Javascript DHTML Drop Down Menu Powered by dhtml-menu-builder.com
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
January 20, 2018, 03:41:20 am

Login with username, password and session length

Search:     Advanced search
* Home FlashChat Help Calendar Login Register
Currently there are 0 Users in the Cas City Chat Rooms!
Cas City Forum Hall & CAS-L  |  Special Interests - Groups & Societies  |  STORM (Moderators: RRio, Major 2)  |  Topic: which caliber for open top 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] Go Down Print
Author Topic: which caliber for open top  (Read 5235 times)
Coffinmaker
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 4351


« Reply #25 on: February 28, 2017, 09:45:59 pm »

Malamute,
I certainly understand your concerns.  However.  Your not going to find an "Idiot Proof" Open Top.  When Abilene mentions the "early" Open Tops being chambered in 44 Russian, we are talking about around 15 years ago.  Your chances are better at winning the lottery.  For the most part, the more current build of .44 Open Top, regardless of markings, are chambered for 44 Special.  It's a cost effectiveness thing.  A single set of chambering cutters and finish reamers.  One size fits all.  Although in the past, there have also been some Open Tops marked 44 Colt that would not accept 44 Special cartridges. 

If your primary concern is someone, in the future "may" stuff a 44 Special case, loaded to 44 Mag performance in your old Open Top, then I would suggest you pass on the acquisition of an Open Top.  Similarly, your 45 ammunition is only safe in an Original Ruger.  Understanding, once your unavailable to shout "don't do that" someone may well stuff one or more of your 45 cartridges in a Colt or a Reproduction there of, and blow it to smithereens.

Navy 45, we're a lighthouse, Your Call  (Navy 45 demanded the approaching lights "change course" while refusing to change theirs.

Coffinmaker
Logged
Malamute
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 19



« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2017, 09:31:21 pm »

 Valid points.

  I cant save the world, though would like it if I could keep my little corner of it as carefree and simple as possible, as regards having potential mishaps with my guns. (Id like a trapdoor, but choose not to have one unless its a 50-70 because I load bear class loads in the 45-70 1886, so...no 45-70 trapdoor is my choice) The discussion has given me much more information to go on, I understand the odds of finding a 44 Russian only capable gun to be pretty low. If I stumble across a gun that's 44 Russian, I'll understand how unusual it is and endeavor to act accordingly. We cant control everything that happens after were gone, Ive seen several instances of people having a gun and knowing very little about it after inheriting it or getting it from someone that did. Id just hope that fairly well informed folks end up with my stuff, but it doesn't always work out that way unfortunately.
Logged
Major 2
"Still running against the wind"
Deputy Marshal
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 10411


Cracker Cow Cavalry


« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2017, 07:29:21 am »

Best steer clear of a 38 then as well, those +P critical defense might keep you in worry mode....

"We cant control everything that happens after were gone, Ive seen several instances of people having a gun and knowing very little about it after inheriting it or getting it from someone that did. Id just hope that fairly well informed folks end up with my stuff, but it doesn't always work out that way unfortunately"

Perhaps, Paint Ball ...but avoid the permanent ink models , less we color someone's future indelibly  Grin

Logged
Jake C
Department of the Atlantic, GAF # 834
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 486


« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2017, 08:49:52 am »

If you're that concerned about it, just gut a non-firing replica for future generations to look at and handle. Just my 2 cents (probably worth less than that).
Logged

Win with ability, not with numbers.- Alexander Suvorov, Russian Field Marshal, 1729-1800
Sir Charles deMouton-Black
THE ANCIENT SUBSTANCE ENDURES - ALL LESSER PROPELLANTS SHALL FIZZLE
NCOWS
Top Active Citizen
***
Offline Offline

Posts: 5838



« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2017, 10:44:08 am »

Best steer clear of a 38 then as well, those +P critical defense might keep you in worry mode....

"We cant control everything that happens after were gone, Ive seen several instances of people having a gun and knowing very little about it after inheriting it or getting it from someone that did. Id just hope that fairly well informed folks end up with my stuff, but it doesn't always work out that way unfortunately"

Perhaps, Paint Ball ...but avoid the permanent ink models , less we color someone's future indelibly  Grin

Haha! Leave an indelible impression! Cheesy
Logged

NCOWS #1154, SCORRS, STORM, BROW, 1860 Henry, Dirty Rat 502, CHINOOK COUNTRY
THE SUBLYME & HOLY ORDER OF THE SOOT (SHOTS)
Those who are no longer ignorant of History may relive it,
without the Blood, Sweat, and Tears.
With apologies to George Santayana & W. S. Churchill

"As Mark Twain once put it, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it does rhyme.”
Malamute
Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 19



« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2017, 02:35:30 pm »

Best steer clear of a 38 then as well, those +P critical defense might keep you in worry mode....

"We cant control everything that happens after were gone, Ive seen several instances of people having a gun and knowing very little about it after inheriting it or getting it from someone that did. Id just hope that fairly well informed folks end up with my stuff, but it doesn't always work out that way unfortunately"

Perhaps, Paint Ball ...but avoid the permanent ink models , less we color someone's future indelibly  Grin



 The 38 +p would probably not be that much of an issue, though a 38 isn't really what I was looking for in any event. Id be a bit concerned with the 17 gr/2400 250 gr Lyman 44 spl loads in an open top though. It was considered "normal" in manuals for a while (up through the 50s anyway), when Colt SAAs and Smith large frame 44 spls were all that were commonly encountered in the chambering.

 I'll have to consider the paintball and replica guns. No doubt theyd be safer. I agree, the permanent ink would be dangerous. Cheesy
Logged
Crow Choker
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 708


River Banker Extraordinaire


« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2017, 09:54:30 pm »

Guess if everybody sat around and worried what heirs or whoever gained any of our earthly possessions would do with them, well life would be just one 'worry wart'.
Logged

Darksider-1911 Shooter-BOLD Chambers-RATS-SCORRS-STORM-1860 Henry(1866)-Colt Handgun Lover an' Fan-NRA-"RiverRat"-Conservative American Patriot and Former Keeper & Enforcer of the Law an' Proud of Being Both! >oo
Tuolumne Lawman
CAS-L Ghost Rider
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1839


Grass Valley, CA in the Sierra Nevada Mountains


« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2017, 11:21:39 pm »

I vote .45 Colt or Schofield.  I have an 1860 Henry in .45 Colt, and I just ordered another 1872 Open Top in .45 Colt.  I duplicate the .44 Henry flat round with a 200 grain bullet in a Schofield case, loaded with either 27 grains volume BP/Sub or 5 grains Trail Boss.  1872 Open Tops were designed to be a companion revolver for the 1860 Henry and 1866 Winchesters.
Logged

TUOLUMNE LAWMAN
CO. F, 12th Illinois Cavalry  SASS # 6127 Life * Spencer Shooting Society #43 * Motherlode Shootist Society #1 * River City Regulators
Shenandoah
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 157


« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2017, 10:31:43 am »

I have a 44 Colt/44 Russian marked Cimarron OT. It is the Navy grip model. I have no idea if it will accept 44 Spl rounds, I may try it tonight to see.

I shoot 44 Russian rounds for it and it is a lot of fun to shoot.

My vote is for the 44.   
Logged
Tuolumne Lawman
CAS-L Ghost Rider
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1839


Grass Valley, CA in the Sierra Nevada Mountains


« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2017, 06:23:25 pm »

Richards and Richards-Mason 1860s should be in .44 Colt/44 Special. 1872 open tops should be in what ever caliber your 1860 Henry 0r 1866 Winchester is in:  38, 44-40. or 45 Colt/Schofield.  I have a henry in .45. so I laod a 200 grain bullet at about 1150 FPS from it in a .45 Schofield case.  My 1872s are .45 Colt/Schofield.
Logged

TUOLUMNE LAWMAN
CO. F, 12th Illinois Cavalry  SASS # 6127 Life * Spencer Shooting Society #43 * Motherlode Shootist Society #1 * River City Regulators
Rebel Dave
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 129


« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2017, 09:46:38 pm »

My 1872 Open top with 5 1/2 in bbl.,  will  chamber .44 Russian, 44 colt , and empty .44 spec cases (i havn't loaded any special carts yet).
Their is a lot of space still in the cylinder with the empties

Its only calibre mark is .44 cal.,  on the left side of frame under the cylinder. I think it was made in 2008. Its hard to tell cause only half of the letters are visible. I havn't shot it a lot yet.  I'm waiting for the weather to come around to more be  likeable.

Rebel Dave 
Logged
Shenandoah
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 157


« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2017, 05:34:08 pm »

I was incorrect on my open top markings. Although I have shot only 44 Russian cartridges, it is marked 44 Special.

Gotta learn to read the small print.
Logged
CraigC
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 384


WWW
« Reply #37 on: April 02, 2017, 03:47:13 pm »

Definitely .44Colt for me!

My Open Top has a .44Colt chamber. My Richards Type II has a .44Special chamber. Both are marked ".44 Colt".

Logged

Graveyard Jack SASS #81,827
griffith
Active citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 25


« Reply #38 on: April 02, 2017, 10:14:49 pm »

     Well, I got my open top navy a few days ago. I wanted to get .44 caliber but Cimarron said they wouldn't have any until the end of the year so I got a .38. It's a beautiful pistol and has a really nice trigger.

     I have a Frank James rig on the way from David Carrico.

     I'm looking forward to trying both of them out.
Logged
Coal Creek Griff
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1275



« Reply #39 on: April 02, 2017, 10:35:32 pm »

You'll enjoy it!  That's a great choice of leather too.

CC Griff
Logged

BOLD #921
BOSS #196
1860 Henry Rifle Shooter #173
SSS #573
CraigC
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 384


WWW
« Reply #40 on: April 02, 2017, 11:52:22 pm »

You know, if you really wanted a .44, you could have easily found one. Cimarron is not the only outlet. There is also Taylor's, Dixie Gun Works and Gunbroker. They show up in stock at DGW.

http://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=701_709_710&products_id=14501
Logged

Graveyard Jack SASS #81,827
griffith
Active citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 25


« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2017, 02:48:05 pm »

     I only wanted a Cimarron. A 44 would have been my first choice, but I'm happy with the 38.
Logged
Coffinmaker
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 4351


« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2017, 10:19:56 am »

Griffith,

After you get your Open Top set up, consider this.  You have THE most VERSATILE single action on the planet.  First peruse Pettifoggers tutorial over on "The Open Range" paying particular attention to correcting the Barrel to Arbor fit.  Then if you desire, at a later date, and after saving up your box tops, you can purchase Barrels and Cylinders for all the calibers the Open Top is offered.  .45 (I don't recommend the 45) and .44.  Once the Barrel to Arbor fit has been corrected, additions will install with only minor fitting.

Coffinmaker
Logged
Rooster Ron Wayne
Rooster
Top Active Citizen
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 104


Lube your Balls & Cap your Nipples ~ Just Sayin !


« Reply #43 on: November 27, 2017, 09:22:38 pm »

I have a pair of 44special 1872 Open Tops
I found a full load of 3fff APP with a 200 gr Lee bullet is a handful to shoot .

I soon switched to 44 Russian's and like it much more .
Also probably a lot closer to 44 Rimfire anyway.

Rooster
Logged

Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom."
Pages: 1 [2] Go Up Print 
Cas City Forum Hall & CAS-L  |  Special Interests - Groups & Societies  |  STORM (Moderators: RRio, Major 2)  |  Topic: which caliber for open top « previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.071 seconds with 22 queries.