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« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2014, 01:51:39 am »

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I don't buy that for one minute because I shoot both in SAA's

Sure you do.  The problem was solved more than a 100 years ago.

Try a little research.  It wasn't a 40/10mm recoil issue.  It was a reliability issue.

Same issue to be had with 32wcf and 38wcf HV ammo when used in a SAA.  Primers back out or just flow enough to jam the guns.
Read some of the early documented issues the Texas Rangers had with the first SAAs in 44-40 and get back to us.
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« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2014, 09:33:48 am »

Sure you do.  The problem was solved more than a 100 years ago.

Try a little research.  It wasn't a 40/10mm recoil issue.  It was a reliability issue.

Same issue to be had with 32wcf and 38wcf HV ammo when used in a SAA.  Primers back out or just flow enough to jam the guns.
Read some of the early documented issues the Texas Rangers had with the first SAAs in 44-40 and get back to us.


Interesting, where can those early documented issues be read about? I'm not talking about the same couple guys posting about case setback or primers locking up the SAA on several different forums.

I had heard of case setback locking up 38-40 before but not anything about a 44-40.

Was it really a primer problem or a case setback problem and if the problem was solved why would this have still been an issue in 1910 when UMC was offering the 28 grain load?
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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2014, 09:50:09 am »

No problem at all with full or reduced b.p. loads in a .44-40 nor .45 Colt revolvers.  Grin

Historically speaking, there was also a reduced loading .44 Henry round, the W&C which was loaded with 23 grs. of b.p..
"Adapted to Henry & Winchester Model 1866 Rifles and Colt's revolvers."

There were actually 3 cartridges that UMC offered the reduced 28 gr. load for:
.38-40 (38-28-180)
.44-40 (44-28-200)
.45 Colt (45-28-250)  

In addition, they also offered the .45 Colt in a 35 gr. loading in addition to the standard 40 gr. cartridge.

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« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2014, 08:10:24 pm »

I would wager good money that the oft repeated tale of the 'vapor locked' 44-40 SAA was due to faulty ammo. In McDowell's book he mentions the Navy having beaucoup problems with their '51 Navy conversions which was finally determined to be faulty ammo that had too soft copper cases.
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« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2017, 03:53:43 am »

damn photoshop for taking away lots of great images
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