sights and on the target at the same time.  Wear your readers and your groups will improve (I hope).

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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2017, 03:48:45 am »

Yes he can, he can perfectly have both sights and target perfectly sharp and on the same focal plane without effort.

That's why I recommend Knobloch shooting glasses...they are expensive, but there are cheaper brands.






Rifle shooters also use them....for that exact reason, it allows focusing both sights and target with no effort for the eye.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GZXB3HLSUqo

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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2017, 06:31:25 am »

Thanks fellars, Mike no offence here it was just getting of the topic about the negative views of Munden which wasn`t what I was asking.
Yep he must of done something to keep things together while fanning his guns .
Another question is HH still around, I emailed him about doing a conversion on my 1860 but haven`t heard back but it is the weekend.
I see he hasn`t posted here for a while either, hope he is alright and if I missed something please forgive me.

llanerosolitario nice pistols and thanks for showing them, mine had a timing issue also, Bob fixed that also and I think our guns are about the same years.

I`ll shoot it today and wear my glasses and see what happens, it still may not group tight as I said it may not like the load they're pretty light at 6.5 gr. Unique.
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2017, 10:44:26 am »

Well fellars better but the Colt won`t be one of my guns for shootin paper, it`s my eyes that's the problem.





First shots are with glasses on the right but as ya see it better without on the left without glasses, with the glasses the dot is so blury I can`t center on it.



Last target is without glasses but the target dot is bigger so grouple got a little better.



The fun of getting old I recon,  Smiley
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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2017, 12:07:05 pm »

That's a nice shootin' range ya got there, Pitchy!  Have you tried shooting with your hands on the rest instead of the barrel on the rest?
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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2017, 12:13:11 pm »

That's a nice shootin' range ya got there, Pitchy!  Have you tried shooting with your hands on the rest instead of the barrel on the rest?

Thanks Abilene, I can shoot 175 yards from that back stop, we have 40 acres here.  Smiley
Yep I did that on the last picture and groups improved a little, its my eys pards just gotta live with it for now.
I don`t shoot that much any more anyway, no one around here shoots much or interested.
A touch of white paint on the back of the front sight may help then shoot without glasses, rain every other cloud that goes over so will shoot more this week.
Also the barrel wasn`t resting on the sand bag just the frame.
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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2017, 02:37:09 pm »

Found a box of 44`s I loaded years ago using a 250 grain bullet but I`m not sure about the charge but it was definitely  hotter than the others.
So this shows it didn`t like the lighter load as well.

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« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2017, 03:04:26 pm »

Hope you guys aren't mad at me because I bitched about talking about Munden.
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« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2017, 07:07:05 pm »


Yeah, that last group is definitely better.  Before I got into CAS I was working up loads with mostly 240gr SWC and RNFP (I don't cast), and I never got what I thought was a particularly accurate load, but "good enough for CAS" and all my shooting time now is spent at matches, no "practice" or working up loads (mostly 180gr and 200gr now for less recoil).  That's okay with me.

I don't think anyone is mad.  Some folks is just kinda opinionated  Smiley

I personally don't think a 3rd Gen Colt, especially one that is not a .45, will be particularly collectible for a long time.  Most prospective buyers will be shooters, and an action job by someone they've heard of probably won't detract from the value even if it doesn't add to it, either.
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« Reply #43 on: June 19, 2017, 11:03:24 am »

Cry Eyed Peet NO!!

Won't anyone be annoyed cause you brought up Bob Munden.  Like Abilene pointed out, some of us are some opinionated.  Nobody was
T'ing off on you personally.  And, as I tried to say a page back, I should have stuck to your original question and not hopped up on my Soap Box.  Sorry about that.

Anyway.  I have found that age is not your friend when trying to do things the way we did em 30 years ago.  Getting old ain't for sissies.  It is also really frustrating.  Having this 30 year old mind trapped in this really old and beat up body is a real nuisance.  Although I am right happy to still be here.

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« Reply #44 on: June 19, 2017, 11:12:01 am »

I explained why I said what I said, wasn`t whining about it just trying to be polite.
Going to keep trying to perfect a load for the Colt so stay tuned.  Smiley 
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« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2017, 01:25:21 pm »

Well Abilene I wouldn`t of believed it  Shocked I painted the right lense black on a old pair of reading glasses and drilled a 1/16th hole in it and I could see the sights and the target clear ass day--amazing.  Smiley
Still didn`t better my 2 inch group though.



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« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2017, 03:58:18 pm »

Cool!  Now you've taken eyes out of the equation in finding that load.
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« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2017, 04:10:32 pm »

Cool!  Now you've taken eyes out of the equation in finding that load.

Yep thanks again, have some good eyes coming over tomorrow and we are going to shoot some, also going to try some Trailboss loads.  Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: June 19, 2017, 06:48:00 pm »

ok
its time for me to weigh too, being in Montana as i am, "ol Bob Munden" is/was sorta of a icon. mention his name around here and everyone has something to say, good, bad or indifferent. can't take away the fact that as a pistolero he could out shoot most.
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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2017, 12:30:07 pm »

THREAD DRIFT ALARM ....... THREAD DRIFT ALARM ........ THREAD DRIFT ALARM

We .... Collectively .... have managed to drift Pitchy's thread clear into the next county.

I vote we all quit Munden bashing and just concentrate on helping Pitchy to get his gun shooting!!   Grin

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