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« on: June 03, 2017, 10:50:29 am »


I am going to start reloading 45lc with black powder. I will be shooting out of my conversion cylinder for my Uberti 1858 what is a good safe load to use. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2017, 11:31:17 am »

You can use FFg or FFFg and these cartridges were meant for black powder.  Find out where the base of the bullet sits in the case and fill the case to that height, plus 1/10" (or so).  Black powder likes to be compressed a bit.  I shoot 35 gr. FFFg GOEX with a 250 gr. bullet.  Your maximum loads will also be your most accurate loads, and will most likely shoot to the sights, where lesser loads will not.  Black Powder pressures are low, so there is no danger factor here, assuming your barrel will accommodate .452" .45 cal bullets.
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2017, 12:45:10 am »

+1.  The basic loading data for BP is fill the case and jam in the bullet.  HOWEVER, full charge BP loads are pretty stout and will have a lot of recoil out of a revolver.  Most people shooting BP .45 loads in CAS competition download them and use a filler to replace the BP left out of the charge.
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2017, 09:37:04 am »

Yule learn to really LOVE Cream-0-Wheat!! 

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« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2017, 08:41:36 am »

I've found that I really like .45 Schofield BP loads. 28 grains or so of BP under either a 200 grain or 250 grain bullet, depending on how stout you want. If you want to shoot the same load in a .45 Colt case then just use cream of wheat to fill the empty space.

Edit: I would also encourage the use of a lot of BP lube to reduce powder fouling. I've used a mix of bees wax and olive oil with some success. A mix of beeswax and various types of tallow (I think mutton tallow) should work just fine, as I understand it. I've just never used it myself.
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2017, 11:02:45 am »

Iffin your only loading for a conversion cylinder and want to have scoops and groups of fun ....... try Cowboy 45 Special cases.  Saves on the powder consumption and gives a nice manageable load.  Load ....... oh yea, forgot, I also load MASSIVE 160Gr RNFP or my few remaining 130Gr Barnstormers.   Grin

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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2017, 03:54:05 pm »

Or you could just deep seat the bullet down on the powder charge in the .45 Colt case
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2017, 04:21:32 pm »

Or you could just deep seat the bullet down on the powder charge in the case.
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Hi John , haven't seen you for a bit!

have you had any issues with deep seating and no crimp?
I would love to do that but am concerned the bullet may move forward with recoil.

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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2017, 06:27:35 pm »

The DD recommended load of 1.3 c/c FFFg gun powder and a 200 grain BL bullet in a .45 Special (.45 short) case is good medicine. Personally to ease the strain on my elderly wrists in my revolvers 1.3 c/c FFg and a 175 gr BL bullet makes lots of smoke and fire with a bang and clang and is fun to shoot.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2017, 06:31:00 pm »

Howdy Professor,

Well, I've been having some health issues ....comes sometimes with more mileage on the odometer.... Grin

In my experience if one is using .454" bullets in cases sized for .452 and the powder charge is 1/2 or 20 grs. The bullets have stayed put ok.

As an assurance, one can run the completed round back into the sizing die just down to the beginning of the forward driving band of the bullet......

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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2017, 06:50:36 pm »

Ah, if your playing CAS, you can't deep seat the bullet to the point it is sub Case Mouth.  ALL CAS ammunition MUST show lead.

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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2017, 06:56:29 pm »

Ahhh. Thank you for the reminder.  If  portion of the bullet is above the case mouth is that ok?
 If so, then more powder could be added to accomplish that. Wink

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2017, 04:28:29 am »

Works very well for pistol cartridges and they are easy to tell from your rifle loads as they are a different length using 45 Colt brass for both. I crimp mine and they stay put.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2017, 04:34:42 pm »

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Or .... a bit more Cream-0-Wheat.  Grin

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2017, 01:15:44 pm »

I load 200 grain lead so I can have . . .more powder and boom and smoke. 
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