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« on: May 26, 2017, 06:37:40 pm »


just picked up my Taylor's & Co. Uberti Gunfighter revolver.

the army sized grip is a big improvement over the standard size SAA grip, much more to hold on to.

I noticed something different after I got it home.

when you cock the hammer it doesn't have that first "safety click".
by this I mean it goes directly to half cock, for loading and unloading.

the other two clicks are there going to full cock to fire.

is this normal or inherent to this particular Uberti pistol?
haven't fired it yet to check for function.

thanks for any insight.

ETA: maybe I should have used notch instead of clicks in my description.

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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2017, 07:04:25 pm »

Unfortunately .... I'm a dry hole on this one.  I haven't seen a sample example of the "Gunfighter" so I have no clue.  I do know, were it mine I'd pull it apart and see if the hammer even had the "safety" notch in the hammer.  Without disassembly, if the notch is there, one should be able to "feel" some form of trigger hesitation as the notch goes by.  If it's not there at all, the trigger will show no movement and the hammer will just glide by.  

Seems ..... odd.  Should be there in a cartridge SA of Colt pattern.

Coffinmaker

PS:  I don't know where your physically located (Australia??) but I'd also suggest you give Taylors a call and ask em if it's suppose to be there.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2017, 08:36:45 pm »

coffinmaker,

when I pull back the hammer there is slight movement of the trigger where the safety notch would normally be.
the first "click" or notch I get is the one where you load the cylinders, followed by the next two which give the full cock of the hammer at the end.

the gunfighter is from the same family as the cattleman which I also have, and the cattleman has the full C. O. L. T. (4) cocking sequence.

it's a mystery to me too, and I won't be able to reach anyone at Uberti till after the holiday.

also, there seems to be more fore and aft movement of the firing pin on the gunfighter.
i'll need to shoot it to make sure that there is a good firing pin strike.

the SAA single action revolver is a whole new world to me so please bear with me.

thanks.

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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2017, 08:43:06 pm »

They may have cut the notch too shallow. I have a model p that is barely perceptible but there. If your curious just take it a part and find out. Good luck
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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2017, 11:39:10 pm »

I suspect you have an example of the new Uberti "safety hammer".  All of their guns will have that.  It has the retractable firing pin.  I didn't realize it would eliminate the safety notch, but that is possible.  You should call Taylor's and ask, or someone else familiar with the new system might chime in.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2017, 06:57:51 am »

I was going to say that the new Cattlemans have a new "floating" firing pin, that allows you to load all 6 cylinders... not sure if that extends to the other lines. Take a look at the hammer, and see if it is one piece or not.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2017, 09:17:19 am »

Yay we can load all six chambers now! Remember change is always better than tradition. I totally wish they's add some urban camo rubber grips bros!
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2017, 10:04:51 am »

hmmm...

the hammer is indeed one solid piece, no holes or cuts anywhere.

the firing pin has about 1/8" travel fore and aft.
you can hold the gun with the barrel pointing down, shake it and see the firing pin move in and out from the recoil shield.
by this I mean the pin will disappear while holding the gun up in the opposite direction.
all this is with the hammer in the full down position.

confused? me some too.

I can see where this may be a simple type of safety feature.
also, this pistol doesn't have the cylinder base pin safety like my cattleman.

I know the pistol was test fired at the factory so it must have passed muster.

i'm sure a phone call will reveal everything, just have to wait.
I will shoot it today to see what the primer strike on the fired cartridge looks like.


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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2017, 02:06:33 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkvisKzxvQ

Yep, people with the new hammer say 3 clicks only.  As I said, this will be on all Ubertis.  Cattleman.  Model P.  Smokewagon.  Evil Roy. etc.  Uberti says the importers must take it this way or they will not pay the liability insurance any more.

There is an animated cutaway view of the hammer showing how it works on the web somewhere, but I can't find it right now.
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2017, 03:19:44 pm »

just got in from shooting the gun.

cycled fine, just like it should.

primer strikes were clean and normal on the brass.

gonna miss all four clicks though... Cry
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2017, 05:43:45 pm »

just got in from shooting the gun.

cycled fine, just like it should.

primer strikes were clean and normal on the brass.

gonna miss all four clicks though... Cry
I'll trade you my pre safety Cattleman .357, and you can click your heart out  Grin
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« Reply #11 on: May 27, 2017, 09:50:13 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkvisKzxvQ

Yep, people with the new hammer say 3 clicks only.  As I said, this will be on all Ubertis.  Cattleman.  Model P.  Smokewagon.  Evil Roy. etc.  Uberti says the importers must take it this way or they will not pay the liability insurance any more.

There is an animated cutaway view of the hammer showing how it works on the web somewhere, but I can't find it right now.

Well Uberti sold me the last one then. If Cimarron can't get the model P the old way I'm out.
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« Reply #12 on: May 27, 2017, 10:10:58 pm »

Came across this youtube video of the new hammer system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow
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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2017, 02:43:10 pm »

If you're going to veer away from traditional then why would you not buy a Ruger? Especially when the MSRP isn't all that much more, then you have a gun tough as a tank and a customer service that is beyond what any importer is. Not that you would likely need the customer service with a Ruger.
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2017, 06:23:12 am »

Quote from: Abilene on May 27, 2017, 03:06:33 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJkvisKzxvQ

Yep, people with the new hammer say 3 clicks only.  As I said, this will be on all Ubertis.  Cattleman.  Model P.  Smokewagon.  Evil Roy. etc.  Uberti says the importers must take it this way or they will not pay the liability insurance any more.

There is an animated cutaway view of the hammer showing how it works on the web somewhere, but I can't find it right now.


Well Uberti sold me the last one then. If Cimarron can't get the model P the old way I'm out.

I'm afraid, I go along with Cliff

I just bought a 2017  [date code] Cattleman in 32/20  it has the "old way" hammer,   I would have passed otherwise.

Coffin Maker tuned it  Cheesy BTW



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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2017, 07:51:03 am »

What about the Pietta's?  Or is this just an Uberti change?

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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2017, 08:35:42 am »

Uberti's design ....Pietta my have to follow suit....no pub intended  Undecided
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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2017, 12:03:23 pm »

I had specifically asked a while back if the Cimarron model P was going to change and was told that it would still be available the old way. I intend to ask again.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2017, 03:28:22 pm »

Here it is.  So.   PAY ATTENTION:

There is now a really good reason to give up all those silly Suppository Shooters and switch to Cap Guns.  No flaky retracting firing pins to concern ones self about.  Real Powder, Caps, everything you need.  Simple.  So get busy dumping those fancy fad Suppository Thingies and get yourselves some "REAL" guns.

Cap Guns-R-Us.  Snubbies-fer-Ever.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2017, 07:08:08 pm »

o.k., I checked in with Taylor's & Co. and was told that my .45 Colt Gunfighter revolver does indeed have the floating firing pin.

there's an internal hand with a spring that locks the firing pin inside the hammer just before the pin strikes the primer.

after the trigger is released the pin returns to the free floating condition.

this apparently negates the first traditional "safety" notch or click.

with this new set up the first place the hammer rests is at the loading / unloading position.

hope this makes sense.

also they told me Uberti no longer ships with the lock and safety cable. I asked because this pistol came without one.

my Cattleman did come with a branded Uberti lock.

go figure...
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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2017, 12:03:49 am »

Interesting.  Ubertis received by Cimarron have never had locks.  Cimarron adds locks to some guns depending on customer or state requirements.  Sometimes certain distributors or dealer buying groups want the locks so they can ship the gun to any state without worrying whether they need the lock or not.
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« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2017, 06:08:03 pm »

Interesting.  Ubertis received by Cimarron have never had locks.  Cimarron adds locks to some guns depending on customer or state requirements.  Sometimes certain distributors or dealer buying groups want the locks so they can ship the gun to any state without worrying whether they need the lock or not.

One of the things I like about the Model P. It's hammer is like it's supposed to be. I hope that doesn't change.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2017, 12:41:39 am »

Here is another video that shows how it works. It looks like you might be able to replace the hammer and trigger and have it back the old way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2017, 07:26:19 am »

One of the things I like about the Model P. It's hammer is like it's supposed to be. I hope that doesn't change.

Yes Sir I agree

I had two Ruger Old Model Vaquero's with the transfer bar, nice guns but I'm not a fan of the transfer bar.
Uberti , made the ( now discontinued ) Beretta Stampede with a Ruger like transfer bar.
 I never considered a Beretta Stampede because of the transfer bar, it just does not appeal to me.
 They more than likely paid royalties to Ruger.

I had watch  & watched again the videos, when Uberti introduced this new safety hammer. I give Uberti A for the effort, It is a nice piece of design work.

It is pretty cool, while looking like the older FP design hammer,  the design takes the manual conscience setting of the Base pin back one notch,  and/or load one, skip one, load five to very clever level.

   Way better design, than the Ruger frame mounted FP and assorted parts of the Transfer bar system....

That said, I'll like the old Hammer.... given the choice I'd choose the old school ....

 for me.... I'm fine with load 1 , skip 1,  load 4  Smiley

For some folks I say,  "Kudo's to Uberti/ Beretta for investing in the new safety hammer design. "




 
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2017, 01:09:47 pm »

I do give it to them for designing something that keeps the clean hammer and looking like it's supposed to. In one way it's better since the main pin won't be sticking out longer in the front.

It is much better than having that old ugly hammer block contraption on the hammer.

My only thing is how dependable is this going to be, particularly in a gun that runs nothing but black powder. I'd bet it'll require a complete tear down to clean inside that hammer more often and even then I'm just not sure I trust it to work.

My guess is if it gums up and sticks it's as apt to stick in the "fire" position as not..... so it's possible it's even more of a hazard. People start thinking it's safe to load them with all six and then that little plunger gets gummed up and sticks in the hammer leaving the firing pin forward and someone gets injured or killed.

I haven't had one apart and looked myself I've just looked at the videos and the diagram of how it works and it seems to me it can stick so the hammer and firing pin is just like a fixed firing pin on a traditional SAA.
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