Author Topic: Commercial BP ammo. (Read 9901 times)

MJN77 · « **on:** July 28, 2014, 09:35:15 PM »

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question, but here it goes. When did the commercial manufacture of BP ammunition stop in the U.S.? I have read that it stopped in the 30s and I have read that it stopped in the 50s. So which is it?

River City John · « **Reply #1 on:** July 29, 2014, 06:54:53 PM »

I know what you're asking, but technically it's still being manufactured for our niche market.

RCJ

GunClick Rick · « **Reply #2 on:** August 06, 2014, 01:17:18 PM »

Where can ya get it?

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River City John · « **Reply #3 on:** August 06, 2014, 06:14:17 PM »

http://www.gadcustomcartridges.com
www.BlackDawgeCartridge.com

Ten-X used to have black powder substitute ammo available.
Two sources. Google "black powder ammunition manufacturers".

RCJ

GunClick Rick · « **Reply #4 on:** August 06, 2014, 09:56:32 PM »

Thanks..Want to make sure i get the right stuff for an Iver Johnson 38..

Pay Dirt Norvelle · « **Reply #5 on:** August 06, 2014, 10:41:23 PM »

I am glad I found this thread as I want to try some BP in my cartridge guns. I have shot a lot of C&B BP, but no cartridge guns.

MJN77 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 07, 2014, 06:07:10 AM »

Gad cartridges has a very poor reputation for service and quality. Just search the forum. Black Dawg does not make cartridges any more, and hasn't since early last year when their building exploded and injured their son. This is on the website..

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June 6, 2013. On May 14 our Black Dawge Cartridge building was partially destroyed, we lost some of the equipment needed to make cartridges, we lost much of our Black Dawge inventory, and our skilled operator was badly injured. While Jerred continues to recover, we don't, for the moment, foresee resuming operations for Black Dawge Cartridge

Ten-X would be the only source, and they are expensive.
I see no one has an answer to the original question.

Books OToole · « **Reply #7 on:** August 07, 2014, 11:43:34 AM »

Quote from: GunClick Rick on August 06, 2014, 09:56:32 PM

Thanks..Want to make sure i get the right stuff for an Iver Johnson 38..

Iver Johnson's manufactured after 1909 are safe (were warrantied) for smokeless powder.

If the owl is looking at you instead of down the barrel, it is post 1909.

Books

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · « **Reply #8 on:** August 07, 2014, 01:32:14 PM »

Quote from: Pay Dirt Norvelle on August 06, 2014, 10:41:23 PM

I am glad I found this thread as I want to try some BP in my cartridge guns. I have shot a lot of C&B BP, but no cartridge guns.

If you are already reloading, it is very simple to just load up some rounds with BP. 2 or 3Fg, just enough that a seated bullet (Lube with Bore Butter, which you might already have & UR GTO.) will compress it just a bit. If you live near BP shooters, or meet them at the range, you might be able to set up a friendly exchange of enough stuff to get started.

GunClick Rick · « **Reply #9 on:** August 07, 2014, 08:52:47 PM »

It's a black powder only.No clubs here that i know of, if there is it would be a small one,i will go to the range and find out..

Major 2 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 08, 2014, 05:59:19 AM »

I would only offer, based on personal experience , steer your course clear of GAD , a search will bolster the opinion, that's all I have to say about that.

Book's is the resident authority on the pocket top breaks, I'd follow his lead....

So this is more of question ... it is my understanding, that available 38 S&W the factory ammo , is lightly loaded smokeless
to BP pressures.... $:-\$

St8LineLeatherSmith · « **Reply #11 on:** August 08, 2014, 10:38:03 AM »

Gunclick rick Major 2 is correct most of the .38 S&W cartridges are safe for the second model with a 2 post latch but could be a bit stout for a first mode.l just dont run factory hot loads in the second model
you can get PMC at sportsmans guide for 20 bucksfor a box of 50
or you can get BP cartridges at buffalo arms for 37 bucks a box plus shipping which is ridiculous.
you can buy the dies and make your own for pennies.
I have not got around to getting dies yet.

Sir Charles deMouton-Black · « **Reply #12 on:** August 08, 2014, 10:46:05 AM »

I load .38 S&W using a .38 Spl shell holder and 9mm Luger dies adjusted WAAYY up. Size the case mouth enough to hold a bullet and the body just enough to fit the chambers.

St8LineLeatherSmith · « **Reply #13 on:** August 08, 2014, 11:05:42 AM »

might as well get dies for the .38 S&W cause I dont have dies for either
I only run factory ammo through my nines.

Books OToole · « **Reply #14 on:** August 08, 2014, 03:19:23 PM »

I also use 9mm dies to load my .38 S&Ws. My favorite load is a 147 grain lead 9mm bullet over a .7 cc dipper of 3f APP. Recently I have not been able to find any 3f APP so I have been loading Pyrodex P. (It is pretty dirty compared to the APP.)

Books

Blair · « **Reply #15 on:** August 08, 2014, 03:46:57 PM »

Books,

I too use 9 mm dies for reloading 38 S&W shorts. (why? because I had them and they worked fine)
I prefer a 95 gr bullet in my old revolvers with 9 grs. (by wieght0 of fffg Goex.
This load works very well at "pocket pistol" ranges within SASS. And saves a lot of wear and tear on the function of the revolver.
I buy any and all old brass I come onto. I also shoot up some of the newer ammo in a revolver chambered for this cartridge that is safe to that firearm. (no old guns will come to harm)
Just my opinion,
My best,
Blair

Books OToole · « **Reply #16 on:** August 08, 2014, 04:41:33 PM »

I went with the heavier bullet to closer replicate the original load. Fixed sight pistols were designed to shoot a specific weight bullet and powder charge. The 147s and APP shoot right where I point them.

The 90s would (theoretically) be easier on the antiques.

At CAS ranges my DA .44 shot way high with the historically appropriate 240 gain bullet. It shoots much better with 200s.

As usual, we have kinda high-jacked the thread.

Books

Abilene · « **Reply #17 on:** August 08, 2014, 05:22:37 PM »

I don't know the answer to MJN77's original question, but the Wikipedia entry for the .44 Rimfire or .44 Henry (which was never a smokeless round) states: "The cartridge was still commercially made into the 1930s."

A quick look at the Wiki pages for 45 Colt and 44 WCF give mention of smokeless loadings beginning but do not state when BP manufactured loads ceased.

I do not own "Cartridges of the World" but I wonder if that would have the answer?

Major 2 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 08, 2014, 07:33:58 PM »

Quote from: St8LineLeatherSmith on August 08, 2014, 11:05:42 AM

might as well get dies for the .38 S&W cause I dont have dies for either
I only run factory ammo through my nines.

" $:-\$ stiil highjacking " that what I did .... no 9mm to load anyway ....

GunClick Rick · « **Reply #19 on:** August 09, 2014, 09:47:21 PM »

Yea i have no loading supplies,guess i will try Buff Arms. I see thay have them in stock now..I will also try other feller,i'm not a really big ballistics guy and why i ask so many questions,don't want to screw myself or the gun up as far as older guns.You guys know anything about a Remington 30-06 Woodsmaster 742 SPC with Weaver scope,i inherited one today..Very clean rifle just dusty semi auto~My mothers husband passed and we were cleaning and it was under moms bed,she said put it in your truck and take it home.

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