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« on: March 15, 2014, 04:20:00 pm »


A complete ban on all ivory products in the United States is being railroaded through by the US Fish & Wildlife Service that would render all items containing ivory illegal to purchase or sell in the U.S. This would include pistol grips, knives, cue balls, piano keys, jewelry, furniture with ivory inlays, artwork, anything and everything containing ivory. This proposed ban is being rushed through with little public knowledge or input.

Details here: http://www.knifeworld.com/ivoryban.html
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2014, 06:25:13 pm »

Nothing like making a substance so rare that the price rockets, then the poaching will really take off.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2014, 06:47:30 pm »

Nothing like making a substance so rare that the price rockets, then the poaching will really take off.


So true. Legal ivory sells in the US for about $250 per pound. It brings as much as $1500 lb in China. There is little incentive to smuggle it here when they can get many times the price elsewhere.

I am totally in agreement with not killing elephants and our current ban on importing elephant ivory. This new proposal makes all ivory illegal regardless if it was imported pre-1989 when it was legal.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2014, 09:59:51 pm »

Tell them to bring thier weapons Sad You can't believe what else is going on with the EDD,OSHA,and other government entities,they are after everything.My cousin owns an upholstry shop has three men workin with him,they have to be emplyed as subcontractors becuase the workers comp ins.is 20,000.00 a year so the EDD OSHA and a couple other barge in on his buisness he shows them his tax papers and how they get paid,they look around and hand him a fine of 94,000.00 which he cannot pay,goes to court,well the footworkers and the judge are all the same thing,you lose,no fight,a marshall shows up later to arrest him cuase he can't pay the fine,he gets a month to come up with it,he won't be able too,the fine will go down some after a fight,he;s been in buisness for at least 25 years and all of a sudden KAPOW!! Tulare County,Ca.they hit a few more buissneses across from him Jims Glass it's just jim and his wife,he tells them i am the owner me Jim,they say no,your wife is listed as the owner,you sir are an employee and must have INS!!!! Sorry about gettin on the soap box but this is real,my cousin will have to close up,put three men out of work and has no retirement or anything..I heard a catholic priest say they had a health program for kids,non profit,but to get funding they had to allow gay couples to adopt kids....Cold War USA!!!!

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2014, 10:59:07 pm »

I think if ANYONE is willing to take on the commitment of opening their hearts, and pocketbook, to provide the stability and security of a homelife by adopting children, then more power to them.

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 11:24:04 pm »

Yea they been trying to feed the children ever since i started watchin tv in the 50s,they ain't got that done either,i ain't puttin no kid in the devils hands! Sorry to disagree Smiley Undecided
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2014, 06:07:38 am »

Funny how a thread on Ivory got sidetracked by a personal hate filled rant.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2014, 07:36:21 am »

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Funny how a thread on Ivory got sidetracked by a personal hate filled rant.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2014, 09:02:09 am »

Just fact.
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2014, 12:26:22 pm »

The Elephant is endangered - Ban Ivory to save the Elephant - Shoot Poachers - Pass laws to ban the sale and or ownership of ivory even on an old piano.

Yep makes total sense to a politician and after passing these wonderful, well thought out laws, book an Elephant hunting trip in South Africa.

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2014, 12:37:52 pm »

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2014, 01:06:11 pm »

I agree with a ban on anything with New Ivory.
However it means little if all Nations don't agree with it.

Placing a ban on Old Ivory (not meaning Prehistoric Ivory) will not bring back or save any animals that are known to carry Ivory. Those animals are already gone! An placing a ban on this type of Ivory is... well, ludicrous, silly, or just plain stupid on the part of the law makers!

Question, How will LEO personal tell the difference between some of the very well made "fake" Ivory? On Knives or Firearms?
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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2014, 06:33:40 pm »

Under the proposal, you must be able to document that your ivory is at least 100 years old. Of course since documentation was never needed, it doesn't exist. All other ivory, even if purchased or imported legally prior to 1989, becomes illegal.
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2014, 06:36:17 pm »

I'm assuming that ivory already owned and not intended for sale, will be grandfathered prior to the bill?

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2014, 06:41:22 pm »

It wouldn't be illegal to own it but you couldn't sell it so it becomes worthless.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 05:43:41 pm »

Good ole i'll give it to you,barter,you give me something back (cash) later. Grin

beside i ain't got any~ Roll Eyes

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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2014, 06:17:01 pm »

And if it, the material is white like, sort of or kind of like ivory? but not ivory.
What happens then?
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2014, 06:44:16 pm »

And if it, the material is white like, sort of or kind of like ivory? but not ivory.
What happens then?
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2014, 07:15:12 pm »

From my experience as a knifemaker, they will probably confiscate anything that looks like ivory.  I know of cases where legal materials like mammoth ivory were taken even though it shows how to differentiate between elephant ivory and mammoth ivory on the US Fish and Games own website.
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« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2014, 08:35:23 pm »

I had a ranger ask me about a bear claw i had hanging from my rear view mirror once,i said,nice ain't it,if you want one you'll have to get your own,that one's mine,we both went our on way. Smiley

Sent the website to my congressmans facebook page  Smiley
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2014, 10:55:54 am »

It's kinda rough going from being a Citizen to being a Subject.
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2014, 03:52:03 pm »

Shotgun,

Perhaps even more so when laws are enacted that can't be enforced? Just a thought?
Especially when "we" keep elect officials into office that pass such unenforceable laws.
This was my reason for my original posting on this subject.
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2014, 06:52:15 am »

I got under the wire with a cheaply bought genuine ivory mahjongg set. Most are fake, these are real ivory. A company in NY was selling these a couple years ago on ebay. It has increased in value. Now will be worth a bit less  Cry
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2014, 08:59:35 am »

Do they just want the stuff that guns and knives are connected too? Sad
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2014, 09:59:29 am »

No, the proposed ban would cover everything with ivory, jewelry, chess sets, furniture inlays, artworks, musical instruments (piano keys), pool cues and cue balls.
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