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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2017, 05:52:23 pm »

Sorry, no. My (older) Navy Arms M1860 Henry military model is in .44-40, and besides, the danged thing balances too far forward for my ancient, achin' back! I'm shooting mostly 20" Rossi '92's nowadays.   Sad
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2017, 07:41:21 pm »

Fingers, I don't get to sit in on the meetings with Uberti, Pietta, etc.  But a lot of times those guys show up at the booth, and if I get a chance I'll mention it.

Thanks Abilene.  You could corral them up at Winter Range too.  Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend WR this year.

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« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2017, 11:31:23 pm »

I have been under the impression that those Uberti guys at Winter Range are not any of the bigwigs.  But couldn't hurt to talk to them.
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« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2017, 11:36:37 pm »


Oooooohhhhh
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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2017, 03:23:37 pm »

Hi gents,

Did this ever get discussed at the shot show? I'm guess we will not be seeing any 44 special Henry's anytime soon.

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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2017, 04:45:53 pm »

Uberti that is the factory could sent me a 44sp barrel to replace the poorly fitted 44WCF I bought last year. That wont happen so only buying second hand with proven work record now.
Had to many guns from the factory that need work. Your US distributors may be be doing a better job of sorting the crap guns before they leave to the customer. 
 
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« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2017, 07:50:24 pm »

Hi gents,

Did this ever get discussed at the shot show? I'm guess we will not be seeing any 44 special Henry's anytime soon.

DD

I did bring it up to Mike Harvey, but he still had no interest in ordering any.  Sorry!  But hey, keep calling and sending emails to Uberti.  Ya never know!
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« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2017, 07:53:02 pm »

Fingers, When Susan from Uberti (their translator) and one of the main guys (sorry, don't recall his name) were at the booth, I asked them about stainless percussion guns.  They said there was not enough demand.  She said that if someone were to order 100 pieces, then they could do it.
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« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2017, 01:26:48 am »

Fingers, When Susan from Uberti (their translator) and one of the main guys (sorry, don't recall his name) were at the booth, I asked them about stainless percussion guns.  They said there was not enough demand.  She said that if someone were to order 100 pieces, then they could do it.

Go for it Fingers!
You can order out one or two hundred and sell off the excess ...
you could start up a little store ...
you could use my barn...

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« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2017, 02:15:31 pm »

Absolutely Fingers!!

You could even gift me a pair and I would turn them into (gasp) Gorgeous Stainless Steel ....... SNUBBIES!!  How absolutely ..... KOOL!!

Just imagine the Style Points one would garner (Jennifer??) with a brace of STAINLESS SNUBBIES!!

I'm IN!!

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« Reply #35 on: February 10, 2017, 07:27:02 pm »

PS:  Snake Oil be US Perfesser!!

Ah Yes My Dear Coffin!

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2017, 02:46:57 pm »

In all actuality ....... were I to be completely Forthright and up front about the entire matter, were I to endeavor to preserve in my humble quest, I would that an Iron Frame Henry in .45 would come available at the same time as I had sufficient disposable folding green available to take said Iron Frame ..... Home.

Running in close second for my heart's desire, would be an additional Henry Transitional.  Also of .45 Colt persuasion.  Suitable for my ministrations as a ... donor ... as it twer.

Understand though.  Were a supply of Henry rifles in .44 Special to suddenly appear in the market place, I would be loath miss that most opportune occasion.

Thanks be ... however ... to B. Tyler, Oliver and Aldo for that which is in fact available for playground use.  Burma Shave!!

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« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2017, 12:44:58 am »

   Greetings!

   While you're at it, tell the Uberti Folks that they NEED to begin making copies of
the Webley No. 1 .577" Double Action Revolver in its Percussion Version. They'll sell
millions! Tell them that I'll buy at least two!

   P.S. ~ I'll take a Brass Framed Henry in .44spl, as well.

   P.P.S ~ Well put, Coffinmaker: "Thanks be...for playground use"!

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« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2017, 08:44:03 pm »

Im still looking for a Henry in 44 special.
Im still in for a new Henry in 44 special .

Im willing to put up my money for one .
Lets see how many we really can get to put up or shut up , And put the money up to get them made .
I will even say I will put up cash for two !

Come on lets get this done .
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« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2017, 09:40:50 pm »

Yes, so much so that I'd buy the parts to turn it into a military model and not complain.
Also would buy one in 38-40
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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2017, 06:41:24 am »

Yes, if you could arrange delivery to the UK !
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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2017, 10:34:44 am »

  Why couldn't a fella make a permanent chamber insert/adapter for a 44-40 Henry? In other words machine from a piece of steel a 44-40 cartridge that would match the chamber of said rifle, then "chamber" the insert to .44 Special. The bolt and or extractor might require a little modification.

  There are inserts such as this available that allow a .308 to be fired in a 30-06. Folks use them in their Garands.

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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2017, 12:11:06 pm »

  Why couldn't a fella make a permanent chamber insert/adapter for a 44-40 Henry? In other words machine from a piece of steel a 44-40 cartridge that would match the chamber of said rifle, then "chamber" the insert to .44 Special. The bolt and or extractor might require a little modification.

  There are inserts such as this available that allow a .308 to be fired in a 30-06. Folks use them in their Garands.

 CHT

If you look at the outer dimensions of the two cartridges you will see that is not possible.
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« Reply #43 on: November 26, 2017, 08:55:05 pm »

Since the 44 Special doesn't seem to be happening, I'll throw out what I think is even a better idea in the interest of authenticity.

The Henry was chambered for the 44 Henry Flat (case length of .875") and fired a 200g bullet at ~ 1125 fps. A Henry chambered for the 44 Russian (case length of .97") could load a 200g bullet and duplicate the original velocity with black powder or smokeless. And it would be much closer to the original than the current offering of 44 WCF or even the 44 Special discussed in this thread.

With all that said I'm curious if any gunsmiths out there think it would be possible to re-chamber a modern Henry to 44 Russian?

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« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2017, 09:59:46 pm »

SURE!!  Easy Peasy.  All you need is a gunsmith some familiar with Toggle Link rifles and has done a fair amount of barrel lining.  Bore the chamber out of a 44-40, install a sleeve insert and chamber it for 44 Russian.  You'll have a bit of free bore unless your Smith is creative with the sleeve, but I would doubt you'd notice any accuracy problems.

Install a cartridge stop in the carrier block with a clearance slot in the side of the Breach Block and your in business.

I have a rifle that is part way there.  I have an 1866 in 44 Special with a custom carrier that runs 44 Russian like wet grain thru a Goose.

Option number two.  Pull the barrel, Cut the tenon (threaded part) and the rest of the 44-40 chamber off the barrel then re-establish the tenon, chamber it, set the head space, slot the breach for the extractor and rim guide and your I business.  

Neither solution is particularly "cheap" but both are very doable.  I'd have done it already, but found C45S cases in a 45 Rifle to be Soooooo much easier.

PS:  Another thought ..... Try ordering a 44 Special Henry barrel from Uberti.  You may grow old waiting ..........

PSS:  Another another thought.  Contact the "Big Cheese" at Henry Repeating Arms and ask if he would be willing to make you a special order Henry in 44 Special??  Or even build you one in 44 Russian??  Well worth a try.  Worst is he could say no .........
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« Reply #45 on: November 27, 2017, 03:23:34 am »

Coffinmaker and the campfire: there is an alternative for you pards and pardettes to end up eventually with a Uberti Henry in .44 Special.
Order what Uberti calls a "semi finished" Henry barrel assembly in .44 cal. (.429 groove dia) without a chamber!
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« Reply #46 on: November 27, 2017, 10:18:38 am »

PSS:  Another another thought.  Contact the "Big Cheese" at Henry Repeating Arms and ask if he would be willing to make you a special order Henry in 44 Special??  Or even build you one in 44 Russian??  Well worth a try.  Worst is he could say no .........

I did and they said no.....

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« Reply #47 on: November 27, 2017, 03:00:47 pm »

How Rude.

LJW's suggestion makes real good sense.  Don't know what the wait would be though.  Worth a shot.  If doing the "semi finished," Cut barrel or chamber sleeve ....... be sure to special order a chambering reamer at the minimum spec.  My 44 Special 1866 chamber is large enough several of us could walk through it hand in hand.  There is so much Blow-By the chamber fouls out in 4 rounds of BP or Sub.  To actually run BP or Sub, I have resorted to annealed cases (Thanks OD#3) which work a treat.

Uberti did build and market some 44 Special Henry rifles.  A long time ago in a Galaxy Far Far away > > > > > > > > 
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« Reply #48 on: November 27, 2017, 03:05:22 pm »

I agree with Dave T.  If I could wave a magic wand and have any current caliber, I'd make it a 44 Russian.  If my magic wand was really powerful, I'd have it in 44 Henry centerfire and have Starline start making the brass, RCBS making the dies, I'd get a mold from Accurate Molds...  I'd better stop dreaming--I get carried away sometimes.  On the other hand, the "modern" 56-50 Spencer round was developed and the "modern" 44 Colt round came along too.

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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2017, 01:20:30 pm »


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I would buy this one if it was available.
And would feel a lot better if he pointed that rifle in another direction!  Grin
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