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« on: April 16, 2017, 05:35:19 pm »


How about sharing your favorite loads for your 1886?
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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2017, 06:58:06 pm »

62 grs FFg/Lyman 457125 520 RN

36 grs Varget/Lyman 457193/420 gr RNFP

36 grs Varget/RCBS 350 gr RNFP

28 grs 5744 with either bullet.
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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2017, 07:40:39 pm »

I started back in '68 with 58 grains of 3031 and  have never changed.  That is under a Hornady 300 grain flat nose hollow point. Flat does the job and has for all these years.  No need to change.
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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 07:33:02 am »

52g of OE 1.5 o2f, BACO .379, 260g bullet cast with 20-1 lead tin alloy. Runs a little under 1500 fps. 2 1/4" groups at 200yds with a peep site shooting from a rest.
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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 08:29:20 am »

Forgot to mention that my '86 is an original rifle. As one gun nut said when he saw it said that it is a "Hunters" rifle.
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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 10:19:28 am »

It would be nice to see pic's of your rifles, Larryo1
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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 03:18:46 pm »

It depends on the application - hunting or steel. Lighter bullets under 400 grs tend to a lot less punishing to the shooter. These are the so called "Express" loads once available in 45-70 and 45-90.

I tried Paul Matthews loads in my first 45-70s and decided that I didn't enjoy getting the snot kicked out of me.

Moose are not that hard to kill as I found out with my 36 Varget/420 457193 load. Two shots, two dead moose. One literally dropping in it's tracks, t'other staggering fifty yards.

I use all the loads I mentioned above to hit steel out to 200m, and not from the bench; off hand and field positions. In the era, "hunting rifles" were generally not bench rested. That was the domain of the heavy "slug guns", generally muzzle loaders.
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« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 05:18:10 pm »

I am interested in this posting also but it would be more useful if the reply would list the caliber that the load is being applied too.  Not all 1886's were 45/70's.

Original Winchester 1886 calibers were 33wcf; 38/56; 38/70; 40/65; 40/70; 40/82; 45/70; 45/90 & 50/110.
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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2017, 06:34:11 pm »

True, an assumption on our part, although the bullet weights mentioned ought to have been a clue for you. Most 86's we see at CAS events are in 45-70, as are the Browing/Pedersoli/Chiappa  repros.
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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2017, 06:53:15 pm »

PJ,

That is why I made the statement -- 'Not all 1886's were 45/70's'.  It appeared as if the postings were for 45/70 but if everyone left out the caliber they are posting about, think about the possibilities for 'issues'.

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PS:  My point is 45/70 was a 405 gr..  PJ lists a 520 and 350 is the 350 maybe a 40/70 330 gr original.  Larryo1 lists a 300 gr does that represent the 45/90 original 300 gr.  Wildman1 is the only one providing enough detail, by listing a 260 gr but he also added the diameter of 0.379 for a possible 38/56 or 38/70 near original 255 gr. but also lists 52 gr of powder used which would most likely be the 38/56 and states it is for an original.

Please just list the caliber.
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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2017, 08:03:32 pm »

When you "assume", you make an ass out of "u" and an ass out of "me".
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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 09:21:46 pm »

I have developed a couple of smokeless loads that I use in my Miroku 1886 (45-70).  Some of them were on the upper end of energy, most of which was transferred to my shoulder.  I since backed them off to approximate BP velocities.  Part of the reasoning is so that I can use them in either the '86 or my Pedersoli Sharps.  The velocity readings below were taken with the Sharps, which has a 32" barrel.  These should be well within pressure limits for a modern '86, but why should you trust me?  You don't even know who I am.  I may also be a bad typist and I might have typed loads that are downright dangerous.  For those reasons, PLEASE double-check everything here before you trust your rifle and your life to what I've written.

The loads below use a Lyman 457193 bullet (415 grains), Winchester brass and CCI 200 LRP.

35 grains Alliant Reloder 7.  1366 fps
35 grains IMR 4198.  1427 fps.

I have had decent accuracy with these loads, but my main target usually ends up being tin cans.  The 45-70 may be a bit of overkill, but it sure is fun!

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 06:52:15 am »

BRS you are correct it is a 38/56. The BACO mold is actually .380 but with the soft alloy casts at about.3795 and no I do not size them as the bore is a couple thou larger than that.  As far as shooting it from the bench when developing loads I was interested in how accurate the rifle was not in how steady or unsteady I could be shooting from field positions or standing upright.
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« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2017, 08:15:47 am »

King:
I have never been able to  get PhotoShop for me worth a damn so slip me you e-address and I got a photo of all the  '86's I got.  My e-mail is revengngn6 @yahoo.com.  One of them is a late '86 TakeDown in .33
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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2017, 02:28:35 pm »

That I why I said it depends upon the application. The OP did not specify what calibre '86 he wanted load recommendations for.
Most could tell from the bullet weights suggested that we were referring to 45-70.

[quote author=Black River Smith link=topic=59128.msg705440#msg705440 date=1492473195My point is 45/70 was a 405 gr..  PJ lists a 520 and 350 is the 350 maybe a 40/70 330 gr original.  Larryo1 lists a 300 gr does that represent the 45/90 original 300 gr.  Wildman1 is the only one providing enough detail, by listing a 260 gr but he also added the diameter of 0.379 for a possible 38/56 or 38/70 near original 255 gr. but also lists 52 gr of powder used which would most likely be the 38/56 and states it is for an original.
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 10:14:11 pm »

Mine is a Browning 1886 SRC, in 45-70. I didn't ask for loads specifically for myself, just for general use for all of us to share and use.  Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 10:41:39 pm »

My loads are very effective at killing tin cans.  I've had them jump high in the air, but I've never had them run more than a few yards after being shot.

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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 11:33:06 pm »

I have made cans run. With my STEN!
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2017, 10:41:01 am »

What might be considered a good "general use" load in a rifle length 45-70 '86 might be a tad much in a 45-70 SRC.

After a BPCR practice, one of our mob produced his Browning '86 SRC and was handed some 520 gr silhouette loads. He gamely single loaded them, firing five in succession.
He then put his head down on the bench and was silent. Finally, he was asked - "Hey, buddy, you alright?" He replied - "Yes, I'm just trying really hard not to cry."

In conversation with another SRC owner, he told me that he shot an elk with it and it was a one shot kill at an alleged 185 yds. But - practicing with it before the hunt developed a flinch that affected his BPCR shooting.




Mine is a Browning 1886 SRC, in 45-70. I didn't ask for loads specifically for myself, just for general use for all of us to share and use.  Smiley
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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2017, 03:55:42 pm »

I had a load like that some years ago, I don't remember what it was, but within the 86 range, not Ruger only range. Anyway, I shot 3 of them and disassembled the rest. I like my rifle and shoulder too much for loads that knock me back that much. I shoot for fun, not pain.  Grin
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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2017, 05:23:45 am »

I thought I was on to a good post here as I am looking for a good load for my 1886 in 50/110, but there seems to be very little in the way of loads for this small cartridge, I cant even find dies for it, are there any other 50 caliber dies that can be used ? With care of course, and what is the best bullet weight for the very slow twist rate, all my moulds are for 650/750 gr bullets, (for other rifles), so I need a good 350gr flat nose mould for this 50/110 caliber cartridge ? Any constructive advice would be gratefully accepted .
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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2017, 05:26:01 pm »

I have a book called "The Winchester Lever Legacy" by Clyde "Snooky" Williamson Published in 1988. It has loads for almost all 86, 92 and 94 cartridges. Mr Williamson was a friend of George Madis. He had access to lots of rifles. He loved to experiment. He also seems to have had almost unlimited time. He must have had a very understanding wife too. He gives smokeless loads together with velocity and photos of the targets. Some of his loads seem pretty hot. Lots of detail on each cartridge. I don't remember when or where I got the book. If someone has a specific request I can look it up with the disclaimer that it is not my data.
My own load for my 86 in 45-70 is simple. 330 grain Gould cast 20 to 1 with 72 grains of 2f. I shot some smokeless loads long ago but settled on that load.
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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2017, 10:06:02 pm »

I have that book also, great read, funny guy. He could have made a career out of writing. Seems he also had unlimited amount of deer to shoot at also.
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