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« Reply #125 on: September 06, 2017, 04:06:38 pm »

You're using a 430 grain bullet?!?!?!?
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« Reply #126 on: September 06, 2017, 05:19:08 pm »

yes sir 430gr.....works fine with the 1-48" twist. plus this ideal mold has the large black powder grease grooves. no leading, lube star on muzzle.
it is not the the express load of the original, but Uberti chose the rifling twist, and the little 300/350 grain pellets never seemed to work for me at 100 yds. a little less powder in case but, really makes no difference in performance.......sounds good going off too!
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« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2017, 03:24:42 pm »

Quickie update:

So I took the Presidio Carbine out to the range for fun this weekend. Shot about 10 rounds of the Jamieson 50-95 win commercial loading and it was surprisingly mild. I was hitting the paper a little high, around 6 inches ( maybe even a bit higher) or so at 50 yards. I may have posted previously, that it seems the load they are using is 18-18.2 grains of "Trail Boss" behind a 350 grain lead bullet. I have very limited experience with this powder and was wondering what others here on the board think about the load they used. It seems that the recommended loading for a 45-70 Gov't is about max of 16-16.5 grains. That is recommended for the weak action "Trapdoor" models.

Also, I loaded a few of my own with a 365 grain lead bullet propelled by 41 grain of IMR 4198 . I found this loading has been used to great effect here on the "presidio" thread and decided to reduce the loading used by another cowpoke here just to be a bit conservative. The results were certainly a more "stout" load and recoil. But it shot a little bit lower at 50 yards and certainly closer to the point of aim. What was also interesting is that when I aimed at a piece of a clay "bird" at 100 yards I hit it dead on! Perfect!!! so this load is certainly worth giving some further investigation on. I may even try a heavier bullet.

I am going to pour through these boards in this regard to loading this caliber and then return to Mike Venturino's book on loading for Lever Action Rifles. If I understood how to post photos I'd post my targets for show and tell. But so far I haven't figured out how to post photos just yet. Thanks to all for the postings and help in this forum!
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« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2017, 05:27:31 pm »

Quickie update:

So I took the Presidio Carbine out to the range for fun this weekend. Shot about 10 rounds of the Jamieson 50-95 win commercial loading and it was surprisingly mild. I was hitting the paper a little high, around 6 inches ( maybe even a bit higher) or so at 50 yards. I may have posted previously, that it seems the load they are using is 18-18.2 grains of "Trail Boss" behind a 350 grain lead bullet. I have very limited experience with this powder and was wondering what others here on the board think about the load they used. It seems that the recommended loading for a 45-70 Gov't is about max of 16-16.5 grains. That is recommended for the weak action "Trapdoor" models.

Also, I loaded a few of my own with a 365 grain lead bullet propelled by 41 grain of IMR 4198 . I found this loading has been used to great effect here on the "presidio" thread and decided to reduce the loading used by another cowpoke here just to be a bit conservative. The results were certainly a more "stout" load and recoil. But it shot a little bit lower at 50 yards and certainly closer to the point of aim. What was also interesting is that when I aimed at a piece of a clay "bird" at 100 yards I hit it dead on! Perfect!!! so this load is certainly worth giving some further investigation on. I may even try a heavier bullet.

I am going to pour through these boards in this regard to loading this caliber and then return to Mike Venturino's book on loading for Lever Action Rifles. If I understood how to post photos I'd post my targets for show and tell. But so far I haven't figured out how to post photos just yet. Thanks to all for the postings and help in this forum!

posting pics is easy - when you are here writing - just go out the left lower corner of the text box and theres a button sez Additional options - hit that - up comes a little bitty menu with Attach : Browse - hit the browse box takes you into your computer to find whatever pic you wanna post - just click it an its done - itll show down below when its right - - at the other end take pic with phone and email to yrself from the phone - that puts it on the puter ........ the kids or grankids would have a way smarter way that tha to do it all but it works
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« Reply #129 on: December 07, 2017, 11:13:00 am »

Have just completed loading 50/95 cal. Jamison brass for the 9th. time , without any brass failure . Bp. was used in all loadings . How many times are you 50/95 shooters getting out of your brass ?,,,,,DT
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« Reply #130 on: December 07, 2017, 01:40:50 pm »

yes, i am at 9-10-11 reloads myself with the jamison brass. have not had a split yet. i basically just neck size mine by leaving the die 1 turn short of touching the shell holder. the uberti chamber neck is in a different place than the rcbs die. my loads now are doing real well at 200yds, so am very pleased. 1f powder and .060 fiber wad, std. primer. will eventually try the 1 1/2f next.
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« Reply #131 on: December 07, 2017, 04:29:40 pm »

Same here KW1876 , all I do is neck size enough to get a good bullet grip leaving the shoulder out of the sizing , then crimp after bullet seating . Works for me and does not overwork the brass . ,,,DT 
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« Reply #132 on: December 18, 2017, 04:22:21 pm »

Hodgdon's Trail Boss works reasonably well in all normal rifle ctgs. and will not produce pressures, it seems, over about 28,000psi - and pressures that high seems only in the large case, small bore rounds like the .300 magnums shooting 180gr. jacketed bullets.

A full case of it (6" drop tube) in my wildcat .375 - 80gr. capacity case, with a 310gr. cast bullet, produced only 1,380fps and no pressure to speak of - go-pow - load, like a very soft cast bullet load.

I've used 15gr. TB in a .45/60 (.45 1.9") chambered Sharps with 385gr. cast with no problems and 1 1/2" to 2" accuracy at 100 meters off the bags. It was a 100% loading to the bottom of the bullet. I was able to seat the bullet out to about the same
OAL as a normal. .45/70 due to the 3/8" leade (throat) I put in my chamber.

In the .50/95 Uberti for a top load, quite safe in the 76's - likely new or old, 100% to the base of a seated bullet is the max. load. It will be a go-pow load, with very low pressure, likely under or at 20,000psi and might produce about 1,150fps - with about any bullet weight.

I just uploaded and printed off a chart of "Modern Uberti 1876 ONLY, 28" barrel" data:

Pressures calculated using Quick-Load, running from 20,000psi starting loads to 26,000psi for the maximum loads.

http://1587510142.rsc.cdn77.org/RRoom/researchsheets/50-95,%20Uberti%201876.pdf

This data is for cast 339gr. as well as 300gr. and 450gr. jacketed ammo, using Bertram brass and Federal 215 magnum primers.

I am going to start using 5744 as I was able to find 3 pounds of it and will start at 38.0gr. and work from there, with my 368gr. Lyman mound.
I expect 1,600fps for the starting load and perhaps 1,700fps for a working max.
Last summer, I was able to get into the dirt underneath our 1,000meter buffalo target with my last 3 rounds. I use a Smith sight.
This is the sight, available from Smith in Oregon or from Brownells - same price, $169.00.  The detents between the 100yard marks make for repeatable sight settings for long range shooting. I was using 52.0gr. N44 AmmoMart powder, with the 368gr. Lyman bullet, for 1,650fps with a thin beer-box card wad between powder and bullet, Fed 210 primers. My rifle likes this load and those last 3 rounds at the 1000metre buffalo appeared to drop into about a 3 to 4 foot group. Next summer, I'll ring that fellow. 4' x 8' buffalo He has no legs below the knees and is mounted, hanging on chains, so he rings with a bullet hit.  Brother Taylor got on him with his .50/90 Sharps, 600gr. Buffalo Arms bullet and 91gr. Swiss 1 1/2.
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« Reply #133 on: April 24, 2018, 11:27:32 am »

Loading for the 24" 1876 Winchester with original tools . The loads feed and shoot very well  in the little short rifle . Bullet cast with WW dropped @ .513  @ 331 gr. SPG lube  , 86 gr. Swiss FFg  , Winchester LR primer , Jamison case .  That oughta kill a boar !,,,DT


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« Reply #134 on: April 24, 2018, 05:14:30 pm »

That oughta kill a boar !,,,DT

Only one way to find out! Post pic's of boar and rifle together!
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« Reply #135 on: April 24, 2018, 09:08:16 pm »

King do you really want me to put my 76 on one of them stinky old boars ? ,,,,DT
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« Reply #136 on: April 24, 2018, 10:10:51 pm »

Yes! Yes I do!  Grin
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« Reply #137 on: April 25, 2018, 01:38:14 pm »

Well if you put it that way , Ok then ,,,,,DT
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« Reply #138 on: April 26, 2018, 04:14:46 pm »

I don't think we'll have to wait long for a photo Grin
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« Reply #139 on: May 01, 2018, 04:16:21 am »

Well?Huh We're waiting!!!  Wink
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« Reply #140 on: May 01, 2018, 06:52:42 am »

The pressure ! The pressure !!!!! ,,,,DT
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« Reply #141 on: June 20, 2018, 01:20:33 am »

You're using a 430 grain bullet?!?!?!?

Couple years ago (has it been that long?) when I bought my 76 in .50/95, I first tried a shortened Lyman 515141 mould that I had cobbled up for my 42" twist .50/70 Sharps Carbine.(original 1859 barrel - lined and chambered by Sharps)

"The shortened #515141's, weighing from a low of 410gr. to a maximum of 420gr. I lubed them by hand, with a mix. of 60% (good) beeswax, 40" Vaseline which had worked for me, for 20years or more, smokeless or black powder.  I made 2 deliberate, 5 shot groups, off the bags (resting the back of my left hand on the bench-rest's bag) ran a horizontal group 3 1/2" wide C to C and only 1 5/8" high, then the nasty, gusting cross wind shifted, to directly behind us & gusting making a group 2.9" C to C and only 2.3" wide."

This was the only time I have deliberately shot paper with this rifle.  I have since mounted the Smith Enterprises ladder sight I pictured on a previous page.

With that sight & the 44N powder load f 52gr. + 368gr. Lyman 515139 (1,650fps), I got into the dirt underneath our 1,000 meter buffalo.
This was after hitting the 200 and 300 meter 16" x 14" AR500 plates. I ran out of ammo and promised myself I'd hit that buffalo this summer.  I have some ammo loaded (same load) and a rough idea where to set the slide and yes - it is near the top. Have to be careful or the heal of the butt really digs into the collar bone.
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