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« on: November 30, 2015, 11:57:10 am »


I haven't seen much written on these manufactured from 1969 through 1976.

One popped up at my FFL the other day and a pard of mine jumped , perhaps a bit prematurely, and bought it.
When he called to tell me after the fact about it ,thought he had or was talking about an Auto-Ordnance and he got killer price.
As he described it , I became puzzled....

I don't recall these Volunteer Enterprises pieces....and look them up on line , I'm Hmmmmm  Roll Eyes Undecided

So has anyone, owned , shot or otherwise have an opinion , Have they been approved ?

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2015, 01:12:09 pm »

I was called upon to get a couple of them working many years back for a dealer friend who'd taken them in, when he acquired a small collection.

They re-defined the term 'cheaply-made' for me, and I'm exceptionally familiar with actual 'bullet hoses' like the M3/M3A1 'Greasegun' , the various 'Stens, and the 'PPSH 'Burp Guns' - all tough, serviceable weapons with long service lives.

I found that the metal was easily battered by firing, and that there seemed to be no consistency with regard to reliability - regardless of ammunition used or springs - it shot 'well-enough', but sporadically, making it something to look at, and pass on - which was the intent.

I dressed off the peening and hardened some areas, and got them to function - touched up the crackle paint, and they went on their merry way.

A harsh assessment, I know - but an equivalency would be trying to make a Titan into a Match Pistol.

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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2015, 03:06:09 pm »

Thanks, Robert

Pretty much what I had read, sadly I was not with my rather impulsive friend.... Undecided

I was when I saved him from jumping on a Taurus Lighting , 8-9 months ago..... BTW it still there

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2015, 11:00:55 pm »

Damn those shiny objects, anyway...

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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 11:20:29 pm »

Yeah..... a little disappointed in my FFL though, we are good friends (the trio of us ) I would have though hoped he might have offered the cons  Undecided

Still wonder if the gun is approved ? 

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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2015, 10:00:40 am »

Yeah - back then, those were so cheap you wouldn't believe it.

Today...

As to the FFL - he 'knew' precisely what it was and wasn't - he had his mark in the sights...

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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2015, 12:32:58 pm »

The Volunteer Enterprises Commando's all pass the 10 Ft. test, they look like a period gun from 10 feet away;) 

They are being used with varying degrees of success around the country in AZSA matches as we speak (ER, Type)  I know one guy here locally who bought one in 9 MM for his wife.  He has sent it to the gunsmith twice that he'll admit to.
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2016, 04:11:25 pm »

I traded for one years ago, and it was a pretty good deal for me, anyway.

That said, yes, it is cheaply built, and ugly as a toad.

It was used, of course, and someone had done some work on it to make it function.  Which it does, I have never had a jam or any sort of malfunction.

However, they had opened up the chamber, and now the brass comes out lookin' sorta like a little barrel.  As in beer barrel.  The other thing, which I guess I shouldn't really call a problem, is that the ejected cases are thrown some 30 or more feet to the right.  So, if you are a reloader, as I am, not only is the brass getting worked really hard, but it's damn near impossible to find.

The sights are less than rudimentary, the trigger pull is awful.

But it does go bang every time you pull the trigger, plus you can sorta "bump-fire" it if you hold it just a little off your shoulder, obtaining a nearly full auto rate of fire.

Not one of my favorite guns, but I wouldn't sell it, neither!

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2016, 05:00:09 pm »

Since the Bear , revisited this thread....

I'll report on my friend's gun,...  he has yet to shoot it  Huh  there for,  so far its been flawless in at least operation  Roll Eyes
Someone said Toad ugly.... yep !

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