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« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2015, 02:44:15 pm »

Hmmmm, that's odd. Hundreds of miles of cattle trails went through Texas, many right past both cities and town. Nacona Boots owes it's existence to the cattle trails going right by the factory. Of course you'd need to actually know some history to know that. Maybe ya'll need a new book?
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« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2015, 03:25:48 pm »

Don't need different books but need to utilize the ones out there.

Complicated, protozoa, arthropods, immunity to ones from a certain area, well documented. 

   
http://homesteadontherange.com/texas-fever/
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« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2015, 03:46:31 pm »

This is a great thread. It starts off all sorts of questions like......which trail drive produced the best chow for the cowpokes, which provided the worst. I guess we'll never know but isn't it great to imagine. Everything in life produces good and bad, good bars, bad bars, good restaurants, bad restaurants, good chuck wagons and bad ones. Oh yeah and no wine jeez.
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« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2015, 04:19:32 pm »

All the articles that I previewed stated that Texas cattle were immune to Texas fever. It was when they traveled outside their home environment that trouble happened.  I am not messing with Texas, just describing a natural occurence.
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« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2015, 04:29:31 pm »

Well, if one of the resident experts says it, it must be true.
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« Reply #30 on: February 02, 2015, 12:25:02 am »

Plan is by next Christmas, I need some more pictures also.

I'll need at least four, maybe more.
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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2015, 10:53:27 am »

All the articles that I previewed stated that Texas cattle were immune to Texas fever. It was when they traveled outside their home environment that trouble happened.  I am not messing with Texas, just describing a natural occurence.


Thanks Pard, I should have made it more simpler.    Wink


I could dig out a lot more, but it's a waste of time when people are very capable of it on there own.  Most don't know some of the drives went further north to the UP and not the KP.    I live about 1/2 mile from where one branch of that trail went up the drainage's to Schuyler Nebraska.   Yep lasted a year and a half, minor little battles over people settling along the trail and yet another one moved further west.   

If you read "We Pointed them North" by Teddy "Blue" Abbot who grew up near Lincoln it has a bit on this trail.   Also from the description of the stampede on the Blue River he describes the cowboy how died is most likely buried somewhere on or near the campus of Doane College inn Crete Nebraska and I can also take you and show you where the homestead was he grew up on,  a convent is there now.

So now, you are welcome to be sarcastic some more and tell us about the history of where we grew up and the area the comments were directed about.
 
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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2015, 10:55:19 am »

I'll need at least four, maybe more.

Looks to be gonna be close to 500 pages, getting recipes done now, although that is a minor part of the book, just my favorite ones I do in camp, but writing them down is much harder than just making them, I'm having to do math on this part.   Grin
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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2015, 12:30:10 pm »

We can thank Charles Goodnight for ad venting the Chuck Wagon on his cattle drives on his Goodnight Trail.
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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2015, 01:09:21 pm »

TL,

This is very true.
If my memory serves me well, Charles Goodnight bought surplus Civil War period Hospital Ambulance wagons, and converted the wagon box to the "chuck wagon box" style as we think of them today.
These were rather unstable and tended to be top heavy, but did good service in the early years.
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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2015, 01:18:23 pm »

I am one who thinks he made it famous, there is evidence they existed before, his though was well refined.
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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2015, 06:24:38 pm »

Has anyone a good photo of a chuck wagon or a diagram to show cooking, storage, wet and dry areas? I've seen some from Civil War and Crimean War photos and line drawing but they were huge catering for divisions. On ships of that era the cooking was done on brick ovens and steel plates. These were doused in heavy weather and before battle for fire prevention.
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« Reply #37 on: February 02, 2015, 07:18:44 pm »

I may when I get home in my files, if not I think I can find some.
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2015, 09:30:04 am »

Much better, higher resolution than I can post.    Ignore the ones on the Chuck Wagon Cafe.   Wink

Type Chuck Wagon into the link, it won't let me direct like, not uncommon with such sites.


http://digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/photographs/
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« Reply #39 on: February 03, 2015, 10:45:18 am »

search "cowboys & chuck wagon" and you will get some more good pictures.
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« Reply #40 on: February 04, 2015, 09:24:55 pm »

Looks to be gonna be close to 500 pages, getting recipes done now, although that is a minor part of the book, just my favorite ones I do in camp, but writing them down is much harder than just making them, I'm having to do math on this part.   Grin

Do you have any other cook books out there a guy could access or acquire?

I think I'm gonna learn to do this, . . . or I'm gonna eat a lot of food that went from cast iron to skillet in the house then to the table.

Prefer cast iron to dinner ware.

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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2015, 05:06:45 am »

Great photos. There is a lot going on around the Chuck Wagon.......lots of gear and equipment. It kinda begs the question of status on the cattle drive. It seems from our perspective now, that the Cook had responsibility for so much.....buying food, storing food, setting up camp, creating shelter, cooking food that keeps guys happy with variation, clearing away and do it all again tomorrow. And yet literature and movie legacy paints the picture of the cook as somehow Lesser Than. Often depicted as a comic character, or cantankerous , definitely not a key figure, who would command respect, which he must have been. The cowboy on the other hand is depicted as independent and gallant. Movies, which despite thier historical accuracy, do depict human characters and situations, will show Cowboys quitting the Drive and leaving. What would have happened if the Cookie had saddled up and skedaddled? Or threatened to. Can you see all those cowpokes faces.
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« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2015, 09:43:01 am »

Do you have any other cook books out there a guy could access or acquire?

I think I'm gonna learn to do this, . . . or I'm gonna eat a lot of food that went from cast iron to skillet in the house then to the table.

Prefer cast iron to dinner ware.

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Enough here in receipts (old name for recipes) to keep you busy the rest of your life as far as historical cooking.  Most chuck wagon was just plain fair that was based on a quick bread of some sort, rice/beans and meat.   

 http://digital.lib.msu.edu/projects/cookbooks/html/browse_date.html
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« Reply #43 on: February 05, 2015, 10:32:51 am »

When you look through those books you will figure out real quick that in the second half of the 19th century I'd say about 90% of what we eat today that is made at home is period food.  However you must take into account the more seasonal aspect of it, although transportation aka rail roads were tieing the country together, some supplies or ideas were more regional than today.

I am covering far more than chuckwagon/cowboy cooking and unless you are willing to dig deep and do 10-20 years research there is no one good book, that is what I am working on because if there was one I'd of bought a copy of it and wrote fiction if I still had a desire to write a book. Wink

I want to be done by fall, already decided it would not be what I want this spring, I do have the most part of the referance done and now need to get my camp recipes done so someone else can use them since anyone who has been in my camps has never seen me use measuring cups, or recipes that are printed out, maybe a few notes for a new dish, but not over 3-4 times in almost 30 years of camp cooking.

There are many little pamphlets or small books out there that claim to be historic "Oregon Trail" or "Chuckwagon" cook books, but if you have one, scan a few pages and post them and I'll show you the flaws.     

I've used this one the most and I just have a digital copy of the cover, never even seen a copy.


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« Reply #44 on: February 05, 2015, 12:00:46 pm »

Donner Party Cookbook;

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« Reply #45 on: February 05, 2015, 12:14:23 pm »

Yeah scrummy.
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« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2015, 12:45:22 pm »

If one reads the whole description it's a history book with what may or may not be proper 19th century recipes.   


http://www.amazon.com/Donner-Party-Cookbook-Survival-Hastings/dp/0972221735
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2015, 07:51:06 pm »

Found this photograph of a cooks wagon. The chuck box is a bit bigger than most that I have had a chance to look at .  If this has been posted before ,sorry for the re-run. ,,,,,DT


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« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2015, 11:16:47 am »

Remembered that I had an old print of a cook wagon scene. Dug it out and found it had water damage . Here is a pic. of it ashamed to say it is signed by the artist as # 37 of 100. Will try to get it repaired. ,,,,,DT


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« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2015, 01:46:07 pm »

He's got almost as many dutch ovens as Delmonico!
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