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« on: May 14, 2017, 10:36:54 am »


There's an antique shop near me that has a lot of great stuff, and I enjoy going in and poking around because I always seem to find something new. I'll often scout out items I'm interested in, then leave and do research and decide whether to go back and get it. Apparently this is pretty common, because I noticed something sneaky: The owners have cameras placed throughout the store, and apparently they watch people to see if they pay extra attention to an item. Then when the person leaves, they'll go raise the price on the item!

Here's an example: they have one of those extra large campfire coffee pots in the coveted graniteware gray finish. It's in very good condition (looks pretty much unused). When I first looked at it, they wanted $68. A bit steep, even around these parts. However yesterday I took another look, and the price had mysteriously risen to $75. I've seen this same thing happen with a number of items now.

Has anyone else run across this tactic?
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2017, 11:21:30 am »

Sounds like this tactic might backfire, if it hasn't sold at the lower price why would it sell at a higher price? Even to an interested party. I would bide my time and let it sit there unsold for a few months and then make an offer. But watch out, I was at a flea market years ago looking at a vendors nice collection of hunting and shooting books. I made him a offer on 3 and he went nuts, he grabbed one of the books and ripped it down the spine saying that he hated it when people made him offers lower than the price he had marked and that he would rip up the others if I didn't buy them? Needless to say I walked away. It's a darn flea market, you are supposed to dicker over a price.
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2017, 12:40:12 pm »

There's an old adage in the antique business: "The time to buy an antique is when you see it."

Don't know how many times I agonized over an item I found and dawdled. Going back a day or two later to buy it and it's gotten away from me.
A veteran Oriental jade dealer once revealed that he liked to pull items out of a case to show people, but paid attention to their eyes. One of the tells our body unconsciously gives is the pupils dilate when you're looking at something you really like.

The trick is to go around a shop and handle a lot of things, not showing too much interest in anything.




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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2017, 03:48:22 pm »

There's an old adage in the antique business: "The time to buy an antique is when you see it."

Don't know how many times I agonized over an item I found and dawdled. Going back a day or two later to buy it and it's gotten away from me.
A veteran Oriental jade dealer once revealed that he liked to pull items out of a case to show people, but paid attention to their eyes. One of the tells our body unconsciously gives is the pupils dilate when you're looking at something you really like.

The trick is to go around a shop and handle a lot of things, not showing too much interest in anything.


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So, you're basically saying that you need to be a good poker player to buy antiques.  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2017, 04:15:27 pm »

There's an antique shop near me that has a lot of great stuff, and I enjoy going in and poking around because I always seem to find something new. I'll often scout out items I'm interested in, then leave and do research and decide whether to go back and get it. Apparently this is pretty common, because I noticed something sneaky: The owners have cameras placed throughout the store, and apparently they watch people to see if they pay extra attention to an item. Then when the person leaves, they'll go raise the price on the item!

Here's an example: they have one of those extra large campfire coffee pots in the coveted graniteware gray finish. It's in very good condition (looks pretty much unused). When I first looked at it, they wanted $68. A bit steep, even around these parts. However yesterday I took another look, and the price had mysteriously risen to $75. I've seen this same thing happen with a number of items now.

Has anyone else run across this tactic?

 I always go to eBay to check prices. Assuming this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Gray-Graniteware-Enamelware-Coffee-Pot-With-Hinged-Lid-/262969328029?hash=item3d3a31819d:g:uO0AAOSwaEhZDSDI is like the one you saw, its sounds like a heck of a buy,

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2017, 06:25:47 pm »

I also like to do research on some things, if I'm either unsure about  the item or the price. There have been many times I've thought about an item, only to find I waited too long and lost out. That's the way the cookie crumbles though. As far as dealers being sneaky, aside from trying to sell empty Jaegermeister bottles for $10, I have never had an issue. I'm in a really small area, and they know me, know I usually know what I'm looking at, and know what it's worth. They will also put things aside, if I really want it. They do this, because I've always been fair with them, paid what they asked- as long as it was in line with reality. Those that are way high, I try to haggle down. If they work with me, I buy a lot from them. They act like their stuff is worth a lot more, I just don't go back.

An amusing story for you- I went to an antiques and gift shop, they were having a big clearance sale. Everything was half off. Going through this big Victorian house turned shop, they had lots of flowery stuff, pillows... basically girly decorative garbage. BUT, outside was this nice cast iron bird bath. Not actually antique, but it was made in that Victorian style. I asked the lady how much she wanted for it. She stammered, and says it wasn't really for sale. I countered with the sign says everything goes, how much? She then says, well... I think I paid $40 for it. I counter with the sign also says everything is half off. Here's $20.

It is sitting out in the front garden Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2017, 07:14:11 pm »

I always go to eBay to check prices. Assuming this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Gray-Graniteware-Enamelware-Coffee-Pot-With-Hinged-Lid-/262969328029?hash=item3d3a31819d:g:uO0AAOSwaEhZDSDI is like the one you saw, its sounds like a heck of a buy,

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More like this, and when you add in shipping cost it wasn't too far out of line: https://www.ebay.com/itm/292107698863

I live just outside Boulder, Colorado,which is one of the more expensive areas of the country (lots of tech here). Average home price is something on the order of $350,000, and when I say average I mean average. A nice house will be at least twice that. Prices on everything are stupid high. A decent burger is generally around $14. The average price of those ugly stoneware jugs at a flea market is about $25 (I was excited when I found one for $12, turns out it was used to store gasoline!). Still, there are good deals to be found, it just requires a lot of scouring and research. As you noted, eBay's sold listings are always a good starting point, but you have to remember to include shipping, and there's always the possibility the item may not hold up to scrutiny. All that being said, scouring antique shops is actually my favorite thing to do.

As for the pupil dilation theory, we've got legal pot here so that won't work for everyone! Wink
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2017, 07:36:07 pm »


As for the pupil dilation theory, we've got legal pot here so that won't work for everyone! Wink
Yeah... going antique shopping while stoned probably isn't the best idea. If they can tell you are under the influence, they will feel free to double the price, as long as they throw in a Twinkie. And you might just go for it! ROFL!
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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2017, 09:07:43 pm »

Just to be clear, I don't imbibe. Not that I care one way or the other—people should be able to do whatever they want to their own bodies in their own homes—it just ain't for me.
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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2017, 07:23:27 am »

Just because you find a item at a flea market doesn't mean the price is negotiable... same with listing guns on sites like this.(they know who they are)  It is a flea market the price is already low.  Try negoiating at the grocery store.. i'd doubled the price. Or told you the item was no longer for sale. Flea marketing is a business.
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2017, 08:18:16 am »

I went to a large gun show in 1978.  Within a few minutes I found a S&W 1st model Russian in about 98% condition.  I decided to look at the rest of the show first, but within a couple of minutes went back... in time to see someone else buy the gun.

I've been kicking myself over that one for nearly forty years.
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« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2017, 09:41:25 am »

There's an antique shop near me that has a lot of great stuff, and I enjoy going in and poking around because I always seem to find something new.

Kind of a oxymoron , isn't it ?  Grin


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