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« on: January 14, 2017, 09:44:04 pm »


Who carries what as a licenced CCW permit holder?

We don't have CCW laws here in Canuckistan, but if  we did, I know what I'd be packing - either my S&W M66 2-1/2" snubby or it's M19 brother in blue.

I started shooting IDPA (a game predicated on US CCW laws) with my 1911s, but to keep a newbie revolver friend company, I started using my M66 4". Then the M66 snubby came along and I discovered the ideal IDPA gun for me.

The M19 snubby caught my eye at a price I couldn't refuse so .... well, you know how it goes. It has had an action job done by someone who knew his craft. Silky smooth DA to the point where you don't even think about SA.

Shooting against the 9mm "spray & pray" crowd is a ball. Yes, they have faster times, but I rarely hit less than "0" down on my targets. Reloads are another matter, but no COF can exceed 18 rds, making them 'revolver friendly'. Our laws restrict semi-autos to 10 rd mags, so there is no real advantage. If you've ever fumbled a mag change, you know what I mean.
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2017, 11:48:20 pm »

If we had CCW in Canada I would be carrying my S&W 686 4"bbl .357 mag.  I prefer a wheel gun over semi autos.  I remember carrying the Browning 9mm in a closed holster in the Air Force.  After you fumbled it out of the holster, you had to take the safety off then rack it. After I was CFR'd I was issued a Colt Cobra in .38 spl.  it was open holster and a lot quicker to get into firing position but, I rarely carried it.

Just as a humorus aside, when I was a young buck Air Force Policeman working midnight shift, it was on a nuclear base and during the winter we carried our 9mm pistol in our parka pocket.  I found the Officer's Mess unlocked.  Doing the internal check I saw a bowl of fruit and I took a banana and put it in my parka pocket (I was on ration strength so it was legal) with the 9mm and then forgot about it.  After a night of in and out of the vehicle, and at the end of the shift when I took my pistol out of the pocket it was jammed full of banana.  Bandana up the barrel, banana in the internals.....well, you kind of get the picture. 

Ah!  The good old days.... gone forever.
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2017, 07:04:35 am »

Vintage (pre lock) nickel model 36 Chief’s Special is my favored choice every day.
1 round disadvantage I know, but I prefer the less printability profile in casual Florida climate clothing.
Revolver reliability is another reason, I have considered a Model 60 , and may get one just for the Stainless, but so far the nickel has served well & faithful.

On rare occasion, like in the State management areas ( My Wife works for the State Wildlife Management )
my go to is a 1911 , but the little 36 is in my pocket as well.


 

 



 
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2017, 09:14:36 am »

Just beginning with carrying-since Jan 1st we have so called "Constitutional Carry" in Mo, no permits needed. There's usually a Ruger LCP in my coat pocket. Haven't worked out yet what I will do when it gets warmer.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2017, 11:51:43 am »

Vintage (pre lock) nickel model 36 Chief’s Special is my favored choice every day.
1 round disadvantage I know, but I prefer the less printability profile in casual Florida climate clothing.
Revolver reliability is another reason, I have considered a Model 60 , and may get one just for the Stainless, but so far the nickel has served well & faithful.

On rare occasion, like in the State management areas ( My Wife works for the State Wildlife Management )
my go to is a 1911 , but the little 36 is in my pocket as well.

Canadian female Military Police were issued the S&W Chiefs Special 5 shot in .38 in 1974 and were still using them when I retired in '87.


 

 



 
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2017, 12:04:47 pm »

If we had CCW in Canada I would be carrying my S&W 686 4"bbl .357 mag.  I prefer a wheel gun over semi autos.  I remember carrying the Browning 9mm in a closed holster in the Air Force.  After you fumbled it out of the holster, you had to take the safety off then rack it. After I was CFR'd I was issued a Colt Cobra in .38 spl.  it was open holster and a lot quicker to get into firing position but, I rarely carried it.

I didn't think that the safety could be applied on an uncocked Inglis Hi-Power.

I've got a nice little S&W M60 with a "banana grip" that I really like, but I don't shoot it and can't use it in IDPA as you need a 6 rd capacity. It would be an ideal CCW. There is enough of a handicap in the game without being down one round. I'm considering trading it off on a M63 in .22LR.

I shot a three rd group with the M60 at 15 yds that was well under the size of a dime. Kept that target for years.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2017, 07:20:16 pm »

Commander slide officer frame 1911 in 38 Super.  If I am going to a 'gun free zone'  that day, a S&W M&P 9C works as well.
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« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2017, 12:50:51 pm »

My goal this year is to get a CCL.   So this is good information for me.

As best I can tell, it is going to require me to have some wardrobe changes (and loosing a few lbs would help too!) to conceal a handgun of a good defense caliber and capacity.  I do like revolvers, and I have a S&W Model 60 that belongs to my ex-mother-in-law (long story, I've been baby sitting it for over a decade since she moved to  Massachusetts...I should go ahead and buy it from her!).  It is concealable in the front pocket of loose pants, but not very easily accessed.  This has lead me to considering sub-compact autos such as a Sig 938, Ruger LC9 (it think this is the model designation for the 9 mm) or Springfield XDs. 

At the very least, I'll get a NAA mini revolver and put it in my front pocket...better to have and not need, than to not have and need!

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2017, 02:30:51 pm »

I own a M60 and i think that you'll find carrying it in a front pocket is not going to be very comfortable. The gun will also be exposed to a lot of pocket lint, etc. You want that gun to WORK when you need it!

There is a plethora of good CCW holster design out there. You may have to experiment a little to find one that works for you. Holster suitability is a totally subjective thing. What works for one person will not necessarily work for another.

I'd fire a few of the small frame pocket pistols first before deciding which way to go. You aren't looking to be in a prolonged gunfight so magazine capacity need not be a determining factor.
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« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2017, 03:22:08 pm »

Good points PJ...I plan to visit the local range and rent some of the sub compacts, and lean on some friends to let me try some of theirs.  I fired a Springfield XDs in 45 acp several years ago when they came out.  I was fairly impressed with the size and power, but I had some failures to go to battery.  I was fairly new to the game, so it may have been me limp wristing the gun.  I'll revisit it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2017, 04:50:02 pm »

I love my revolvers, but for CC I always carry my S&W Bodyguard 380.  The little pocket 380's will always be flatter and they hold a couple more rounds than the typical 5 shot 38 special revolver.
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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2017, 08:12:48 pm »

The main thing is to get a good belt and holster.  I am fairly slim, can carry a full sized 1911 with just a button down shirt over a t-shirt as a cover garment.  The smaller pocket guns are OK, but not what I would choose.

Jason Winnie makes my carry holsters.  Good product at a decent price.  Bought a lot of holsters before I found what works best for me.
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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2017, 08:33:18 pm »

I've been carrying since 2004 when CCW was passed in Ohio. I've had various carry guns, right now it's the Ruger LC9s in 9mm!! Cool
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2017, 11:59:55 pm »

It depends, if I am dressed up for an appointment or social occasion, I usually carry a Colt Mustang .380 in a Sneaky Pete under my jacket.  For daily carry in jeans and vest, I carry either a holstered 2 inch, Model 60, .38 Spec+P or a 3 inch, Model 60, .357 Mag.
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« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2017, 12:36:37 am »

Colt Government .380 or an old battle-weary Star 43 in 9mm.

Once in awhile just for s---s and giggles I carry my "new" S&W 38SA second model in .38 S&W / .38 Short Colt / British .30-200.  It's safe with all five chambers loaded and is about equivalent to the .380... which is carried simultaneously.  It's just a touch of the past, but not a serious CCW piece.

Cold weather gun is a 1911 .45.
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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2017, 09:51:02 am »



PJ  I may have used the wrong term.  I called it the safety but it was the slide which has two notches on the left side that can be used to lock the slide open with the push up button or, the rear one for preventing the slide to rack.  It has been 48 years since I operated the Browning.  That was when I was issued the Colt Cobra.

Just as an aside, when they brought female MP's back into the trade in 1973, they issued them the S&W Chiefs Special 5 shot in .38 spl.  I could never understand why they would give a front line MP a 5 shot revolver.  It would make an acceptable CCW firearm.

I have no idea what firearms MP's carry today.
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2017, 12:18:57 pm »

You might be referring to the slide stop lever which can be manually operated or automatically when the gun is shot dry.

The current service pistol is still the Ingis Hi-Power along with some Sig P226s in the mix. An Afghanistan vet told me that "they were handing out pistols like candy over there", with next to no training. People who never set foot outside the wire looked cool having coffee at Timmy's Kandahar outlet.

I had a commercial model during my 12 years service so I aced qualification with the issue pistol. At the Arctic Warfare School in Churchill, Manitoba, I was gifted with a 5000 rd case of ball ammo and burned it up on the tundra getting to know the gun very well. Shot it for years later in IPSC.

There is talk now of a replacement for the Inglis Hi-Power, the Glock a strong contender. God help us! A plastic framed pistol designed to be fool proof in the hands of fools. What could go wrong? Remember what happened when police departments started issuing Glocks?

There is little to no chance of the BHPs being sold off as surplus, but that doesn't account for the number of them already in civilian hands. They can't ALL be stolen guns.

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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2017, 02:26:45 pm »

I have a Mk I Inglis with a T serial #. Bought it in "Prince".  Registered as a "Browning" so I assume a lunch box special!
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2017, 02:48:37 pm »

If it is a "lunch box special", there are a lot of them out there! They pop up on CGN regularly.
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« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2017, 01:09:29 pm »

Currently carrying a RIA compact 1911 in .45 ACP. But, thinking of getting something a bit lighter.

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« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2017, 01:27:52 pm »

My goal this year is to get a CCL.   So this is good information for me.

As best I can tell, it is going to require me to have some wardrobe changes (and loosing a few lbs would help too!)

I'm in the same boat-I typically just wear jeans and t-shirt, or polo type shirt for more "dress" occasions, shirt tails tucked in. If I stick with that, I'm pretty limited to an inside waistband tuckable holster. I can forsee that such a rig might get pretty uncomfortable in 90+ degree Missouri humidity. The LCP fits fine in a pocket, but with my jeans, eventually about everything I carry in my pockets starts leaving a "mark" on the material, it's obvious by the wear patterns what I carry in which pocket. Pocket knife right front, cell phone left front...

 Ruger LC9 (it think this is the model designation for the 9 mm) or Springfield XDs. 

Yup, LC9 is the 9mm. I have no experience with it, only it's little brother, the LCP. so far, I have had no failures with it, but I haven't shot a lot of rounds through it. It's not what you might call a "fun" gun!

At the very least, I'll get a NAA mini revolver and put it in my front pocket...better to have and not need, than to not have and need!


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« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2017, 10:48:49 pm »

I have put quite a few rounds through an LC9, both FMJ and various self defense HPs and it seems to be a "rugged reliable firearm" as advertised by Ruger. Only slightly larger than the LCP, but I the 9MM is considered a more effective self defense round. That being said there a .45 ACP autos that are only slightly larger that the LC9 with another increase in power. So the choice comes down to most concealable, less bad guy stopping power, and most bad guy stopping power, 500S&W, not as concealable! But as Troy said it's way better to be carrying anything than nuttin! 
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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2017, 02:10:01 am »

3" Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special for CC-

 

 But, we've also had Open Carry for a little over a year now. About the only time I OC is when I'm wearing the rig, working around the place and have to run into town for something. I usually leave it on because I'm too lazy to take it off before I go into the store.

 

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2017, 11:55:19 am »

I've fired a Charter Arms "Bull Dog" with the 240 gr .44 Spl. loads that are quite comfortable in my 4" M29.  It was memorable!
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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2017, 07:53:18 pm »

I am a retired California LEO, so I have CCW privileges. For Every Day Carry, I carry a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm.  With the Mag-guts +2 conversion in my mags, I have 10+1 of 9mm, less than 1/4" longer than the factory 8 rounder.  It is loaded with Speer Gold Dot 124 +P Gold Dot (NYPD load) for about 360 ft lbs ME, even from the short barrel. 

I retired my CZ 83 and Bersa 380 when I switched to the Shield.  It is so compact and light, I forget I am waring it in a leather IWB holster.  I also occasionally carry (when I go to LA or SF areas) my trusty Glock 19 (2nd gen) that I have carried since 1994, when I used it as an LEO.
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